From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #106 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 12 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 106 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Mendelson Date: 11 May 95 11:58:21 EDT Subject: reivers To answer woj -- zeitgeist became the reivers after someone else took the name and became more famous. I don't have anything by zeitgeist -- did they put out any albums under that name? I have all but one (Sat.) of the 4 reivers cds, sat. I have a tape of but would love to find a used copy of the cd. BTW, I saw them right before they broke up and they were so awesome. TPOH? Yes, definitely some similarity, but they are also very much in their own territory. Reivers are more pastoral and descriptive and figurative and cynical and melancholy. And overall better, more consistent writing. TPOH are also cynical but somewhat idealistic and a bit less lyrical and more literal. And the biggest diff is the 4 reivers CD are consistently fantastic whereas after a great Todd-produced debut (Love Junk w/ nec. extra track on CD), TPOH went from mediocre 2nd album to unlistenable 3rd album (appropriately titled the Downward Road -- weird title, ay), though tam says they are about to come out with a decent 4th. The dark-haired woman who sang on Love Junk and toured briefly (I forget her name, Lisa something?) apparently is in her own band now in Canada which I forget the name of but would like to be reminded by someone now. The Love Junk tour was great, even though Moe was sick when I saw them. - -mourningthelossofthereiversmjm ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 12:34:46 +0000 Subject: Re: zeitgeist & mr. lovett From Kevin Dekan > And Laurel mentioned yet another Texas connection: > > > Ooooh. That Lyle Lovett song ... I can never remember the exact title, > > but the chorus begins... > > > And if I had a boat, I'd go out on the ocean > > And if I had a pony, I'd ride him on my boat... > > > One of the greatest songs, really. I swear. Makes me smile every time. > > Yepper! I can never remember the song title either but I believe it's > off his _Pontiac_ album. Definately one of my favorite Lyle Lovett > songs. He is from Texas isn't he?? Sheesh my memory sure is going to > pot lately! > > > But then Lyle Lovett is just one of the coolest folks around, IMHO. > > I would share that opinion with you. You got to be cool to wear your > hair like that! :-) If my memory serves, it's called "If I Had a Pony". And yes, he his from Texas. Had the advantage of seeing him last summer for his "I Love Everybody" tour. He's wonderful live. And yes, the light-of-his-life-at-that-moment was in the front row. The only CD's I need are "Joshua Judges Ruth" and "I Love Everybody". Although some of his songs can be "twangy", he's a wonderful artist. The radio station in Des Moines, KFMG, always announced him as "Lyle Lovett and his Large Hair". Such a great - and appropriate - opening. Definitely one of my all-time favorite male artists. Matt Bittner meba@cso.com Omaha, Nebraska ------------------------------ From: HYAMS@alpha.nsula.edu Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:29:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: A refinement on the music/nature thread Hi all, I enjoyed Robert's essay on what is music and all. just like to add my 2 pfennig... The first thing I'd like to say is that my music, art, verse and sculpture is/are all one thing... sculpture. I have a masters in fine arts and a couple of undergraduates and I spent a lot of time on this (especially through thesis, eek!) My definition for the "artworks" I create? Sculpture, because I think of creations in multiple dimensions. My animations are in 3-D environments, performance art is in all dimensions including time and space and etc. Catch the meaning? My primary and most immediate medium for self expression is music (aural sculpture), so I consider myself a musician as a subdirectory of being a sculptor/artist. Now, I've a CD out (international dub corps "wonder where you are") and am currently working in the studio on "peer" so this brings us to two important points from the creator's side of things... 1) many artists consider the actual creation of an artwork to be the "art" ie: when the piece is completed it ceases to grow and be a living artwork. This is where the audience takes over and gives interest and interpretation. There are tons of discussion angles on this. (I've had my share of art theory survey courses, and would mind telling former professors to shut the hell up) 2) as robert mentioned with "the ego stepping back and allowing the soul to step forward in performance..." I am totally addicted and in love with the feeling of ecstacy that musicians sometime experience during inspired performances. In the past, 5 hour IDC gigs have felt like 30 minutes. I've felt like my eyes roll back in my head and I just kinda float away. yeah, love it. And no, drugs to be seen. so, how does this add to the discussion? well, if the audience feels emotion and strong feelings/connections to something... it could be a pretty rock... it could be most anything that the experiencee values - it then is valuable and can be considered art. a person could then say that, in parallel to "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", the view of art and value is entirely up to you. and as far as music is concerned? well, I hear music that I consider absolute noise all the time. But, I would not push my opinions on others simply because I have no doubt the person that created the piece I consider crap would probably call it his/her child. And most likely a very satisfying expression of his/her self. And GREAT! What's life for anyhow? To learn. To experience the good over the bad. To feel. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tschuess! {8-> | "...I see red/sleek and bare/suits will die collier hyams | /their lives false/I will shave my head/before hyams@alpha.nsula.edu | parting at the ear/I will shave my head..." http://rever.nmsu.edu/~maldrin/idc/idc.html | international dub corps ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:31:11 -0500 Subject: re: lyle lovett Like I said, Lyle Lovett is one of the coolest people around. All of his albums are good. Tho they vary in mood and style quite a bit. Sometimes the instrumentation is a bit too twangy for my tastes, but the songwriting is so solid that I forgive it. I prefer the large band sound of Lyle. I never knew what he saw in Julia. He was too good for her*, IMHO. Maybe I just got fed up with the press picking on him and calling him "the ugliest man in show business." Jeez. Years ago, I'd wander into the country music section of record stores to buy stuff by Lyle Lovett, k.d. lang, Nanci Griffith, and Mary Chapin-Carpenter. Funny, now they're all shelved in other sections of the store or in a couple of places. (Now you can find them under "adult contemporary" or "rock"-- sometimes they're still in the country section as well...) Lyle's still my fave. Doesn't fit any category in particular. Laurel Krahn /// lakrahn@iw.net Director of Operations /// 800.386.IWAY Iway Internet Services /// info@iw.net Sioux Falls, South Dakota /// http://www.iw.net/ ------------------------------ From: HYAMS@alpha.nsula.edu Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:44:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: engineering concerning the mastering bit. yeah,!!! whew, the last cd I had mastered ended up bizarrely. I asked for extended dynamic range and when I recieved the cd it seemed like it was recorded to low... well, the fact is that everything is a trade-off. If you want the dynamics you sacrifice level. If you want level - you kill dynamics, but! most people will pick a loud cd over a dynamic cd 3-1. It's definitely difficult to enjoy dynamics (such as classical music) in a car. And loud just sounds better. another thing... with the digital noise floor being so incredibly low... totally inspired analog recordings that are incorporated into digital mastering and mixing just poke all out like sore thumbs with stingray barbs. I've been running into this alot, I'm sorry to say. Especially with my dats and digital harddrive recording and my analog gear. and talk about a nightmare! I'm primarily an ambient textural guitarist - do you know what nice beautiful (if noisy) guitar sounds sound like in the digital realm? noisy! I hate noise! (unless used creatively of course) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tschuess! {8-> | "...I see red/sleek and bare/suits will die collier hyams | /their lives false/I will shave my head/before hyams@alpha.nsula.edu | parting at the ear/I will shave my head..." http://rever.nmsu.edu/~maldrin/idc/idc.html | international dub corps On Thu, 11 May 1995 MattMiz@aol.com wrote: > >>>Oh, I do have another complaint about FtE: The engineering is pretty > >bad; there's quite a bit of noise and the distortion of Sarah's voice > >is pretty terrible on a track like "Ice" > > The whole thing was recorded at too high a level, for sure. Way back when > woj had his copy of the new Canadian release I tried to make a tape dub of > it for myself on my fixed-level portable deck, and the tape was completely > saturated from start to finish. At the time I thought it was some evil plot > to prevent us Yanks from making dubs of the elusive Canadian-only release > before Arista got its act together, but now I know it was just bad engineer- > ing. :)<< > > As an engineer myself and a big fan of Pierre Marchand's work, esp. on FTE I > feel compelled to comment just a bit here. > > First, the high level on certain versions in actuality has nothing to do with > engineering; this is a fault at the mastering stage - so you can blame the > mastering engineer perhaps but not the recording engineer. > > Second, as for the "distortion and noise" I know that there were certain > "dirty" bits all over the album that Pierre did not dare replace for the > simple fact that the take was just too strong and he did'nt want to spend > hours trying to recreate an emotion or particular nuance. If you listen > carefully you will find lots of this type of things on a lot of this type of > music (e.g. Swamp Ophelia by IG is a technical nightmare in some spots with > the headphones turned up). > > Just my .02 of course. > > :) > > plh, > Matt > ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Thu, 11 May 95 15:52:19 EDT Subject: The south done rose again _Mirabile dictu_, yesterday's lag seems to be entirely that--yesterday's. The lag on Prairienet got heavy again just before the one-hour limit on sessions was to kick in, but I managed to get yesterday's post sent just under the wire. As always, I managed to forget something I was meaning to talk about. For some reason, I am feeling fatigued at the moment and have taken refuge in IRC, now that I have an account at an IRC site again. I am somewhow a bit bemused that the current downtme on the MUSH room has not led to any sort of revival of #ecto. Has the lively art of Real-time conversation become dependent for us on the additional bells and whistles that the rooms and objects offer? WRT the ecto.domain looming on the net.horizon: Perhaps the ecto gift shop in the new, improved 'shroom should sell accounts on the Walking Tosternet among its wares :-). To put all the ambiguity to rest: that well-regarded Austin band arrived on earth as Zeitgeist, and turned into the Reivers later. The discussion of the latest catalog from Doug the other day reminded me: It won't be long before Happy hits the Big THREE.OH in August; it is not too early to start thinking about what you will contribute to the upcoming edition of the Happy Birthday Project. (Which will ultimately be included in Doug's catalog, hence the trigger mechanism :-). ) Further info on all this will be posted to these pages in the not-too-distant future. Let's make this extra-special edition of our musical festschrift series the best ever. (/me watches the cliche meter go off the scale--see what happens when my interests in IRC and WNN collide? :-) ) WRT somebody's suggestion of Happy's "SOS" in Jeff's sailing collection: Seems to me that the rational nexus is there only if you view the term "starship" as having more importance to the concept (as in Mr. Boffo's proverbial "someone unclear on the") in its second syllable than its first one. Otherwise it would make about as much sense to include ABBA's "SOS" in the compilation :-). Welcoming Court back to the fold. _Mirabile dictu_, I am finishing just as the lag is getting heavy again. Back to facing the uptick in the heat outside. Mitch ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: sailing songs I guess Gavin Bryars's _The Sinking of the Titanic_ is right out, eh? :) All this talk of sea-songs calls to mind one of my favorite "new age" albums: _Sea and Sky_ by Stomu Yamashta. Apart from a section of rather dull jazz, it's a wonderful record with soaring strings and lotsa vintage electronics. I think it came out in about '84 on Kuckuck Records. No idea if it's still in print. As for the "what is music?" thread, one of my favorite sayings is: "Art is what other people find profound." Same goes for music. But sometimes it's not the sounds themselves that are profound, it's the method by which the sounds are created (witness some of Steve Reich's early work). Still music to me. D^2 ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 18:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: zeitgeist/reivers On Thu, 11 May 1995, Mitchell A. Pravatiner wrote: > > To put all the ambiguity to rest: that well-regarded Austin band arrived > on earth as Zeitgeist, and turned into the Reivers later. > Well, almost to rest. To perhaps finish it off, I'll add (or reiterate) that the Zeitgeist album "Translate Slowly" was re-released after they turned into the Reivers. So that exact same record exists by both the Reivers and Zeitgeist. I believe it was only released on disc by The Reivers. Neal ------------------------------ From: "Chandra L. Sriram" Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 18:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: sailing songs what about all about eve's martha's harbor, or heidi berry's below the waves? chandra ------------------------------ From: Cheri Villines Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 18:43:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: sailing songs how about nanci griffith, if she is not too twangy for your dad? :) i wish i was the gulf stream water and i could sail you home .... i would sail you home to your texas coast - -"fragile" from Flyer and the sailors on the water they all want the captain's daughter they want her beauty and her youth to grace their bow out on the sea - -"goodnight to a mother's dream" from flyer also, she does a great version of "boots of spanish leather" on Other Voices, Other Rooms. on Storms, she does a song called "leaving the harbor", but my tape is broken and i don't remember the words. title sounds promising, though. :) good luck with the tape cheri ------------------------------ From: "R. N. Dominick" Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 21:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ...I might be catching up! ...well, I figured that fooling about with networking and PPP and SLIP and stuff in this silly beta of Win95 might be a good time to get used to some of those CDs I've bought but just haven't listened to yet. (I think that it was the assignment I'd had for a while that let me listen to new music quite often -- it was just data entry and they let me play CDs. Now, I have a job I have to pay attention to and these new musics just kind of ... sit.) So, as a first stab at catching up, I threw Jill Sobule's new CD in the player. I'd bought it after seeing the extremely-cute video for "I Kissed a Girl" on MTV -- and if I hadn't at that point, I probably would have after reading that article recently posted here (thanks, whomever that was! I've been half-sick for a few weeks, so can't remember... sigh...) At any rate, I like it! A balance of silly songs and cool songs, nice rhythm and music... a good buy. I've been here all this time, but just not talking. Sometimes I have to wonder about my out-going mail connection, because any personal replies I've been doing to ecto messages have gone without answers. Ah, well... Hoping to see this on ecto... - --r. - -- http://w3.one.net/~cinnamon/ cinnamon@one.net ------------------------------ From: mklprc@teleport.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 18:20:39 -0700 Subject: Happy Bowl WRT the "happy" businesses being spotted around the country, here is one: a Bento joint called "Happy Bowl." This place has been in business for some years now, with four or five outlets in Portland. For the culinarily deprived, "Bento" is a Japanese fast-food dish consisting of rice, sauce, chicken/beef/pork and/or vegetables in a plastic bowl. Good, relatively healthful lunch for only about $3. They have been popping up like 'shrooms here in the Northwest. Wonder if the Hapster has had one... go well with a bottle of saki from Happy Liquors (who probably never heard of saki). Oh well, there's always beef jerky and a shot of Jack Daniels. Or not. mp - -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you. | | mklprc@aol.com | Knowledge for the pupil -er- people. | | mklprc@teleport.com | Give them a light and they'll | | "annoying Xists since 1966" | follow it anywhere! -- Firesign | - --------------------------->((^o0o^))<---------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 21:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: tpoh / Universal Honey MM> TPOH went from mediocre 2nd album to unlistenable 3rd album MM> (appropriately titled the Downward Road -- weird title, ay), MM> though tam says they are about to come out with a decent 4th. MM> The dark-haired woman who sang on Love Junk and toured briefly MM> (I forget her name, Lisa something?) apparently is in her own MM> band now in Canada which I forget the name of but would like MM> to be reminded by someone now. The Love Junk tour was great, MM> even though Moe was sick when I saw them. The band you're thinking of is called Universal Honey, and the album is called The Mgic Basement. It's great, I'm sure you'd like it, very upbeat and melodic with great vocal harmony. The girl from TPOH who sings for this band, and also plays guitar is Leslie Stanwick. Ex-TPOHer Johnny Sinclair plays bass. BY THE WAY... I posted a message to this list a few days ago to say hi to everyone since I'm new here, but I didn't see it show up. So in case Mr. Mojodomo messed up somehow....hi. Great place! Dan - ------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.niagara.com St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 21:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: sailing songs Nautical Disaster by The Tragically Hip? Now there's some happy inspiration for you... - ------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.niagara.com St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ From: MarcS55901@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 21:57:45 -0400 Subject: Happy Rhodes I have a friend who is a big fan. Hasn't listened to anything else for about a year! Is this where we get in touch? ------------------------------ From: Jacob Paul Leonard Date: Thu, 11 May 95 20:03:00 M Subject: RE:sailing songs >Nautical Disaster by The Tragically Hip? Now there's some happy >inspiration for you... "Titanic Terarium" by TTH also...disaster, disaster disaster... ------------------------------ From: "R. N. Dominick" Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 23:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sailing songs > >Nautical Disaster by The Tragically Hip? Now there's some happy > >inspiration for you... > "Titanic Terarium" by TTH also...disaster, disaster > disaster... There's always "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" by Gordon Lightfoot... - -- http://w3.one.net/~cinnamon/ cinnamon@one.net ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Fri, 12 May 95 00:26:38 -0400 Subject: free cranberries show in DC (and other stuff) Hey, folks... Heard on the radio this evening that next Monday at noon, the cranberries will be doing an acoustic set at the Sylvan Theater (the bandshell just SE of the Washington Monument...yeah, Dolores will be singing her heart out to all the idiot tourists in line for the Monument who won't know what they're hearing... :-) Should be fun, and it's a perfect way to celebrate the fact that I've completed comps (pass or fail, doesn't matter...the concert is two hours after the ending time for the exam). Nevermind that at noon I'm *ought* to be on campus for a pizza luncheon to meet a faculty candidate. Maybe I'll be back on campus in time for his seminar at 3:00... - --------- Thanks to all the folks who've been pouring in sailing songs. I'm *really* curious about all the folks suggesting stuff about sinking ships -- sort of morbid to begin with, nevermind my original post mentioned that that was pretty unsuitable subject matter (eg my "Turkish Song of the Damned" comment...) - --------- I'm listening to Wim Mertens' _No Testament_ EP, trying to decide if I should use something from it for a kite ballet in two weeks, and I was wondering if anybody understood the lyrics to the piece "Stretti." I gather that the song is a musical pun (stretto refers to a fugue with voices following close succession...and that's mostly what the piece consists of) and I was wondering if the pun was taken to a third level in the lyrics. - --------- Speaking of kite ballet, there's going to be a huge stunt kite competition and general kite festival in Wildwood, NJ in two weeks (Memorial Day weekend) if anyone is interested in dropping by. I'll be competing in three ballet events (though frankly I probably won't have actually attempted to choreograph anything but will just be playing around...). Le'see...experienced individual quad ballet (EIQ) is sunday morn at 9:30, experienced individual ballet (EIB) is at 2:30 (dual line), and the open indoor ballet is Monday at 2:00. As you might gather I've not even figured out what music I'll be flying to this time around. Last year EIQ I flew to KaTe's "The Red Shoes" and Indoor Ballet I used Happy's "Summer" (see? There *is* ecto content in this message!). I haven't flown an *IB (dual) competition for years, but I used to fly to KaTe's "Under Ice." This year I'm thinking about maybe "Army Dreamers" for EIQ and "No Testament" for EIB. No clue yet on the Indoor gig, but the chances are *very* high that it will be quintessential ecto music. Drop by and say hi...drop me e-mail if you want more info... Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | | | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@wam.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #106 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu