From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #107 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, 13 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 107 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Sainty Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 16:38:39 +1200 Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes > I have a friend who is a big fan. Hasn't listened to anything else > for about a year! Is this where we get in touch? Well you won't get directly in touch with Happy, but you'll meet plenty of other fans :) Welcome to Ecto! If you don't mind me asking, how did you and your friend hear of Happy? Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ ectophil@comp.vuw.ac.nz - -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 16:55:46 +1200 Subject: Rhodeways survey! I just thought I'd remind those folks who might have forgotten about it that the Rhodeways survey from issue four needs to be returned to Sharon by May 25 at the latest, so if you've not filled it in yet, don't forget to do so! Don't forget to re-subscribe too :) (for those who started with issue one) Philip (who was extremely glad that issue four made it to him at all, given the "mis-sent to Malaysia" stamp on the envelope!!!) ps. Jeff W: Your photos look _wonderful_ in the fanzine!!! Wow! "Well the whole story evolves from the fact that I was being raised by wolves until the age of five" (Misc. quote :) ------------------------------ From: FoghornJ@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 01:09:43 -0400 Subject: WPKN..Sally O..Eno..etc I'm sure others have this covered, but I for one will be taping WPKN for this upcoming Happy on WPKN thing. I only found out about it here, I have yet to hear a PKN promo, but that's only coz I recently fixed my car cassette deck and haven't listened to PKN 'smuch as I usually do... (couldn't have survived the year without tape but for PKN!) Since I don't know the exact time or format or much else about it, I'll set up a 6-hour HiFi VHS for 6 pm to midnite.. that ought cover it (PKN's shifts are usually 4 hrs tops). If it comes out OK I'll make the first cassete dub and ship it to that tape dubbin' dude guy... (Unfortunately, WPKN reception, not to mention my ability to remember names, is affected by the weather). Way behind on my lurking here, somebody mentioned Sally Oldfield, Mike's sister, and I just thought I'd mention that a few years ago I found a CD reissue of hers - "The Collection" (CD dated 1986) - that's got a nice selection of tunes from her albums. To the person who wanted to appreciate more Brian Eno music, or to people like her, I for one highly recommend you borrow or buy a copy of Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy), which I think is Eno at his best. Incidentally, since you mention the anagrammatic possibilities of his short name, he tells a little story about how fans of one of his band efforts, 801, figured they named the band after a sort of acronym of his name, eg Eight-Nought-One, which he says is a connection that had never even occured to him (despite the lyrics of the song The True Wheel: We are the 801, we are the central hub). More than enuff said. (en-off?) fog ------------------------------ From: Feline/human combo Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 17:46:34 +1200 (NZST) Subject: Old Peculier (was Re: Melanie and Max) On Thu, 11 May 1995, Martin G Bridges wrote: > Hi all, > The name of the beer is 'Old Peculier' (note spelling) and it is brewed by > Theakston's of Masham, North Yorkshire, as opposed to Morley, which is just > outside Leeds and whose only point of interest is a railway tunnel. Dunno > what the song is tho. Keith Marsden wrote it. He was a composer from Morley, in the 1940's I think. He wrote a lot of songs about mills, mines, and the war. I have a tape somewhere, I think... Most of the stuff on the tape I have are a-capella with single or groups of singers. Some have a small accompaniment (accordion, oboe, etc.). The song "A pint of Old Peculier" is about the seasons and the various alcoholic beverages you can have at different times of year, but as the chorus goes: "A pint of old, a pint of old, A pint of old Peculier There's one drink all seasons round, A pint of Old Peculier." There are some rather entertaining songs on the same tape... if I can find it, I'll send a few over to Doug for the tape tree. :) No, they're not precisely ecto-fodder, but will appeal to people with a sense of humour. :) Urs :) - -- Urs Stafford (stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz, whiskers@mu.sans.vuw.ac.nz) Mail any answers to stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz please! [qlc] ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 03:45:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Jane Siberry sings tv...? re: the London Life teevee commercial. For what it's worth I heard it today too, over at my folks' place plantsitting if there is such a word. (plant maintaining?) Anyway the ad was a slick and manipulative emotional piece - full of cosy images presumably intended to make me feel that insurance companies really *care* about me. Anyway after half a minute of that I just closed my eyes and listened to the music instead. It sounded very Siberrian indeed. No strong melodies, but it had three or four voices layered in pleasant harmonies. If it ain't Ms. Siberry it's a jolly good imitation! Quite nice. - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * nkg@helix.net 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 06:50:47 -0400 Subject: Re: sailing songs Just got a few for the thread, and look no further than a recent HBP (HGP?) for Gentle Giant's "His Last Voyage". For better fidelity, check out their CD "Free Hand". While it is a neat song, the subject matter may not exactly be, um, uplifting ... it's about a person going down with his ship, but it's actually about fate and how we all do what we have to do... Perhaps a cheerier selection might be "Turn Off The Bubble Machine" by Stan Freberg. This Lawrence Welk takeoff ends with the Aragon Ballroom overfilling on bubbles and drifting off to sea. While it was rather funny, the selection may not exactly be, um, a song...more of a comedy piece with incidental music. Helpful as always, Robert Lovejoy PS I do remember seeing a cartoon in the late 50's or early 60's in which a small child made a paper boat and paper sailor and turned them loose in a pool. As the paper became waterlogged, and heavy waves rocked the craft, a loony upbeat song rang out: "Yo Ho! Yo Ho! A' Sailin Over The Sea! Yo Ho! Yo Ho! The sailor's life is for me!" This continued as the boat sank. I laughed my head off, falling on the floor. You had to be there, I guess. Oh well, back to Gentle Giant... ;) ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 05:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Happy places happy places? there's a chinse restaurant here in vancouver called happy, or the happy, or big happy or some other name with happy in it (can't remember at the moment) i've never eaten at it, but it catches my eye everytime i go by, 'cause i think of happy rhodes :) damon \__________________________ _____________________________________/ \ _/\_ / Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "How long 'till my soul gets it right? nomad@helix.net \ / can any human being ever reach nomad@acca.nmsu.edu |/||\| that kind of light?" Damon_Harper@real.life `' - Indigo Girls, "Galileo" ------------------------------ From: "steve (s.l.) fagg" Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:13:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Melanie and Max In message "Re: Melanie and Max", 'anthony@xymox.apana.org.au' writes: >Michael said: (massive nested quote alert!!! :-) >> came from. I like all those other beers you mention, but lately I can't get >> enough of the *canned* Guinness Pub Draft Stout. They insert some kind of >> plastic cartridge in the can that releases when opened; puts a great head >> on it and the flavor is amazing. New product; must be hell on the aluminum >> recyclers! > >It's been available for a few years here (and, I assume, in England and >Ireland). The can design won awards; many other manufacturers have ripped off >the basic idea. And as a Guinness fan, I can assure you that you're >completely right; the self-draught Guiness in a can is the best tasting >Guinness you'll drink outside of an Irish pub; this has been verified for me >by three unconnected visting Irishmen. :) Pity it costs A$3.70 per can... I can confirm that the canned Draught Guinness has been available in England for several years, and is indeed wonderous stuff. I agree about its being the best tasting Guiness outside of an Irish pub, with the one proviso: there are certain pubs in London where one can enjoy Dublin-brewed Guinness rather than the local imitation. Fortunately in these parts the price per can is just a tad more reasonable! >Incidentally, I'm told that the gas used in the cans is Nitrogen... (!!!). This is correct. And so it should be, since Draught Guinness is dispensed by Nitrogen (as opposed to CO2) in pubs. And while we're on the subject of beer, my thanks to Martin for jumping in and supplying the corrections regarding OP! :-) - -- Steve Fagg a.k.a. Nightwol ( 'phone: +44-1279-402437 ) ( s.l.fagg@bnr.co.uk (work) nightwol@dircon.co.uk (home) ) *** We tried to add it all up and got merely sunrise. *** *** Try putting that in a letter to someone in exile. *** ------------------------------ From: Michael Colford Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 08:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: happy peppy upbeat music. On Wed, 10 May 1995, wombat toga party wrote: > not sure where the velocity girl comparison comes from, though. then > again, the only thing by velocity girl i've heard since the "my > forgotten favorite" single is the "sorry again" single. one of these > days... Well, I'm only familiar with their Simpatico album, but I find the two bands very similar. They've both got that male female vocal combination. They both have a guitar oriented sound (albeit Velocity girl leans more to the crunchy rock and Reivers/Zeitgeist more toward the jangly folky rock). I've seen the Reivers live several times and the comparison works better in a live setting. They also both write incredibly catchy pop with intelligent, thoughtful lyrics. The Reivers songs are practically poetry set to music! (In my humble opinion). Gosh, I really miss them. Not so sure about the TPOH comparison though. I see your point, but I guess the difference is more in the song content. Also, TPOH is basically male vocal driven, while Reivers is more of a mix. Like all three bands though. Michael By the way, have to agree with the comments on woj's godliness. He is a font of musical information and very generous with sending out tapes. ------------------------------ From: "R. N. Dominick" Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 08:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sailing songs > There's always "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" by Gordon Lightfoot... I have a confession to make... ever since I posted this message last night, the song has been running through my head -- but with the lyrics to Suzanne Vega's "Bad Wisdom" instaed -- still sung by Gordon Lightfoot! Arrrrrgh! Help? - -- http://w3.one.net/~cinnamon/ cinnamon@one.net ------------------------------ From: Michael J Loftus Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 10:00:03 -0400 Subject: Victoria Williams & Jewel concert - Buffalo, NY Just heard about this one: Victoria Williams will perform at Network in Buffalo, Ny on Monday May 22 (that's Victoria Day - how appropriate). Jewel is the opening act. Tickets are an unbelievably low $9.00. Call Prime Seats at (716) 847-1688 to order. I'm not sure if these are available anywhere outside of Buffalo. Mike Loftus mjl9466@cs.rit.edu mloftus@interramp.com ------------------------------ From: kcd@romulus.cray.com (Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV}) Date: Fri, 12 May 95 09:17:56 CDT Subject: Happy confession Hi again folks! I hate to admit it, but I'm a relative newcomer to Happy's music. I've had RhodeSongs for about a year now and find that I like it more and more as time goes by. As a matter of fact I'm listening to it right now. :-) Aren't portable CD players great? The whole disc is great but if I were to list a few favorite selections... hmmm... I guess probably "Feed The Fire" (both versions), "I Say", "If So", and "Ashes to Ashes". To get familiar with Happy, RS was a good place to start. I think someone over on FTE actually recommended this. A belated thanks to whoever that was! Vickie most likely. Anyway, on to my question. The CD sleeve makes a note that, and I quote, "Lastly, it must be noted that for the sake of continuity, all these selections depict the quieter side of an artist whose range is unbounded..." Hmmm. So does this imply that Happy's other albums have a different sound and feel? And that the versions of the songs on RS are mainly acoustic renditions much like Sarah McLachlan's "Freedom Sessions"? What would be a good next album to try out? Probably "Ecto", huh? ;-) Well, I hope these questions haven't been beaten around here multiple times before, but if so, thanks for your patience. Have a nice weekend everybody! Kev ------------------------------ From: fleur@iglou.com (Joanna Phillips) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 18:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: sailing A really *nice* Gordon Lightfoot song about sailing is "Christian Island", which you can find on his "Gord's Gold Volume II" CD (Warner Bros.). It's about a pretty, reliable vessel that's a good friend who takes him to nice places . - -jo- (heheheh ::evil chuckle whilst I plan to play "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" several times at --r. ;D ) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joanna M. Phillips | "...And into midnight's tapestry she fades ragged fleur@iglou.com | and wild/Hunting down her ancestry in the costume fleur@genie.geis.com | of a Persian child." -- Joan Baez ------------------------------ From: Jacob Paul Leonard Date: Fri, 12 May 95 13:49:00 M Subject: RE: sailing songs Jeff Burka wrote: >I'm basically looking for stuff mentioning sailing, but in a >positive light. "Thousands are Sailing" by the Pogues might >be usable, but "Turkish Song of the Damned" probably isn't. > >So whaddya think, folks, any thoughts? hey...what about "Sailing" by Christopher Cross...that one just reaks of nostalgia...I love it...it's really happy too...see ya -Jacob Paul Leonard ...I was a girl too... ------------------------------ From: Cheri Villines Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 17:40:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: more sails a very kind soul sent along the following info, which i am including complete rather than try to retype it all. :) - ------- I strongly recomend you contact Outer Green Records for "Closer To the Wind" album by Schooner Fare. The trio has been recording sailing songs for over 15 years and appeared with Julie Gold (a Nanci favorite) a few years ago. The small catalog I have has a score of similar recordings by mostly New England and Canadian artists. The last phone # was (207) 743-0413. Tell them what type of songs your looking for and I'm sure they can supply them. - ------- i asked some friends on another list for some song ideas and here is what they came up with. 1. anything by Gordon Bok 2. Kate Wolf "Safe at Anchor" 3. Guy Clark's cd "Boats to Build", contains several songs about sailing 4. Darden Smith's "Red Sky" 5. David Wilcox "Come Away to Sea" "sail around this sound far away from shore come away to sea, my friend sail your heart once more" dream well on the tossing sea for life has little to do with ease cheri ------------------------------ From: jwaite@popmail.ucsd.edu (Jerene Waite) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 18:53:10 -0700 Subject: [none] >Stephanie was wondering if Jill Souble *was* or *wasn't*... I don't know, >she might be bi . . or just writing about it in her song. Do we know for sure that Jill is a *she*? - --Jerene - ----------------------------------------------- Cherish the cycle; Freedom in time. --Happy Rhodes - ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Feline/human combo Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 15:27:32 +1200 (NZST) Subject: At a party last night... ...I played my copy of "Coma" to the other people there. There were a lot of positive comments, and much handing round of the cover. Apparently it's being played on radio stations here now. I mentioned that she is an Australian artist, and that her album's coming out here on Monday. Heaps of people were interested, too :) Perhaps you could pass on these comments to Max when you next see her, Anthony? :) Urs :) - -- Urs Stafford (stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz, whiskers@mu.sans.vuw.ac.nz) Mail any answers to stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz please! [qlc] ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 01:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Swans Thought I'd flesh out the info on the Swans a bit. I only have a snapshot though, not the full picture. (Count yourselfves quite lucky, as I rambled on pretty long anyway.) I've got Children of God, which is a 1987 release. It's very dark and gloomy, with lead singer Michael Gira singing these very slow, very anguished dirges, sometimes to pre-industrial beats, but usually longer and more gracefull. The occasional contribution of female singer Jarboe made for a haunting counterpoint. She has a cool and smooth demeaner, perhaps something like Nico but with a fuller voice. Her songs would be considered gloomy, except that they seem so much lighter compared to the Gira sung songs. I know there are older albums (Screw, Money) which are supposed to be even harsher sounding. I just found in a CD book that there first album was Filth, from 1983. They did indeed cover Joy Division's "Love Will Tear Us Apart," in an even slower and gloomier form than the original. I missed the edginess of the JD version though. I have a tape of "the burning world." Can't remember the year on that. It's got a beautiful Maplethorpe flower photo on the cover, which fits the music well. Beautiful, but stark, against a black background. Some of the songs actually have slightly uplifting titles (saved, the river that runs with love won't run dry), but don't be misled. The emotions here are the same. Some of the edge has been taken off the music, but it actually makes it more effective, more haunting. Jarboe does a beautifully mournful version of Can't Find My Way Back Home, almost unrecognizalble from it's Traffic (?) original. 1991's Love of Life found them adding tv or radio snippets as song segues, and lightening the sound and gloom. Their are more musicians, and the sound is more varied, though Jarboe has fewer songs. (Sorry, haven't listened to this one too much, though I do like it.) Perhaps Jarboe's minimal contribution to LoL can be attributed to her working on Thirteen Masks, a solo album that came out in 1992. It's all over the map, with some of the haunting moodiness of her Swans songs and wild and unnerving freak-outs. There is a lot of emotional intensity on the album, and I find it scarier than any of the Swans discs I have. I haven't heard the more recent stuff, but I do recall seeing a few discs by a band whose name escapes me, that featured Jarboe. I had planned to ask here about it, but forgot. Oh well. And if anyone still cares, I have a mildly amusing Swans story. The first day of my cross country trip was supposed to be spent hiking with Jeff Hanson in the Anza Borego Desert, outside San Diego. (We had camped out there the night before.) This didn't exactly happen, as we managed to get both of our cars stuck on a very sandy road. The stereo in mine was playing the gloomy strains of Children of God, while I dug Jeff out. It continued on while I worked on my car. Jeff suggested that the evil sounding music was the cause of our problems, but when I turned it off, I was still stuck. I think he was right though.... The Swans are not what you want to be listening to when you are stuck in the desert. Oh, and someone in a 4WD truck came by and pulled me out. Ok, I'm done now.... Neal ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 03:30:13 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Steve Fagg (S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk) ********************* ******************* Karel Zuiderveld (karel@cv.ruu.nl) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Urs Stafford Thu May 31 1973 Give Way Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset Alex Gibbs Thu June 08 1967 Betelgeuse Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini Chris Montville Tue June 13 1978 Gemini - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 03:10:35 -0700 Subject: Re: At around 6:53 PM on 5/12/95, Jerene Waite wrote: >>Stephanie was wondering if Jill Souble *was* or *wasn't*... I don't know, >>she might be bi . . or just writing about it in her song. > >Do we know for sure that Jill is a *she*? The photos on the Atlantic Records promo Web page show a person who looks generally female, for what it's worth. - Neil K. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #107 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu