From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #178 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 2 August 1995 Volume 02 : Number 178 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:50:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Celts, Faeries, Riverworld At 1:20 AM on 8/2/95, SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com wrote: >someone mentioned the name Brian Froud (was it you, Veronica?) is he the >same artist who did the book of "Faeries" years ago? (his name rings a bell >for some reason!) My mom (who was an artist when i was a kid) had this >beautifully illustrated book of Faeries and other folktales.. I could look >at this book for hours on end... very lush, like a Roger Dean picture... but >whimsical like Maxfield Parrish (sp?) all pictures of hideous water >creatures and "brownies" and "bluebells" etc. etc. Is this the same guy? As I dimly recall, he did a book on gnomes also featuring these grumpy earthy-looking gnomes. And I think he was a design consultant for the Henson flick "Dark Crystal." - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * nkg@direct.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: "JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI)" Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 13:07:56 -0500 Subject: Froud? Regarding Brian Froud, two words: Dark Crystal. That's where most of us recall his name from: Jim Henson was a big fan of his work, and the entire reason he made Dark Crystal was to visualize Froud's work in three dimensions. Labyrinth also features the Froud look. Catchyal8r. | http://www.columbus.iupui.edu/~jrshepar | IUPU Columbus, Indiana | |John Shepard jrshepar@indyvax.iupui.edu I wanna go to a real school someday! | | Internet is too important to be taken seriously. | Artist, writer, net.loon | | Amiga owner & Sarah McLachlan fan: God help me! |in the making. Finger me &| |"Enrich the soil, no soul no soul" Sarah McLachlan| tell me that you love me.| ------------------------------ From: "Chandra L. Sriram" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sybil vane On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, geek the boy wrote: > anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) sez: > > >woj ectoided: > > >>second, after reading anthony's (horan) post about sybil vane, i picked > >>up a cut out of their debut for $2. > > >It's already on cut-out? Poor band. It's just been released here. > > well, it was an in-store promo actually. it's just been released here > as well. > but unfortunately it is already in cutout land--i found multiple copies for 1.99 or 3.99 (why the difference, i don't know). anyway, i like the album.... chandra ------------------------------ From: "Chandra L. Sriram" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: a query can someone give me a sense of what the joan osborne and ani difranco sund like? they've gotten a lot of mention here, and now i am actually seeing their albums in stores, but i am not yet convinced.... thanks, chandra ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:00:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Celts, Faeries, Riverworld On 2 Aug 95 at 9:51, Maggie Young thunk: > Matt Bittner responded to the query: > > On 2 Aug 95 at 8:20, SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.at thunk: > > > Who did the "Riverworld" books? I read 2 of them years ago.. and always > > wanted to finish the series. Anyone know of a collection of these exist or > > do you have to buy the books individually. Are they still in print? > > >>I believe Larry Niven. The are probably still in print. If not, > >>check a used book store. > > I think you may be thinking of Niven's "Ringworld"...I think it was > Philip Jose Farmer who wrote the "Riverworld" series. Oops! Duh, and Doh (in my best Homer voice). Thanks! - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska "Not in the face, NOT IN THE FACE" - Arthur, The Tick's sidekick, and his battle cry - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 14:15:24 -0500 Subject: Re: All this Brian Froud talk... At 12:19 PM 8/2/95 -0500, Matt Bittner wrote: >I just happened to go to a local Walden books store, and picked up a >copy of the magazine _Realms of Fantasy_. This is a relatively new >magazine, the current issue (August) being Volume 1 Number 6. > >Just skimming it it appears to be a good magazine. It's a lovely magazine. Worth cover price for Terri Windling's articles on folklore, fairy tales and such. The August issue features a story and pictures by my favorite artist currently doing cover art for Fantasy (and other novels)... Thomas Canty. The previous issue of _Realms of Fantasy_ (it's bimonthly, so that'd be the June issue) featured a similar feature on... Brian Froud, if I'm not mistaken. >However, one of the ads is for the "next" card game from Magic, >called Everway. One of the "tie-ins" they have planned is a 1996 >calendar with "a glorious new collection of unique fantasy art by >famous artists". The artists listed are Frank Frazetta, Simon >Bisley, Geof Darrow (ouhhhhh...should be good!), Glenn Fabry, Rick >Berry, Ian Miller, John Bolton and BRIAN FROUD (my emphasis). (No, >they were listed in this order in the ad. I did not keep you >dangling on purpose!:-)) Rick Berry is very good, and a terribly interesting man (he was Artist GoH at Fourth Street last year). He also did work, as I understand it, on the movie Johnny Pneumonic... (someone told me he did the design and stuff, but I haven't seen the film nor the credits). >So, Froud Fans, you might want to check it out. Heck, I'll check it >out for Geof Darrow and Glenn Fabry - and have my first taste of >Froud! Just check the covers of books on the Fantasy shelves. Brian Froud's _Fairielands_ series is prominently displayed on those aforementioned hardcovers I mentioned, including one by Patricia McKillip. The _Faeries_ book mentioned earlier is also still available. I see it used a lot, but it's still in print (as Neile noted). Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://imho.net/~lakrahn/index.html IMHO Productions: Internet Consulting, Training, & Web Design ------------------------------ From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 12:48:05 PDT Subject: Re: Celts, Faeries, Riverworld "Matt Bittner" writes: > On 2 Aug 95 at 8:20, SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.at thunk: > > > Who did the "Riverworld" books? I read 2 of them years ago.. and always > > wanted to finish the series. Anyone know of a collection of these exist or > > do you have to buy the books individually. Are they still in print? > > I believe Larry Niven. The are probably still in print. If not, > check a used book store. Larry Niven wrote _Ringworld_. Philip Jose Farmer wrote _To Your Scattered Bodies Go_ and the other Riverworld books. There's some large number of those, at least four or five. ------------------------------ From: "r. n. dominick" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 16:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: All this Brian Froud talk... > However, one of the ads is for the "next" card game from Magic, > called Everway. One of the "tie-ins" they have planned is a 1996 > calendar with "a glorious new collection of unique fantasy art by > famous artists". The artists listed are Frank Frazetta, Simon > Bisley, Geof Darrow (ouhhhhh...should be good!), Glenn Fabry, Rick > Berry, Ian Miller, John Bolton and BRIAN FROUD (my emphasis). (No, > they were listed in this order in the ad. I did not keep you > dangling on purpose!:-)) Actually, Everway seems to be a role-playing game where the cards (and the pictures on them) provide the catalysts to determine resolutions of player's and NPC's actions. (This is from what tidbits Jon Tweet has dropped on the On/Over the Edge mailing lists, and a thread I only saw half of on rgf.misc.) Tweet's other RPG is very interesting and quite unique in mechanics... can't wait to see Everway. - -- http://w3.one.net/~cinnamon/ cinnamon@one.net ------------------------------ From: "h.w. neff" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:53:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Celts, Faeries, Riverworld > Who did the "Riverworld" books? I read 2 of them years ago.. and always > wanted to finish the series. Anyone know of a collection of these exist or > do you have to buy the books individually. Are they still in print? I believe Larry Niven. The are probably still in print. If not, check a used book store. jose philip farmer, methinks. ttfn, bear. ------------------------------ From: VNozick@tribune.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:52:12 -0700 Subject: Re: a query chandra asked: >can someone give me a sense of what the joan osborne and ani difranco >sund like? they've gotten a lot of mention here, and now i am actually >seeing their albums in stores, but i am not yet convinced.... Can't help with joan osborne, but ani difranco's music sounds like old suzanne vega, but with a much angrier bent. She's got a very hard edge, but her music is all guitar. To me, what makes ani incredible is not her music, but her lyrics. She's a brilliant songwriter, with lines like "I am not an angry girl, that is not what I do. I ain't no damsel in distress, and I don't need to be rescued. So put me down punk, wouldn't you prefer a maiden fair? Isn't there a kitten, stuck up in a tree somewhere?" Her lyrics get much better -- that's just the one I could remember! (it's from Not a pretty girl" off her new album.) The best description of her as a person is an angry lesbian, but the problem is that she's bisexual, and is angry but still articulate. More than articulate -- she is the best communicator of any artist I know. I recommend starting with some of her earlier albums, but you can't really go wrong with any ani. And it's enjoyable being a fan of hers -- she's put out something like 8 albums in 4 years! (?) The antithesis of Kate and Happy. Hope this helps! ==> Valerie ------------------------------ From: sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net (Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 16:48:30 -0400 Subject: Ani Difranco Chandra, >can someone give me a sense of what the joan osborne and ani difranco >sund like? they've gotten a lot of mention here, and now i am actually >seeing their albums in stores, but i am not yet convinced.... Oh no :) you've gotten me started on my all time favorite subject. Ani Difranco's music is *amazing* -- I have almost all of her albums now, but I hated her music the very first time I heard it. I thought it was hiccupy and weird, but I gave the album (Not So Soft) a second chance and it was *fantastic*! She has some incredible guitar rhythms, a very strong, sharply edged voice, and sometimes funny, sometimes angry, sometimes profound lyrics. If you haven't heard her before, I'd recommend starting off with her album "Out of Range". I have to admit that I'm not terribly fond of Joan Osborne, but Todd (my sweetie) loves Joan Osborne and isn't very fond of Ani Difranco, so... "Life is a b-movie, it's stupid and it's strange, it's a directionless story and the dialogue is lame, but in the he said she said, sometimes there's some poetry if you turn your back long enough and let it happen naturally, oh yeah, hell yeah..." -- "Hell Yeah" "How can I go home with nothing to say, I know you're going to look at me that way, and say what did you do out there, and what did you decide, you said you needed time and you had time... You are a china shop and I am a bull, you are really good food and I am full, I guess everything is timing, I guess everything's been said, so I am coming home with an empty head..." - -- "You Had Time" "I'm calling from the diner, the diner on the corner, I ordered two coffees, one is for you, I was hoping you'd join me, 'cause I ain't got no money, and I really miss you, I should mention that too..." -- "The Diner" And for those who have web access, these are excellent sites: http://www.catalog.com/chaos/ani.htm http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~marg/ani/ Well, you asked :) - -Sage ___________________________________ Sage A. Lunsford, Todd M. O'Reilly, eight feline cohorts and a Web page http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: AAA Sheila Rieser wrote: SR> What is this AAA format? SR> Anyone know if Detroit's "The River" is an example of this SR> format? A perfect example. Great station. Dan - ------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.niagara.com St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: More Ecto TV FYI: MuchMusic (and possibly MuchUSA for those of you who get it in the U.S.?) will air Bjork Unplugged, Sat. Aug 5 at 9:30pm, repeating early Sunday morning at 1:30 & 6:30 am (Eastern Daylight). - ------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.niagara.com St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Hanson Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:33:14 -0700 Subject: Joan Osborne When I first got Joan Osborne's album, Relish, and listened to it straight through, I didn't much care for it. But after listening to it a few times, randomized with 5 other discs on my CD changer, I really grew to like it. A couple of the songs she sounds exactly like Bonnie Raitt--but maybe with a little bit more of an edge. The album is pretty varied, but her southern rock influences definitely seem to show. I'd recommend it. Plus, after seeing her perform live on VH-1 I was really won over by her personality. Its amazing that she never really set out to be a singer--she was actually in film school in New York and was dared by her friends to get up and sing at an open mike night. She's got a great voice. If you like guitar-based female rock, ala Bonnie Raitt or Maria McKee, I'd recommend it. If you're looking for something folky, ethereal, or Happy-like, you may be disappointed. Jeff ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:36:17 -0700 Subject: Re: a query At 3:52 PM on 8/2/95, VNozick@tribune.com wrote about Ani DiFranco thusly: >The best description of her as a person is an angry lesbian, but the >problem is >that she's bisexual, and is angry but still articulate. More than >articulate -- >she is the best communicator of any artist I know. Hm. Being bisexual is a problem? :) Well I guess I certainly agree with the "angry" assessment. In fact, I find her interview persona quite interesting and personable whereas her singing/songwriting person tires me with its relentlessly angry approach. Oh, well. I admit I'm not a DiFranco fan. But she's very strident in her approach to personal politics, which lots of people find very appealing. - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * nkg@direct.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 17:07:00 +0000 Subject: thaaaaaanks! I just wanted to offer a big hug to all of you who sent me help on the Phil Jose Farmer books (the Riverworld stories) OF COURSE! How could I forget a name like that?!!! I don't have any bookshelves right now (too small apartment) so any time I want to read something I've read before I have to dig through assorted book cartons before I can find it (it's a real pain in the ass!) So... I will dig up the 2 Farmer books I've got (somewhere) and get back to those of you who offered to sell me their used copies. I really do appreciate all your help! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (big warm fuzzy and purrs) And... thanks to whoever sparked the interest in Brian Froud. I've been looking for that Faerie book for YEARS and now I have a good reference point to start with.... thank you thank you thank you..... I love this list :-) blessed be! Amy ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:52:59 -0400 Subject: weekend o'lead [crossposted from leadheads to ecto, where a healthy BiL fan population seems to have appeared...or at least recently made themselves known.] so this past weekend included two lead shows (new york and hoboken) and one lead radio broadcast (wnti out in hackettstown). friday night, meredith and i headed out to the east village in manhattan to see BiL at the sidewalk (which should be called the *sidewaulk*, methinks) cafe. found a parking spot one block away and walked over. i was wearing last year's pilgrimage shirt, so when we passed the band who were still outside unpacking the equipment, i got the "so, which one are you?" from drew. they were just starting to set up so we didn't have time to chat, plus we wanted to make sure to find a seat in the relatively small confines of the cafe. when we wandered inside, i spotted someone with a video camera and walked over to met vnend. it turns out that meredith and he knew each other from neil gaiman's topic on genie. small world, ay? we took a seat at his table, chatted with him for a bit and then ordered dinner. unfortauntely, it wasn't the best seat in the house. the sidewalk cafe is actually two rooms with most of the wall between them removed, except for near the perpendicular walls. since i'm verbally-challenged here's an ascii sketch: ----------------- | s t a g e | | | | t a b l e s | | | |--- ---| | * | | | | m o r e | | | | t a b l e s | | | | | ----------------- we were sitting where the asterisk is. since the wall has an opening in it, it's a perfect camera position, but it's not the best place to sit. fortunately, a couple people at the table just past the outcrop left part way through so we were able to get a better view for at least half of the show. anyways, after the cafe's owner entertained us with some mst3k-like comments on the garbage disposal scene from star wars (which was on the tv) the four band members took the stage and started. this was the first time i've seen BiL, so it was a pure joy to finally hear them live. (honestly, i would have liked to have seen them at least once with todd, but "settling" for adam isn't such a bad thing either.) the four of them ripped through an acoustic set which featured songs primarily from the last two albums (surprise). i didn't keep a setlist, so i can't tell you what they played, though there were some standards ("newry highwayman", "hide my track" and "rasputin"). since they were the first of three bands playing that night, it was way too short. some highlights: - - "bad hair" sung by joe complete with, well, bad hair. a saxophonist whom we've seen around nyc before joined them for this song and one other - was it "rasputin"? i forget.... vnend told me who the sax player was, but i've forgotten that too. - - adam ripping the five remaining strings off his guitar after one broke (causing an impromptu key change) during one of the long instrumentals with lots o'solos. i think this what was prompted his "this is the loudest acoustic show i've ever heard" comment. - - the second fastest fiddle playing i've ever seen. afterwards, we skedaddled and didn't get a chance to speak with the band. saturday afternoon, around 2:15, i suddenly remembered that drew was going to be on wnti. i rushed over to the stereo and discovered that we was still on his way to the studio and would be on sometime after 2:30. found a blank cassette and adjusted the antenna (managed to eliminate almost all the static - weeee!). i didn't listen to it when it happened since i was busy dealing with the KaTemas parTy going on and i haven't listened to it yet either. if anyone needs a copy, though, feel free to ask - i know it was recorded. vnend told me saturday night that they played a live version of "sally in the garden" that he had recorded at the middle east in philly. saturday night, myself, tempest and one other KaTemasser drove to hoboken to catch the maxwell's show. we got there about twenty minutes before they took the stage. we ran into robin and joe in the hall and traded snarky comments with them for a few minutes. unlike the previous night, there was almost no one at this show. again, BiL was opening, this time for the mamou playboys. since the mamou playboys aren't typical maxwell's fare, i expected the crowd to be small, but this was the second smallest crowd i've ever seen at maxwell's (the smallest was for melissa ferrick). more amazingly, the people who did show clustered in the back sitting on a riser and (less amazingly) standing at the bar. i was one of three people standing within ten feet of the band (though the loudness of maxwell's pa system may have something to do with that). i guess laurel was right about the new york crowd all being out at fourth street. this time, the set was electric and pretty wild. no strings broken, alas, but an even more energetic show than the previous night. dunno what the band felt about playing in front of what would appear to them as practically nobody, but they seemed to cope well enough and played hard nonetheless. top o'the hat to them for that. the highlight of this show was the fastest fiddle playing i've ever seen. :) we took off early again, but not before trading some more snarky comments with joe. ;) i'll end this with some comments on the adam-todd thing. todd has a voice which is more suited to the english folk song singing style. i didn't really notice how much i missed that until this morning while listening to an old martin carthy tape and cordelia's dad's _how can i sleep?_ adam's got that rock-star voice thing down and it shows in the music the band has recorded since he stepped in. i like that a lot too. i think the contrast is best explained in music: listen to "son, oh son" followed by "newry highwayman" and i think you'll see what i mean. dunno if i have a point to make here, but it was a distinction driven home over the weekend. woj ------------------------------ From: Cheri Villines Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:29:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: The Verve tour dates wanted... hi all :) i know they aren't really ecto-fare, but the people here are such a wealth of information on a reliably wide range of topics that i thought i would ask anyway. i would love to know U.S. tour dates for The Verve. you are welcome to email me personally rather than to the list. thanks! cheri cvilline@comp.uark.edu ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 22:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: sTuff Hi! Laurel admonished: >Now, now, Conan did write for SNL for a number of years, as well as for the >Simpsons. Yes -- he's written every single Simpsons episode I've ever classified as utterly brilliant. Which years was he at SNL, though? That might explain a few things... :/ >There's a band called Cordelia's Dad who has a couple of albums out. >Goodstuff. Definitely. Their earlier stuff was also distributed by Okra, I think that was before the Omnium days. They're originally from Amherst, MA -- briefly moved to Hoboken, but now I think they're back in Northampton. Irvin wailed: > SOMEONE please suggest someone new. someone different. someone >i can find used....being as i am severely in debt. Well, you have a few discs reserved at the world o'muzak, don't forget! ;> >and i am looking for some good recipes for chicken. i keep on making the >same three dishes! Joe posted a GREAT recipe (which I saved -- thanks, Joe :). Basically, if you have chicken some veggies, oil, a wok and some hoisin/soy/teriyaki sauce, you can't go wrong. You can also take chicken parts and put them in a cooking bag along with some country Dijon mustard and honey, baby carrots and small red potatoes. Place the bag in a baking pan, and bake at 375 for 45 minutes or so. Creates its own gravy, and you don't have to clean up! :) (apologies to the veggies in the audience) Jeffy noted: >Happy's CD-4: (Yeep, I haven't sent my check in for that yet! ) >The price of this is *well* covered by the acoustic version of "Look for >the Child." Absolutely sublime. I wonder if this is from the WFUV interview? Knocked my socks off, it did. I was hoping it would be on there! Uncle Bob posted: > I read in the New Yawk Times today that venerable WNEW has moved >towards an AAA format. I wonder if Happy's voice may soon grace the >airwaves? Any area philes notice the new format? (Meth?) Nope, I didn't even know they'd changed. The only radio I listen to from NYC is WFUV and WNYC -- what frequency is WNEW? woj contributed: >footah claimed that sarah is sponging accents off the chieftains. i >don't hear it, myself, but my ears are shot anyways. :) personally, i >think that anyone can sound irish when singing songs like "the foggy >dew." True, but I saw in an interview somewhere (I think it was the little interview bit on House of Blues) where Sarah said she has always picked up accents really easily, and she had caught herself slipping into a brogue quite frequently since she started hanging out with the Chieftains. I don't doubt it -- many musical people (or people who are auditory learners in general, like me) often sponge up accents without the faintest idea what's happening. (Set me down in the South for a few weeks, and I promise you the results will be quite embarrassing. :) >for instance, back in college, i played the gravedigger in >hamlet and sang that song of hi to the tune of "my lagan love" and >*i* sounded irish. that's a tough order! ;) Once again, woj and meth communicate for the first time via e-mail. I'll wring the details of this one out of you later! Chandra inquired: >can someone give me a sense of what the joan osborne and ani difranco >sund like? they've gotten a lot of mention here, and now i am actually >seeing their albums in stores, but i am not yet convinced.... The Bonnie Raitt comparison for Joan Osborne is spot-on -- sometimes it's frightening. As for Ani DiFranco, I agree wholeheartedly with those who have been singing her praises here. She's incredible -- not only as a lyricist (I could quote passages at you all day) but also as a guitarist. She uses countless bizarre and funky tunings -- during her live shows she has to retune after every single song, but that doesn't matter because her between-song banter would be worth the price of admission on its own. :) Has anyone seen her new album in big chains, like Tower? Haven't had a chance to look for it yet, but I have to get it soon. Neil quipped: > Hm. Being bisexual is a problem? :) In Ani's case, yes. She has had some problems, mainly from those who feel that if you're not 100% lesbian you have no right to sing about lesbian topics, never mind that you're still speaking from personal experience. And then she gets crap from some straight people, too. Some of my favorite Ani lyrics of all time are in the song "In Or Out": "guess there's something wrong with me guess i don't fit in no one wants to touch it no one knows where to begin i've got more than one membership to more than one club and i owe my life to the people that i love" I couldn't have said it better myself. :) woj reported from the Boiled In Lead show: >- adam ripping the five remaining strings off his guitar after one > broke (causing an impromptu key change) during one of the long > instrumentals with lots o'solos. i think this what was prompted his > "this is the loudest acoustic show i've ever heard" comment. Yeah, that was pretty funny. The comment about the loudest acoustic show came after the second or third song of the set, though, and the string- ripping incident was at the end... Tired. Must have sleep. +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |"We now return you to your regular time. Please take all of your belong- | | ings in order to avoid a paradox." -- Uncle Bob | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #178 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu