From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #55 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, 20 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 055 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HYAMS@alpha.nsula.edu Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:31:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Sarah in Dallas Martin! I saw sarah in new orleans... after you from my knowledge (I've been gigging for 10 years and have a cd out) the piano is a yamaha. it does have strings in the top portion and the bottom protion contains other parts (hammers and etc.) I used to have to roadie around an 88 key version. It comes in two large parts plus pedals and legs. BtW, this things have been manufactured for quite a while. Paula Cole was definitley kicking! I bought her cd "harbinger" after seeing her live and prefer the live show style. and, Sarah didn't name the song (the new one) she just performed it. It had some relatively cliche' phrase that I think served as the chorus. I can ask my Nikole (girlfriend) ps: I've been at a multimedia/music conference in austin for a week, so hope this isn't outdated! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tschuess! {8-> | "...I see red/sleek and bare/suits will die collier hyams | /their lives false/I will shave my head/before hyams@alpha.nsula.edu | parting at the ear/I will shave my head..." http://rever.nmsu.edu/~maldrin/idc/idc.html | international dub corps ------------------------------ From: David Koehler Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:52:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: new PJ Harvey Hello, What do you all think of the new PJ Harvey album? I've not bought any PJ before but the new one has been getting some great reviews, so I was thinking about getting it. - - Dave ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 13:44:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: PJ Harvey Dave writes: > What do you all think of the new PJ Harvey album? I've not bought any > PJ before but the new one has been getting some great reviews, so I was > thinking about getting it. Well, I've loved her stuff since the first album, and I definitely love the new one--it's far more bluesy and less guitar-driven that _Dry_ or _Rid of Me_ but it showcases her voice perhaps even better than they do. Basically, if you like the single "Down by the Water" you'll like the best of the album. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: HYAMS@alpha.nsula.edu Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:19:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Sarah's Freedom, and overwork Meth and John and ek-tites! Crystal didn't do the authoring, but did the photoshoping. Cathy told me that nettwerk hired someone to author in director and quicktime. Said it took him 2 months. Crystal stayed home this tour. Cathy is there with 4 macs. She had 3 set up in New Orleans. Cathy is great by the way... tell her collier said "hi" if anyone visits her. HEY!!! Paula Cole was fantaskaticlemal live! incredibly strong woman! and as graceful as a panther! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tschuess! {8-> | "...I see red/sleek and bare/suits will die collier hyams | /their lives false/I will shave my head/before hyams@alpha.nsula.edu | parting at the ear/I will shave my head..." http://rever.nmsu.edu/~maldrin/idc/idc.html | international dub corps ------------------------------ From: "Bradley N. Hutchinson" Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 17:28:12 EST Subject: DeLint again I have an old bibliography from him from 1990 that has a few titles I've never seen released, like "Ghostwood", but they could have just been renamed. OOPS--forgot the Dungeon novels--not all that good IMHO-- as well as the novel _Wolf Moon_ which is another traditional fantasy about a werewolf. "Ghostwood" was later put into the "novel" _Spirtwalk_ as were some other stories on that bibliography. I think they're all collected in the Newford collections and Spiritwalk. brad - -- Thought is an infection. In the case of certain thoughts, it becomes an epidemic. - --Wallace Stevens bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:51:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Kathleen Yearwood A while back on alt.music.canada someone mentioned Kathleen Yearwood in a way that made me write her name down and look for her disc when I was in Canada. I didn't find it. Then last week while out scouting for PJ Harvey singles I found a copy at my local Tower (I hate to say I like chains, but Tower is pretty good about stocking Independent stuff that even the Independent stores don't). She's from Alberta, and I think the disc, _Book of Hate_ is one her own label, though it's distributed in the States by Subterranean from CA. So, I got the disc home and put the disc in my player and started to listen. First song: Hmm. Slightly operatic but tough voice singing a trad. folk song. Ok. I think I like it. Second song: Hmm. Another trad. folk song, fairly quiet. No, wait a minute then there's an operatic line and then crunchy, crunchy guitar at the very end. Third song: WHAT IS SHE DOING? She's trilling and the only accompaniment is clapping. Haunting, insistent song about a Native friend in trouble with the law who dies. The disc varies between things that sound like trad folk, things that sound like contemporary folk, and things that sound like the more experimental noisy stuff out there, frequently mixed in one song. Parts sound like Diamanda Galas. The accompaniment is always interesting and varied (breaking windows? cows? barking dogs? birds?). Impressive and powerful and and insistent and definitely haunting. My favourite song is called "Lost My Way". Definitely for those who love the harsher, more experimental side of things (PJ Harvey, etc., though the folkiness might put those people off). Hard to say who she's like because she's so very like herself. Imagine if Diamanada Galas did an album that was a mix of trad. folk and contemporary folk and had a slightly more conventional soprano but still used it the same way. Jim says her voice reminds him of Frankie Armstrong's for those of you who know of her. Highly, highly recommended. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: brage@sphere.home.id.dtu.dk (Jens P. Brage) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 00:13:35 MET Subject: A Klaus of Clauses Hi! I'm cleaning out my mail folder so... Greg wrote: > and to finish out the FTE-inspired album-hunt, anyone have a > produce-ography for Pierre Marchand? his work with Sarah is lovely, > and the recent live/studio video and an article in Electronic Musician > have got me swooning over his Wild Sky studios (and general musical > philosophy...) Hmm, I haven't got a producography, but I do know of a few other albums he has produced: Kate & Anna McGarrigle's "Heartbeats Accelerating" (and other of their albums, I suspect) and Gogh van Go's "Gogh van Go"... I'm pretty sure I noticed him as the producer of some other ectoish album recently, but can't remember which one... John Zimmer seconds Meredith: > Just wanted to second the rave for the Freedom Sessions CD-ROM; > it's *way* cool. Even if you don't have a system that will make use > of it now, some day you *will*, and you'll kick yourself if you > didn't get it when you could have. Thirded! :-) And I haven't even managed to find a machine where I can run *both* the sound and the video; my Amiga can handle the sound and my father's PC can display the video... Well, I'm about to buy a PC, that should be able to handle all of it... Rob Eubanks joined the list - Welcome! > The thing that was really weird was that during that time I tried to get > my cassette out. I didn't manage that until just after the 30 minute > Happy Rhodes music block was finished--and I mean *right after* it was > done, the cassette just sort of "popped out". I haven't had any trouble > with it since. Hmm, considering all the talk on gaffa about Kate Bush being a Wiccan, perhaps it would be more appropriate to check Happy's credentials? ;-) > I'm still waiting to pick up Maire Brennan's new release. Apparently, > it hasn't made it to Missouri yet. Anyone heard it yet? The "Misty Eyed Adventures" album? Yep, it's fairly good, though it took a few listens before it grabbed me... > I think there is a Dane out there who has posted to ecto in the past. > I think his name is Jens. Yep! > Hej, hej Jens! Hvordan gar det? Jeg hedder Rob og har jeg studerede > pa DIS i Kobenhavn for lang tid siden. Hej, velkommen til ecto! DIS, er det den internationale skole der ligger paa Gl. Kongevej ved soerne? Jeg sender dig noget personlig email senere... > Sorry for the bad grammar, but I wanted to give it a shot. It's been > so long! Also, I love Denmark. It had a MAJOR influence on my life. He, that's what I've always said: More ectophiles should visit Denmark! :-) Sue interprets: > Heh heh -- for you non-Scandinavian ectophiles out there: Rob is telling > Jens that he studied at DIS in Copenhagen a long time ago; he doesn't > remember much Danish, but he would really like to try speaking it. When > he travels to Denmark on business he would very much like to meet Jens. Hey, what's this?! Are you hiding an evil past, Susanne? ;-) woj forwards: >Baez will be joined on-stage by special guests including Mary Black, Mary >Chapin Carpenter, Mimi Farina, Janis Ian, Indigo Girls, Tish Hinojosa and >The McGarrigle Sisters. The album will be released on The Grapevine Label, a >U.K.-based label. Wow! This sounds like a fairly ultimate ecto-cocktail... Now how do I get them to move these concerts to Denmark? ;-) Grapevine, btw., is the label most of Mary Black's music has been released on... >This is not the first time Baez has performed with Mary Chapin >Carpenter or the Indigo Girls. On several occasions in the past, the >four have performed as the vocal quartet "Four Voices." Anybody know if this quartet has released any albums? Joanna (welcome to you too!) swoons: > My favourite lady singer coming back! And with some of the best other > female artists around! I can hardly wait! I hope they make this into a > double-CD set...it'll be worth it to get LOTS of songs! I couldn't agree more! > Eek! I didn't mean any slight against Happy! It's just that I have been > following Ms. Baez's career since...1960. She is one of my first-ever > favourite musicians. Don't worry, as Vickie noted, we're not catholic around here. I don't actually think I'd name Happy as my favorite artist, simply because I haven't got one favorite; it all depends on my mood... > I really *like* this album, except for "Cohabitants", which > upset me pretty badly. It said in the Happy FAQ that her songs touch deep > emotions and hit nerves...well, she did! Scared the daylights outta me! :-) That *is* one of Happy's scarier songs... Now, you really have to get hold of Rhodes I & II and enjoy the covers! :-) Kate writes about a new Joan Osborne release: > I heartily recommend this album to all ectophiles. It's not quite true > etco-fodder; it's a bit grittier that I usually associate with "true" > etco-fodder (just my opinion, though). Hmm, perhaps she's marginal, but still, I think, ecto-stuff... Niele provided me with a dub of her "blue million miles" EP about a year ago, and I used to listen to it while traveling around in Australia on the Greyhounds... The same tape side also held Sara Craig and Praise EPs, and Margot Smith's album was on the other side; those songs are now pretty much associated with Australia in my brain... The tape also nicely prepared me for buying two copies of "Sleeping With The Lion" when I reached Melbourne, Margot Smith's home town... > 2. Man in a Long Black Coat (4:49) > That's all the relevant info on the back of the CD. There are, > unfortunately, no song credits, but I don't recognize any as covers > (not that *that* means much :). Hmm, track 2 isn't a cover of Bob Dylan's "Man in the Long Black Coat" (from "Oh Mercy")? Great song, and it would fit Joan Osborne's voice pretty well: "There's smoke on the water, it's been there since June Treetrunks uprooted 'neath the high crescent moon Feel the pulse and vibration and the rumblin' force Somebody is out there beating on a dead horse She never said nothin', there was nothin' she wrote She'd gone with the man in the long black coat Coming up next: My Sainkho concert report... Jens P. Brage | Why don't they give me tape? Why don't they brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | make it so I know what to do? Why don't they /\ | make it so I feel better about this? \SphereSoft | Has the Computer forgotten about me? ------------------------------ From: "Chandra L. Sriram" Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 18:20:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: new PJ Harvey i like it quite a bit--its kinda bluesy, less noise than her past stuff, but still good and disturbing. chandra On Mon, 20 Mar 1995, David Koehler wrote: > Hello, > > What do you all think of the new PJ Harvey album? I've not bought any > PJ before but the new one has been getting some great reviews, so I was > thinking about getting it. > > - Dave > ------------------------------ From: brage@sphere.home.id.dtu.dk (Jens P. Brage) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 01:13:16 MET Subject: Sainkho & Irene Becker in Concert Hi again! I saw the Siberian singer Sainkho Nam[t]chylak in concert recently (on friday the 10th), with Irene Becker (a Danish jazz composer/performer) on keyboards. Sainkho has been mentioned on ecto a few times before, most notably by Paula Shanks (back in 1993): > I don't think I've seen Sainkho discussed here. She's one of > those throat singers out of Central Asia, and is compared (why, I > can't fathom) to Diamanda Galas in the liner notes. Some of it is > folky, some of it is a little soullessly world beat, but it's all > interesting. Well, I can quite well understand the comparison to Diamanda Galas: Sainkho is the only singer I know who even comes close to giving Galas a run for her money... More about that later! Well, the concert was set in a church (nice!), Christianskirken, in Copenhagen; a few years ago I saw a cross-over concert featuring Liam O'Flynn in the same church. The acoustics aren't perfect, but the setting is about as good as it gets (it is a smallish sailor's church)... Musically, the concert was pretty amazing - Sainkho has an impressive vocal control, in anything from pretty singing over multi-tone vocals and bird imitation to screaming and talking in tongues... A brief description of the concert would be something like mixture of Enya and Galas, a bit inspired by Vangelis and with a pinch of jazz... Plus all the rest, of course... ;-) Not the easiest music to describe! After the concert, I bought the three CDs available (one of them were for Klaus): Sainkho Namtchylak: "Lost Rivers" (1992) Sainkho Namchylak: "Letters" (1993) Irene Becker & Sainkho: "Dancing on the Island" (1993) These albums are pretty different: "Lost Rivers" is by far the most experimental and extreme; the comparison to Diamanda Galas is *very* obvious here. There's one major difference to DG, though: Whereas the anger seems to permeate everything Galas does, Sainkho's music is more like small display cases, each showing an emotion: Anger, fright, joy, inquisitiveness... This is also obvious in concert: Not only is Sainkho extremely charming, but she also manages to make a total change of mood from one song to another. For instance, one of the songs had a `refrain' of something like "every morning I want to die", recited in a pretty terrible voice and acted out pretty violently; then she got up from the floor, smiled, and launched into a children's song (I think it was). Talk about contrasts... "Letters" is a lot more melodic, there's even something resembling a jazz tune on this album! ;-) Still, there's also quite a bit of growling etc. "Dancing on the Island" is rather different, this is where the Enya-like aspect comes in; the opening song "One Morning" is quite beautiful... Other tracks depart pretty much from Western styles; for instance the title track is pretty arythmic. Well, in a few days Klaus should have a chance to evaluate her music, so perhaps you'll get a second opinion; for my part, I'd say that Sainkho is definite ecto material... Recommended, especially for those who also like, hmm, `experimental' singers... Btw, from the notes to "Letter 4", it seems that Sainkho has had the same offer frm Andreas Vollenwieder that Happy had... Oh, almost forgot: Is it general ecto-knowledge that Mari Boine has a new CD out? I haven't seen a copy yet, and I do not even know the title, but it should be released... When I saw Meredith Monk, they were playing some Mari Boine music in the foyer before the concert; it sounded somewhat like the music from "Goaskinviellja", but was probably from the new album... Jens P. Brage | Why don't they give me tape? Why don't they brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | make it so I know what to do? Why don't they /\ | make it so I feel better about this? \SphereSoft | Has the Computer forgotten about me? ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 19:37:37 EST Subject: Syncronicity A day after I got caught up on the backlog after the Carolina Toasternet crashed, it crashed again. I just caught up again, now that it finally uncrashed again, not long after a famous UNC grad said, "I'm back." Could the system down there be especially sensitive to regional sentimentalities, especially WRT people in Chicago? :-) So Tori really was a cornflake girl :-). WRT vintage TV: The Pepsi commercial with Michael J. Fox and Jennifer Lien also had Gail (_NYPD Blue_) O'Grady as Lien's friend. And Nana Visitor (_DS9_) used to be in a short-lived series knockoff of _Working Girl_, playing Sigourney Weaver opposite Sandra (_Speed_) Bullock's Melanie Griffith. Mitch ------------------------------ From: "R. N. Dominick" Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:11:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: new PJ Harvey > What do you all think of the new PJ Harvey album? I've not bought any > PJ before but the new one has been getting some great reviews, so I was > thinking about getting it. It's different than _Rid Of Me_. Not better, not worse, just different. She ditched Steve Albini (or whatever his name is; the producer), which is one of the better moves anyone could make. (I find his production/mixing style abhorrent; _RoM_ could have sounded SO much better!) It ranges from... well, PJ Harvey's famous sound, I guess (if you've seen the videos for "50 Ft. Queenie" and "Rid Of Me", you know what I mean) to surprisingly melodic ballads to mixtures of the two. I really like it, and find myself thinking of the songs often. (I can't now, because I've got my new Bettie Serveert CD pounding in my ears.) Definitely worth a listen! - --r. - -- This is a completely unusable thingamabob. cinnamon@one.net ------------------------------ From: Irvin Fei-Chiang Lin Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:00:14 -0600 (GMT-0600) Subject: paula cole article. this is a bit long, but someone wanted me to post it and so i am. you can go ahead and skip it if you want.... taken from the st. louis Post-Dispatch "the arts & entertainment" section. i have no affiliation with them, other than that i subscribe to it (special student rate!) and all typos are yours truly. and since i am lazy i rarely use capital letters. sorry about that. and yes the post dispatch DID use them though. _From the pages of her life_ " 'harbinger' mirrorse Cole's growth by alan sculley Paula Cole writes in such an honest, confessional style that it seems hard to seperate her music from her life. So it makes perfect sense that when Cole talks aboutu how she developed her emotionally resonant songwriting style, her personal musical lives are very intertwined. the turning point came whil cole, now 26, was attending Berklee School of Music in Boston. She had fully intended to master the art of jazz singing, but near the end of her years at Berklee, she turned away from this ambition. Part of the reason stemmed from a desire to express herself and create an individual style. "i came to a crossroads," cole said. "I made a decision. i tried to envision myself in my future, and somehow envisoining myself as a jazzz vocalist wasn't that pleasing to me. I couldn't see myself undergoing hours and hors of practising and being this cerebral vocal improviser that i wanted to be." But another key factor in Cole's decisoin came form a more personal nonmusical source. COle who is from rockport, Mass., grew up in a poor family, and partly because of her modest circumstances, she had been focused on impressing those around her. Those realities flavor several songs on her debut CD "hrabinger." Two lines in the song "bethlehem" drive home the mindset Cole took with her to berklee: "i've lost five pounds these past few days trying to be class president and get straight A's" "I was going for that image," she explained. "I wanted to be a cheerleader. I thought that being class president would make me happy. I thought it would make me popular, smart, and respected. "maybe in some ways it did, but i was miserable," Cole said, accenting the word miserable. "the core of me, that was not me. That was me trying to behave in society, like a lot of us do." When cole quit worrying about how she appeared to others, her life and her music began to make much more sense. "I had a turning point," COle said. "I think it was about the same time that i decided to stop jazz and become my own artist, because in some ways, i was still tyring to be the class president. I was trying to to be that vocal improviser. It was all this cerebral notion, this contrived notion of myself. If i could be a jazz imporviser and cut new ground musically, i would be proud of myself and everybosy woudl have been proud of me. But I wouldn't have been happy inside. "I started to get really depressed. It was like the devil inside of me. I was confronting all that darkness. I needed to decide what to do with my life, and i wasn't happy on the road i was going. I was fulfilling other people's and my own misled conception of myself. "so that's when i went into therapy, and i was really transformed, actually. i realized that it wasn;t so terrible and it wasn't so scary to go into a room and talk about yourself and learn about yourself." Still, taking the final stpe from deciding to create a personal style to actually writing the songs and playing them for others was a significant hurdle. "i was really shy about it," Cole said of her songwriting. "I lacked a confidence and self-esteem, and it was such a new medium for me to express myself that i was relaly lucky to have a couple of people aorund there that just gave me that extra inch, you know, that compliment and that encouragement that made me write another song and aonther song and add another lind to the chain that helped me to get where i am today." In forming her musical style, cole found inspiration from two landmark records released in the mid-80's. "At that kind of cruicial time, i was listening to KaTe Bush's 'hounds of love' and Peter Gabriel's 'so' album, which i think are very cinematic streams of consciousness," cole said. It's very musical. It's almost like a watercolor painting. It's so visual. I see events happening within the music. That was so stimulating to me. It was so artistic. It was more like a visual artist than an aural artist. I loved their music in that way. "I was really inspired to start writing my own music after eharing theirs, especially 'hounds of love' because it was so crazy. It was so courageous and weird. I though 'oh my god, she has the courage to step out like this be so bold and so strange.' I loved it. I thought it was fantastic adn that i should at least try. after graduating from berklee, cole moved to san francisco. WHile she had frequently played culb gigs around boston, after arriving in san fracisco, cole focused nearly all her musical efforts on songs that would appear on "harbinger." the isolated enviroment, cole said, was what the songs needed. "i just literally was a hermitess, and i wrote songs in my bedroom and recorded them in my bedroom, " she said. "and that little bubble of intimacy and loneliness worked, because they came out into the art, they came out into the songs that got me signed." A demo tape cole made had drawn the interest of Imago records. after a showcase performance for label president terry ellis, a deal was made, and cold went to work recording "harbinger" with producer kevin killen. The record that emerged displays a sound that, like KaTe Bush's, defies easy catagorization beyond the broad umbrella description of pop. Cole's music, however, is far more intimate, with many songs soaring behind lovely vocal melodies. Cole said she came into the recording sessions with some clear ideas about the personality "harbinger" would possess. "i wanted to be honest and personal, and i had a strong body of songs, so that each song was going to be a little movie," cole said. "I didint't actually have an overall sense of an album...because these songs were a reflection of my life up to that point. and that's a lot of time. " 'harbinger' is my youth, my adolescence and my creative outburst. that is why i called 'harbinger.' it's my symbol of what's to come in my creative birth, whereas the next album will be of a more matured adult point of view. It's not going to be coimgn from teh child as much." allan sculley writes on pop and rock musci for a number of publications. irvin lin is a student who is worried about what he will be doing after he graduates in may. his fingers are tired. ------------------------------ From: johnh@astro.as.utexas.edu (John Higdon) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:44:15 -0600 Subject: Freedom Sessions Hello, Last night on 120 Minutes, Sarah mentioned her new EP to be released soon, the Freedom Sessions. Today, I happened to be near one of those MUSE music info things, and found a mention for this release. It said that it would be due out March 28, listed several songs from FTE for which early versions would be included, and also mentioned (incredible as it sounds) that the EP would also include 30 minutes worth of multimedia stuff on a bonus track. Reading a few of the most recent ecto posts reveals to me that this EP has already been discussed, and it seems some of you even have it already. So, what indeed does this release have in the way of multimedia, specifically. Is it awesome? And is it just me, or is this a first (including multimedia CD-ROM material on an otherwise normal music release)? Plus, is the EP expected to be hard to find, and so should I contact Nettwork directly and order one? And--finally, on this thread--what is the full address of the Sarah list, just in case I decide that I can really handle multiple lists? By the wa BTW, just before I left Texas (and lost stable communication for awhile; I currently am finding it easiest to telnet to my old account from my father's account, in Alabama), I heard a mention of the creation of a Melissa Ferrick list. If this is correct, could someone send me the subscription address? Meredith: What was the release date for the new Ingrid Karklins release according to the postcard you received? Are there any other ectophile's in Alabama? John H. (The Watcher) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #55 ************************* ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu