From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #164 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, 24 July 1995 Volume 02 : Number 164 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Sun, 23 Jul 95 13:03:27 Subject: Re: Ecto Artists in Germany Dave cooked up: > I am travelling to Berlin and Munich next week and am wondering if any > one can direct me to any German ecto-fodder. I'm in the process of listening to my complete CD collection on my new CD rom player, and due to a strange coincidence, _Call me easy say I'm strong love me my way it ain't wrong_ by Rainbirds is playing right now. I only have their first three albums, but they're all definitely Ecto. Moreover, they're from Germany. :) Albert - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "I am always thinking of your convenience, United Mooseheads Inc. | at least when I am not concerned with President | your education." -- Seth ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Sun, 23 Jul 95 13:09:58 Subject: Re: Ecto top-40 Michael Doyle wrote: > >awphili@xs4all.nl sez: > > > >>When Ecto was first created, I think it was a good idea to see top-40 > >>music as anti-Ecto, but this attitude might start to work against us > >>now. Is it not the desire of every Ectophile to see the top-40 filled > >>with Ecto quality music? > > > >frankly, i don't really care what fills the top 40. i don't listen to > >it or pay attention to it. top 40 is a measure of commercial success. > >i'm interested in artistic success. if the two coincide, that's fine by > >me, but i'm not concerned if they don't. > > > >woj > > This brings up an interesting point. woj's pov is certainly valid, logical. I think he is just stating a time-dependent fact. This kind of facts can change over time, if we allow them to. > And yet many of us wish to see our favorite artists catapulted into view of > the mass-cultural eye. We evangalize friends (and strangers), pester radio > stations, grumble at CD stores that lack the works of our goddesses and gods. Yup! :) > Why do we do this? Is it that the our taste in music is part of our > identity, and we seek to make the rest of the world a little more like > ourselves? Is it simply that we have found joy in this music and virtuosly > attempt to increase the joy of others by sharing it? Is it that we want > others to think we're smart or hip when we expose them to enjoyable music > they haven't heard before? Is it the thrill of saying, "I knew them when?" > Is it that we want to hear our favorite songs when we turn on the radio -- > because usually they don't play our favorite songs? All of the above, I'd say. :) > Are we seeking the > acceptance and validation of the mass culture? Definitely not that one. :) > Or do we simply want our favorite artists to achieve commercial success so > they won't starve and can keep making the music that enraptures our ears, > inflames our minds and speaks to our souls? I think that one is the most important. > I don't suggest any one of these as an answer. I just wonder at the passion > that has made me (and probably a few of you) mix tapes, trade CDs, drag > unbelievers to concerts, spew litanies of band histories and performances, > coax the unwilling to listen to one more track (and how did you like that > last one?). What is the source? Is it the music alone, or something else, too? Well, you know my reasons now. :) > "You can make a conspiracy out of anything, if you work hard enough at it." Excellent idea! :> Albert - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "I am always thinking of your convenience, United Mooseheads Inc. | at least when I am not concerned with President | your education." -- Seth ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Sun, 23 Jul 95 8:05:17 EDT Subject: TORI's RAINN needs help (wwa seems to be down at the moment so I'm sending from njin) (pardons to anyone who will see this more than once) - -------------------------- Hello...I know that at least a couple of people might categorize this post in the Land of Spam, but I consider it more of an important informational post. Some will be interested in it and some will not. I was interested when I saw it so I hope I'm not wrong in thinking that others will be too. I'm sending this to some music groups because Tori Amos is involved and I know she has fans scattered around in these groups. In a separate crosspost I'm sending it to some of the abuse newsgroups because even people who don't know of Tori Amos might be interested. One question a few people might ask is if this RAINN thing is really legit. Some of you know me and of my past and some of you don't. For those who don't know me all I can do is ask that you trust me when I say that not only is RAINN legitimate, it works. I can say that it works because I used it myself and I'm probably alive because of it. I'm not just trying to sound melodramatic, it's the truth. At the end of this next part I'll talk more about my personal experience (I won't add it to all the crossposts though, to save on space) and it can easily be read or skipped at will. I don't have any connection with RAINN except as someone who used the service at a time when I really needed it. I'd hate to see it go away and not be available for others who desperately need it. Please consider giving RAINN support. Thanks for your patience. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (begin cross-post) From: rainnmail@aol.com (RAINNmail) Newsgroups: rec.music.tori-amos Subject: TORI's Hotline May Go Under Date: 21 Jul 1995 17:38:27 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) HOTLINE FOUNDED BY TORI AMOS ABOUT TO GO UNDER AMERICA'S ONLY NATIONAL RAPE HOTLINE IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF FUNDS The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN), a non-profit organization based in Washington, D.C., operates the only national hotline for victims of sexual assault. The hotline was founded last summer by Tori Amos. Tori also chairs RAINN's advisory board. When victims call the toll-free hotline (800-656-HOPE) they are automatically connected to a trained counselor from the rape crisis center closest to them; presently 599 rape crisis centers nationwide participate with RAINN to provide services to victims. The hotline provides callers access to counseling 24 hours a day, from 48 states and the District of Columbia. Since RAINN began last July, the hotline has provided the critical help needed by thousands of rape victims. In fact, the response has been so overwhelming that funds are running out. In order to keep the hotline up and running, we need to raise $120,000 in the next few weeks. In its few months of existence, RAINN has already helped more than 15,000 victims of sexual violence. Many calls to RAINN are from children being molested by someone in their household; before RAINN, they were afraid to get help because a call would show up on their phone bill. Many more cannot afford a call to a rape crisis center hundreds of miles away; before RAINN, help was effectively unavailable. Now that a national rape hotline has finally been established, we want to continue this service that is so necessary to so many people. We have the potential to help many more thousands of rape victims, but we must raise the money to do so. We know how inappropriate it is to appeal for funds in this newsgroup, and we apologize in advance. If the need wasn't so urgent, we wouldn't be doing this. Please help us. Donations to RAINN can be sent to: RAINN 252 Tenth Street NE Washington, DC 20002 Or you can reach us by phone at 202/544-1034 or by fax at 202/544-1401 or by email at RAINNmail@aol.com RAINN accepts Mastercard, Visa and American Express. as well as checks RAINN is a 501(c)(3) organization, so your contribution is tax deductible. Our tax ID number is 52-1886511 (end cross-post) - ------------------------------ Vickie here again... In some areas (specifically Ecto and alt.sexual.abuse.recovery) I've talked about my past, and trying to deal with molestation, sexual abuse, rape and incest. Trying to deal with clinical depression, suicidal thoughts (and past attempts) and how it's affected my life and the people around me....it's been (and continues to be) a real mess. I've suffered from depression off and on my entire life, and had never gotten any meaningful professional help for the condition. I was always able to "push it away" through force of will and even when it caused havoc in my life and health I always seemed to be able to bury the depression under a facade of cheerful happiness and chatty friendliness. Then, a few years ago, I started a long and steady downhill slide into a depression that became increasingly uncontrollable. Even then, I still kept trying to push it away and didn't seek help for a couple of years. When I did seek help I didn't get what I needed and quit the clinic I was going to after only a few months. Without therapy (which I badly needed) and without medications (which I *desperately* needed) I went into a very nasty downward spiral that nearly killed me (I had this strange notion that I'd rather be dead than in a mental hospital) numerous times. In desperation, I called RAINN late one evening last fall. I talked to a very nice woman who gave me a bunch of different phone numbers and addresses. The next day I made an appointment at the first place I called, a city mental health clinic. They've provided me with free medication and therapy ever since. (Free...yes...I haven't been able to work because of my depression and panic attacks). The clinic has literally been a life-saver and I don't know if I would have found it if not for RAINN. I'm still in bad shape, but nowhere near the shape I was in last year. I've got a long ways to go, but I have a glimmer of hope now. And I have RAINN to thank. So....that's just a small slice of my very long story. RAINN works. RAINN helps. RAINN is important. I want to do what I can to help them and sending this around is something I can do, even if it gets me flamed. It's worth it. Vickie "It lay buried here...it lay deep inside me... It's so deep I don't think I can speak about it..." Kate Bush - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Vickie Mapes ectoMUSH irc/#ecto "My ears are lucky to hear vickie@wwa.com alt.music.ecto these glorious songs" HR _________ "Imagination sets in, then |_ _ | _ The Happy Rhodes mailing list all the voices begin" KB |__|_ ||_| ecto-request@nsmx.rutgers.edu - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Doug Mayo-Wells Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 08:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ecto top-40 > Michael (doylem@iia.org) wondered: > > >awphili@xs4all.nl sez: > > > >woj vouchsafed: > > > >frankly, i don't really care what fills the top 40. i don't listen to > >it or pay attention to it. top 40 is a measure of commercial success. > >i'm interested in artistic success. if the two coincide, that's fine by > >me, but i'm not concerned if they don't. > > > >woj > > > This brings up an interesting point. woj's pov is certainly valid, logical. > And yet many of us wish to see our favorite artists catapulted into view of > the mass-cultural eye. We evangalize friends (and strangers), pester radio > stations, grumble at CD stores that lack the works of our goddesses and gods. > > Why do we do this? Is it that the our taste in music is part of our > identity, and we seek to make the rest of the world a little more like > ourselves? Is it simply that we have found joy in this music and virtuosly ...and a bunch of other interesting thoughts which i'm snipping to avoid reposting the whole message... speaking for myself alone (of course) reason number one is that if i *really* like something (not just music, i also recommend films and books and art exhibits to anyone who shows the least glimmer of interest) i think that other people will probably find pleasure in it too, and i want to share it...particularly if it's something (like most ecto music) that's sufficiently non-mainstream that most people (even people who would like it) aren't likely to encounter on their own. that got kind of muddled, i hope it made sense. reason number two is that i like to support the arts...i think art is what keeps the species sane, or reduces or insanity, or something. part of doug's big list of attributes of a utopian society is that people who are artists would just be *given* a place to live and food and clothes and general stuff, so that they would be free to create their art in the absence of any economic constraints. not at all realistic, i know, but it makes me sick to my stomach when i hear about someone being dropped and/or sued by their record company and having to quit the music business... or when i think of all the super-talented players and writers who balance amateur music with full time careers and never have the opportunity to have the audience they deserve...so, anyway, i like to do my part to help, small as it is...i especially like to buy recordings directly from the artists at concerts and such, where more of the money goes to the artist and less goes to the business folk (who seem to get plenty)... ...there's an ulterior motive here, too, i sort of hope that if i support local and alternative artists by buying their stuff, maybe more people will buy my band's tape... ...just some thoughts... doug the lurker dmayowel@access.digex.net ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Sun, 23 Jul 95 18:42:42 Subject: Seven is one too few All this nonseth about Seven I keep hearing is starting to hurt my feelings... Minds <-> Thoughts <-> Emotions <-> Desires ^ ^ | | v v Souls <-> Bodies <-> Movements <-> Feelings *HUGS* Cyprus - -- Albert W. Philipsen | "I am always thinking of your convenience, United Mooseheads Inc. | at least when I am not concerned with President | your education." -- Seth ------------------------------ From: Ulrich Grepel Date: Sun, 23 Jul 95 12:36:56 +0200 Subject: Re: sTuff Hi! (welcome back, Ecto... I've spent the past three weeks rescueing data and rebuilding my system after it decided to partition my harddisk without asking me first) Collier answered Meth's question: > I imagine she is beholden to ASCAP or BMI or CESAC because this would be > the only real way she could collect royalties. If she was independant of Check out the credits (from Rhodes I): "All songs BMI. All songs published by Hovering Slab Music (BMI)." Bye, Uli - -- "Ein 32-Bit-Betriebssystem fuer uns?" - "Wozu? Wir haben doch zwei mit 16." [IBM ad promoting OS/2] "Bah, ich habe 4 mit 8!" [comment from Sven Wachter] ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 18:32:57 -0400 Subject: Happy Seedy Rhom On Thu, 20 Jul 1995 THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE said: >>Happy is currently hard at work on an enhanced CD as well as a full blown >>CD ROM game ala Myst. Creatures abound. > >??? Is Happy actually *writing* the game, or just designing it? We need >details... >From what I've been able to gather, Happy is "writing" the entire game. I don't know who will actually code it. She is also planning a multimedia track, a la Freedom Sessions, too. Fasten your seat belts! Bobbo the Hutt ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:23:18 -0400 Subject: Re: AURALGia "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" sez: >The discussion of AG's new email address recovered the memory of the >commercials in my childhoood, that Anacin was good for neuritis and >neuralgia, among other things. i guess that makes happy's music an auralgesic, hm? if ag ever needs a motto, how about "sounds for sore ears"? woj ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:27:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Top 10 Signs/Veruca Salt/Ecto Top 40 Sue Trowbridge sez: >I think compiling a list of ecto subscribers' purchases is a fun idea, >although it might be scary to find out just how many CDs Meth and woj buy >in an average month/year. ;-) i think compiling a list of purchases combined with short reviews is a better idea, which i why i prefer to write some impressions for each disc that i mention buying. a shopping list just isn't that exciting to read. as for the second point, i typically buy anywhere from 5 to 10 discs a week, when i'm not being a good boy staying out of record stores. the math is intutively obvious and left as an exercise for the reader. ;) woj ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:42:44 -0400 Subject: sarah and the chieftains some comments on some comments about sarah and the chieftains: MONTVILLE@zodiac.rutgers.edu sez: >Sarah's new rendition of "Terms" had a bit of a "wild side" to it... i suspect that sarah and ash got carried away one day while practicing "plenty" and started doing "doo doo's" during "terms". the result is a bit weird. the first time i heard it in new haven, i didn't care for it at all. the second time at gsac, it was better, but i'm still not sure i like it as it directs the tone of the tune towards a happier, hippier place which isn't where the song is coming from. Meth sez: >I think she's decided that's going to be the title of the song -- "Fall From >Grace" makes more sense semantically, but not really in context. i've come to like that song more, having heard it twice more since radio city music hall show in march. i can't wait to hear it in a full-band context though, since it's still kinda simple and lacking in sarah's weird touches. we'll see. everyone else has already said what i was going to say about the chieftains and the songs that they and sarah did together. in the news department, the xtc tribute album, to which sarah contributed a cover of "dear god" is moving along. david yarzbek, the record's producer, is a member of chalkhills (the xtc mailing list) and is keeping the group appraised of progress. i think he said something about an october release date.... woj ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 00:34:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Ecto top-40 interesting thread here! i'll try and hit all the salient points (and some not so salient - usually mine! ;) Albert sez: >Michael Doyle wrote: >>woj wrote: >>>awphili@xs4all.nl sez: >>>>When Ecto was first created, I think it was a good idea to see top-40 >>>>music as anti-Ecto, but this attitude might start to work against us >>>>now. Is it not the desire of every Ectophile to see the top-40 filled >>>>with Ecto quality music? >>>frankly, i don't really care what fills the top 40. i don't listen to >>>it or pay attention to it. top 40 is a measure of commercial success. >>>i'm interested in artistic success. if the two coincide, that's fine by >>>me, but i'm not concerned if they don't. >>This brings up an interesting point. woj's pov is certainly valid, logical. >I think he is just stating a time-dependent fact. This kind of facts can >change over time, if we allow them to. whoa there, albert! i'm not stating a fact, i'm stating how i feel about mainstream music: to wit, i don't care what is or isn't popular. that's not a fact, though it certainly is time-dependant as i have felt differently in the past and i certainly will feel differently in the future. >>And yet many of us wish to see our favorite artists catapulted into view of >>the mass-cultural eye. We evangalize friends (and strangers), pester radio >>stations, grumble at CD stores that lack the works of our goddesses and gods. >Yup! :) i expose *people* to music that i enjoy, rather than radio stations, record stores and other media-related stuff. for me, it is a person-to-person exchange aimed at letting people who are interested know what's out there that they probably are not going to hear of through the regular channels. Meth sez: >It equals ectophilic music being the mainstream. I don't know about you, >but *I* couldn't deal with that! I *like* getting blank looks whenever I >tell someone what music I listen to. Corrupting the innocent is *so* much >fun, I'd hate to lose the thrill. ;> whatever. can't say that i get a thrill out of listening to stuff that no one else knows about other than the thrill of listening to something that i enjoy. since i know meth fairly well ;), i know she wasn't being snobbish when she wrote the above...however, her words do point out the thin line between elitism and snobbery. i think it's perfectly okay to be elitist about what you listen to -- that indicates a critical ear which refuses to accept that which the entertainment industry decides is "good". snobbery ("top 40 sucks by definition" or "the music *i* listen to is inherently superior to that which you listen to"), on the other hand, is something that we can all do without. Doug Mayo-Wells sez: >reason number one is that if i *really* like something (not just music, >i also recommend films and books and art exhibits to anyone who shows >the least glimmer of interest) i think that other people will probably >find pleasure in it too, and i want to share it...particularly if it's >something (like most ecto music) that's sufficiently non-mainstream >that most people (even people who would like it) aren't likely to >encounter on their own. that got kind of muddled, i hope it made sense. *bingo!* that's *exactly* how i feel. (nice to see you post, doug!) woj ------------------------------ From: Nicholas Hill Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 02:14:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Natalie on Letterman / Katell and Victoria >on Wed, 19 Jul 1995, at 00:22:10 -0400 (EDT), Sue Trowbridge wrote in >part: > >> LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, CBS >> Tu 7/25 Natalie Merchant Thought I'd drop in and mention that Katell Keineg will be joining Natalie on this performance of "Carnival".... I met some folks last night that will be starting a web page for Katell soon, I'll keep this list posted... and in Victoria Williams news: July 29, at Calgary Folk Festival, with workshops the day before.. August 5, at Newport Folk Festival August 11, at Edmonton Folk Festival the Canadian shows are with Joey Burns on bass and Tammy Rogers on violin.. in Newport, Vic does her own set right before The Jayhawks and she has no idea who is in her band yet for that show.. Vic has all but joined the Jayhawks and has been playing with them on tour for the last week or so. They have learned five of her songs so far. in mid August a tour begins featuring "Soul Asylum" ( who i'm sure Vic will do some songs with), "The Jayhawks with special guest Victoria Williams" and "Mathew Sweet"... I wish she was doing her own shows but this should be groovy.. I'll be working with her at Calgary but none of the other shows.. If any of you are going to the Calgary Folk Fest holler at me.\ Vic plays right before Suzanne Vega.. Nicholas PS > Vin Scelsa just played Dorothy Scott on his WXRK show.. yeah! PPS> DO NOT MISS!!!!!!!!! Patti Smith in Central Park, Thursday 8:30 ------------------------------ From: geek the boy Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 10:15:50 -0400 Subject: d'cuckoo on c|net thought this might be of some interest to ectophiles... >From email@fringeware.com Sat Jul 15 19:47:03 1995 >From: FringeWare Daily >Subject: MEDIA - D'Cuckoo & digital puppet on TV, 7/22-29 >Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 23:16:31 -0700 > >Sent from: lindaj@well.com (Linda Jacobson) > >As some of you know, I perform as a "virtual ventriloquist" >with the techno-tribal, world funk multimedia ensemble, >D'Cuckoo. I'm the voice of RiGBy, a computer-generated >character whose voice is provided by me, through a mic, >and whose head and facial movements are provided by >Silicon Graphics software engineer Ron Fischer; he uses >a mouse, keyboard and 3D Spaceball to coordinate RiGBy's >movements with my vocal performance. RiGBy, who appears >on a large screen onstage above the band between songs, lives >in an Indigo and is based on SGI's Inventor 3D software >and various graphics and audio libraries. RiGBy is only >a part of D'Cuckoo's amazing, high-energy performance, >which involves lots of audience interaction via unusual >digital and musical d'vices. > >I thought you might want to know that D'Cuckoo, >and RiGBy, will be featured on the cable TV show >"C|Net Central" the week of July 22nd. This computer- >oriented program, co-starring Richard Hart ("The >Next Step") airs nationally at 9 a.m. Saturday on the >USA Channel, and then it re-airs throughout the >week at various times on both the USA Channel and >the Sci-Fi Channel; check local listings. > >For SF Bay Area residents with no cable TV, C|Net Central >airs on KPIX-TV, channel 5, on Sundays at 4p.m. So the >D'Cuckoo/RiGBy segment runs Sunday, July 23 on Ch.5. > >C|Net Central is affiliated with a new Web site, a >comprehensive publication called C|Net Online, for >which I write a column called "Virtually Yours" (about >VR and various other emerging technologies). I file >a new column every two weeks; if you're hooked into >the Web, you might enjoy pointing your browser to: > http://www.cnet.com/Central/Columns/jacobson.html > >I'd enjoy receiving your feedback on these projects, or >your tips on future topics I can cover in my column. > >--Linda J. > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Jessica Skolnik Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ecto top-40 So much to talk about, so little space in this message. :) Re: evangelization - I feel much the same as woj and Doug, although sometimes i must admit i feel a bit snobbish, knowing of so many 'off-the-beaten-path' artists. The best thrill, however, comes when i share the music i really like, be it top-40 or non, and someone else appreciates it. This happened a couple of weeks ago with a new friend, and the emotion was just incredible, seeing the fact that she delighted in the same sort of music that i do, and that she got a chance to hear artists (like Happy!) she might not have heard of otherwise. (I don't know if that made much sense; i just woke up.) Re: the top-40 list itself - I think the backing idea behind the list in the first place was the sharing of music (as above), so why not do away with the rankings and just have people submit titles (and maybe a short description of the music - restrict it to one line, something like that) of music they've heard and appreciated and wish to share - new purchases or old, doesn't matter.. ? I'll volunteer to collect and post the submissions, if you fuzzyfolk think that's a good idea.. Yr friendly neighbourhood lurker, jess (caffeine.. need.. caffeine..) 'Every story has its medicine; you must figure out what you most need from this one so you can take it and let go of the rest.' - Demetria Martinez ------------------------------ From: VNozick@tribune.com (Valerie Nozick) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:19:47 -0700 Subject: 10,000 Maniacs on AOL Thought you might be interested... 10,000 maniacs (The Mary Ramsey incarnation) will be on AOL this Saturday, July 29 at 8pm ET, in Center Stage (keyword: Center Stage). It should be interesting... ==> Valerie ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #164 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu