From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #156 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 13 July 1995 Volume 02 : Number 156 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Horan Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 22:43:55 -0700 Subject: Kerri Simpson update Hi, here I am writing mail in Netscape. Very strange, but at least it'll arrive sooner. :-) The people who have mailed me asking about getting hold of a copy of Kerri Simpson's CD might be interested to learn that you can purchase the album AND the impossible-to-find-in-stores (believe me, it took me over a week of store-crawling to find one :-) first CD-EP online from the page. It's actually via a company called Aussie Music Online, who I've heard nothing but good reports about. Australia's version of CDC, if you like. Anyway, the prices of the album and the EP are actually cheaper than what I can get them for in stores (by about a dollar each) and their one-item postage is exactly what it'd cost me to mail a CD to the US ($5) so if you're credit card equipped, it might be a good way to go. Of course, if anyone would prefer me to pick a copy up myself and mail it, I'm happy to do so. Anyone who does get a copy of the album, please let me know what you think of it...! The web page is at: http://www.aussiemusic.com.au/kerri/ - - Anthony ------------------------------ From: kcd@bull.cray.com (Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV}) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 10:26:55 CDT Subject: Innocence Mission question Hi Folks! Sheesh... it's been tough keeping up with ecto lately! Just been very, very busy the last few weeks. But anyhoot, on to my query. I've been seeing much discussion about IM out here lately and they sure sound interesting. I think they may be coming around to my neck of the woods in the next month or so, (I think someone posted a tour schedule awhile back, I'll have to look it up) and I'm wondering if some fine ecto-person might enlighten me as to what their music sounds like. Just a basic description, bands that may sound similar, etc. And what CD might be a good starting point to get familiar with them. Should I get their latest one _Glow_, or should I start with what I believe is their debut album, the self-titled _Innocence Mission_ ? I'd certainly appreciate a response so I can check them out and see if I want to go to their show when they come around. TIA!! Oblisteninglately: 10,000 Maniacs - Our Time In Eden I had forgotten what a great album this is. I had not listened to it for quite some time but lately I can't keep it out of the player. My fave had always been _In My Tribe_ but I'm thinking that OTIE may have just one-upped it. I'm thinking about getting Natalie's new one despite some poor reviews I have read. I have heard the song "Carnival" (?) on the radio now a couple of times and I like what I hear. Lush - Split I picked up this CD sometime last winter and really enjoy it. It never wears thin on me. Somehow I find that the bandname "Lush" is very appropriate. Don't ask me why... ;-) I don't know much about the band other than what is listed in the liner notes of the CD, but it's definately cool stuff. I especially like how the two female vocalists play off one another's voices. The guitar work ain't half bad either. I need to keep a little closer track of this band. Well, that's enough rambling for now, and thanks again for any responses to the above IM query! Kevin ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 13:43:01 EDT Subject: Collateral damage where you'd least expect it? Jewel's segment on _All Things Considered_ yesterday--the very last item in what is now a two-hour program--may well qualify as one of the more unsung victims of the Bosnian war, seeing as how the war news alone was enough to drive Meredith away from NPR for the rest of the show and miss it :-). But as I tried to reassure her, it probably contained little that would be entirely new to people familiar with Jewel and her music, though it did a good job of introducing the uninitiated. The great challenge ahead, of course, is to get equal time on that show for Happy :-). I had hoped to get home in time to tape the feature in question, but was thwarted by the need to blow the morning traveling to a public library branch in one of the most peripheral of neighborhoods, in order to check out a CD with something I want to put on the HBP tape--all because the copy that lives in the library downtown, which was due back last Friday, still hadn't been returned. To make a long story longer, the guy at circulation clained they didn't have it, because it wasn't in their card file. When I pointed out that it was in the computer, his superior eventually got around to me, looked around in some less-obvious places, and found it. Public bureaucracy at its best. Be all of which as it may, I was therefore delayed in getting to the backlog of mail left over from Monday (which had piled up over the weekend) on top of the new incoming from yesterday, which could only have gotten worse had I let it slide until today. So I didn;t get to tape the Jewel story after all. Another obkect lesson in how events can have ramifications for seemingly unrelated events. WRT the Jamal case, just mentioned in these pages: Another of the umpteen lists that create this daily backlog of mail for me carried an update, which noted that the prosecutor is arguing that carrying out a valid death sentence does not cause irreparable harm to the defendant. Go figure. We are gratified to have received our first prepared text, which will receive a suitably dramatic :-) reading on the HBP tape. We look forward to receiving many more in the days to come. :-) Mitch ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:59:47 CDT Subject: Question... Does anybody know where I can get a 3" CD adapter for older CD players that can't play 3" CD's? I ask because I have had - for years, since it came out - NIN's _broken_ that came with a 2 song 3" "EP-CD". Hmm... Would this actually be called a CD single? I've tried Radio Shack, and get the strangest looks. It's a bummer having the "older" technology CD player. I know they used to make such a thing, but at the time I saw it, I didn't have the need, so I never picked one up. Also, if there are any NIN fans here, and you have this CD and know what these two songs are, could you email the titles to me? Thanks. Matt Bittner | "We devour those meba@cso.com | who would subdue Omaha, Nebraska | us." ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Jewel on NPR + I did tape Jewel on NPR, but I sent it right away to someone who is compiling a Cool Jewel tape for the the jewel list. However, a copy of the tape in question will be donated to the Tape Dubbing Project when it's ready. It will have a collection of interviews and some rare songs to fill up the tape (rare meaning not on _Pieces of You_ or on the two tapes already in the Tape Dubbing Project). - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: veronica sawyer Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Innocence Mission, C&V, Lush, asstd. hi Ectofolk! On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV} wrote: > I've been seeing much discussion about IM out here lately > ... > to look it up) and I'm wondering if some fine ecto-person might > enlighten me as to what their music sounds like. Just a basic my 2 cents in 2 words: "the Sundays" except that i'm really bad when it comes to limiting my spending, so i'll add "really wow wonderful!" at a cost of 3 additional cents, bringing the total to an even nickel. which, after TicketMaster&Servant charges, comes to $13.75. ouch! now i've only just heard "Glow" a few times so far, and that's all i know of them, but even so i'm planning to catch one of the Boston show dates. if that's a reccomendation. :) > Lush - Split > I picked up this CD sometime last winter and really enjoy it. > It never wears thin on me. Somehow I find that the bandname > "Lush" is very appropriate. Don't ask me why... ;-) um, did you know that Lush had a reputation for turning up at all the best parties, and trying to drink everyone there under the table? it made their name doubly appropriate. :) > guitar work ain't half bad either. I need to keep a little closer > track of this band. yes! you do! ;) if you like _Split_, get _Gala_. and if you like the Cocteau Twins as well, get _Spooky_. i'm reading this really great book called "Women, Sex and Rock & Roll" by Liz Smith (i think this is right - i'll check when i get home, and get the ISBN in case anyone needs it) which is basically all interviews. so here's a quote from Miki Beryni, the co-lead singer/guitarist for Lush, explaining how she got to do vocals after the first singer, Meriel Barham, left the band. "... and I got chosen because I had done some backing vocals, and when I say backing vocals I mean a noise which was in the same key everyone was playing." i'd best not get started about Lush - they're one of my all time faves and i'm liable to go on endlessly... - ------ On Fri, 7 Jul 1995 vnozick@tribune.com wrote: > >>Rock in the new Kate year with a Chicago Katemas gathering, courtesy of > >>Chip and Valerie (the other C&V). > > > > > >Folks, ecto has spawned some scary things, but few so scary as this! > > Think it's something in the water? How did you avoid the curse, Ceredith and > Voj? > > For that matter, let's rename everyone on ecto as a C or a V, and then begin > matching them up! Vitch, Claus and Vaudia, Vim Cook, Ctuart Myerburg, vjv, and > of course the Neiles: Veil, Veile and Veal. > > Anyvone elce? > > ==> Valerie hmmm well Valerie... i'm *already* a V. and (are you sitting down?) my recently-found love is named Christine. i'm cerious! for once. ;) can she and i be the other other C&V? did i mention it's a full moon, or so close as makes no nevermind? at least we're in Boston... Chicago might start to suffer from C&V overcrowding if we were there. - ------ On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Mitchell A. Pravatiner wrote: > Jewel's segment on _All Things Considered_ just now couldn't have been a > ... > > My interest was piqued, in particular, by her statement that she thinks of > music in terms of colors. Laura Nyro used to drive studio musicians batty > with her calls for "blue" or "orange" music. When asked what the nexus > was between music and color, Jewel said that music evokes emotion, which > she associated with color. What remains inexplicable is the nexus between > emotion and color :-). it may be inexplicable but that won't stop me from trying... when you feel a strong emotion, close your eyes and *look*. we're often used to not-looking when our eyes are closed, on the idea that there's nothing to see, but sometimes there is. music can do this too... "Synaesthesia." "Bless you!" now if only the colors *you* see would match up with the ones *i* see... that'd be more practical i guess, but also more boring. a medium amount of confusion keeps you thinking and awake. :) - ------ in Newbury i picked up (what i thought was) a fanzine... a nice-looking one with decent art direction and layout. as i flipped through it seemed cool, little interview bits with Mary Karlzen and Jill Sobule, Juliana Hatfield taking Rorschach tests, and an ad/contest for Jewel's album. then i get to the back, and d'oh! it's a genuine official Atlantic Records thang. so it's called Spew, it's put out by Atlantic Progressive Marketing, and it's halfway between pure corporate and pure 'zine. btw it's also got bits on Ted Nugent, Tragically Hip and probably others i missed. so grab it if you see it, you can always recycle it later. :) so that's all for now, my lovelies. peace, smiles and OoooooohhHH-BIG HUGS, veronica p.s. Mitch - i'm hurrying! ------------------------------ From: brage@sphere.home.id.dtu.dk (Jens P. Brage) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 00:15:25 MET Subject: EctoTrip'95 Hi! A while ago I mentioned that I was thinking about touring the USA for my holiday this Summer - well, it's finally settled: This week a friend of mine, Per, and I bought our tickets (the third guy, who was involved in the planning, decided to back out for financial reasons). Though we can perhaps still make a few changes, the itinerary is pretty much fixed by now. Here are the major fixpoints: 24th Aug - 25th Aug: San Francisco 28th Aug - 30th Aug: Seattle 2nd Sep - 3rd Sep: Yellowstone NP 6th Sep - 7th Sep: Grand Canyon 9th Sep : Socorro 13th Sep - 14th Sep: Austin or Houston 15th Sep - 16th Sep: Lafayette/New Orleans 18th Sep : Memphis 19th Sep - 21th Sep: Chicago 22th Sep - 24th Sep: Washington DC 24th Sep - 27th Sep: New York Unfortunately, this means we'll be in Yellowstone NP during the Labor Day weekend - this is probably pretty bad timing, even more so as it would have been fun to spend that weekend in Seattle; however, I doubt we can stretch the schedule sufficiently to avoid this... We'll likely pass through Spokane, Salt Lake City, and Carlsbad as well as several other cities along the route; we haven't decided anything as yet about the detailed route, though. So, anybody want to meet up? Let's make this a real EctoTrip! :-) Jens P. Brage | Why don't they give me tape? Why don't they brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | make it so I know what to do? Why don't they /\ | make it so I feel better about this? \SphereSoft | Has the Computer forgotten about me? ------------------------------ From: das freshmaker! Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:43:04 -0400 Subject: Re: catching up (not!) Mike Mendelson sez: >Woj and Meth, it's nice to see people here finally smelling the roses wrt >the likes of BNL, fruvous, and susan werner. oh palindrome man, you can accuse me of being clueless re: susan werner, but i *must* contest the bnl/fruvous nonawareness! i had copies of both band's pre-major label debuts! is that not enough? ;) i'll be frank (as opposed to gordon) though: i lost interest in both bands after hearing those debuts...neither seemed to capture the essense of either band i had distilled from the eps. go figure. >I could have sworn I posted about the kraft dinner thing >after I saw them in Chicago this spring... you might have, but miscellaneous details in many posts such as that often escape my memory...if i even notice them at all! >did steve chew up a bunch of >it while the other guy said "he cooks it in there?" one of 'em ate some. i don't remember if anyone commented on it. >And did they introduce all the band-members as porn-stars not that i recall... >Susan Werner has 3 CDs out... I have them all. They are a little bit >boring, unlike her stage show. There are a few very good songs on each >of them, and some that fall flat. She has one of the most interesting >ways of scrunching up her face when she performs, ay? oy! three discs? see: i'm clueless about her. we were too far away to see any face-scrunching. woj ------------------------------ From: waalwijk@ideta.nl Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 08:52:00 MET Subject: Stop nuclear tests!!!! >Subject: Stop Nucleair Tests! > > #### ####### #### ##### > # # # # # # > #### # # # # # > # # # # ##### > # # # # # # > #### # #### # > > # # # # #### # ###### ## ##### > ## # # # # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # ##### # # # # > # # # # # # # # ###### ##### > # ## # # # # # # # # # # > # # #### #### ###### ###### # # # # > > ####### ###### #### ####### #### # > # # # # # # > # ##### #### # #### # > # # # # # # > # # # # # # # > # ###### #### # #### # > > >1 SHIMIZU Seishi Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan >2 Yuichi Nishihara Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan >3 Hirohisa TANIGUCHI Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan >4 Takashi Tomoeda Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan >5 Tomoki KOBAYASHI Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan >6 Munehito ARAI Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan >7 Akira Okazaki Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan >8 Atsushi Matsumura Physics, Tohoku University, Japan >9 Kouta Yamamoto Chemistry,Tohoku University,Japan >10 Yasushi UJIOKA Degremont S.A., France >11 Toru Hara Universite de Paris Sud, France >12 Rene Bakker CEA - Sacley, France >13 David Garzella Universite de Paris Sud, France >14 Henk Blok Vrije Universiteit/NIKHEF, Amsterdam >15 Igor Passchier NIKHEF, Amsterdam >16 Ard van Sighem NIKHEF, Amsterdam >17 Johan Noordhoek KOL Leiden >18 C.M.C.M. van Woerkens Kamerlingh Onnes Laboratory, Leiden >19 Annemarie Borst, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam >20 Gijs Nelemans Universiteit Utrecht >21 Susanne Buiter Universiteit Utrecht >22 Stan Schoofs Universiteit Utrecht >23 Edward Prendergast Universiteit Utrecht >24 Manon Kluytmans Universiteit Utrecht >25 Edmar Weitenberg Utrecht >26 Harry Blom Ruimteonderzoek Utrecht >27 Jeroen v/dn Bergh Vrije Universiteit/Faculty of Economics, Amsterdam >28 Erik Verhoef Vrije Universiteit/Faculty of Economics, Amsterdam >29 Victor Schiferli Foundation for Dutch Literature Amsterdam >30 Steven van Drie Universiteit van Amsterdam >31 Andrea vos Universiteit van Amsterdam >32 Mark Beijer University of Amsterdam >33 Adriaan Kodde University of Amsterdam (The Netherlands) >34 Nico Bakker Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam (The Netherlands) >35 Floris v. 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Med, Goettingen, Germany >40 Arjen Gerstel Utrecht, The Netherlands >41 Alex Schmit Amsterdam, The Netherlands >42 Arend Korver Amsterdam, The Netherlands >43 Mark Breman Amsterdam, The Netherlands >44 Frans Waalwijk Amsterdam, The Netherlands > > Dear Sirs, > > This is a chain letter to urge the french > government to stop nuclear tests. > If you agree with us, please add your name to the list above, > and send copies to your friends. > We will add up the lists that had come back to us, and send it > to the French Government. > > If you happen to be the hundredth,two hundredth, three hundredth, > and so on, on the list, please send a copy of the mail back to the > addresses below, so that we can keep track of this project. If you have > any comment please send mails to us. And also, > if you are multi-lingual and have friends who may not understand > English, please translate this message and add it to the end of the mail. > Thank you very much. > > ******* addresses of the organizers > shimizu@femto.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp > keshi@uticeaix1.icepp.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp <- please use this adress > > > ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 03:30:01 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ***************** Marion Kippers (Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl) ***************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Marion Kippers Tue July 13 1965 Kreeft Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Dan Stark July 16 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage Jani Pinola Thu July 20 1972 Jonquil David Koehler Mon July 25 1966 Leo Tom Johnson Mon July 25 1966 Leo Alvin Brattli Sun July 27 1969 Lefthanded Christy Eger Smith Thu July 27 1944 Horse Crossing Rob Woiccak (woj) Sun July 28 1968 children at play John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Steve Lusky Tue July 29 1952 Bike! Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo Eli Brandt August 05 Leo Martin Bridges Sat August 08 1970 BigGuy Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 09:04:41 -0400 Subject: sarah mclachlan on GMA Hey, folks...don't remember reading this here before. Apparently Sarah is going to be on Good Morning America (on ABC) tomorrow morning. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | | | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@wam.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ------------------------------ From: Ethan Straffin Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 08:05:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Stop nuclear tests!!!! > Subject: Stop Nucleair Tests! [sic] Another chain letter...at least this one's for a good cause, but then I've already seen it three times. The funny thing about this one is that the original sender later sent out *another* chain letter telling people to stop sending the original chain letter because he was getting so many complaints about it. I expect we'll see it here shortly. :) Ethan ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 13 Jul 95 12:51:30 EDT Subject: details, details woj sez: |i'll be frank (as opposed to gordon) though: i lost interest in both |bands after hearing those debuts...neither seemed to capture the |essense of either band i had distilled from the eps. go figure. Wow, I couldn't disagree more... I think Bargainville and Gordon are both superb recordings in all aspects... It took me a longer time to warm up to Maybe You Should Drive, which is definitely weaker than Gordon -- until I broke it into two pieces -- slower stuff and faster stuff -- and listened to them separately -- then the whole thing made sense. Of course, it was really hard gluing the CD back together, not to mention my CD player... :-) As far as the new Fruvous CD, I have yet to hear it, except for a 2-song teaser that I was luke-warm on, though I've heard the CD is good. Also, has anyone heard the new TPOH release? Is it out? I had heard that it was supposed to be good (unlike their last 2 and esp. their last CD which was a total bomb from start to agonizing finish). I say, bring back Todd!! - -mjm ------------------------------ From: awphili@xs4all.nl Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 20:10:30 Subject: Susan Aglukark - This Child I found a new artist today that I think I've never seen mentioned on Ecto before. Her name is Susan Aglukark, and her new album is called _This Child_. She's an Inuit from Canada, and her lyrics are a mixture of Inuit and English. The music and her voice somehow remind me of the Shawn Colvin of _Steady On_. I think it's a great album that Ectophiles should check out. If I'm not mistaken, there's a song inspired by _Wuthering Heights_ on this album. According to the liner notes, also available by her are the albums _Arctic Rose_ and _Christmas_. Has anyone here heard them? How are they? BTW, has anyone heard from Beth Perry lately? I've been thinking about her, and I wonder how she's doing. I have been editing a book, called _The Musings of the Moose: A Multi- Dimensional Book_. It consists of several volumes, and Volume 1 is now ready for release. It kind of starts where _The Celestine Prophecy_ ends, and contains themes from the Seth books as channeled by Jane Roberts. It's a story about a group of people who, using the Internet, join together to create a "new entity" containing the best parts of all the belief systems of the world. In the end, the entity is set free to "reboot" a new reality that is much better than the one many people find themselves in today. It is a shareware book only available on a 1.44MB DOS diskette. To order the book, send $20 to: United Mooseheads Inc. t.a.v. Albert W. Philipsen Berkenweide 16 1647 BH Berkhout The Netherlands The money will be equally devided amongst all the contributors to the book. Albert ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Hanson Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 12:00:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Susan Aglukark Wow, Just heard about Susan Aglukark this past weekend while in Minneapolis. (Sorry local Minneapolis ectophiles--trip was rather short-notice so didn't have time to get together with anyone, but am pretty sure I'll be moving back there, so I'll hopefully get to meet some of you soon.) Anyway, got to talking to a guy originally from Canada about female musicians, and how Canadians have so many great artists, and he mentioned Jann Arden and Susan Aglukark as the "big things" right now in Candada. I'd almost forgotten about that until you jogged my memory, Albert. Thanks for the reminder. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 12:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Susan Agulark and Jann Arden Probably misspelled Susan Agulark's name. I have heard her first two discs, and while she has a lovely rich voice, her music is way too mainstream pop for my tastes. I almost want to like her work on principal, simply because she's Inuit and and has turned her life around in a big way, but I still don't like the music. Actually, same with Jann Arden. She has a lovely voice, but the music does nothing for me. I've listened to both albums, thinking that familiarity might change my mind, but it hasn't worked. My Mom really likes her, though (that's not a slam, my mother likes _RhodeSongs_ a lot, too). Anyway, just a warning for those ectophiles whose taste doesn't run toward mainstream pop. Those of you who do like it, will probably like both of these women's music--Susan Agulark (I know I'm consistently misspelling her name!) has a slightly more country/folk feel; Jann Arden more layered vocals with a little more production. Susan Agulark does a knock-your-socks-off "Amazing Grace". - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #156 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu