From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #110 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 16 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 110 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Matthews Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 03:30:08 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************ Michael Colford (colford@clsn1102.noble.mass.edu) ************ *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Urs Stafford Thu May 31 1973 Give Way Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset Alex Gibbs Thu June 08 1967 Betelgeuse Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini Chris Montville Tue June 13 1978 Gemini Mark R. Susskind Wed June 15 1966 Gemini Mike Matthews Mon June 16 1969 SAFH - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: berman@gauss.math.brown.edu (Peter Berman) Date: 16 May 95 08:34:34 Subject: Re: spring In article SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com writes: NEW TOPIC!!!! I'm pretty thrilled that the weather is finally warming up here in the beautiful city of Chicago - so that brings to mind thoughs of summertime. Sorry to those who live in Australia or NZ - we've paid our dues this year. What songs, artists, and/or albums do you all associate with this wonderful season, and why? Just an informal poll.... but not an unpleasant topic! I'll post mine tommorrow since I have to get back to work.... :-) Let's get some of you lurkers out on this one....come on.. ANYTHING GOES on this one..... not necessarily ecto-bands or artists - just for fun, etc. Hi everyone. I'll (gulp) de-lurk to reply to this one. Since last year I've associated Milla's "Gentleman Who Fell" with Spring, and more generally with new beginnings. I first heard the tune on local radio station WBRU, which usually follows the "Station that Dares To Be Different" format :-). But sometimes they depart from the usual rotation. "Gentleman" IMHO is a marvelous song. I don't quite "get" the message of the lyrics -- something about offering consolation to someone disillusioned, a "prophet blinded by the light"? -- but I find the music completely uplifting. My initial reaction, that first time I heard the song, was "Hey, it's Enya Junior." I've since concluded that that's not quite accurate. In fact, that song got me searching the internet for information about Milla, and that is what slowly but surely led me to this newsgroup. Where I've been lurking since around November. BTW I think this little story suggests that commercial alternative radio, annoying though it is at times, is a BIG improvement over what preceded it; I'd guess that a Milla or even a Sarah wouldn't have a prayer of getting airplay on one of the older formats. Cheers, Peter Berman Graduate Student, Brown University ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Tue, 16 May 95 8:47:18 EDT Subject: Re: Moshing ... (& Buckley) Sherm (hi!) wrote: > I remember when the 10,000 Maniacs played at my college. It was one of > the last shows with Natalie, *pant pant*... but anyways... people where > moshing in the front, so she told them to stop because it wasn't > appropriate. When they didn't, she stopped singing and left the stage. > > Oy Boy.... oh, and when I saw TMBG a few weeks ago, they got pissed when > people started moshing. > > Geez... moshing is all well and good if you are at a metallica concert, > but c'mon! I was really proud of Chicagoians Saturday night. We went to see Jeff Buckley and Soul Coughing at the Metro (a *prime* place for moshing) and there wasn't any moshing at all. I might have expected it during Soul Coughing (quite a fun band!) but it didn't happen. Then during Buckley, the only mosh-like action happened from Some-Guy-Who's-Probably-In-Some- Famous-Band-But-I-Didn't-Catch-His-Name-And-He-Didn't-Look-Familar-But- He-Came-Out-And-Sang-Some-Duet-With-Buckley. After the song ended he started to walk offstage but then turned around, ran and literally jumped into the audience...and the cool thing was, no one caught him! I was laughing so hard. I mean, the floor was packed with people standing (there are no seats in front of the stage and the show was sold out) and everyone scrambled away when they saw him coming. I hope the jerk landed on his head. I'm sure that a few people got hurt when he jumped into them because they couldn't scramble fast enough to get completely out of his way. Dickhead. I just wish I knew who he was so I could name him. Anyway, it was a great concert! Jeff Buckley definitely belongs in the Male ecto-ish god-like pantheon. Vickie ------------------------------ From: "r. n. dominick" Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 09:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Moshing ... > Oy Boy.... oh, and when I saw TMBG a few weeks ago, they got pissed when > people started moshing. Who opened for TMBG? Here in Cincinnati it was Soul Coughing, which was (IMNSHO) an odd choice. The crowd got to moshing and crowd-surfing during the opening set, and several people were hurt -- and my glasses were broken, causing me to spend lots of money I didn't have replacing them AND losing work. John said: "Well, if you don't stop moshing, we won't stop playing; we'll just play *badly*." Later on, the delivered a flat-out ultimatum to folks to knock it off. I dunno. I think that any activity that diminished others' enjoyment of the concert shouldn't be allowed. Of course, this would ban talking (like all the talking during Milla's set when I saw her at Bogart's -- my Goddess, I think I was the only one listening) and smoking... on the other hand, maybe that wouldn't be so bad. :) - -- http://w3.one.net/~cinnamon/ cinnamon@one.net ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: An Indigo Girls question This weekend I was talking with a friend who felt people like Mary Chapin Carpenter and Lyle Lovett were just labeled country because of the kind of music they originally did, regardless of what they are doing now. (I dunno, MCC still sounds pretty country to me.) He felt a perfect example of this was the Indigo Girls. I thought he was crazy, pointing out that the early albums had a pretty rough edge, and I'd never seen them listed as country. He said "What about the song Nashville, where they talk about not being accepted as country artists?" I pointed out that the I-girls are from Athens, not Nashville, and I didn't think they had ever tried to go the country route, but rather came up out of the Athens scene. At this point he'd had enough and didn't want to talk to me anymore ;) but I went home and read the lyrics of Nashville, and had to wonder what it was refering to. Does anyone know the background on that song? (I'm not crazy about the rest of it either, am I?) Neal ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 16 May 95 11:52:38 EDT Subject: MSCL -- cancelled! So, like, I know most of you don't care, but after all the hoopla, abc but the kabosh on my so-called life, ostensibly because Clare Danes wanted out. I hear she is eloping with David Caruso -- I hope they both rot in the hollywood hills. :-( - -mjm ------------------------------ From: Dan Riley Date: Tue, 16 May 95 12:19:58 -0400 Subject: Re: spring sounds > Albums I associate with spring? The one album I *have* to play every spring is Yes' _Close to the Edge_. I imagine Happy would approve :-). - -dan ------------------------------ From: Rob Eubanks Date: Mon, 15 May 95 15:09:09 CDT Subject: Resubmit- Finished! At last! Hello! Not quite sure why this didn't make it to the list on Friday, but, here it goes again (with a few additions)! Date: Fri, 12 May 95 14:44:26 CDT From: Rob Eubanks Subject: Finished! At Last! Jeff wrote: >Should be fun, and it's a perfect way to celebrate the fact that I've >completed comps (pass or fail, doesn't matter...the concert is two hours Congrats on completing your comps! Hope you passed. (On that note . . . .) Yes, for this kid, it's graduation time! Yea! After 7 long years of blood, sweat and tears, fun, laziness and not a little procrastination, wonderful experiences, etc., etc., I'm finally graduating from law school! Where to from here? God only knows- I hope! Anyway, I'm not the real traditional type. While my friends go off to wallow in torts and family law,etc and to play Robert Shapiro, I'm hoping to become involved in international law, and ultimately to become involved with development in developing countries (I'm praying that I can be part of a process to help accomplish this in an environmentally sound way.) I'm also hoping to go on a NOLS semester course in Kenya within the next several years. Anyone ever been on one of these? (Oh, that's National Outdoor Leadership School- NOLS). Well, that's the good news. However, I will soon have to leave the enlightened and diverse company of ecto. Unfortunately, I haven't bought a home computer. Thus, the bad part about graduating, is that I'm going to soon lose my university computing accounts. :-( But, hopefully, in the not too distant future, I'll be able to rejoin you folks. I hope the ecto-mush will still be going strong. I was never able to connect from here, for some reason. Anyway, it sounds fun. There has been a lot of interesting discussion going on here, lately. Most especially, I like the thread on the nature or scope of "music". I guess I haven't considered it too much until lately. I've found myself agreeing with practically everyone. At this point, I'm pretty much in favor of the broader, more inclusive views. However, I think I find the "manipulating time/evoking a response" view a little too broad on one hand, and perhaps too narrow on the other. It does indeed include music, but it probably goes beyond that to include phenomena that most of us would not find to be music (Unless virtually everything is music). Also, does music have to evoke a response? Must it have an audience? Say we send the voice of Kate Bush to furthest reaches of the galaxy (which I suppose we've already begun doing), and it never reaches the perception of any other sentient consciousness which may or may not be out there. Has it lost its classification as music? But I do think that what we initially perceive to be random sounds can quickly become music. All it takes is a quick change of perspective. For example, a band from South America, "Altiplano" was here at UMC not too long ago. It was truly a unique experience for me. Their first song was introduced with the request that we the audience imagine ourselves to be somewhere in the Amazon Rainforest. He said, "Close your eyes, as you listen to the music..., and you're there. That's all it takes." I wasn't quite sure what to think, at first. Anyway, they started with music that most would recognize as South American style. But later, toward the middle (the song was about 25-30 minutes long) the song began to slowly intermingle sounds of nature, of the rainforest, and weave it into the music. Ultimately, these sounds were all that remained. The musicians reproduced these sounds entirely from instruments they had made, nothing electronic (well, with the exception of the microphones). They reproduced a cacophony of sounds: thunderstorm, rain, birds, wind through the trees, the gurgling water of a brook, and more. It was truly amazing. Then, they gradually wove the more traditional melodies back in. But not as the dominant theme. It was more like an accomp- anyment to the wind, birds, etc, which was perhaps meant to be the "true music". I did close my eyes during the performance. The music made it so very easy to see the various images of the rainforest unfold before my mind's eye, as though the artists performing on stage were in fact painters painting upon the canvas of my mind a musical mindscape of sound and imagery. If you ever get a chance to see these folks, I don't think you'll regret going. Well, I have to leave now. But I guess I'll leave by sharing my view that most everything here on this earth is part of a vast orchestra continually performing to the cosmos! Hmmm, maybe I do agree with the broad interpretation above, after all. Also, just as fractal geometry and the chaos theory have found repeating form and order within apparent randomness/disorder, maybe an equivalent concept can be found for the "random sounds" we hear every day. Music is mathematical at heart (yes, even in my heart), and just as theoretical mathematics has taken us into the 10th dimension, maybe music will be the physical vessel (i.e. the applied physics portion of what I'm getting at) to that dimension, as well. Well, these are just some of the ramblings of an itinerent philosopher turned lawyer, who sees he's getting in WAY over his head now :> . Better sign off. I think I'll try and stick around for a day or two before I leave ecto to see if any of you have any comments. ******************************************************************** >-jo- >(heheheh ::evil chuckle whilst I plan to play "The Wreck of the Edmund >Fitzgerald" several times at --r. ;D ) I think I'll go listen to "The Wreck ofof the Edmund Fitzgerald" now, too ;). It's kind of how I felt by Sunday. It was quite a weekend! :> ('tis an awesome song to be sure.) Or maybe, "Six Months in a Leaky Boat". . . . :D I guess I'll give it another few days before signing off. Later, all. - --Rob ------------------------------ From: cas9353@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Sherm) Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 13:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Moshing ... > > > Oy Boy.... oh, and when I saw TMBG a few weeks ago, they got pissed when > > people started moshing. > > Who opened for TMBG? Here in Cincinnati it was Soul Coughing, which was > (IMNSHO) an odd choice. The crowd got to moshing and crowd-surfing during > the opening set, and several people were hurt -- and my glasses were > broken, causing me to spend lots of money I didn't have replacing them > AND losing work. > I saw them at the HBB (Horizontal Boogie Bar) here in Racha-cha. A band called "Ivy" opened up for them. They are kinda... no.. *exactly* like a spinoff off the Cranberries. Their set was desent, with the exception that no one could hear the poor girl singing. She looked kinda scared to be up there... facing a croud of over 400 people, most of whom fit into the age range of 14-17. :) I was fortunate enough to get up front, right next to John who plays the accordian... wow... temporary heaven! :) Sherm The accordian lover... *grin* ------------------------------ From: itos@pavlov.psyc.queensu.ca (Steve Ito) Date: Tue, 16 May 95 13:46:41 EDT Subject: add Jewel to birthday list... Hi ecto-folk, and in particular, Mike Matthews! In the spirit of ecto, how about adding Jewel Kilcher to the birthday list? Her birthday is on May 23, and she is turning 21, so that puts her birth year at 1974, if my powers of subtraction haven't left me. I guess that would make her a Gemini. Or perhaps more appropriately, Jewel's sign should be "The Gem". ;-) Steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Ito, R.A. | "Good night, sleep well, I'll most likely Psychology Dept. | kill you in the morning." Queen's University | -- The Dread Pirate Roberts Kingston, ON, Can. | ------------------------------ From: "Lundgren, Chad" Date: Tue, 16 May 95 13:35:48 CDT Subject: Re: add Jewel to birthday list... >Hi ecto-folk, and in particular, Mike Matthews! > >In the spirit of ecto, how about adding Jewel Kilcher to the birthday list? >Her birthday is on May 23, and she is turning 21, so that puts her birth >year at 1974, if my powers of subtraction haven't left me. I guess that >would make her a Gemini. Or perhaps more appropriately, Jewel's sign should >be "The Gem". ;-) I'm older than Jewel???? Aw, cripes! I gotta get my butt in gear. Ever since high school I've been spinning my wheels. I hate it when people younger than myself have it together. Aw nuts! BTW, I'll be 22 on August 8th. I feel so old...;) Chad Chad Lundgren--------->lundgren_c@music.lib.matc.edu 2211 N. Newhall St. ************************************************* Milwaukee, WI 53202 *"Bumbie's mom is...AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!" * * -Skippy (Animaniacs) * *HUGS* and *PONGS* ************************************************* for all!!! * "Taz like Dingo" * * -Taz (Taz-Mania) * ************************************************* ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Tue, 16 May 95 15:28:13 EDT Subject: Re: Resubmit- Finished! At last! > Date: Fri, 12 May 95 14:44:26 CDT > From: Rob Eubanks > Subject: Finished! At Last! > > Jeff wrote: > > >Should be fun, and it's a perfect way to celebrate the fact that I've > >completed comps (pass or fail, doesn't matter...the concert is two hours > > Congrats on completing your comps! Hope you passed. Yes! Congrats from me too. Congrats to Neile too! I hate to admit that poetry is not my thang, but I admire anyone who follows their muse and get things done. Bye to Rob (join us again soon) and Hello to Courtney! Basically, bye to all those graduating or leaving for the summer, and hello to the new and recently de-lurked Ectophiles! And, of course, HAPPY BIRTHDAY and *HUG/GUH* to all. Vickie (the lazy but sincere one) ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 13:33:23 +0000 Subject: Re: Moshing ... Sherm wrote: > I saw them at the HBB (Horizontal Boogie Bar) here in Racha-cha. A band > called "Ivy" opened up for them. They are kinda... no.. *exactly* like > a spinoff off the Cranberries. Their set was desent, with the exception > that no one could hear the poor girl singing. She looked kinda scared > to be up there... facing a croud of over 400 people, most of whom fit > into the age range of 14-17. :) I went out and purchased ivy's 'realistic', and I would have to disagree about them being a spinoff. I have gotten fond of ivy, and truly enjoy it. I agree that some stuff may sound like Cranberries, but them are unique enough. -- Hold on, let me take out the Cure and put them in --- I've always wondered about people doing this within the written word. As if those people you are writing for care about the actual physical motions. Anyway, ivy's in, and if I had to compare them to the Cranberries, I would be more inclined to compare them to their first commercial release. I would also be inclined to throw in a comparison to The Sundays. I think I remember a past thread mentioning that this was the second "incarnation" of ivy? Did they release anything under previous "staffs"? Ohhh...a pun... Another small request... If there were any digests past #101, could someone send email them to me? Greg? I keep hearing "We'll have a 24hour connection soon. Trust us". So, until the time that "they" say we won't have one, then I'll keep using this account, and miss things. If we don't go 24 hours, then I'll just have to get my own, personal account. Just so I can keep getting ecto. Matt Bittner meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska ------------------------------ From: mapravat@prairienet.org (Mitchell A. Pravatiner) Date: Tue, 16 May 95 14:41:11 CDT Subject: Late afternoon with Mitch Pravatiner Jewel's appearance on Conan last night seems to have kindled more interest in her guitar on Conan's part than he has shown in anyone else's instrument that he's had on. Go figure. Anyone besides me see the irony that would inhere in getting Jerel's CD in a digipak, rather than a jewel box? :-) As one who's been known to wait for later buses rather than go through the moshing process enroute, I tend to wonder whether it would ever go well with an ecto-genre artist. :-) Check out today's Sun-Times if you're in Chicago. It has an interesting precis of the upcoming cover story on Courtney Love. Mitch ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Tue, 16 May 95 15:45:41 EDT Subject: A new account! To all who might want to make a note...I have a new account now. I'm not closing this one, so this address will still work for as long as it lasts, but I wanted an account in Chicago too, and now I have one. vickie@wwa.com (or vickie@miso.wwa.com) is my new permanent abode. I'll be splitting my mailing lists between the 2 accounts, with Ecto going both places (I couldn't do without Ecto in case one of the accounts went down!) so I'll be checking both accounts on a fairly regular basis. One of the many cool things about the new account is that it offers all full Internet accounts space for a Web Page, so one of these days I'll figure out how to get one up and running. Chris is experimenting with his (he has an acct there too: chrisw@wwa.com) so I'll let him do all the dirty work :-). I tend to think that if I can get interested in it, I can have a lot of cool things on a Web Page. For instance, Chris bought a scanner, so we can put up photographs and things. I would *love* to be able to upload some of my old radio shows, but that takes up way way way lots of space, so I don't know. We'll see how it goes. Vickie (the MUSH addict) ps: What do hearing impared people think music is? I don't know any myself. Meredith, have you talked to your sister about this topic? ------------------------------ From: cas9353@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Sherm) Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 17:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: A new account! WretchAwry wrote: > > ps: What do hearing impared people think music is? I don't know > any myself. Meredith, have you talked to your sister about this > topic? > I go to a school with a very large hearing impaired/deaf population, and to the many I've talked to about it, music is just vibrations. My friend Dan puts his hands up to my speakers and then forms an opinion about the music from "listening" to it. At deaf parties, they play the music very loud,.... loud enough to feel it. That is how many of my friends are. Then again, if you are just referring to Hearing Impaired people.... they can hear the music, just can't defferenciate between the words and the music. It also depends on the level of hearing loss. It's different for everyone. Sherm The fluent sign-languager of Ecto. :) ------------------------------ From: cas9353@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Sherm) Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 18:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Me and this incredible list! Hi all!! I guess you are wondering why there is so much activity coming from my corner today. I think this is going to be the forth mail message from me to the list in the past two days... and three of them in the past few hours. :) Hehehehe... I'm working in the compta lab for 7 straight hours, armed with a bunch 'o tapes to keep me company. And Happy is playing now! "Wrong Century"... a mix tape of Happy that Brian made me. (Hello Brian!!! I mailed you, but no answer... are you still out there, or did production work swallow you up?) So, as I'm listening to my music, I'm going through my back issues of Ecto-mail. Do you really wanna know how many I have *left*? I have over 400 sitting in my received box, and in my spooled box are about 30. I'd say at least 250 are still not looked at. I just have not had the time..... I'm getting to them though,... I read the new ones ASAP, and am playing with the older ones to try to get this mailbox a bit roomier. oh... I'm loosing this account this summer, because the school is changing platforms. Who do I mail to get my address changed to go to my other account. (Not sure which account I want it to go to yet... got a bunch). As a side note..... is anyone here going to be attending the Friendship Festival on 1 July in Fort Erie, ON? I'd like to get together with any ectophiles, since it seems I only know myself. I have not met ANYONE who knows who Happy is. :( That will change in a few weeks when I get my own radio show. *grin* Enough rambling, ... for now. Sherm The keeper of cheese and lover of rain. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #110 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu