From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #61 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 24 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 061 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bittnerme@phibred.com (Matt Bittner) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:24:11 -0600 Subject: The time has come... ... I am unsubscribing for awhile. As most of you know, I'm taking a new job - moving from Des Moines back to Omaha - and until I get an account there, I won't have access to the net. Once I'm connected, though, I'll be back (hmm, for some reason I hear Arnie's voice...). Mucho thanks to Vickie for showing me the light that is Happy. I am very content with this group, and may not resubscribe to the Sarah or Tori lists (although, when it comes right down to it, I probably will), since this list gives me them, and oh so much more. Funny, I hear my 8th grade english teacher complaing about run-on sentences... Also much thanks to those that showed me the Jewel light. Definitely the best new artist, and so far the best '95 CD I've gotten (although it being the only '95 CD I've bought doesn't matter:-)). I'll remain on the list until the end of the work-day - then I'll have to unsubscribe and wait until the new job. I'll miss you all :,-(. Talk to you when I get to the "better" place! One last thing - the next person to talk to Jewel, tell her she needs to play either Omaha, Lincoln or Des Moines. Preferebly (sp?) Omaha. Thanks! Matt Bittner just about time to leave bittnerme@phibred.com ------------------------------ From: Hail Ants Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 11:00:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Meredith does it again, part 1 >On Sun, 19 Mar 1995 THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE said: >>Vickie commented: >> >>>The days of Ectophiles being the first to know things are over. >> >>Sad, but true. At least until Susanne is able to hire an assistant or >>three, get net.access, and have time to disseminate info to Happy's fans >>online. >I'm always plugged into the AG net, or as plugged as they'll have me. I >think I made a few mistakes along the line that may have caused me a drop >in status there, but nobody's perfekt. In hindsight, I would never have >told Susanne how unhappy the slow distribution of BtC was making people, >and I would never have mentioned the Prism show and wide distribution in >the same millenium. I can only hope my rabid fandom and fanatical devotion >may still provide me with a modicum of respect from AG. I don't want to start up any arguments, but I really want to comment on this. Part of this response is due in part to my great disappointment at first missing Happy in January (even though we had tickets) and then not being able to get a copy of the Prism show. Having said that... I think it's terrible that our concerns about distrubution and our desire to see Happy might cause problems. I'll admit that the concerns about the BTC distribution were a bit harsh at times, but that's only because we all feel very strongly about it. We all want Happy to get as wide a distribution as possible, and it's upsetting to think that we can't voice our displeasure without someone paying (in this case, Bob). I also think it's a travesty that copies of the Prism tape can't be made available to Ectophiles. Not everyone is in the Philly area, and I know for a fact that plenty of the non-locals have done a lot to promote Happy in their areas. I think it's a disservice to them to not allow them the opportunity to at least see Happy perform. If AG has some plans to distribute the tape commercially, that's one thing. But I think we've shown in the past that we will buy anything Happy puts out, even if that means having multiple copies of songs (e.g. the CD single). Letting Ectophiles get a copy of the Prism show wouldn't affect a commercial release in any way, I think. I hope noone thinks that I'm just complaining here. I just think that AG is making a bad decision WRT Happy's fans... >Anyway, if they want to reach the net, they still let me know, and I post >A.S.A.P. It's just that now I get a fax rather than a phone call. >Best wishes to all, >Robert the tarnished Bob, I'm sorry that you had to bear the brunt of the backlash about stuff we talk about here. It's really not fair to you. John ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:40:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Ectophile - AG relations John sez: > Bob, I'm sorry that you had to bear the brunt of the backlash about stuff > we talk about here. It's really not fair to you. I definitely agree, especially as you've merely been communicating things people in the mailing list have asked you to pass on! And didn't AG ask you to pass on the feedback?? That's truly unfair. I do feel a grip with AG about them not being willing for us to have the Prism show and for not making the current promo single available for us. Couldn't the fan mag handle some kind of special single distribution? It certainly would be good for them and perhaps they could add a couple of dollars to the price to help with production and printing costs for the fan magazine. When I send in my check to renew our subscription, I think I may suggest this to Sharon. It's worth at least checking out to see if AG is willing--or even printed enough. BTW, we received the new issue last year. Some really good articles (yay, woj!) and some lovely pictures. I won't say any more because I don't want to spoil it for others. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu P.S. Bob, really sorry to hear about Celia. I'm glad that you were able to be with her at the end. ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:03:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Typo City Sorry--my brain and fingers don't communicate well. It's a gripe not a grip that I want to communicate to AG, and we got the new RHODEWAYS last NIGHT not last year. Sheesh. I do try to use a spellchecker, but this kind of typo outwits them, and that's why my fingers like to make 'em. Cheers, all-- Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Tim@palare.demon.co.uk (Tim Cook) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 17:10:15 GMT Subject: Air mail gripes! I've just been comparing air mail and shipping costs from CDNow (1st time I've ordered from them) and CDC (ordered loads of stuff). It makes interesting reading. CDC sent me two disks, they charged $12.39 for shipping and the actual cost (according to the postage on the outside) was $9.18 for 10oz. CDNow charged me $7.01 for shipping (each CD has a handling charge built into the price) three disks. The actual cost was $6.31 for 15oz. Both packages were sent from California so why does a package weighing 50% more, cost 50% less to send!! Are there any Californian ectophiles out there who'd be willing to find out what the costs *should* be for airmail to the U.K. I'm curious as to why there's such a huge difference. I'm not complaining though. One of the packages contained the Jewel CD. Its very very good. tim - -- Tim Cook tim@palare.demon.co.uk timc@world.std.com ------------------------------ From: "Ray H. Misra" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 12:27:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: male artists, and Portishead Anyone here want to go see Portishead at Avalon in Boston with me next month? Ray ------------------------------ From: Ectophiles Guide Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:47:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Air mail gripes! Well, I don't know for certain, but one of them may have been able to send it by small packet rate. Small packets may NOT contain any form of correspondence but is much cheaper, by about 40% that regular airmail. If at all possible, I use small packet rate and just let my foreign correspondents think I'm non-communicative ;) The standard here is to charge for "shipping and handling" and the charges vary greatly between companies. That handling stuff can be very expensive. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:00:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Happy dreams I'm know I'm sending a lot of ecto messages today, I'm sorry. Last night I dreamt about Happy and Kevin. They were visiting Seattle because HAPPY WAS TOURING! We were all lolling around on my bed talking about life (and the concerts), the way I used to with friends when I was in high school. I find it really weird that I have now dreamt about someone I've never met. It must have been looking at the pictures in RHODEWAYS last night before I went to sleep. I wonder how Happy feels at being dreamt about by people she's never met? That must be weird. Seems weird from this end, but I certainly hope the touring part happens. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: "Joseph L. Casadonte Jr." Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:37:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Jewel?!? Hi All, I'm new to the list, but I've been a Happy fan for 3 or 4 years now. Can anyone give me some info about "Jewell"? I've been reading many good things, but no specifics (person or group, type of music, etc.). TIA! joe joc@netaxs.com "Are you suggestin' coconuts mi-grate?" ------------------------------ From: chip-l@nwu.edu (Chip Lueck) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 13:41:51 -0600 Subject: Re: Jewel -- anyone? MJM writes: >So, did anyone in Chicago end up going to see Jewel last night? Yes. Vickie and I went to see her Wednesday night. She played for about an hour or so. I actually bought her CD prior to the show, but only listened to it 2 times, & one listen was as background music. My first early impression of the CD was "pleasant", i.e., nothing grabbed me right away. I really liked her live performance a lot. I noticed a few different styles of how she used her voice. Unfortunately, I do not have the musical vocabulary to describe the differences I heard, but suffice it to say there were some songs which I really liked and others that were simply okay. I could have listened to her yodel a lot more, I might add! I met Jewel prior to the show, but didn't know it was her when I met her. You see, when I walked in, I needed to use the restroom. I found it and there was a sign with the symbols for male and female, indicating that it was a shared facility. I walked in and it was like a store room with a sink and a mirror. A private toilet stall was located in one of the corners. When I walked in, there was a woman putting on her makeup in front of the mirror. I asked if she was waiting for the facility and she said "no", and without taking a breath she said "so one was made of brick and one made of straw. What was the other one?". It took me a second to realize she was talking about the three little pigs' houses, and she took me by surprise and I couldn't think of the other one. The guy coming out of the stall had the correct answer (sticks). When she came out on stage, I realized that Jewel was the strange Three-Little-Pigs Lady I met in the bathroom! :-) When the show started, she began by talking to the audience and Vickie piped up with "Neal says hi". She wanted to know how Vickie knew Neal, to which Vickie replied "through the 'puter". Jewel thought that was kinda neat. :-) After the show, Vickie and I greeted her and got autographs. The bottom line is that I would recommend her to anyone who has the opportunity. I don't about the other places she is playing, but in Chicago you can't beat the price -- it's free. I plan on seeing her on one of her next stops if my schedule allows. That's it for now... ======================================================================== Chip Lueck (Jeff) chip-l@nwu.edu "You don't need no crystal ball, don't fall for a magic wand. We humans got it all, we perform the miracles." -KB ------------------------------ From: Marion Kippers Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 22:56:55 +0100 Subject: Noa & Gil Dor (continued...) Hi all, A week ago Marcel told you all about Noa (Achinoam Nini) & Gil Dor performing live in The Hague (Den Haag). And he wrote: > Marion has also some things to say about the concert "after > party" :) , and so I'll leave her to it. Well, here I am. Even though this concert was not as intimate as the one in Utrecht in December, and of course I knew what to expect now, it was again very, very worthwhile. The CD still pales in comparison. Apparently a new CD will be released in September, or so 'they' said. On 30 March they'll be performing live in New York in the Carnegie Hall - go see them if you can! This time we didn't have to wait outside in the cold to meet them, we could just stay in the foyer and wait for them to appear. Before and during the concert we had seen quite a few familiar faces of people who where at the Utrecht concert as well, and we were really surprised at how many people Noa seemed to know or remember as well. Noa did most of the signing; Gil was there as well, but he hid around a corner... :) He deserves more attention, but he seems a bit shy to me. Marcel and I were not in a hurry - Marcel lives in Den Haag, and I still had two hours to catch my last train home, so we just waited until the crowd thinned out somewhat. When it was our turn Noa looked at Marcel - surprise! Then she saw me, and she was very enthusiastic when she recognized us, and she said "Ah! The golden pen!" (that's Marcel's famous golden pen). She even remembered _us_! Marcel gave her his Happy tape, and when she signed my "I don't know" CD-single I gave her a print-out copy of the review I wrote about the concert in Utrecht (which I also posted on Ecto). Marcel took some pictures with my camera (I'm nowhere when it comes to taking pictures of people :) ), and then we left the signing table to have a chat with Gil (well, I did). I really liked mjm's description of Gil, "GILDOR. One letter for each string of his guitar", and I told him about that. He was very, very pleased with the compliment. He wanted to know where I had read that, and said that he would like to read that letter. So I told him about Ecto (with a pointer to Marcel's Happy tape for Noa), and about mjm's post about the concert in Evanston. He knew a bit about the Internet, and was very excited to hear that he and Noa had been mentioned in such a positive way. He said once again that he would like to read that letter, so Mike, if you don't mind, I could forward it to him (or rather a print-out, as I've only got a snail mail address). Also both he and Noa (who joined us a bit later) were very interested in the other posts that had been written about them, so if you (all) don't mind I could send them along (I've saved posts from mjm, Joe, Vickie and Pablo Iglesias - please let me know if you don't want me to forward them), together with the introduction for the list and perhaps a Happy FAQ? I had also brought a copy of Joe's translations - Gil read them first, and he called Noa. At first she didn't understand what it was, so Gil explained - Noa's reaction was "At first I thought _I_ wrote that!" and Gil added "Yes, it's very close!" So Joe, you did a very good job! Thanks again! (I'm afraid my private e-mail 'Thank you' never made it to your mailbox... Sorry. :( ). And apparently Noa has translated her lyrics in English as well, or perhaps she wrote them in English first and then translated them to Hebrew. Well, that's all (I guess it's long enough already). Now we're only still hoping to get the first two CD's from Israel... Best wishes, Marion ______________________________________________________________ Marion Kippers Wolters Kluwer Academic Publishers Automation Department Dordrecht, The Netherlands Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl Now playing: S.McLachlan - Freedom Ses. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Marion Kippers Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 23:59:30 +0100 Subject: Black, Van Morrison, and Happy Hi all, Talking about male artists... (and some Happy as well) Black. ~~~~~~ The current thread about 'male artists' finally gives me a chance to mention my favourite male vocalist here: Colin Vearncombe, better known as Black. He's had a big hit with "Wonderful Life" back in 1987, but hasn't been succesful since that. He's still recording, on his own independent label nowadays, and I'm anxiously awaiting new material from him. I don't think he's real ecto-fodder - although his music is hard to classify his production is probably too smooth for the liking of most of you, but his voice is just soooo beautiful... And while I'm talking about Black: Marcel and I are compiling a Black discography. We think we've got / know most of the UK and European releases, but is there anybody out there who could help us out with US (or Australian, or other) releases? Or does anybody know where we could find anybody to help us? There have to be _some_ other Black fans on the Internet, if not on Ecto... Any information is welcome! Please come out of hiding! :-) Van Morrison. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On a slightly related note: thanks, everyone and especially Neil, for the information about Van Morrison on the Net. I haven't checked/forwarded the recently mentioned WWW-site yet, but my boss is now subscribed to the Van Morrison mailing list and though he doesn't think it's a very 'informative' (as in 'facts about upcoming releases or concerts') list, he enjoys it anyway. For those who inquired as well: he didn't have any trouble subscribing, and he receives about two digests a week. Here's the information about the list: Subscription address: van-request@fish.com List address: van@fish.com SUBSCRIBE van-digest to get a digest form of the list Maintainer: zen@bi.fish.com Happy. :) ~~~~~~ And something totally unrelated (but this is the Ecto part) that I just forgot to mention in my Noa post: at the concert I also met a colleague of mine. He didn't wait for the signing, and the day after the concert he asked me if I had managed to get a signature. So I told him about the tape Marcel gave to Noa and he was interested, and now I've got to make a Happy tape for him as well! And yes, I make a tape, but I always include various tracks of various CD's, trying to avoid copying a whole CD. Only "RhodeSongs" is such a good compilation that I find it hard not to pick too many tracks from that one. But of course I prefer that other e-mail penpal of mine, who just asks: "which CD of Happy should I get first?" without ever having heard her yet. :-) Best wishes, Marion ______________________________________________________________ Marion Kippers Wolters Kluwer Academic Publishers Automation Department Dordrecht, The Netherlands Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl Now playing: Happy Rhodes - RhodeSongs ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 19:03:33 -0500 Subject: no alternatives yes, this is another ticketmaster gripe, though this time it's not aimed directly at tm. Last week I bought tix to see Noa in DC. (It seems like all the tickets I've bought lately have been $30 tix, which I think is getting out of hand.... Sarah, Laurie, Noa, ...) This was through an outfit called ProTix, which I'd never heard of. Amazingly enough, there was no service charge! When I expressed my surprise, they were quick to point out that this was not characteristic. Today I attempted to buy tix for the Earth Day concert featuring Natalie Merchant and others. I had called in the morning and found out tix would be $25, with the standard type charges of $3 service and $1 handling. (What's the difference between these anyway?) I called when they went on sale, and after an extensive holding period, a very inefficient person came on the line. Rather than bringing up tix, they had to enter my vitals (or verify them) in their computer. When I wanted info on the seat locations in the theater, they had to go off and ask around. When I was unsatisfied with the seats and asked for a different specific section, they needed more help. But then, she verified the prices for me.... $25 ticket, $3.50 service, $1.50 handling, $2.50 parking. A full 30% charge on top of the ticket. Anyway, that was more than I could bear, so I just told her to forget it. Merriweather is incredibly nervy to charge that much for parking attached to every ticket. That's $10 a carload. And the kicker is, most people don't park in their lot. IT's too crowded and awkward. I always park at the mall across the street and join the hordes of people walking in, all of who have paid $2.50 to park in a free shopping mall. Don't mind me, just thought I'd vent a bit. (And while venting, for the second night this week, some idiot has turned in our office key to the key desk while we are still here. The office is not locked, it is full of people, but the key gets put away, and when I suddenly realize I'm late to get somewhere, I've got to go across the building, fill out the paperwork, return, lock the door, bring the key back. Grumble grumble grumble) Neal ------------------------------ From: "steve (s.l.) fagg" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 18:33:33 +0000 Subject: re:of De Lint and such In message "of De Lint and such", 'elionwyr@onix.com' writes: > This question has already been answered pretty well, I think - I'd add >Paula Cole to the list as someone who's been mentioned a lot of late and >is not white In what sense is Paula Cole not white? Perhaps finer distinctions are made in such things in the US than I'm used to here in England, but she looked pretty white to me in the Peter Gabriel "Secret World" video and on the cover of the "Harbinger" album. The "Secret World" video is an amazing piece of work by the way. I've only just seen it as I saved it up to watch with my fiancee who was visiting recently. I thought the album was astonishingly good (it walked away with my vote for best album of 1994 by a country mile) but the visuals add so much to the impact that it's almost overwhelming - goodness only knows how people survived the experience of these shows in the flesh! ;-) The only exception to that was the ultra-closeup camera work on "Digging in the Dirt" which didn't work for me. I can see that in theory it sounds like a neat idea for such a relentlessly self-examining song, but the execution seemed to err far too much on the side of grotesquery. Is it my imagination, or is the instrumental mix different between the CD and the video? And have the vocals been "touched up" on the CD in one or two places? Whatever, it is quite the most powerful music video I have seen in many years. See it! Talking of non-white women (as those of you with reasonable memories may recall we were before I got sidetracked into Gabriel-land), are there any other Ectophiles into Miriam Makeba? She's been around for over 30 years and was originally from South Africa. She sings some traditional african songs as well as what I suppose might be considered protest songs (well, who wouldn't? ;-)). As for male performers, well next after Gabriel I'd probably name Sting, David Byrne, Bryan Ferry, and Steve Harley. All pretty mainstream I guess but then that's the way my musical taste is. :-) >(Another side-note: Am I posting too much? By no means! :-) All the time you have things to say to us post away! TTFN Steve. P.S. Please excuse any oddities in the appearance of this message. I've just been converted to a new email system at work and I'm not too sure of my way around it yet! :-) - -- Steve Fagg a.k.a. Nightwol ( 'phone: +44-1279-402437 ) ( s.l.fagg@bnr.co.uk (work) nightwol@dircon.co.uk (home) ) *** We tried to add it all up and got merely sunrise. *** *** Try putting that in a letter to someone in exile. *** ------------------------------ From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 18:15:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Laurie Anderson/Andy Kaufman? So, about 4 months ago I posted: > oK, my mind's gone totally blank here... Last night on the radio I > heard this incredible Laurie Anderson, well, *monologue*, all about > hanging out with Andy Kaufman, and there's this sort of Music From the > Hearts of Space stuff in the background, and I know I've heard it > before... Where does this come from? Not United States Live, right? > (I have this on cassette, making it somewhat hard to play in my current > CD-only environment.) > > Clearly I need more coffee. and after having several friends convinced I had hallucinated the whole thing, I *found it* last night, on a CD called THE UGLY ONE WITH THE JEWELS: A Reading from _Stories From the Nerve Bible_, as Track #10, "The Rotowhirl." All spoken-word, really spooky, really good. So, is _Stories From the Nerve Bible_ released separately as a multimedia thing, or what? And thanks to those who sent suggestions, especially Meredith (who suggested maybe "It's Not The Bullet That Kills You, It's The Hole" and confirmed that the Andy Kaufman thing was not on any (previously) released Laurie Anderson album. - -- Michael mcb@postmodern.com ------------------------------ From: Cevad Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 10:41:00 +0800 (WST) Subject: re:of De Lint and such On Fri, 24 Mar 1995, steve (s.l.) fagg wrote: Hi Steve :) > The "Secret World" video is an amazing piece of work by the way. I've > only just seen it as I saved it up to watch with my fiancee who was > visiting recently. I thought the album was astonishingly good (it > walked away with my vote for best album of 1994 by a country mile) but > the visuals add so much to the impact that it's almost overwhelming - > goodness only knows how people survived the experience of these shows > in the flesh! ;-) The only exception to that was the ultra-closeup > camera work on "Digging in the Dirt" which didn't work for me. I can > see that in theory it sounds like a neat idea for such a relentlessly > self-examining song, but the execution seemed to err far too much on > the side of grotesquery. Is it my imagination, or is the instrumental > mix different between the CD and the video? And have the vocals been > "touched up" on the CD in one or two places? Whatever, it is quite > the most powerful music video I have seen in many years. See it! > Yeah, I went to the Secret World tour (5th row seat) and it blew me away.. I thought that the video screen added a new dimension to the show.. I didnt know what to look sometimes! Yeah the optic fibre camera was a bit un-nerving... especially when he put it in his mouth or shone it up his nose!! It was pretty cool when he put it up to his eye though!! :) I quite enjoyed Paula Cole and will have to get her CD. I also bought both the Live double CD and the EP, and think that they are the best live album I have ever had the pleasure of listening to. (although if I manage to get a tape of Happy live someday, I'm sure that will change my mind :):) ) Listening to those CDs makes me feel like I am at the concert again :) > Talking of non-white women (as those of you with reasonable memories > may recall we were before I got sidetracked into Gabriel-land), are > there any other Ectophiles into Miriam Makeba? She's been around for > over 30 years and was originally from South Africa. She sings some > traditional african songs as well as what I suppose might be > considered protest songs (well, who wouldn't? ;-)). > I have heard of Miriam Makeba (I saw her on The Cosby Show once :) ), I would love to get some of her stuff, she has a very powerful voice :) Hmm... I think this might even be my first post to Ecto, even though I have been subscribed for about 6 months!!! :) Cheers, Dave Cevad on IRC +--------------------------------------+ | Dave Cook Perth, Western Australia | | Internet: davecook@yarrow.wt.com.au | +--------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #61 ************************* ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu