From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #169 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 27 July 1995 Volume 02 : Number 169 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bd799@scn.org (Marisa Wood) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:46:38 -0700 Subject: [mlwood@u.washington.edu: Re: [meba@cso.com: Latest purchase...]] ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: mlwood@u.washington.edu (Marisa Wood) To: bd799@scn.org (Marisa Wood) Subject: Re: [meba@cso.com: Latest purchase...] Date: Wed, 26 Jul On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Matt Bittner wrote: [a Very Good Review of Katell Keineg's _O Seasons O Castles_] I was unimpressed the first time I listened to Katell, but I saw the _O Seasons_ cassette on sale at Tower for $7 and decided at that price I'd give her another chance. Now I'm glad I did! She has a *great* voice! It reminded me of Alison Moyet or (gasp) even of Julia Fordham (quite the compliment from me, the JF FAQ maintainer!), mixed in with a little Sarah McLachlan in the high notes. > "1995" stuff would be Jewel, suddenly, tammy! (which, by the way, I > think is all lower case, since it appears that way on both of their > releases) and Nan Vernon. My only 1995 stuff so far has been Alison Moyet's _Singles_ album (which I love--thanks, Nightwol!), Joan Osborne's _Relish_, and of course Jewel's _Pieces of You_. I've found myself humming "I'm Sensitive" quite a lot; just can't get the tune out of my head! :) Can't wait to get Ani Difranco's _Not A Pretty Girl_; I listened to it recently and although I don't think it's quite on a par with _Puddle Dive_ or _Out of Range_, there are a lot of songs on it I really like! > I did get a chance, the other night, to track thorough - "quickly" - > Joan Osborne's _relish_, and can't wait to get this one. I have this one. Joan sounds a little like Melissa Etheridge or Bonnie Raitt to me. A bit more rock 'n roll than this folkie is used to, but I like it. > Ah yes, I also tracked through Laura Love's _Collection_, and also > can't wait to get this one. I have _Pangaea_, and really like it, but wasn't as impressed with _Helvetica Bold_. Didn't get the collection, since most of the material on it was already on those two albums. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Marisa Wood "Under the armour of that iron woman/ So many things lie within...." bd799@scn.org --Julia Fordham, "Island" ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TORI NEWS Hi! The Tori Amos fanzine lives!!! Richard and Missy Caldwell sent out an info post to those subscribed to the rdt-info list today. Here are the most interesting tidbits: >=== > >First of all, the B-side song folio "The Bee Sides" is ready for printing. As >of last week it only needed Tori's final approval before the presses could >roll. Music Sales expects to have the book in stores sometime during August. >The book will include music and lyrics for the following B-Sides and >rarities: > >Baltimore >Black Swan >Butterfly >Daisy Dead Petals >Etienne Trilogy >Floating City >Flying Dutchman >Here, In My Head >Home On The Range (Cherokee Edition) >Honey >Humpty Dumpty >Mary >Ode To The Banana King (Part One) >Sister Janet >Song For Eric >Sugar >Sweet Dreams >Take To The Sky > >We're really excited that the Bee Sides book will include artwork by regular >RDT contributer, Pauline Stuckey. Pauline is a talented artist and a >wonderful person so it's a thrill to see her finally get some recognition for >all her hard work. > >Tori Amos: The Bee Sides, will be ISBN 0-8256-1494-5. The format will be >similar to the previous two music books. The cover will feature Cindy >Palmano's photo of Tori wearing a jacket covered with bees. The Music Sales >order number will be AM931315 and the price will be $19.95. We'll probably >offer the book through the 'zine but those with credit cards can get it more >quickly directly from Music Sales at 1-800-GET-MUSIC once it becomes >available. > >=== > >Work is progressing on the new album. The release is still targeted for >January or February of '96. Tori has started doing some recording and is >currently handling the production herself. RDT #9 should be out by the end of the summer. Needless to say, I am VERY excited about the book! I had *no* idea anything like this was even in the works!!! This message has been brought to you as a public service... :) +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |"We now return you to your regular time. Please take all of your belong- | | ings in order to avoid a paradox." -- Uncle Bob | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:26:36 -0400 Subject: PDQ Bach On Tue, 25 Jul 1995 "Matt Bittner" said: >Anyway, does anybody else listen to PDQ Bach? This stuff is too >great. PDQ Schickele has to be one of my favorites. I had the first album, featuring the magnificent Concerto for Horn and Hardart (the hardart is an instrument which requires the player to deposit a quarter in a slot to obtain a note. It is also distinguished by having a different timbre for every pitch!). The second album was also great fun, especially the Okay Chorale, but my all-time favorite PDQ has to be PDQ Bach On The Air, a transcription from WOOF, the college radio station of the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople. This album contains an amazing Play-by-play broadcast of the first movement of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony that is at once very funny yet actually brings true Music Appreciation to a new level. Great stuff! I don't know if these records are still available, but PDQ Bach was preceded by the Hoffnung International Music Festival. I knew of at least three records on Angel... Anyway, they were filled with musical parodies and jokes, but lacked the broad humor Schickele gave to PDQ Bach. FWIW. Robert, wondering if John Ferrante, bargain countertenor, would be considered ecto material? ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:44:33 -0400 Subject: order over easy, or was it scrambled? On Wed, 26 Jul 95 "Bradley N. Hutchinson" said: >And, if you can answer that one, the chicken or the egg? While there have been many excellent answers, it has to be the egg. This is because animals that existed before chickens had eggs. Before the first land animal, fish had eggs. Why, even dinosaurs had eggs. So eggs come first. Now if you mean a chicken egg, the egg came first. In the case of the first chicken, this egg was probably not laid by a chicken, and was a mutation. So it's always the egg. Easy! Now if only I knew the PJ Harvey answer! Prof. Bob ------------------------------ From: mizbiz@megaweb.com (Liz Biss) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:45:45 Subject: Re: PDQ Bach >On Tue, 25 Jul 1995 "Matt Bittner" said: > > >>Anyway, does anybody else listen to PDQ Bach? This stuff is too >>great. > >PDQ Schickele has to be one of my favorites. I had the first album, >featuring the magnificent Concerto for Horn and Hardart (the hardart is an >instrument which requires the player to deposit a quarter in a slot to >obtain a note. It is also distinguished by having a different timbre for >every pitch!). The second album was also great fun, especially the Okay >Chorale, but my all-time favorite PDQ >has to be PDQ Bach On The Air, a transcription from WOOF, the college radio >station of the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople. This album >contains an amazing Play-by-play broadcast of the first movement of >Beethoven's Fifth Symphony that is at once very funny yet actually brings >true Music Appreciation to a new level. Great stuff! > I don't know if these records are still available, but PDQ Bach was >preceded by the Hoffnung International Music Festival. I knew of at least >three records on Angel... Anyway, they were filled with musical parodies >and jokes, but lacked the broad humor Schickele gave to PDQ Bach. FWIW. > >Robert, wondering if John Ferrante, bargain countertenor, would be >considered ecto material? > And let us not forget PDQ Bach's opera in one un-natural act, "The Stoned Guest". Said opera had a part for a St. Bernard (Pauline, was it?) before Beethovan was a pup... Whe I saw Prof. Schickele in concert, he slid down a rope from the balcony and made a diving leap onto the stage. It was downhill from there... :> Ms Liz Biss "Disobedience, in the eyes of any one who has read history, is man’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." - - Oscar Wilde and I feel a brat attack coming on...... :> ------------------------------ From: johnh@astro.as.utexas.edu (John Higdon) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 00:47:32 -0500 Subject: Sarah in Atlanta Hi, Is anyone from the list planning on attending the Sarah concert this Saturday in Atlanta, besides me? John H. (The Watcher) ------------------------------ From: Kevin John Contzen Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ectopics > >Interesting observation. There are at least two kinds of knowledge: > >knowledge of and knowledge about. > > this distinction is lost in english where the verb "to know" has both > meanings. in the german, these are kennen and wissen. the difference is > kinda hard to explain, but something along the lines of learned > knowledge and instinctual knowledge. > > i think. ;) um, the verb kennen is used to describe knowledge of people, places, things, etc. (in the sense of "I know her," "I know this area of London"), while wissen is used to describe most other types of knowledge (in the sense of "I know that 2+2=4," and "I know that you are a human being")... generally, if what follows the "I know" verb construction is a noun, kennen is appropriate, while if "I know" is followed by a proposition, wissen is appropriate. (this may be a bit off, my knowledge of german is somewhat rusty, but i think it's generally accurate:) happy germaning! kevin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kevin contzen ....... "I've been looking for a saviour in these dirty streets vancouver bc ..... looking for a saviour beneath these dirty sheets I've canada ... been raising up my hands drive another nail in just what contzen@sfu.ca . god needs one more victim" -- Tori Amos, "Crucify" ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 03:30:01 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Alvin Brattli (alvin@mack.uit.no) ******************** ****************** Christy Eger Smith (no Email address) ****************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Alvin Brattli Sun July 27 1969 Lefthanded Christy Eger Smith Thu July 27 1944 Horse Crossing Rob Woiccak (woj) Sun July 28 1968 children at play John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Steve Lusky Tue July 29 1952 Bike! Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo Eli Brandt August 05 Leo Martin Bridges Sat August 08 1970 BigGuy Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost Martin Dougiamas Wed August 20 1969 Positive Tori Amos Thu August 22 1963 Leo Sam Warren Tue August 22 1961 Leo Henk Van Wulpen Sat August 22 1970 Leo Don Gibson Wed August 26 1959 Virgo - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: BahbinLA@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 03:45:41 -0400 Subject: Re: #1(2) ecto-digest V2 #167 I hope I'm doing this right! I'm still looking for ANY info on how to get Happy's CDs: "Rearmament" and "The Muse of Intent". If anyone has ANY info on them PLEASE e-mail me at: Bahb in LA@AOL.com THANKS!!!!! :-D ------------------------------ From: Vickie the Ectophile Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 03:14:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: PDQ fans? Vickie raises her hand! (suprise!) You guys have gotten me to dig through a bunch of boxes filled with books we never had room to shelve and I found my worn, literally- falling-apart-at-the-seams copy of _The Definitive Biography of P.D.Q. Bach_ by the eSteamed Professor Peter Schickele. (1976 Random House ISBN 0-394-73409-2) Thanks Matt and everyone else who responded! - -- P.D.Q. Bach (1807-1742?) was the last and unquestionably the least of the great Johann Sebastian Bach's many children. In possibly the most unimportant piece of scholarship in over two thousand years, Professor Peter Schickele has finally succeeded in ripping the veil of obscurity from the most unusual--to put it kindly-- composer in the history of music. - -- I love that! I really know nothing about music but when I got the book (which I received as a book club selection when it was published) I fell in love with it immediately. Just the titles of the pieces are funny as hell. Examples: The Trance and Dental Etudes Echo Sonata (for Two Unfriendly Groups of Instruments) (I almost wrote Ecto) Pervertimento (for Bagpipes, Bicycle, and Balloons) "My Bonnie Lass She Smelleth" (a Madrigal) "Erotica" Variations (for banned instruments and piano) Hansel and Gretel and Ted and Alice (an opera in one unnatural act) Grand Serenade For An Awful Lot Of Winds And Percussion Toot Suite Fanfare For The Common Cold Suite from The Civilian Barber (includes Fanfare for the royal shaft) ...and so many more! I can certainly understand how those who are familiar with music will get even more out of PDQ's ...um...compositions, but it's not required. Everything in the book is funny to read and the music is funny to hear. Everything's a joke...you can't skip anything in the book for fear of missing gems. Even the Bibliography is a hoot. Examples: Carouso, Enrico, _Music Minus Two: My Life As a Castrato_ Classic Comics, _Born To Make Music! The Story of Big John Bach and His Outasite Organ!_ Pointercount, Count, _My Very Own Diary_ etc. etc.... Trivia Tidbit: PDQ Bach's "biographer," Peter Schickele, wrote the score for the Bruce Dern film _Silent Running_ (anyone remember that? about the orbiting greenhouses and the crazy guy who hijacked one of them when they were ordered destroyed and his cute little robot helpers Huey, Dewey and Louie?) Trivia Tidbit #2: Schickele also wrote music for several segments of Sesame Street, which gives him something in common with Kevin Bartlett! Does anyone know if there are any commercially released videos out there? I have _The Abduction of Figaro_ (taped from TV years ago) and one or two appearances by Schickele on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. I'm sure there are lots of other things floating around. Vickie (who bets Matt didn't expect so many PDQ Bach fans here) :-) - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Vickie Mapes ectoMUSH irc/#ecto "My ears are lucky to hear vickie@wwa.com alt.music.ecto these glorious songs" HR _________ "Imagination sets in, then |_ _ | _ The Happy Rhodes mailing list all the voices begin" KB |__|_ ||_| ecto-request@nsmx.rutgers.edu - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Searching for Happy Rhodes reviews, articles, interviews, mentions - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 10:28:06 Subject: Re: chicken and egg Kevin John Contzen wrote: > it all depends on whether you define a chicken egg as whatever it is > that a chicken hatches from, or as something laid by a chicken. You could just assert both definitions. This is called "mutual recursion" in computer science. > and there you have it. Albert - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Your name is being called by sacred things United Mooseheads Inc. | That are not addressed nor listened to President | Sometimes they blow trumpets" -- Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 10:17:00 Subject: Seth theory Neil K. Guy wrote: > At 8:04 AM on 7/26/95, Richard Holmes wrote: > > >Now, forgive my ignorance, but what is this "Seth theory" and where > >can I find out about it. It seems to say some interesting things! > > So-called "Seth" theory is a vaguely new age package of concepts and > assertions that many people consider a somewhat bizarre cult. It seems that > the basic claim it makes is that if you believe in something really > strongly it'll come true. Actually, it is a theory based on a very simply explainable true idea. The idea is that changing beliefs changes reality. Reality is defined as all that is. This is not a fixed concept, since reality can change, obviously. For example, what you experience is part of reality. Beliefs, because they are, are a part of reality. Therefore, changing beliefs changes reality. Albert - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Your name is being called by sacred things United Mooseheads Inc. | That are not addressed nor listened to President | Sometimes they blow trumpets" -- Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 14:11:19 Subject: Intelligent anti-gravity caterpillars in my back yard Uh-oh... Albert - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "Your name is being called by sacred things United Mooseheads Inc. | That are not addressed nor listened to President | Sometimes they blow trumpets" -- Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:37:26 CDT Subject: Finally... Well, it's about time! The local "alternative" station has finally gotten around to playing "Who Will Save Your Soul". After the song was over (and I calmed down from screaming at the top of my lungs "It's about ef'in time!!!") I called the radio station and told the DJ thank you, and it's about time. She said that they just "got it a couple of weeks ago", which is absolute BS, because when I started requesting it in May, they had it, they were just waiting for Management to give the go ahead. Hmm... So much for free thinking. Ah, you could use the argument that they gave me "It is a business after all" - however, this means to me you should pay more attention to the customer, namely the listener. The DJ also said they've been getting a lot of favorable comments on the song (DUH!). Now they just need to bring her into town... Matt Bittner | "I don't know about meba@cso.com | you, miss kitty, but I'm Omaha, Nebraska | feeling a whole lot yummier!" ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:37:21 CDT Subject: Re: random responses On 26 Jul 95 at 18:57, elionwyr@onix.com spake: > > But first off.. > > HI MOM!!! :) > > (She just joined the list, and is happily lurking at work..BUT NOW > SHE'S BEEN EXPOSED! HAH!) Geez, must be nice. My mom thinks all the music I listen to is weird, even the same stuff my dad listens to (who used to be a jazz musician, and plays a mean piano). I guess she just associates "weirdness" with "Matt"... > Re: all the talk about PDQ Bach > > Has anyone out there tried to sing his choral pieces? It's a true > lesson in comedic hysteria. I had a choral director in high school who > tried to get us to learn two..one was "Good King Kong Looked Out on A > Hill"(?) (very loosely sung to the tune of "Good King Wenceslaus"), and > I forget the name of the other, but the part that we couldn't get past > was the alto's singing "Fuzzy wuzzy was a bear, Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair, > Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn't fuzzy wuzzy wuzza woo, waaah.." It all proved to be > too much for us as well as the director. :) Yes! When we were practicing "The Queen to Me a Royal Pain Doth Give" for our state competition, we also cracked up on "Oy Veh! Oy Veh!". Luckily, we were able to get through it in competition, and earn the first place! Currently listening to _Welcome to the Pleasuredom_, Matt Bittner | "I don't know about meba@cso.com | you, miss kitty, but I'm Omaha, Nebraska | feeling a whole lot yummier!" ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:09:38 CDT Subject: Re: PDQ fans? On 27 Jul 95 at 3:14, Vickie the Ectophile spake: > > Vickie raises her hand! (suprise!) > > You guys have gotten me to dig through a bunch of boxes filled > with books we never had room to shelve and I found my worn, literally- > falling-apart-at-the-seams copy of _The Definitive Biography of > P.D.Q. Bach_ by the eSteamed Professor Peter Schickele. > (1976 Random House ISBN 0-394-73409-2) > > Thanks Matt and everyone else who responded! Not a problem. > I can certainly understand how those who are familiar with music will > get even more out of PDQ's ...um...compositions, but it's not required. > Everything in the book is funny to read and the music is funny to hear. True! But it's great laughing at the current music passage, knowing what happened in the music and having all those who don't understand it around you look at you like "What's so funny?". This is one great think my dad and I share. He too is a Schickele fan, and listens to Schickele mix every week. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find it locally, yet. > Everything's a joke...you can't skip anything in the book for fear of > missing gems. Even the Bibliography is a hoot. Examples: > > Carouso, Enrico, _Music Minus Two: My Life As a Castrato_ > Classic Comics, _Born To Make Music! The Story of Big John Bach > and His Outasite Organ!_ > Pointercount, Count, _My Very Own Diary_ > etc. etc.... > > Trivia Tidbit: > > PDQ Bach's "biographer," Peter Schickele, wrote the score for the > Bruce Dern film _Silent Running_ (anyone remember that? about the > orbiting greenhouses and the crazy guy who hijacked one of them > when they were ordered destroyed and his cute little robot helpers > Huey, Dewey and Louie?) I didn't know that. I remember seeing _Silent Running_ in my youth, and thinking it was a sad movie. I haven't seen it since, so I might have to rent it. > Trivia Tidbit #2: > > Schickele also wrote music for several segments of Sesame Street, which > gives him something in common with Kevin Bartlett! Gads! Imagine a character like the Cookie Monster singing one of Schickele's "lighter" songs! I'm cracking up! > Does anyone know if there are any commercially released videos out there? > I have _The Abduction of Figaro_ (taped from TV years ago) and one or > two appearances by Schickele on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. > I'm sure there are lots of other things floating around. Hear, here! I too would be very interested. Unfortunately, I have never seen Schickele live, and know I've missed out on one of the best pleasure's in life! However, there are sometimes when I'll pop in a Victor Borge tape, and still feel good! ;-) > Vickie (who bets Matt didn't expect so many PDQ Bach fans here) :-) That's for sure! I expected only a couple of people, with the majority of people asking "Who's PDQ Bach?". Upset that I left the Definitive Biography at home, Matt Bittner | "I don't know about meba@cso.com | you, miss kitty, but I'm Omaha, Nebraska | feeling a whole lot yummier!" ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 10:49:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Something out of the ordinary... >Anyway, does anybody else listen to PDQ Bach? This stuff is too >great. Count me another fan. I was lucky enough to see Schickele, oh, must have been about a decade ago. There used to be an annual PDQ Bach concert at the Kennedy Center on Halloween, and my dad took my brother and I one year. It was an absolute scream. The performance started out with a vaguely straight-forward duet for piano and I think oboe. There was one problem. The pianist had gone out for a jog and hadn't come back in time. So Schickele was put in the position of having to play both parts himself. Just before the end of the piece, there was a commotion at the back of the auditorium, and then we see a fellow in jogging clothes come dashing down the aisle and leaping onto the stage. He arrived at the piano in time to play the final note of the piece. Throughout the rest of the performance, this fellow would reappear, each time wearing a bit more of a tuxedo and a bit less of his jogging attire. The other thing I remember vividly was an opera in which one of the characters made a comment about a psychokiller, and another follwed up by asking, "qu'est-ce que c'est?" My brother and I burst out laughing, and then realized that we were the only folks in the audience who got the joke. Wonderful stuff! Jeff ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #169 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu