From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #36 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 28 February 1995 Volume 02 : Number 036 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WretchAwry Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 1:39:46 EST Subject: Re: Terrible news re: Rod L. Bourland. Neil writes: > A friend of Rod Bourland's came by #ecto today... a man named Keith Fisher. > > According to Mr. Fisher, Rod Bourland ("Revvie" on #ecto) died very > recently of heart failure. :( :( At this time I don't know any more and I > don't have any other confirmation of this... but if it's true it's horrible > news. This is so sad. I can't imagine why Keith Fisher would say something like this if it weren't true, but I too hope it's a cruel joke. If it's true....oh man :-( I talked to revvie a lot when I was a regular on #ecto, and he called once on the phone when there was a misunderstanding and I was kicked off by a non-regular. I logged off and revvie called me long distance just to tell me that everyone else had kicked the person that kicked me. He wanted to make sure my feelings weren't hurt, and for me to come back. I felt bad for the person who was kicked because of me, because it was all my fault. Anyway, it all got straightened out. Thanks to revvie and the others on the channel. Rod always seemed to have trouble posting to Ecto, which is why his name (probably) isn't familiar to those who don't do irc. He always wanted to tell the wonderful story of how....mmmm, it's been a long time since I heard the story...Philip Sainty (Fili) and Suzanne (dreaming) and others (???who???) saved his life while on #ecto. He may be gone, but he lived longer than he would have if not for #ecto and the people involved. He was greatful, so it wasn't for naught. Please, someone who was there that night...tell what happened. I wasn't there, so I'd just be passing along 2nd hand info. It was dramatic, and it was a wonderful moment in Ecto/#ecto history. Since Rod never got to tell his story, please, someone do it for him. He deserves it. Rod was also a huge Emily Bezar fan, and probably contacted her. Perhaps someone (David Dixon?) could pass the word along to her too. <*sob*> Vickie ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 23:02:20 -0800 Subject: More Re: Rod Bourland. More news. None good, I'm afraid. The funeral services are to be held at Forest Lawn, Cypress, California. Thursday, March 2 at 9 AM. Keith Fisher has told me he's going to send a copy of a eulogy his brother wrote, and I'll post it to the list when I get it. I'm forwarding people's comments to him to give to his brother Wayne and Rod's partner Axel. He also says he understands people's reluctance to believe this is happening (this being the net and all) but apparently it's true. :( - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * nkg@helix.net 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 3:09:15 EST Subject: Re: Rod Bourland > More news. None good, I'm afraid. The funeral services are to be held at > Forest Lawn, Cypress, California. Thursday, March 2 at 9 AM. > > Keith Fisher has told me he's going to send a copy of a eulogy his brother > wrote, and I'll post it to the list when I get it. I'm forwarding people's > comments to him to give to his brother Wayne and Rod's partner Axel. He > also says he understands people's reluctance to believe this is happening > (this being the net and all) but apparently it's true. :( > > - Neil K. Neil, thank you for passing along this information. Please send my warmest regards and deepest condolences to Wayne and Axel via Keith (extended to Keith himself too, and also deepest thanks to him for taking the time and effort to let #ectophiles know). I'm heartbroken :-( Vickie ------------------------------ From: Greg Bossert Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 3:19:09 EST Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #35 hi, eberybody. your hubble footah has a biserable code, a'd dhus missed the Bottob Libe show :( worse, bow i'b stuck at work widhout a ride hobe :( :( i ab hubbing to byself: oh dispair and agony on me deep dark depression excessive misery if it weren't for bad luck i'd have no luck at all oh dispair and agony on me a'd actually abswering bail! well, here's the most recent digest for starters... Markku quoted: >Larne shared: > >>While I've never plugged in a hot dog (or a tofu pup) I can highly >>recommend doing this with a pickle. the lack of context is a wonderful thing. snarfed myself silly with that first sentence... Michael Butler wonders: > Could somebody (the admin, perhaps) [unsubscribe me] done. mentioned just to show that i'm paying attention, mostly. Neal Copperman shivers: >(By the way, the Exorcist is the scariest movie I have ever seen. Has >anyone ever seen anything more terrifying?) well, i just put the new jersey state budget up for WWW access and... oh, you mean a movie. hmm, good question :) the two films that leap to mind are "The Shining" (just hit me right the first time i saw it - -- literally couldn't sleep) and "Paperhouse". the latter is a british release from the late 80s, about a little girl who gets caught up in a dream world inspired by a crayon drawing -- sort of a subtle, "Alice through the Looking Glass on Elm Street" effect, and utterly haunting. yeep. highest pulse rate was probably the first time i saw "Alien", in a large, packed, and utterly silent theater. a collegue of my parents' was sitting behind me, but was afraid to tap my shoulder lest i scream and the whole crowd panic... ;) >I thought that was pretty cool when I saw it, and wondered if this was >a known influence on the song. yup. nonetheless cool that you caught it! >I hadn't listened to the album for quite a while, and was again reminded of >it's sheer brilliance. yup. meth moves: >Everyone who is glad to see that Tori has finally decided to see >reason and stop perming her hair, please raise your hand. hmm, well, stuck here in the new jersey, "the big hair state", and accustomed as i have become to the random fluctuations in hair color/length/shape of those around me (only she isn't), well, um, hmm, i think this sentence has leaped the rails of grammer and is plunging hopelessly down the deep gorge of incoherence... is it still red (Tori's hair, that is), or was that (shudder) artificial as well? >she just sat in the corner singing "I want a mmmmmmmmOOOOOchaccino" >in a high soprano voice the entire time. *snicker* >Okay, maybe you had to be there. or, as in my case, not all here... :) >Hey, did anybody happen to be watching eMpTV this evening around 7:50 >PM EST? I was flipping through the channels to get to the one DS9 is >on when I ran into some college kids, one of whom looked *really* >familiar (though I hope she'd be graduated by now!), sitting in a >house that looked a lot like the Eclectic house at Wesleyan >University. [...] Any help would be appreciated -- this has got me >really wondering now. Thanks. that sounds a whole lot like a clip from a MTV News "documentary" on "weirdos" from last year: the Eclectic house and big red chair were certainly featured. 'twas segments on various unusual people interspersed with celebrities talking about being geeks and outcasts. no surprises, except a brief appearance by Peter Gabriel -- discussions on Ecto about similar themes have been far more interesting (and far more weird ;) along the lines of the "Rita McNeil" question, who the f**t*h is the woman on MTV's "superock", and why didn't Trent Reznor slam the piano lid on her fingers and leave??? not that *cough*cough* i watch MTV or anything... ;) actually, except for 120minutes, i mostly tune in for those little news bits. maybe it's the way Kurt Loder winces in embarassment at what he does for a living. but more likely it's in hope that Tabitha Soren will unexpectedly announce her crazed, uncontrollable passion for me... in digest 2.12, Christine Waite notes: >now the Cranes album "Loved" is "mind-fucking awesome!" indeed, could not have said it better :) the CD has been on repeat and my mind has been thrashing around under the sheets. there's this *whoooomf* about 2/3rds through the first song, where the intrumental motif comes back in, that gets me every time...! hmm, 3am and no one ever came back through to give me a lift... :P i guess i'll walk home. oh despair and agony on me... foooOOOOOOOOooootahccino! - --+ greg bossert rutgers university network services +-- - --+ bossert@noc.rutgers.edu +-- - --+ http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~bossert +-- - --+ i have never been afraid to change -- Happy +-- - --+ the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes +-- ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 03:30:07 -0500 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Pamela Pociluk (ROBNPAM@delphi.com) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Pamela Pociluk Fri February 28 1964 Pisces Tim Steele Fri March 08 1963 Pisces kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Bob Dreano Thu March 13 1958 Pisces Randall K. Smith Sat March 15 1969 Pisces Jessica Skolnik March 16 Pisces Alan Sodoma Thu March 18 1965 LuckyLurker Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Graham Dombkins Fri March 19 1965 Pisces Ian Young Wed March 19 1969 Falling Rocks Jeff Wasilko Wed March 19 1969 Pisces Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: "Lundgren, Chad" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 02:32:25 CST Subject: Thinking about Rod... 'Lo all, Hi. I read the first post this morning, about Rod's death that is. It's 2 am now and I'm wading through the follow up posts and that's what compelled me to post. I've seen Revvie on #ecto quite often. He was always very friendly. And I too heard the story of how some of the other #ecto regulars helped him out. I think it's truly sad to picture that he won't be coming onto the channel again. What really got me thinking this morning was the talk of whether or not Ecto could be considered a group. I know that most of us agreed that the definition can be too limiting and we can't really make a judgement based on it. But when I heard that Rod had died, I felt a genuine sense of sadness and some sense of loss. It makes me realize that there are people, real people on the other end of the modems. I know I've made real friends on the net, ones I value no less than the ones I meet face to face. We are a group. This is face to face contact of sorts. We all just have computerized loudspeakers. I'm gonna really miss Rod. It ain't just type on the screen and I will keep that in mind in the future. Goodbye to all my friend irl living in Ectoville. You are all included my my "irl" friends. Where else would you be? ;) Chad Chad Lundgren--------->lundgren_c@music.lib.matc.edu 2211 N. Newhall St. ************************************************* Milwaukee, WI 53202 *"Bumbie's mom is...AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!" * * -Skippy (Animaniacs) * *HUGS* and *PONGS* ************************************************* for all!!! * "Taz like Dingo" * * -Taz (Taz-Mania) * ************************************************* ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 00:41:57 -0800 Subject: We mourn the passing of Rod Bourland (fwd) Here's a message forwarded from Keith Fisher. We all owe him a debt of gratitude for taking the time to tell us the awful news. - Neil K. **************************************************** Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 00:26:15 -0800 To: neilg@sfu.ca From: khf@sos.sos.net (Keith Fisher) Subject: We mourn the passing of Rod Bourland Dear Neil, Thank you for your kindness on IRC and especially for forwarding along the messages from Rod's many friends worldwide. Such wonderful tributes! Any additional messages would be greatly appreciated by Wayne, Axel and myself. Thank you for allowing me to be an honorary ectophile. You can have no idea how difficult it was to enter an unfamiliar channel and try to find someone who knew Rod's real name and could associate it with a nick and then to give the bad news. I fully expected to be kicked off, but you were so kind. Thank you again. Here are the details as I know them. On Feb 25, 1995, Rod Bourland (known as "Revvie" on IRC and a friend of ectophiles all over the Web) passed away quietly of heart failure. His roommate, Axel, found him apparently sleeping in the glow of his computer. Axel turned off his computer and ran some errands. Upon returning he discovered that Rod had passed away and called 911. Funeral services will be held at Forest Lawn, Cypress, CA, USA on Thursday, March 2, at 9AM. I have known Rod for 25 years. We had some wonderful times together in the 70's. My most vivid memory is a week-long trip we took together to the SF Bay area in his Pinto. We drove 300 miles each way listening to David Bowie, Ogden's Nut Gone Flake and other music of the times and had a wonderful time visiting our friends, "The Petaluma People," who, at the time were planning to build a "Dome House." What great times those were. Everything seemed so possible then. Rod will forever remain alive in our memories and thoughts. My brother, Wayne Fisher posts the following msg: "Rod was my first lover and closest friend for 25 years. He is now and always will be a part of who I am, but this does not lessen the loss for me and others whose lives were touched by him. Even though we were separated by a thousand miles, we have remained close, frequently calling each other to talk. Sometimes our conversations were about problems, but more often than not they were about music. We share a great passion for music. He always enjoyed discussing new artists and looking for the cutting edge of music. "Rod was very outgoing and giving to his friends everywhere. He will be missed by those who were touched by his caring soul. "Even though he is gone he will always be a part of my life. May he remembered forever for his joy and for his love of music." ---Wayne Fisher With sadness, Keith Fisher khf@sos.net ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 00:49:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Terrible news re: Rod L. Bourland. On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, WretchAwry wrote: > > Rod was also a huge Emily Bezar fan, and probably contacted her. Perhaps > someone (David Dixon?) could pass the word along to her too. I forwarded the news to her today. This really sucks. D^2 ------------------------------ From: bridgesm@logica.co.uk (Martin G Bridges) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:39:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Curse of the Demon >Curse of the Deomn is a 1958 British film by Jacques Tourneur, based on a >story called "Casting the Runes" by Mantague James. During a seance in the >movie, a character is being warned about the curse which has been given to >him. SUddenly, the psychic sits back sharply, changes his voice, and yells >out "It's in the trees.... It's coming". Maybe this was well known, but >I was certainly thrown for a loop. I thought it was 'Night of the Demon' but I could be wrong. And yes, it is known as a direct influence on 'Hounds of Love'. The reason I know this is that it was one of the answers in the office Christmas quiz and I trawled the Kate WWW sites to find it! Martin *------------------------------------------------------------------------* * Martin G Bridges | All opinions expressed are | * * Logica UK Ltd. | mine, but may be shared! | Disqualified from * * Stephenson House |------------------------------| the human race * * 67-87 Hampstead Rd. | Email: bridgesm@logica.co.uk | for shoving * * LONDON NW1 2PL | Tel. : +44 71 637 9111 | * * U.K. | Fax. : +44 71 344 3633 | * *------------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: Kevin John Contzen Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 02:44:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Laurie Anderson Concert > I agree, the concert was excellent! I saw it here in vancouver (yes, i > live in vancouver - the nmsu address is my free mail account :) Somehow > I was not entirely stunned by it though... i think because i'd already > imagined so much of what it would be like just by listening to US live I was with you, and didn't find the concert entirely stunning, either... the concept and message and presentation were all interesting and very well done, but i didn't find any emotional presence in it... i came away with some intellectual chewiness (i can't find the word i mean, but this is close enough :) ) and a sort of "hm. neat." feeling, but that was about it.. but then, i was somewhat disenchanted with _Bright Red_ as well, and in much the same way: it simply didn't have the presence or impact for me as her earlier work... IMHO (my first little opinion acronym thingy ever! I don't know whether to laugh or cry..) the lyrics seemed less expressive/innovative type thing.. (and yes, i'll admit it, i loved the weird production from before.:) i found the production on BR to be sort of distancing, although that's probably confounded with my whole reaction to the album) > The back of the shirt starts out with the nifty slogan "One world, one > operating system", which really cracks me up... probably my favourite I liked that, too:) kevin "I dreamed I had to take a test in a Dairy Queen on another planet." -- Laurie Anderson, "Talk Normal" ------------------------------ From: Markku Kolkka Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:26:49 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: Curse of the Demon > He is passed a mysterious paper > with runes on it, which mark him as the victim of the curse. The only way > to break this curse is to pass the paper back. This also sounds _very_ familiar... > Oddly enough, > the "It's in the trees, It's coming" snippet is attached to Hounds of Love, > directly following Running Up The Hill, which doesn't seem at all related to > the movie. Have you seen the video for Hounds Of Love? In it KaTe is running through a very horror-movie like forest. > I thought that was pretty cool when I saw it, and wondered if this was > a known influence on the song. Either the quote is used somewhere else too, > or the movie provided some inspiration, though Kate ran with it in her own > way. Yes, it's a well-known influence, not only to "Hounds Of Love" but to "The Line, The Cross And The Curve" as well. - -- Markku Kolkka mk59200@cc.tut.fi ------------------------------ From: nightwol@dircon.co.uk (Steve Fagg) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:57:18 +0000 Subject: Re: More Re: Rod Bourland. At 11:02 pm 27/2/95 -0800, Neil K. wrote: > More news. None good, I'm afraid. The funeral services are to be held at >Forest Lawn, Cypress, California. Thursday, March 2 at 9 AM. Thanks neil, for passing on this information. So it's really true then. Somehow it sounded true right from the start, loth though I was to believe it. My thoughts are with Axel, Wayne, Keith, and all who knew Rod both in real life and here on the net. I'd like to encourage all here who knew Rod to observe a few moments quiet contemplation at 9am (Pacific Time) on Thursday in memory of a fine friend who has now departed this life but who will remain alive in our hearts and memories. - -- Steve Fagg a.k.a. Nightwol ( 'phone: +44-1279-402437 ) ( s.l.fagg@bnr.co.uk (work) nightwol@dircon.co.uk (home) ) *** We tried to add it all up and got merely sunrise. *** *** Try putting that in a letter to someone in exile. *** ------------------------------ From: LGONZALES@GAMMA.IS.TCU.EDU Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:17:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: subscribe Hello, I would like to subscribe to the mailing list, in hope of somehow subscribing to Sarah McLachlan's mailing list. I would prefer individual articles, please! Thanks, Lucinda ------------------------------ From: Anja Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 11:43:54 EST Subject: Very Belated Concert Report Over dinner this weekend Meth and I discussed concert reports, etc. and she convinced me to post my report from the Woodstock concert. I wrote it on the plane on my way to San Diego last August. I read it over the phone to Vickie during a layover in Chicago. Here it is: (Please pardon the naivete, it was my first concert in about 10 years.) Happy Rhodes Concert, Joyous Lake Vigil, Woodstock, NY Thursday 8/11/94 Present: Jeff, Woj, Meth, Tamar, Mike, and myself (Anja) We met at the Courtyard Mariott in Poughkeepsie, NY. We left Poughkeepsie around 7pm, drove north to Woodstock, and arrived at Joyous Lake around 7:30pm. It looks like a large house with a deck on one side, converted into a porch. As I walked in, I saw a very familiar woman standing there, but just couldn't place her. Gradually it dawned on me she was Happy, and that I was staring. Everyone else moved into the room behind me, and I fished around in my purse for the origami lobster I'd brought for her. I handed it to her, and said, 'This is for you. Thanks for the T shirt.' She took it and smiled, and said, 'You're the one who sent the kangaroo.' Then she waved the lobster at Kevin, and said, 'Hey, remember the kangaroo?' Everyone clustered around, and she told us she was scheduled to perform last, after 2 other bands, and that although she was scheduled to start at 11pm, she'd probably end up starting at midnight. Then Happy and Kevin left, and the 6 of us convinced Andrea, our waitress and also Happy's administrative assistant, to let us push together 2 tables in front of the stage near the left speaker. Later we would regret being so near this speaker. We ordered out food, and settled in for the long wait. As we waited, a couple of people went over and attempted to use the jukebox. Jeff was the last one, and as he was sticking his money in the machine, a man with a beard who was obviously very drunk started inching slowly toward him in his wheelchair. Mike and I noticed this, and watched to see what was going to happen. Jukebox Man reached Jeff, and proceeded to spend 5 minutes complaining and explaining that he had been waiting all night to hear the Stevie Nicks song he'd chosen. With admirable patience, Jeff defused the situation, chose a Stevie Nicks song as one of his options, and came back to the table. Jukebox Man was thrilled once his song started. This jukebox eventually ended up annoying us all night because people kept choosing 'Mr. Jones and Me' by Counting Crows. The bass player in the band was a year ahead of me at my high school, and Tamar knew someone who was roommates with another member of the band at Berkeley. This does not mean that either of us or the other 4 wanted to hear this song played nonstop for 7 hours. After the 4th or 5th time, everyone at the table started screaming whenever the song started, and at the 6th or 7th iteration, Tamar ran, screaming, out of the bar. The first band to play was 'Conehead Buddha.' They were actually pretty good, with a notable brass section. We would have probably enjoyed hearing them except that 1) The sound was too loud, and 2) We were right next to the left speaker, and 3) They disappeared for an hour after their sound check at 10:30, to begin playing at 11:30. With these facts in mind, we realized that it was going to be a Long Night. As our left ears became gradually more and more deaf, we passed notes written on napkins and placemats, and I started folding origami in a desperate attempt to escape mentally from the situation. I made 4 green cranes from 1 sheet of paper in a circle with their wingtips still connected. Next I cut 30 small squares out of 3 placemats, and folded 30 small diamond-shaped unites which I assembled into a stellated dodecahedron. Still bored, I put the dodecahedron on an upturned glass with the cranes circling the base, and spaced three table candles around that. This centerpiece became our unofficial ecto-shrine for the night. Andrea seemed kind-of scared of us after she saw it. She said she didn't know whether to be amazed or afraid. The next band didn't start until 12:30. They were called 'Countless Others' and they were awful. We even speculated that their parents had bought their instruments for them. They attempted to play loud ska, and it was at this point a weird guy in a bandana accosted Tamar and attempted to convince her our table was 'too mellow', and that we should drink tequila shots to remedy the situation. Finally, around 1:20 Countless Others stopped, and Happy's Rhode Crew started assembling their set. There were 2 keyboards on the right, drums in the back, cowbells, and many guitars. It took a while for all of this to assemble, and for a sound check, but finally at 1:45am or so, Happy and her band were ready. Jukebox Man yelled something about 'the most inspired band in the world' and Happy smiled and said, 'Yeah, that's right, we're the most tired band in the world.' I don't have the list of songs she played, and I can't recall them off the top of my head. Most were very familiar to me. I think 2 were from her new album, 'Building the Colossus,' which will be released on August 23. I recall enjoying the new songs very much. Throughout the concert Happy kept looking at Meth and grinning. Later when questioned, Meth couldn't explain why. At one point a woman was dancing in front of the stage in a funny way, and when she turned around with her back to Happy, Happy started imitating her. When she turned back around, Happy stopped. It was hysterical. During many of the songs I found myself singing along as I do at home alone, and in my car. The sound was so loud noone could hear me, but whenever Happy looked over at us, I felt really embarassed about it, and clammed up with a guilty look on my face. Around 2:30 Happy finished up, and went over to the bar to chat with people. I picked up the dodecahedron and brought it over to her, saying that we'd had lots of free time on our hands while waiting, and this was the result. She took it and said, 'Gee, I guess it was worth staying up this late after all, because now I've got _this_!' She handed it to the backup singer, and said something really nice about it which I have forgotten because I was so tired. Everyone else had come over by now, and showered her and Kevin with questions about the new CD and tour dates, etc. Apparently she is planning to tour some to promote her new album. We left around 3am or so, and drove back to the hotel suite to crash. It was overall a very surreal experience, partly becaue I was so tired (I am a morning person, not a late night person), and partly because I am so familiar with Happy's songs on her CDs and I almost couldn't believe she was actually right there, 3m away, singing in real life. The whole thing was really cool, even if difficult to believe. anja ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #36 ************************* ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu