From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #93 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 3 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 093 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Shepard Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 12:01:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Another rare yet infrequent post... On Mon, 1 May 1995, Neal Copperman wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 May 1995, John Shepard wrote: > > > > > A newbie's perspective: Happy has a... how to put it? Her voice is not > > particularly unique, but the fact that when she goes from octave to > > octave, her voice changes dramatically, as if into a different person, > > was something that caught my attention right away. I can't think of > > anyone to compare her low register to, but her higher notes put me in the > > mind of a strange transporter accident involving Kate and Tori. > > > I'd be curious to hear your definition of unique. > > Neal Unique, as in I wouldn't recognize her voice (should that be plural?) if I heard it again. I used unique for lack of a better word. In all honesty, I've never heard anyone with Happy's vocal abilities, I shudder to call it a voice because I'm still unsure if it _should_ be plural or singular. The individual sounds she makes vocally are cool, but not the sort of thing I'd be able to pick out on the radio. In totality, however, Happy must be the among the most unique singers around. | John Shepard IUPU Columbus, Indiana | | The opinions expressed above are my own, and some of the facts too | | An Amiga owner and a Sarah McLachlan fan... God help me! | | "going going forgive us Lord we're going going down" -Jane Siberry | ------------------------------ From: Chris Sampson Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 13:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Jane Scarpantoni, anyone? Hallo, A while back, somebody...Gregg? Mitch?... started a thread about Jane Scarpantoni, the cellist (or, as John Lurie would have it..." the jello on the cello, Miss Jane Scarp-an-TONI"). Mention was made as to her appearances on various CDs...I was wondering if some kind soul...perhaps the original individual?... would steer me in the direction of the various projects that she's been a party to...I'm actually thinking of doing a Jane Scarpantoni show one night soon on WHUS....it would depend on the projects (for instance, I know she' on the Lounge Lizards Live CD...but if she did any Barry Manilow kinda stuff, I wouldn't play that), but if I were to amass enough of 'em, I'd definitely do the show...now, would I make the theme of the show public knowledge??? Chris chris@neuron.uchc.edu ------------------------------ From: John Shepard Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 12:55:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Another rare yet infrequent post... On Tue, 2 May 1995, Philip Sainty wrote: > Jeff wrote: > > > John Shepard writes: > > > >> I must confess, I did _NOT_ like "Collective Heart." It just flat-out > >> didn't work. It's like... I don't know quite how to properly slam it. It > > > > Umm, the proper way to slam Happy would be not to. Keep your > > flames on FTE, thank you. > > Well I thought he tried reasonably hard to say why he didn't like it > _without_ making it a flame (apart from the word "slam"). I wasn't slamming Happy, not by a long shot. I was slamming the song. Are you FTE alumni still so mad at me you automatically assume everything negative I say is always flame? I'm trying to be good here. If I was flaming, you'd know it, and probably my sysadmin would too. I have absolutely no desire to see any flames on Ecto, and I _definitely_ don't want to be the one to start any. I have FTE for that. What I said was a calm, thermally controlled statement of my dislike for the song. "Slam" was used in absence of a better word. I would have said "criticize" except when one's only heard it once, at 1 a.m., one doesn't have much grounds to make a critical analysis, except to go with first impressions and say "I didn't like it." I was trying so hard to make my statement calm and intelligent, it obviously failed, but I won't dwell on it. To let myself be ruled by the fear that everything I say here will be taken as flames by the former FTEers is to be scared of saying anything, positive OR negative, constructive or not. This is why I'm always in trouble on FTE, everything I say gets taken the wrong way by someone. I'm going to drop this subject now while I'm ahead, I absolutely _refuse_ to let this turn into flames on Ecto, the only truly flame-free environment on Internet. > I agree wholeheartedly that flames belong elsewhere, but that shouldn't > mean that people can't say that they like a Happy song. > > My advice for John is to definitely follow up on your decision to look > into Happy, and that you might prefer her earlier albums to her later > ones. The song you mentioned with the Kate quote in it is (must be, > although I don't yet have it myself) the tribute version of "Feed the > Fire" which is to be found on the "RhodeSongs" compilation (the original > version is on "Warpaint") That's the one. "Feed the Fire." I knew I knew it, I just couldn't remember it. :-) It was the Yes quote that got my attention. > "RhodeSongs" and "Ecto" would quite likely be good albums to start with, > or to have a listen to if you can... I plan to... but first thing's first: my Amiga is screaming for a hard drive to replace the old Conner that died last month. That's likely to set me way back, especially considering I don't have much of a source of income at the moment. Next priority is getting a place to live, family and sanity are becoming incompatible. Of course, having a job might not be a bad idea, at which point I wouldn't have enough time to listen to music anyway... :-( > > Philip > _ _ ___ _ _ _ > (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty > (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ ectophil@comp.vuw.ac.nz > -------------------------------------------------------------- > "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush > > | John Shepard IUPU Columbus, Indiana | | The opinions expressed above are my own, and some of the facts too | | An Amiga owner and a Sarah McLachlan fan... God help me! | | "going going forgive us Lord we're going going down" -Jane Siberry | I think my .sig needs brought up to date with my Indyvax sig. ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 13:00:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Another rare yet infrequent post... john shepard defines "unique" wrt happy :) > Unique, as in I wouldn't recognize her voice (should that be plural?) if > I heard it again. I used unique for lack of a better word. In all > honesty, I've never heard anyone with Happy's vocal abilities, I shudder > to call it a voice because I'm still unsure if it _should_ be plural or > singular. > > The individual sounds she makes vocally are cool, but not the sort of > thing I'd be able to pick out on the radio. In totality, however, Happy > must be the among the most unique singers around. wow, you must be kidding. after half a year's exposure to happy, i don't think i could miss her vocal "sound" if i tried! maybe you'll change your mind after a few more listens :) you're quite right about happy's voice(s); the first happy song i heard was "runners" off equipoise, which i still think is one of the songs that demonstrates her duality of voice best... i thought to myself "all the nice people on ecto have tricked me royally... happy is male!", until i heard her high range; then i thought maybe happy rhodes *was* a band after all, not just one person :) now i'm used to her voice and it doesn't strike me as much that way... but i'm pretty sure i'd have no problem picking it out anywhere. ...just a bit of rambling :) hugs, Damon (listening to the cd copy of 1984 dirk sent him and which arrived sooner than expected) \__________________________ _____________________________________/ \ _/\_ / Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "How long 'till my soul gets it right? nomad@helix.net \ / can any human being ever reach nomad@acca.nmsu.edu |/||\| that kind of light?" Damon_Harper@real.life `' - Indigo Girls, "Galileo" ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 14:41:54 -0500 Subject: slamming happy? Jeez, a number of folks really jumped on John when he mentioned not particularly liking one of Happy's songs. Lighten up. I love ecto, but I have only heard two Happy Rhodes albums-- they impressed me, but are hardly my favorites. And there are some songs that I really don't like. So what? It doesn't mean I don't love ecto, don't like Happy, don't want to hear more Happy Rhodes. I really hope folks aren't reacting negatively to John 'cuz of all that mess on fte. And I also hope folks can handle people who criticize certain of Happy's songs, or even Happy herself. Not everyone has the same tastes. We on ecto have similar tastes in some regards, but we're vastly different people with different preferences in everything, as well. Individuals-- with some shared interests and opinions, some vastly different ones. I'm being redundant. But you know what I mean, I hope. We're a community, regardless of who likes "Collective Soul" and who "slam"s it... :) Best, Laurel Krahn /// lakrahn@iw.net Director of Operations /// 800.386.IWAY Iway Internet Services /// info@iw.net Sioux Falls, South Dakota /// http://www.iw.net/ ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 10:21:20 +1200 Subject: Re: Another rare yet infrequent post... I wrote: >> I agree wholeheartedly that flames belong elsewhere, but that shouldn't >> mean that people can't say that they like a Happy song. *sigh* What I meant to write was "that shouldn't mean people can't say that they don't like a Happy song." ^^^^^ John wrote: > That's the one. "Feed the Fire." I knew I knew it, I just couldn't > remember it. :-) :) > It was the Yes quote that got my attention. That started me wondering something... Are all the quotes that Happy's popped into this song sourced? As I mentioned earlier I don't yet have "RhodeSongs" (and I've not heard it elsewhere) so I don't know whether or not Happy mentions in the booklet where they're from... If not, do we know all the songs that they were taken from? Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ ectophil@comp.vuw.ac.nz - -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 10:37:49 +1200 Subject: Re: Whoops... Matt wrote: > I do like Linda's voice. It's a better, um, "the lead singer for the > group that sang 'Walk Like an Egyptian'" :) that was back in the days when I listened to the radio, and I seem to recall hearing that song more than a few times. The group was the Bangles, and the singer was, if I recall (and spell:) correctly, Susannah Hoffs, who later put out a solo album which I gather didn't do so well... Philip ------------------------------ From: Emily Breed Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 15:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SF Bay Area Ectophiles - concert alert There'll be a concert this Friday, May 5th, at Cubberley High School (or what used to be Cubberley High School). The performers will be Reckless Abandon, SF Seals with Barbara Manning, and the Steven Yerkey Trio. Show starts at 8:00, box office and house open at 7:30. Tickets $5, available at the door. Dave & I'll be going, so say "hi" if you see us... :-) - -- Emily ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 10:52:37 +1200 Subject: Re: Another rare yet infrequent post... Damon said: > you're quite right about happy's voice(s); the first happy song i heard > was "runners" off equipoise, which i still think is one of the songs that > demonstrates her duality of voice best... i thought to myself "all the > nice people on ecto have tricked me royally... happy is male!", until i > heard her high range; then i thought maybe happy rhodes *was* a band > after all, not just one person :) :) The song I always think of is "'Til the Dawn Breaks"... I put that on the first Happy sampler I ever made and a friend enquired about the male singer Happy was dueting with :) :) (that reminds me of a funny quote from a *very* badly dubbed film that I was told about, in which one man challenges his foe to a "duet" on the roof :) Philip (who got a similar first taste of Happy's low range, given that the first Happy songs I heard were "Ashes to Ashes" (on a sampler tape), and "Runners" ("Equipoise" being the first album I listened to.)) ------------------------------ From: jwaite@popmail.ucsd.edu (Jerene Waite) Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 18:33:06 -0700 Subject: Sheila Chandra & Buffy Ste. Marie I received a postcard from Sheila Chandra a week ago saying that Caroline Records was going to release 5 solo albums beginning May 2 (TODAY). This is in addition to the already re-released Monsoon on another label. Anybody know what these are and how they compare to her other recordings? (Nice postcard: the Tor at sunset, Glastonbury--sort of a castley-looking thing on a hill; great mood shot.) Went to see Buffy Ste. Marie who was opening for Randy Newman in Orange County (So Cal) last Saturday. (I guess she's about as ecto as others I've seen mentioned on the list.) I'd never seen her live but had always enjoyed her musical talents from way, WAY back. (Now that I know that I'm one of the more "senior" list readers, thanks to the birthdate listing I just read.) Buffy performed for an hour, a satisfying mixture of her latest release and the good old stuff. Certainly there were many fans who hungered for particular favorites that were not chosen, but I registered chills twice--and especially for Eagle Man (from Changing Woman). Her newer stuff is more plugged in (of course) and varying from raucous to soft to the expected protest lyrics. She sounded really, really strong on Starwalker. She played the mouth bow and sang Cripple Creek at the same time. (I never knew you could do both at once!) In sum, I really enjoyed the experience even more than I expected I would. Oh yeah, I stayed for Randy Newman. But I prefer to hear music. - --Jerene - ----------------------------------------------- Cherish the cycle; Freedom in time. --Happy Rhodes - ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: wombat toga party Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 22:31:00 -0400 Subject: caterwaul "Matt Bittner" sez: >Caterwaul (are they still around?); nope. after _pin and web_, irs records dropped them. they recorded a number of demos in the summer of 1993 which they shopped around to labels without success (which is utterly inexplicable to me - i think they are fantastic!). since then, i haven't heard a peep from them. the last letter i sent to betsy martin was sent back for lack of a forwarding address (that's snail mail, folks). i have heard a rumor that betsy martin is singing for a band called the sea hags, which also includes some members of caterwaul, but nothing definite. woj ------------------------------ From: John Shepard Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 21:31:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: slamming happy? The subject line, "slamming happy?" puts me in a David Dalton-esque frame of mind. For a moment, I considered changing the subject to "slaphappy" or some such, then for a moment the oxygen returned to all three of my brain cells, and I decided not to. Somehow "copycatting" Dalton would never even come close to the Master's work. :-) On Tue, 2 May 1995, Laurel Krahn wrote: > Jeez, a number of folks really jumped on John when he mentioned not > particularly liking one of Happy's songs. The irony is, on FTE, a recent thread was "Least favorite Sarah songs from each album." We've been debating about which of Sarah's songs we like the least, and invariably whatever one person says is their least favorite, someone else pipes up and says "I'll assume you're trolling- that's my favorite song!" We were able to maintain this thread for a while without any serious problems, which is unusual for FTE. So I drop by here and try to deliver an objective analysis, and I get shot. Oh well, at least I have sense enough to laugh. Failure to do this is what always sparked fallouts on FTE before, a failure to laugh at myself, or for that matter, to realize that the stupid sh__ I was saying deserved laughing at. Unless they throw me off FTE, I'll continue to post all my semi-topical stuff there, and save Ecto for legit discussions, like what I had hoped this was going to start off as. And surprisingly enough, it's turning into a legit discussion, but of what I'm not entire certain. :-) > Lighten up. I love ecto, but I have only heard two Happy Rhodes albums-- > they impressed me, but are hardly my favorites. And there are some songs > that I really don't like. So what? > > It doesn't mean I don't love ecto, don't like Happy, don't want to hear more > Happy Rhodes. Or, in my case, don't want to continue to try new music I see recommended here on Ecto. I will continue to check out recommendations I see here... when i can. > I really hope folks aren't reacting negatively to John 'cuz of all that mess > on fte. It would be understandable. Not necessarily excusable, but understandable. I think a lot of people here can issue a collective sigh when I say I'm leaving all my obnoxiousness on FTE, or on USENET where it belongs. :-) > And I also hope folks can handle people who criticize certain of Happy's > songs, or even Happy herself. Not everyone has the same tastes. We on ecto > have similar tastes in some regards, but we're vastly different people with > different preferences in everything, as well. Individuals-- with some > shared interests and opinions, some vastly different ones. Particularly on Internet. :-) > I'm being redundant. But you know what I mean, I hope. > > We're a community, regardless of who likes "Collective Soul" and who "slam"s > it... :) It's "Collective Heart." "Collective Soul" is, if I'm not mistaken, a band. I've been mistaken before, though. > > Best, > > Laurel Krahn /// lakrahn@iw.net > Director of Operations /// 800.386.IWAY > Iway Internet Services /// info@iw.net > Sioux Falls, South Dakota /// http://www.iw.net/ Am I to assume you finally escaped from FTE? Is it too late to invite you back? We have a digest available from another server, and may soon be switching to majordomo for _real_ digests... and now that I'm on digest-only there, I spout fewer flames than ever before! :-) (in other words, I'm _trying_ to be good...) | John Shepard IUPU Columbus, Indiana | | The opinions expressed above are my own, and some of the facts too | | An Amiga owner and a Sarah McLachlan fan... God help me! | | "going going forgive us Lord we're going going down" -Jane Siberry | ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 16:12:00 +0000 Subject: A quickie! Okay all - play nice! John (Shepard) = Everyone here is REAL protective about the Hapster. . . . so maybe you just stepped on someone's crabby button today. I understand how you could "not like" a particular song - in this case "Collective Heart". I personally like that tune, but there are others I don't care for as much. No biggie - we are all entitled to our opinions - and we are all free to express them here. However, there might be consequences - as I discovered when I gently ripped on Liz Phair not long ago. A Liz fan named Irwin came to her defense - as we tossed flaming e-mail back and forth outside of Ectoland. You will probably enjoy RhodeSongs as that was the CD that got me going on Happy's tunes. Ecto was the 2nd CD I bought - but I also like Rearmament just as much. One question to the masses - is NFE the Notes From The Edge? What's the deal with that list? Is (Jeff?) Hunnicutt still running it? I it a collection of whiney disenchanted Yesfans complaining about Trevor Rabin (again?) " ... she tells me I'm too sensitive, she makes me sad... she makes me feel like an old man..." Kate Bush Amy ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 21:28:28 -0600 (MDT) Subject: musical mould not to imply that it's at all negative, but has anyone else noticed that music can grow on you like... certain fungi? this is sort of sparked by the discussion about liking/not liking certain happy songs, &c... it just brought to mind a certain effect music has on me. I'd swear sometimes i could like *anything* if i listened to it enough times. f'rinst, when i first heard "murder" (off _warpaint_) i really disliked it (it was the only song on the album i didn't like though). now i doubt i could point to a single happy song i dislike (except maybe the meowing in "no one here", which bugs me for some reason - - otherwise the song is great). the first time i heard kate was when i borrowed TSW on my english teacher's recommendation, and my first reaction was "bleah" as i hit the stop button. the second time i listened to it i was intrigued, and now kate is probably my single favourite artist of all time. same for genesis and many others :) i mean, i'm sure most other people have had similar experiences, but personally i find i'm sometimes afraid to listen too much to music i dislike at first, for fear that i'll come to rave about it soon enough... and have to buy yet another cd or two (or fourteen - i now own every genesis studio album :) hmmm... i guess i'll stop my random ramblings there, and sit back and wait for my dear friend kevin to reply, using this as evidence that deep down, i really *do* love erasure, that, in fact, erasure are my favourite band of all time. really. (not that i *dislike* erasure; i'm just not all that taken with them :) hugs, Damon (random ramblings from the random rambler) \__________________________ _____________________________________/ \ _/\_ / Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "How long 'till my soul gets it right? nomad@helix.net \ / can any human being ever reach nomad@acca.nmsu.edu |/||\| that kind of light?" Damon_Harper@real.life `' - Indigo Girls, "Galileo" ------------------------------ From: Marisa Wood Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 20:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: boy howdy On Tue, 2 May 1995, wombat toga party wrote: > >I'm curious about several small bands and their whereabouts. > > >Two nice girls > > poof! broken up. members have carried on though. laurie freelove has > one solo album that came out four, five years ago called _smells like > truth_. meg hentges has one solo ep out called _tattoo urge_. not > sure what the other nice girl is up to. Gretchen Phillips is in a band called Girls in the Nose. They've released two albums: the first is self-titled, the second is called _Origin of the World_. I've also heard rumors of a solo album by Gretchen, but I haven't seen it anywhere.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Marisa Wood "Under the armour of that iron woman/ So many things lie within...." mlwood@u.washington.edu --Julia Fordham, "Island" - ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: justicek@edge.ercnet.com (Kim Justice) Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 00:27:45 -0500 Subject: Re: musical mould At 9:28 PM 5/2/95, Damon Harper wrote: >not to imply that it's at all negative, but has anyone else noticed that >music can grow on you like... certain fungi? There's an interview with Eno in the current issue of Wired magazine, where he reports that (as an experiment) he made a short (less than a minute) tape of city traffic noise. He then listened to it over and over again, and after some time he began to regard it almost as a piece of music; he'd look forward to *that* door slam or *this* honking horn. kj - -- justicek@edge.ercnet.com (Kim Justice) "Where there's smoke, there's work." -- Firesign Theatre ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 00:22:31 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: musical mould Kim writes: > There's an interview with Eno in the current issue of Wired magazine, where > he reports that (as an experiment) he made a short (less than a minute) > tape of city traffic noise. He then listened to it over and over again, and > after some time he began to regard it almost as a piece of music; he'd look > forward to *that* door slam or *this* honking horn. > kj yep - i can see it. i'll have to go get a copy of wired... this is a subject that's interested me for quite a while, along with the intricate dynamics of conversation -- the amazingly obscure links between one topic and the next -- 'specially on the 'net :) maybe i should forget majoring in linguistics and write papers on this stuff instead :P Damon \__________________________ _____________________________________/ \ _/\_ / Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "How long 'till my soul gets it right? nomad@helix.net \ / can any human being ever reach nomad@acca.nmsu.edu |/||\| that kind of light?" Damon_Harper@real.life `' - Indigo Girls, "Galileo" ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 03:30:14 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Gray Abbott (gray@unidyn.com) ********************** ************* Tamar Boursalian (boutame@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu) ************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian May 03 Taurus Mark Semich Thu May 06 1965 Yield Joe Dembski Wed May 07 1952 Rumple Richard A. 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