From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #39 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 3 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 039 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WretchAwry Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:19:17 EST Subject: The Nina Hagen Polka Band? :-) Blatently stolen from alt.music.alternative... Vickie - --------------------------------------------- From: kw1247@albnyvms.bitnet (Ken W.) Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative Subject: review- Nina Hagen/NYC Date: 25 Feb 1995 21:33:22 GMT Organization: University of Albany, SUNY I saw Nina Hagen in NYC at the Limelight on Thurs. 2/23, and would like to tell about it. First of all, she said that has left Germany and will never return again. It has to do with neo-nazi activity. She got married two days before the show to an American and will actually give up her German citizenship and become American. The show was really good; just watching Nina with that voice is so incredible. One thing I still don't get is that back-up band she had. They are an all-female punk band from LA called Snap-Her. Two had mohawks and one had very big hair. The thing is that they just don't play well the type of stuff that Nina used to do. She did Born in Xixax and Cosma Shiva and they just didn't sound like they should've. They're even going to do an album together soon. Nina said that they had just hooked up about 10 days before the show. My guess is that maybe her old band was German, and they didn't want to leave. Her husband's last name is Polk (he's in a band called Fe-Fe) so her new name is Nina Hagen Polk. The name of the new band is The Nina Hagen PolkA Band. Anyway, the show was great and Nina was great. I think she may have the coolest female voice. And this is definitely a great "chick" band. I'm sure they'll write some really cool stuff. If anyone gets the chance to see her, I highly suggest it. Ken ------------------------------ From: Laurel Krahn Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:20:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Cool story to look for in the future On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Kiri Hargie wrote: > A few weeks ago I went to a convention where Jane Yolen was a guest > speaker. She's a super cool writer, and if you have not read > anything by her I suggest you go out and do so... By all means. Most of her books are young adult and/or children's books. Often Fantasy. And they're wonderful for folks of all ages (my personal favorite is "Sleeping Ugly"). She also writes great poetry... and song lyrics. Her "adult" fiction is also good. _Briar Rose_ is particularly wonderful. Her son, Adam Stemple, now sings/plays guitar/writes songs for the band Boiled in Lead. They're a difficult band to describe-- worldbeat, rock, trad, folk, blues, etc. etc. etc. They've done it all. Jane penned lyrics for one song on their latest album _Antler Dance_. Adam has also been a member of the band Cats Laughing (infamous for their music, an appearance in X-men comics, and the fact that two well known fantasy authors are members of the band-- Emma Bull and Steven Brust). Boiled in Lead's next album is "Songs from _The Gypsy_". All songs penned (I believe) by Steven Brust and Adam Stemple. Songs from the novel _The Gypsy_ by Steven Brust and Megan Lindholm. Jane can sing darn well in her own right, as well. :) > The story is based on Neil Gaiman's Sandman character Death. Suffice > it to say Jane had Death pegged perfectly. This story will be > published -we hope- with other stories that Neil has asked authors > to write about his characters. Godmother Death is terrific, if > you ever get a chance to see Jane Yolen do a reading, ask her > to read it! And, if you are a Sandman or Death fan, keep on the > look out, this has the potential of being a really good read. Run, don't walk, to hear Jane do a reading. She is a storyteller, first and foremost. One of the best. I haven't heard lately the details on the Sandman related anthology. I know Neil is excited about it and I've heard bits about who is contributing what. Enough to thoroughly tantalize me. (Which reminds me-- fans of Neil's should note that the Flash Girls are in the studio right now recording their second album. Which again features many songs that Neil has written. And other surprises from unexpected sources. :) Their first album was well-received. And I love it. But was recorded when the Girls admittedly didn't know what they were doing. which is why this one should be incredible. ) Best, Laurel Krahn (lakrahn@iw.net) Director of Operations Iway Internet Services Sioux Falls, South Dakota http://www.iw.net/ ------------------------------ From: Stuart Myerburg Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:57:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Grammy's and Annie Lennox > Did anyone notice that Tori did not seem happy at all? She hardly spoke, > didn't really smile, and paled next to Carly's ebulliance. Maybe it was because she already knew she had lost "Best Alternative Album" to Green Day, although I really can't imagine Tori getting that upset over losing. Whatever the case, the Grammy committee should be shot for picking Green Day over Tori, Sarah, and NIN. > Annie Lennox won the oddball appearance award last night. She had on a > patent-leather swedish schoolgirl fetish outfit. Plus (a wig? I hope) > hair that resembled Mickey Mouse on a bad day. Speaking of whom, our > local POP/Top40 station has started to play her new single. It is really > great, sounds rather mystical, and inspirational. Was it "No More `I Love You's'"? The CD single for that is out, and also includes Joni Mitchell's "Ladies of the Canyon" and "Love Song for a Vampire." It's all quite wonderful. And, with Tori, Sarah, and Annie all covering Joni Mitchell, I finally bought _Blue_, my first Joni CD. Now I must have all of them. How have I missed out on her for so long? > The DJ said that her new album is coming out very soon, and will be primarily > cover songs. It's going to be all covers. In the new _Vanity Fair_, there is an article on Annie. She mentioned among the covers will be "A Whiter Shade of Pale," "Don't Let it Bring You Down," and songs by Bob Marley, Paul Simon, and the Temptations. It'll be out March 14 and is called _Medusa_. Stuart ------------------------------ From: "Ray H. Misra" Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:39:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: This, that, the other thing On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Martin G Bridges wrote: > > Probably shouldn't be clogging up the list with this but I thought those of > you with a passing interest in British comedy might not be aware that Kenny > Everett (referenced in the above posts) is in the latter stages of AIDS. > According to newspaper reports recently he is critically ill and cannot > have long left. It will be a sad loss. > > Martin > Oooooo, an irrelevant thread--I love these! I may finally be in company with someone who will appreciate this little reference: THE GOODIES!!! "Bats have problems, too. He's afraid of the dark." "I spy, wiv my little eye, something beginning wiv "C"." "It's down to just _a_ mump now." "Why are you painting the entire room black and white?" "I'm making a black and white film!" And, of course, the classic, the venerable.... HEENZ MEENZ BEENZ!!!!!! Not bad for a yank, I don't think. With such brilliant stuff available, why does anyone even allow the cast of "Are You Being Served?" to live?? :-) Doing anything, anytime, anywhere, Ray ------------------------------ From: mklprc@teleport.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:13:07 -0800 Subject: found a new Happyfan Dropped by Galleri 8 in Portland last week to visit a friend and see the exhibits (experimental/erotic photo art). In the background, I heard an unfamiliar version of The Big Sky. Mentioned it to Cyoakha, the owner/artist who loved the fact that I 1) recognized Kate at all, and 2) could tell that it was unusual. In talking to her, I learned that she is a musician in a band called Land of the Blind. We started talking about influences and I told her about Happy, and Ecto -- the list and the genre/classification we are all part of. She told me that she grew up on Kate and is very influenced. She also knows of many of the other artists we talk about here. Tonight I came back and gave her a copy of RhodeSongs and she utterly flipped. She loves Happy like crazy. Today was "first Thursday," a monthly open-house event for all the art galleries, so a lot of people passed through all evening. She put the Happy tape on continuous replay and people were all commenting! A few could tell it wasn't Kate, others didn't even know the reference. All who asked were clued in. Next week I go hear Cyoakha's band. She loves the idea of ecto and has adopted it as a reference for the kind of sound her band does. I can hardly wait! It's like helping someone find a home. Land of the Blind's cd will be coming out in April. I will be giving a report on the concert tomorrow night and the record later. NW ectophiles might want to risk a visit to Yen Ha's, NE 68th & Sandy, after 9pm Friday (free admission) to hear them with me. mp PS: Has anyone seen the films of Maya Deren? They were played tonight at the Galleri while a local ambient band did the soundtrack (silent films). Bizarre experimental films from 1944-46. I had never seen or heard of her before. - -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you. | | mklprc@aol.com | Knowledge for the pupil -er- people. | | mklprc@teleport.com | Give them a light and they'll | | "annoying Xists since 1966" | follow it anywhere! -- Firesign | - ----------------------------->((^o0o^))<---------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Ray H. Misra" Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 02:08:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Cool story to look for in the future Does anyone other than me think that Neil's best work is already light-years behind him, and he's turned into the gothic Chris Claremont? For me, it's all been downhill for the past few years, beginning with "A Game Of You". Since then, I've been annoyed with _Death: The High Cost of Living_, _The Children's Crusade_ and his highly forgettable _Spawn_ fill-in. The magic isn't there anymore. The horror isn't scary, the pathos isn't touching, and the random references are more and more cloying all the time. Perhaps it's true what they say about the light that burns twice as bright. I remember reading his _Black Orchid_ and his Mr. X story from _A-1_ (for good measure, let's throw in his Poison Ivy _Secret Origin_) when he was first getting recognition on this side of the pond, and my dander rising immediately: "Aha! A pretender to the Moore throne!". Grant Morrison's ascendance was at about the same time, but I never said that about him, simply because his work was more, well, relaxed. Less formulaic. Neil's early stuff, on the other hand, seemed overly rigid: "Okay, Alan would do a scene featuring characters draped entirely in shadow here, so I'll insert one of those here. This is where Alan would put an ironic cultural reference, so I'd better put in one of those right here. Now here, Alan might...". This general sense of disappointment was why ignored _Sandman_--D'OH! For the next two and a half years, though, I followed it faithfully. What happened? Nonetheless, I will look for this short story compilation, mostly out of respect for the man's past achievements. On that topic, hunt down a copy of "The Further Adventures of the Joker", edited by Martin H. Greenberg. No other short story edition introduced me to as many great writers as this one did....Joe Lansdale, Ed Wellen, Garfield Reeves-Stevens, F. Paul Wilson and others. There are other such books, featuring the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Spiderman, the Penguin, Catwoman and Dick Tracy, but this is the only one I've been from cover to cover with. Proud that he finally got to address a topic he _knows_ something about, Ray :-) P.S. Does anyone other than me find it insufferably annoying that Vertigo ignores the universe surrounding it? For _Shade_ or _Hellblazer_, that works fine, since buffed, callipygous men and women in tights would only be a distraction there. But anyone who would say that the superheroes who habitually dropped in on books like _Sandman_, _Swamp Thing_ and (especially) _Animal Man_ obviously never read (a) the Sandman story with Mister Miracle and Martian Manhunter, (b) Alan Moore's Swamp Thing vs. Batman, (c) Rick Veitch's _classic_ Swampy vs. Superman, (d) Neil's own _Books of Magic_, (e) any issue of Morrison's _Animal Man_, or (f) Nancy Collins' _Swamp Thing_, as her "Superheroes need not apply" aesthetic didn't prevent her from going on to become the worst writer in Swampy's 20-year history, which, let me tell you, takes _some doing_. ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 2:19:53 EST Subject: Kenny Everett I only know him from the slice of Kate Bush bits we've collected. (set ears for lowlow Laurie Anderson-ish, cockney voice) "Do you know me? I used to be Kate Bush" :-) Vickie "...carbolic soap, and just leave it messy" Kate on Kenny Everett ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 3:46:01 EST Subject: I'm sad, may I ramble? I keep thinking about Rod...it's really wonderful to see the many people who crossed paths with him speaking up. I hadn't spoken with him for so long...I wish I'd had recent contact with him. It's just so sad. The only thing I can think of to make it even a little bit better is the description that made it sound as if Rod passed away in his sleep, and probably, hopefully, didn't suffer pain. A peaceful death...I'm hanging on to that thought. It helps me to think that he went peacefully...I hope he did. It sounds as if he did. He was at his computer, something he loved. He looked as if he were sleeping. Perhaps he was listening to music at the time. I hope so. Oh Rod :-( I keep thinking about Greg Louganis...I ache for him and the pressure he's had to deal with all throughout his life, and what he has to look forward to. I only knew him through his public persona, and who knew what he was dealing with? We (meaning the mass of people on the other side of the TV screen) had no idea. No idea. I'm angry because I heard the first (of many, probably) Louganis jokes. I want to scream and rant and rave and curse, but I can't. I'm too numb. He's getting lots of support, which is so nice. No matter *what*, no matter what *he* says, he is a role model. For people who are adopted, for people who are dyslexic, for people who are pushed around in school, for people who are gay, for people who are HIV+, for people who have AIDS, for people who have been abused, for people who have been raped, for people who have secrets and want to tell them, for people who have made awful mistakes and are scared by the choices they made (meaning the head-banging incident, not being gay) and for everyone (that's all of us) who are facing death. For human beings. He's an amazing guy. He didn't have to tell. Hooray for Speedo and the Olympic committee, who seem to be standing by him. I don't wear anything by Speedo, so I can't really support them financially, but I'd like to tell them how much I admire them for using Greg in their ads, and for not dropping him now. Wish I could congratulate McDonalds, Wheaties and other big-time corporate sponsers, but no...none of them signed Louganis for commercial contracts after his gold medal performances. A rumour, perhaps? Gay? Perhaps. If so, fie on any corporation who shied away from Greg. :-( The times, they are a 'changing (not "back") and someday it really won't matter, and we'll see an openly gay athelete on the front of a Wheaties box. It may not be for a long time, but it'll happen. Too late for Greg, but he will have done a great deal of good to pave the way. I believe that. I don't believe that AIDS is a moral issue. It's a *virus*, and it's not "god's gift to mankind" (who said that? Jerry Fallwell?) and it makes no difference how it was contracted. I can't believe that are still people who will judge someone who has HIV/AIDS based on *how* they got it. The mind boggles. Even supporters can use words in a way to condemn, even if they don't mean to do that. I couldn't believe Barbara Walters and Oprah Winfrey, both ardent Louganis supporters, said things like "you've admitted that you have AIDS" or "you admit that you're gay" ... ADMIT?? My dictionary says "confess" in the entry for "admit" and it just bothers the *hell* out of me to hear supporters use that word. You "admit" to something you've done wrong. You admit that you murdered someone. You admit that you cheated on your taxes. You admit that you stole #20.00 from your mother's purse whe you were 12. You admit that you were HIV+ when you hit your head on a diving board and bled in the water and didn't tell the doctor who stiched you up. You don't "admit" to being gay! You tell people that you're gay. I don't have to admit to being a female. I tell people that I am, because I am. You don't "admit" to being HIV+/having AIDS! You say that you are. I don't admit to having Major Depression...I happen to be suffering from it. Admit...I heard that word one too many times (in the *wrong* context) this week. Our best friend when we lived in Kansas City...our friend Tim, died of AIDS last year. I posted, very freaked out, when he was diagnosed, but didn't say anything when he died. I don't know why, except that it was just too......too. Painful. I couldn't talk about it. I still can't talk about it, really. Greg Louganis and his story has affected me deeply. Perhaps I'm feeling for Greg what I should feel for Tim, but can't, because it's too *close* to me. I don't know :-( I think that everyone I've known who has died (and there have been many), died a violent and/or painful death. I think that's why it helps me to think that Rod died a peaceful death. I hope so. I don't believe in an afterlife, but I still want to send virtual *HUGS* to Rod...Revvie. Whereever you are. :-( Vickie - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Happy Rhodes Ecto ODE Believe..the sun will come out again the sun will come out again Believe..your love will return again your love will return again Never cry for the rain (never cry, never cry for the rain) It brings us soothing sounds to sleep by And never cry because you feel unloved (never cry, never cry 'cause you're unloved) That's what your arms are for To wrap them around yourself And believe..the sun will come out again the sun will come out again Believe..your love will return again your love will return again Never cry because you're lonely (never cry, never cry 'cause you're alone) Your love will always be around the bend And never cry because you think you can't make it (never cry, never cry 'cause you can't make it) You've made it this far That's better than most Believe..the sun will come out again the sun will come out again Believe..your love will return again your love will return again Never cry because you're scared (never cry, never cry because you're scared) The only thing that can harm you is your fear And don't ask why you must hurt so much (don't ask why, don't ask why you hurt so much) It's just a process of healing Remember.. To believe..believe when I say..that I believe in you yes I believe in you Believe..believe when I say..that I'll love you always yes I'll love you always - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: SUZANNE WEISS Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:01:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: I'm sad, may I ramble? vickie.... ::weak smiles:: been a tough week for me... then hearing about Revvie.... ::sniffles:: I shall miss him... hadn't talked to him in quite a while and, as you said, I hope that when he met death (and I tend to think of her as the character in "Sandman") it was peaceful and surrounded by things that gave him great pleasure. you were the first to introduce me to #ecto.... and Revvie was one of the first I met while there... I think we both discovered it at the same time.... I shall miss him and his gentleness. you made me cry... what you said was so very true... thank you for saying it... the tears helped ease some of the pain and lonelyness. I'm glad I was here to listen. ::mondo tight huggles:: suzy (AKA dreaming) ------------------------------ From: DJNikPopa@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 06:14:47 -0500 Subject: A new age of the CD Greetings all, I was apparently bumped off ECTO a while back, I have been so busy writing and DJ'n. . . . . .Word is there may be some dance mixes made for SARA's "POSSESSION" If you don't have, YOU MUST get the Canadian CD5 as there is a mix that is truely unique, I got THE FREEDOM SESSIONS a few weeks ago, which is CANADA-ONLY Until it is released in a few weeks in the US, . . .If you have CD-ROM drive, you will be in for a surprise, since you will get to "meet" SARAH! But hey, Won't you reply to these questions? I am preparing an article for TAB magazine in which I review 4 cd's not for their musical content, But for the computer programs contained on them, . . Do you think this is just another play on TODAY'S technology?--Do you have any direct opinions?---- a future? I am reviewing SARAH McLACHLAN's "FREEDOM SESSIONS", CHRIS VON SNEIDERN's "BIG WHITE LIES", PENAL COLONY's "5 MAN JOB", and 2 MINUTES HATE's "WORM". . . . .Only one band is ELECTRONIC-ORIENTED, . . . three of the disks are a "Meet me and my band" - "Click here now" - Kind of press-kit, . . . one of the disks just has QUICK TIME movies that run with a certain song, . . . two are MAC/IBM compatable and two are ONLY MAC. . . . . . WHEW!!!! Thanks, ----Nik> ------------------------------ From: Jason Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:35:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Grammy's and Annie Lennox Annie Lennox did seem rather odd in her Minney Mouse garb. However, she seemed to compliment George Michael pretty well. :) Annie Lennox's single, "No more 'I love you's'" has grown to be my favorite songs at the moment. When I first saw the video on VH-1, I had to go out and purchase it on the day of its release. The album, "Medusa," a collection of covers done by Annie Lennox, isn't due out until March 14th. If you really want to hear the single, GO OUT AND GET THE SINGLE! Heck, go out and get the single if you've already heard it and like the song. It's well worth it. The two other songs on there are really amazing. The first track is "No more...," the second track is a cover of the song, "Ladies of the Canyon" that was originally done by Joni Mitchell, and the third song is, "Love song for a vampire," which I had to purchase the soundtracks to Bram Stoker's "Dracula" to get. And Tori didn't seem too happy. Maybe she was just stage-shy. As the Boss said, it's different behind a mic when you're not performing. Love, peace, and endless joy, Jason ------------------------------ From: Jason Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 04:41:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Happy and Jewel I know Happy's performed in the East coast many-a-times. Will she ever come down to LA and do some shows? I'm DYING to see her live, but can't make the trip over to the East. If anyone has information regarding Happy, I'd greatly appreciate it. Now, here's a long overdue impression of Jewel's album... First of all, it took me several listens to fully appreciate her album. She has a lulling quality about her voice that mesmerizes you if you allow it to. Jewel has a clean and clear, penetrating voice that tends to veer into the soothing and emotionally arousing qualities of Sarah McLachlan. Since Jewel has many variations in the kind of songs she sings, one single style cannot describe Jewel. However, I'll attempt to express how her music is like by comparing her to various people that we know and love. Let me start off with a couple of easier ones first. "Little Sister," "Near you Always," the third and the fifth tracks of the album repectively sounds very much like what Joni Mitchell would do, both musically and lyrically. The little sudden fluctuations in the way she sings her lyrics is VERY reminescent of something Joni would do. The lightest songs on the album, "Morning Song," is both playful and romantic in its simplicity. The song seems to paint quite an interesting picture of many details. Overall, a very pleasant song to listen to. shoot... gotta run... more on Jewel later. Jason ------------------------------ From: Michael Colford Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:22:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sara Craig in Boston To all Boston-area ectophile (and Neile,) I didn't even know Sara Craig's album, _Sweet exhaust_ was available in the States, but apparently it is. In this week's copy of the Boston Phoenix, there is an ad for a Sara Craig show next Tues. (Mar. 7) night! I foolishly left the Phoenix at home, so I can't type it in verbatim, but it was something like this... MuchMusic and Tower Records presents... Sara Craig in concert at Mama Kin (the new Aerosmith-owned club on Landsdowne St.) Tues., March 7. Then it went on to compare her new video (?!?!) for "Thank you very much" to work by Peter Gabriel. It also said that her new CD is available at Tower Records. There was a fairly large picture of the album cover. The ad is good size, oh 1/8 to 1/4 of a page, in the Arts section amidst the club listings. I was fortunate enough to see Sara live in Toronto several years ago at the CD release party for her 1st EP. She is a riveting live performer. You've probably seen Neile's posts about her, I'll add that she's kind of a melodic PJ Harvey. Her new CD is pretty intense and worth a listen. I hope I can make it to the show Tues.! Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noble.mass.edu | *North of Boston Library Exchange* -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: yosborne@yorkcol.edu Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 09:22:03 EST Subject: Female artists Hello, My name is Yvette and I recently received word from a person, Michael Mendelson-MJM@zylab.mhs.compuserve.com, and he mentioned that you knew all the new music and stuff about female artists. My favorite artist is Tori Amos. I was wondering what you had on or about her. Thank you Yosborne@Yorkcol.edu Yvette ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:45:46 -0500 Subject: Wall of Death Sorry, no Neil Gaiman content... JeffW pointed out Wall of Death on the new Maura and Pete Kennedy album. (They are MD locals, so I'm embaressed that out of towners saw them before me.) Just thought I'd point out that that's an old Richard Thompson song, originally on the Richard and Linda Thompson album "Shoot Out the Lights". I noticed this month is the release of tribute albums for both Led Zepellin and (another) Leonard Cohen. Tori is on both of them, and sings with Robert Plant on the Zep one. The LC album has some other cool people, like Peter Gabriel and Suzanne Vega, but both also have a fair number of less appealing looking names. Plus that 4-disc abba retrospective we've all been waiting for :) Neal ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #39 ************************* ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu