From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #190 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, 13 August 1995 Volume 02 : Number 190 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damon Harper Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 22:10 PDT Subject: an additional musing i mean.. heh, think about it... even in the positive song, "head over feet", she's blaming the other person! *laughing* i love this album in all its morose psychoticness. :) damon _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, nomad@acca.nmsu.edu \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." Vancouver, BC, CANADA |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://rever.nmsu.edu/~nomad/paukarut.htm "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ From: Nyteshde@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 01:29:30 -0400 Subject: Re: musings on jagged little pill In a message dated 95-08-12 00:56:53 EDT, Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Damon Harper) writes: >you know, this album (alanis morissette's) is, with a few exceptions, >tremendously angry and/or accusing. Do you think so? I really didn't think it was very angry, in most cases. I mean, there are moments of absolute scathing anger and accusation, most notably in "You Oughta Know" and "Perfect", but I'd say most, she just kinda said it like it was. Which is sometimes bad ("Right Through You", for example), sometimes good ("Head Over Feet") and mostly just kinda there ("You Learn"). >but when i heard the "hidden track" at the end, i could quite easily predict >how the song would end. this sort of bugs me, and i'm >not sure what i think of it. i would have liked the song to end positively, >for a change, and was disappointed when it didn't and my first reaction was >confirmed, but, on the other hand, if it *had* ended positively, it really >wouldn't have rung true, what with the rest of the album. Hmm... I don't think I'd have liked for it to end positively. Mainly because it wouldn't have rung true, period. I mean, what are the chances? ;) >actually i very much like the lyrics overall, but the pessimism can get a bit >oppressive after a while. This from someone who listens to ectophillic music! Hehehe. Seriously, ectophillic music tends to be rather depressing anyway, I'd noticed. Sarah McLachlan, for example, isn't exactly known for "If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands!" >that said, i think this is one of the better albums i have heard in a long >time. alanis morissette's wonderfully psychotic, jarring voice combines with >the also wonderfully psychotic and nerve-jangling instrumentation to >produce.. well, a wonderfully psychotic whole. that's my word for this >album :) "Wonderfully psychotic". Good assessment of Jagged Little Pill. ;) The music, the style, the voice, the lyrics, are all pretty wonderfully psychotic. Like, in Ironic, where she does this beautiful, smooth, calm verse, and then suddenly everything explodes for the chorus... >most of this album gets right into my >brain and quite frankly mucks it up a bit, leaving me feeling pretty >twisted. I think that's the point. She's good at that. ;) >what is alanis morissette's history? i heard from a friend that she was >apparently some kind of teen pop singer type thingy until this album. this >may have already been discussed here, but if so i missed it, so bear with >me... Yeah, when Alanis was 16 and 17, she did some Canadian released Debbie Gibson type stuff. But most people I've heard said that even then, her stuff had a slightly harder edge to it than other pop of the type. She was also on "You Can't Do That On Television!", that really long lived kid's TV show that ran for like 12 years or so, when she was a kid. The knowledge that Alanis was a child star makes "Perfect" all the more intense, to me, and frankly, the song gets under my skin and is rather disturbing. >also, when during the year was jagged little pill released? i've noticed >some discussion of it here for a while, but only ever really noted down the >name for future reference, and don't remember when it started. i am *so* >glad i bought this album! JLP was released this year! June 13th, to be exact. Her current single, which is a major hit and has brought the eyes of the world down on her, is "You Oughta Know", and the album itself has gone gold, an impressive thing when you consider that it's only been out since June! - -Ariel ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 04:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bjork vs. Dar vs. Jennifer I'm questioning my sanity right now. To prepare for a week long trip to San Jose, I work long hard days without lunch, and then run around to clubs all night. Now it's 5 hours to my flight, and I'm almost done packing. I've been too busy and disorganized, and my schedule in San Jose to hectic, to try to arrange meeting anyone there. However, I'm hoping to get to Oasis to see the Innocence Mission on Wednesday, so if anyone else is there, I'll be the guy wearing the shirt with the giant giraffe head on it, so come say hi. That aside, I managed to catch 3 shows in the last two days. If it were a contest, Dar Williams would have easily won the most entertaining show, while Bjork has the most inspired 3 minutes. Bjork's show was on Thursday, and despite some incredible moments, really didn't do that much for me. Perhaps I should point out I left work in a very cranky state, hoping for an exciting show to lift my spirits. It was my first visit to the brand new Capitol Ballroom in DC, which is a gigantic warehouse complex. This means they can cram in way more people than could possibly fit in the concert hall. Despite the claimed 8:00 show time, nothing happened (other then endless, repetetive dance tunes) until around 9:30. This gave me ample time to admire the set, which was really stunning. A pair of twisty trees and an amazing jumble of tubing surrounding all the instruments. I don't have the recent Bjork album, and my limited post-sugarcubes hearings haven't excited me that much. The concert seemed well performed, and Bjork was in fine voice, but she didn't generate much excitement for me. All the songs seemed of the same tone, and what passed for changing the pace or increasing the energy was merely adding the kind of driving beats I had already grown sick of before the show. The unpredictability of the sugarcubes was gone, as were the wild vocal tricks that enamored me to them in the first place. It wasn't until the first encore (something like "What's the Point of Falling in Love?") that things took off. That song sored! With Bjork whisper singing and playfully shooshing the audience, then cutting loose at a fevered pitch, shrieking and swooping like mad, only to return to the whispered shushing. Whenever Bjork wasn't singing at the mic like a maned diva, she would dance in a quirky engaging manner, and you couldn't help like her heavily accented "thank yous" and "You're terrifics", accompanied by that impish smile and twinkling eyes (when they managed to escape all the hair). The club damaged Big Time Sensuality with a blinding light show that forced me to experience the song with my eyes closed. (Actually, that's sometimes a fun thing to do anyway.) While the music contributed to my lack of excitement, it was probably the venue more than anything. Large alternapop concerts can make me a misanthrope in no time at all. Tonight I headed to the far superior environs of the Birchmere in Alexandria for Dar Williams. Openers Rockwell Church were a reasonably entertain male folk duo (for some reason I wanted to say 2 man folk duo!). Dar was great! This was another show where I had never heard a note by the performer, and I was very pleasently surprised. She has a very nice, smooth folk voice. It's not really that exceptional, but pretty expressive. I was really taken with her clever, catchy story songs, and was totally won over by the between song comments. I'd give her Christine Lavin's crown as the funniest woman in folk, and her voice is much better. Her Christians and Pagans Christmas song was a riot. I didn't necessarily want to rush out and buy her album afterwards, but I would see her again without a second thought, and would highly recommend her live show. Since the option was to go home and pack or find something else to do, I headed over to the 9:30 club, for a $5 Jennifer Trynin show. (An added bonus of going to the Birchmere is getting out early enough to catch a late show somewhere else.) She performed as a trio, with a very muscular bass and drum section, and provided thick, nasty guitar herself. The music was a very dense pop sound, that was instantly appealing mostly for it's energy. After a while I got used to the sound and started to recognize that under the fuzzy guitars and generally unintelligable lyrics, there were some excellent pop songs. Playing the radio song (whatever it is) a few songs into the set was a great idea, as it gave us something to latch onto and train our ears as to the right way to listen to them. She claimed that she hasn't been able to play a single show without someone (Don't know how she refrained from saying some idiot) yelling for Freebird. Will this trend never pass? There was something very familiar sounding to her set, and I really couldn't place it for much of the show. I tried on the louder moments of Belly, but that didn't really work, and Liz Phair wasn't much closer. Finally it dawned on me that she sounded just like Casey Scott (Creep City). Probably not much of a recommendation, since the people who seem to know that disc didn't seem to like it much, but I meant it as a compliment. (I really enjoy Creep City). Oh, and Atlantis, the newish 9:30 downstairs stage I mentione a while ago, has a very ecto drink as it's specialty. It's a Frozen Blue Thing, composed of vodka, lemonade and (of course) blue caracao. Well, maybe I'll see some of you in San Jose. Neal "My ex-boyfriend can't tell me I've sold out, because he belongs to a cult, and he's not allowed to talk to me." - Dar Williams ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 04:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: musings on jagged little pill Damon Asked: DH> what is alanis morissette's history? i heard from a friend that DH> she was apparently some kind of teen pop singer type thingy until DH> this album. this may have already been discussed here, but if so DH> i missed it, so bear with me... also, when during the year was DH> jagged little pill released? She's Canadian, originally from Ottawa, moved to Toronto, and I can't recall whether she's still living in Toronto (in the Beaches area) or has moved again. I _think_ she's still in Toronto. She had two albums out in Canada prior to this one, simply under the name Alanis. They were formula dance/pop, done when she was in her teens, and a lot of people drew comparisons between her and, say, Tiffany. They did produce a number of hits on Top 40 radio and MuchMusic in Canada, which were actually pretty catchy, good dance tunes. The new album has only been out for a few weeks, and is already at #6 on the U.S. album charts. You Ought To Know is the first single, and has really grown on me, despite the fact I thought it was just OK the first time I heard it. The album is a real change in direction from her teen pop efforts, and is essentially her debut release in the U.S. Wait, I just tracked this down from some mail I'd saved. I originally found it on rec.music.promotional, and posted it here in June, but now that everyone knows who she is, it might be more relevant... > Alanis Morissette (Album release 6/13) > Title: Jagged Little Pill > Label: Maverick/Reprise > (technical stuff snipped) > > Personnel: Alanis Morissette, vocals, harmonica; Glen Ballard, guitars, > keyboards, programming; Matt Laug, Rob Ladd, drums; Lance Morrison, bass; > Michael Thompson, organ; Basil Fung, Joel Shearer, guitar; Benmont Tench, > piano > Producer: Glen Ballard > Guests: Dave Navarro, guitars; Flea, bass > Featured Tracks: "You Oughta Know" (single/video), "Hand In My Pocket," > "You Learn" > Format: Alternative/College > > -- Although she's only recently passed her 20th birthday, Alanis > Morissette's Maverick debut proves that she possesses a wealth of insight > and an off-kilter sense of humor that's at once untainted and matured. > Jagged Little Pill offers jarringly honest, frequently provocative songs > rendered with Alanis's clear, expressive voice. > -- The album's first single will be "You Oughta Know," which features guest > appearances from Dave Navarro (Jane's Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers), > Flea (Red Hot Chili Peppers) and Benmont Tench (Tom Petty & The > Heartbreakers). > -- Expect extensive promotion and publicity to bring Alanis's fascinating > new talent to broad public acclaim. > > > ========================================================================== How's that? Dan - ------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.niagara.com St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ From: iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 05:48:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Bjork vs. Dar vs. Jennifer Neal said: > It wasn't until > the first encore (something like "What's the Point of Falling in Love?") > that things took off. That song sored! With Bjork whisper singing and > playfully shooshing the audience, then cutting loose at a fevered pitch, > shrieking and swooping like mad, only to return to the whispered shushing. Sounds like "It's Oh So Quiet," an old big-band tune (?) that Bjork recorded for the latest album. She also has apparently been playing it for awhile in her live shows. This is, without a doubt, the most brilliant piece of music Bjork has ever recorded. It's perfect for Bjork's extreme style of singing, and I can only hope to see her play it live one day. ==> Valerie ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 04:28:30 +1200 Subject: Re: Happy's longer songs Jeff wrote: > The only song I can think of offhand that was dramatically shortened is > "The Chase" from _Volume II_, which was basically cut in half. Lots of > repetitious (but incredible) "the chase is on" type verses were stripped > out. The original song is incredibly powerful. Another much shortened song (I forget by how much...) is "Dreams Are", which is quite repetitive even in its CD form, but I absolutely adore it and would love to hear the original! Ah well... Out of interest, here's the list of changes Richard noted (from the Encyclopedia). It doesn't note the original lengths of the edited songs... Rhodes I - Additions: 5:35 The Flaming Threshold 2:22 Suicide Song Rhodes II - Additions: 5:45 Take Me With You 2:32 Under and Over the Brink (barely salvaged from the vault) Edited: 4:19 The Chase (shortened) Rearmament - Additions: 5:35 Be Careful What You Say Edited: 5:41 Dreams Are (shortened) Ecto - Additions: 5:54 Look For the Child 5:44 When the Rain Came Down Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ ectophil@comp.vuw.ac.nz - -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:49:00 -0400 Subject: Happy in my head (+ethnic minority) Nearly every day for the past week I've been waking up and spending the better part of the day with Happy Rhodes in my head. To be precise, with the song "Pride" from _BtC_ in my head. It's as if the record were held in cue for the entire duration of my slumber and then, at the moment my eyes open, it is released: "I am not a mountain, I am not an island..." The song comes upon me completely unbidden and the reproduction is of sterling quality. And it isn't like I just bought the disc and have been playing it like crazy. I've had it nearly 6 months and I played it once a few weeks ago. What is causing it to pop into my head like this?! The answer lies in the lyrics a few bars further: "And now that this confession's out **let me just lie here**" Happy is coming into my head because my subconscience doesn't want to get out of bed. And this isn't the first time a song has played like that upon my awakening. A few months after getting _Warpaint_, every morning I'd wake to my brain playing, "We're waking up... Yes it's good." The same thing happened some time after acquiring _The Unforgettable Fire_ by U2: "I'm WIDE aWAAAKe!" Has this ever happened to any of you? If so, perhaps we have another syndrome that with EWS can be added to the list of diseases that afflict our "ethnic minority" (I thought that choice of phrase was hilarious, Damon). Bye - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com ========================================================================== "You can make a conspiracy out of anything, if you work hard enough at it." - - Michael J. Arbouet ------------------------------ From: Stuart Myerburg Date: Sat, 12 Aug 95 12:53:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Bjork vs. Dar vs. Jennifer Valerie said: > Sounds like "It's Oh So Quiet," an old big-band tune (?) that Bjork recorded > for the latest album. She also has apparently been playing it for awhile in > her live shows. Yes, it had to be. She performed it here in Atlanta, too. > This is, without a doubt, the most brilliant piece of music Bjork has ever > recorded. Yep. Even though I love almost every song on _Post_, "It's Oh So Quiet" is the one that still amazes me. > It's perfect for Bjork's extreme style of singing, and I can only > hope to see her play it live one day. It was the highlight of the show, although "Violently Happy" came pretty close. Stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg stuart@law.emory.edu Information Technology Services labspm@emory.edu Hugh F. MacMillan Law Library http://www.law.emory.edu/~stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:21:37 -0400 Subject: Re: lynch, david--on the air As you might all have expected, I _really liked_ "On The Air", DL's Really Awful Sitcom. I remember even hysterically laughing at it a few times. Typical. ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:04:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Gentle Giant-R Lovejoy Hello, Robert (the GGphile) lovejoy wrote:snipped.( We know what he wrote.) I wrote to Vickie's home mail box direct. I have all of the GG vinyls that exist except the 1st live unofficial that was out in 1969. I've got some of the CDs, including 3 live boots: 1972 in Essen Germany on a "boombox" in the crowd; 75 or 76 (offtop of my head[systat offtop] off of soundboard in relatively small club and 1980 NY radio b-cast from their last tour. The last 2 are crisp and great. I've read the GG home page stuff but know that I have an addictive personality,and so have only subbed to ecto. ps: anyone out there into CARAVAN, British soft rock from the 70's. I'm the only one I know(?)[deeplevel soliptic systat] around here that has. Or FAMILY, not so soft. Or STRUNZ + FARAH.??? KrW "They said it couldn't be done but sometimes that doesn't work either" ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:59:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [none] Hello to Robert Lovejoy: that was a tape of "unknow origin" and not GG of "uo". Message re: GG sent to your mailbox. bye KrW "The information superhighway is just CB with more typing" ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:20:40 +0000 Subject: Re: Dune On 9 Aug 95 at 11:31, Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly wrote: > Had a wonderful time because my mom could identify all the characters and > gave us all of the necessary background -- so we had a sort of running > background conversation during the whole movie: I had a similar experience with Last Temptation of Christ -- I found myself sitting in the theatre with some people who had no idea of the underlying story ("Uh, Jesus? Some important guy who died, and Christmas has something to do with him, but I don't remember anything else about him") so I had to give them a running background. Maybe the laserdiscs of both movies should have had a "Footnotes for the Baffled" supplementary audio track :-). - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/ Online Representative, Austin International Poetry Festival \| / Joe Zitt's Home Page\ ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:20:34 +0000 Subject: Re: Dune: the movie On 9 Aug 95 at 8:41, JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI) wrote: > IMHO, Lynch is not a bad director, but he's friggin' weird. He's > in his element with something like Twin Peaks, where he can let > his weirdness run free. I see it the other way: I find Lynch is at his best when working in a medium where he is *constrained* such as the TV series format of Twin Peaks or On the Air, or the live performance situation of Industrial Symphony #1. I like his movies much less (with the significant exception of Fire Walk with Me) since he could just run around and try to get away with just about anything, as long as he managed to cut it down to something short enough. I also kind of like the two-part TV edit of Dune, with the added intro-with-storyboards and the like. Of course, Lynch was so peeved at that that he had them list his director's credit as "Alan Smithee" (the traditional indicator that a director does not want to be connected with a project) and the writer's credit as "Judas Booth" (the derivation of which is left as an exercise for the reader). But then, for that matter, I also sorta agree with what the studios wanted to do with Terry Gilliam's "Brazil", a movie that everyone on earth except for me seems to like. ObEcto: I turned someone on to the music of Julee Cruise and the new Marianne Faithfull album, while on a Twin Peaks proselytization spree B-]. Hmmm... maybe I oughta see about adding Angelo Badalamenti to the Ecotphiles Guide. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/ Online Representative, Austin International Poetry Festival \| / Joe Zitt's Home Page\ ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:20:47 +0000 Subject: Re: lynch, david--weirdo with milkshake On 9 Aug 95 at 14:41, Bradley N. Hutchinson wrote: > Just a minor correction--_Wild at Heart_ is a recent Lynch > film--post Peaks. I think the order is: _Eraserhead_, > _Elephant Man_, _Dune_, _Blue Velvet_, TV Peaks, _Wild at > Heart_, the really awful sitcom that didn't last more than > three episodes, the series of nonfiction pieces for TV, _Fire > Walk with Me_ and that is it, I think. Or did _Blue Velvet_ > come before _Dune_? The really wonderful sitcom, of which six or seven episodes were made, was "On the Air". The first episode may be the single funniest thing I have ever seen. He's done stuff since FWWM, including one or more episodes of the HBO series "Hotel Room" and a book of photography, BTW, those of us who loved On the Air, and other related stuff about movie/tv-making, *must* run out and see the movie "Living in Oblivion", an uproarious comedy about a low-budget movie. Word has it that it was originally designed as a half-hour short, and the cast and crew had so much fun that they pooled their money to make it a feature -- which would explain why it had about seven Executive Producers, asst and otherwise. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/ Online Representative, Austin International Poetry Festival \| / Joe Zitt's Home Page\ ------------------------------ From: winkte@wwa.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 95 20:37 CDT Subject: GenCon Did any Ectophiles make it to the GenCon gathering in Milwaukee this weekend? What a wonderful day we had there, on our way back to Chicago from Door Cty, Wis. Each member of the family found some treasure to buy (myself, a beautiful goddess pendant of diochroic (sic?) glass. Unfortunately I forgot to wear my HR tee shirt..we did see one Sarah shirt go by. Don W. winkte@wwa.com (winkte=two souled) ------------------------------ From: Vickie the Ectophile Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 01:02:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: An early April Fools joke THIS IS NOT REAL... ...but it could have been. I could have died the other day of heat stroke. Our electricity went out for hours and I got *very* sick. I had all the classic warning signs (elevated temperature, nausea, dizziness, weakness, and disorientation) and really was *SO* close to calling 911. Instead, I soaked towels and washcloths in cold water and wrapped my body in them. That made me feel well enough to be able to stand in the shower under cool water. Luckily, the electricity came back on soon afterwards and I turned the fans and air conditioner on high. It didn't take very long to feel completely normal again. Over 500 people died in Chicago during the horrible heat wave last month. Anyway, that was an interesting brush with death. I definitely don't fear death so I wasn't scared. I just wouldn't have wanted Chris to find me dead. That would be awful and I wouldn't do that to him if I can possibly help it. In other words...I'm not gonna commit suicide. Still...there are a million and one ways to die. I honestly believe I came close to one of them. So...Jerry dies the day after this happened. And I saw that some people really take pleasure in mocking people's grief. And I wrote this. THIS IS NOT REAL... - -------------------------------------------------------------- (for immediate release) Ectoville Gazette August 9, 1995 ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST Well-known Ectophile Vickie "EctoMa" Mapes was found dead yesterday of apparent heat stroke, according to Chicago coroner Thomas Noguchi. Her body was found by a friend after efforts to contact her failed. Mapes, 38, was born Vickie Ann Thompson in Leavenworth, Kansas. She spent most of her life in the Leavenworth and Kansas City area, but lived in Chicago for the past 5 years. Paramedics tried to revive Ms. Mapes but she was declared dead at the scene. "It looks like she was trying to make a phone call, possibly to 911, when she died," said paramedic Omar Sharif. "The electricity had gone out in the home and apparently the heat was too much for her body to handle. It's been a bad summer for Chicago residents and she's just the most recent victim." he said. When told of her death, some people who knew her personally and knew of her from the Ecto mailing list were suprisingly unsympathetic. "She was overweight and smoked," said one person who asked to remain anonymous. "She should have taken better care of herself. If she had, she'd most likely be alive today. I'd heard she'd taken illegal drugs in the past. Who knows what they did to her body, so she had no one to blame but herself. Frankly I'm not suprised and I'm really not sorry she's dead. She set a bad example and now maybe people will realize they should eat right and get exersise and take vitamins and listen to the health Nazis so they don't end up like Vickie. She really was disgusting." Another list member just said "Thank goodness! She was a self-admitted old hippie and a sickening remnant of the 60s and 70s. The sooner that generation croaks the better. Good riddance to bad rubbish! I won't miss her one iota!" Others were kinder. Mike Peskura said "I thought she was nice. She turned me onto a lot of good music." Philip Sainty from New Zealand said "She made me buy an album called _Treasure_ by the Cocteau Twins. I'll always like her for that." Various others recalled how Mapes told them about the music of an unknown singer/songwriter named Happy Rhodes and how greatful they were. "It doesn't matter," the anonymous source said. "Good deeds don't make up for the fact that she was a fat, lazy drug user who killed herself as sure as if she'd put a gun to her head. I don't know why anyone would think her death is such a big deal." Mapes is survived by her son Adrian and her longtime companion Chris Williams. Williams said that Mapes would be cremated and her ashes scattered in Lake Michigan. He asks that, in lieu of flowers, donations be made to RAINN in her name. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- THAT WASN'T REAL... ...but it could have been. :-( Vickie (in a truly vicious and depressed mood) (I promise I'll never do anything like this again. I just had to get it out of my system) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #190 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu