From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #13 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 2 February 1995 Volume 02 : Number 013 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott S. Zimmerman" Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 20:11:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: she holds her breath and goes ahead anyway veronica writes: > > Their big hit, "you suck," is reflexive. > > i can't understand why this song was the single or anything. i think it's one of > their weakest songs, and i always skip over it. weird. my friend barb had only > heard this one song, but after we listened to the album she said she liked it. "you suck" irritates me a bit, too, though at the same time it intrigues me. i'd kind of like to hear the entire album... a calculated risk of sorts! hmm, well, for the folks who definitely -do- like the murmurs, you might want to check out holiday flyer. i bought their "snowballing" 7" on fingerpaint records about a month back, and it reminds me a lot of the murmurs. minimalist guitar thing. female vocals are up front with male vocals obscured in the background. i don't know if the band has an lp out or anything like that... On the 7", dustin, the genius behind rocketship, plays organ on one track, and recently one or two of the girls from rocketship joined holiday flyer, so with this rocketship influence, holiday flyer may become a really brilliant band! > will there be a cranes show in boston next week? i can't go but a friend here > asked me to ask. cranes. grrreat band! Scott ------------------------------ From: father bungholio Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 03:05:12 -0500 Subject: ectopics oof! just finished delving through many a message that piles up over a long weekend of ignoring the net. don't tell meredith that i stayed up after 2 am to do this. ;) (sheesh, i haven't stayed up after 2 am to catch up on e-mail on a week- night since, um, i can't remember when! so i'm allowed.) liz phair. i bought _exile..._ about the week it came out. on vinyl no less. unfortunately, that was right before i moved to new brunswick (in june of 1993, i guess) so, with a packed turntable, it didn't see much airplay on the stereo system until sometime in 1994 when i finally made a tape dub so i could listen to it during the hour-long commute. i found that i quite liked the album not as much for the directness of the lyrics as for the sheer pop genius of the music. *every* song on that album seemed to ring a resonant note in my head and heart. the first time i really listened to it felt like the thousandth time - incredibly familiar yet totally fresh. that's why i like that album. that's why i like "supernova". unfortunately, _whip smart_ doesn't have the same feeling for the most part. alas. the murmurs. i was picking through some tapes the other day and found a dub of the live music faucet (nick hill's very own radio program on wfmu) from january of 1992 which featured the murmurs. apparently, they didn't leave enough of an impression that i remembered i had this tape when their album was released. as meredith posted earlier, we have the album but i haven't listened to it yet. my instincts are that i won't be thrilled but who knows? that's what i though i'd think about dar williams but i find that she's not too bad despite my acoustic prejudices. neal asked about a varttina refresher course. okay. in a couple phrases: virtuoso folk musicians, vibrant four-woman vocals, catchy melodies with a traditional base. varttina hits new york city on february 22nd, i believe at merkin hall. i think i should look into that soon. glad to see that there is at least one other "forever knight" fan on ecto. some reviews of alreay discussed stuff: jenn vix - through the miracle of the postal system, i received a copy of jenn vix's sel-produced and self-titled disc. both angelos and i had come across her name courtesy of the cmj new music magazine (as an aside, i think this is the first time i've actually followed up on something from that magazine which i seem to subscribe to only for douglas wolk's reviews) where one of her tracks appeared (eveery issue of the magazine comes with a compilation disc of the featured artists). anyways, the disc is pretty yummy if you're into the fuzzy, big-bass, etheriel thang (such as i am). the cocteau twins are a good reference point though jenn isn't as, um, i dunno, epheremal? yeah, i think her music is more meaty. throwing muses: university - not surpringly, i agree completely with greg's analysis of this album. to recap: much improved from the _red heaven_ fiasco though not as soul-shatteringly brilliant as either _the real ramona_ or the self-titled album which blew my bone marrow to pluto. this album lives up the weirdness promised by "hooks in her head" and the power promised by that gig greg, jess and i witnessed at maxwell's some time ago (right before _red heaven_ was released, i think). i still think david narcizo needs to ditch the high hat and get back to basic drumming though. ;) some stuff that hasn't been mentioned: the loud family - the tape of only linda: not ectoish but still damn brilliant. the loud family is scott miller's (ex of game theory) latest band. this is their second album. it's just plain nifty guitar pop with weird twists, self-referential feedback loops, "hey-i-wish-thought-of- that" lyrics and more in-jokes than a rocky horror viewing. paul cohen and sue trowbridge will, no doubt, agree. ;) margaret leng tan - daughter of the lonesome idle: this is a collection of john cage's piano pieces exemplifying the various types of altered piano instruments that he used. leng tan is a highly regarded avant garde pianist who, apparently, carries the cage torch following his death in 1992. i haven't listened to this much yet but i've enjoyed what i've heard. (incidentially, this is on new albion records which is a label making me very happy lately - i recently picked up the ensemble pan's performance of guillaue de machaut's _remede de fortune_, a classic 14th century love poem, on new albion and it's excellent - early music freaks, take note!) now playing: the live sylvian/fripp album _damage_. now sleeping: woj. g'nite. +w ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 03:30:06 -0500 Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Bob Lovejoy (rlovejoy@pipeline.com) ******************* ********************** Diane Burke (dbburke@MIT.EDU) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bob Lovejoy Sun February 02 1947 Aquarius Diane Burke Sat February 02 1963 slow children Timothy S. Devine Tue February 03 1970 Aquarius Stephen Thomas Fri February 04 1966 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank Siri Wed February 14 1990 Woof! Jim Sturnfield Thu February 18 1954 Aquarius Juha Kannisto Wed February 18 1970 Aquarius Linda Saboe Tue February 20 1951 aimless Michael Curry Fri February 24 1967 Pisces Paula Shanks Mon February 25 1952 Pisces Brni Mojzes Fri February 26 1965 the vanishing boy Pamela Pociluk Fri February 28 1964 Pisces - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Marion Kippers Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 11:47:37 +0100 Subject: Repost: Noa live in Utrecht, the Netherlands Hi all, I've posted this before, but got no reaction at all so I guess it didn't make it to those who might be interested (Mike?). Anyway, after Mike's raving post about Noa and Gil Dor's performance I decided to repost this. Maybe somebody could help me fill in the details that I missed (again, Mike?). This is a translation of my report of Noa's concert in Muziekcentrum Vredenburg in Utrecht, the Netherlands, 7 december 1994. It's quite long... but I think she deserves a lot of attention. :-) I really liked Noa's last CD, but Marcel had to persuade me to go and see her in concert with him. And boy, was I happy he did! It sure was worthwhile. It was also a bit of a surprise for me - very different from what I had expected. This concert was in the small concert hall in the Vredenburg Music Centre - the same building where we saw Sarah, but she performed in the big hall. This small hall holds about 300 people, and it's very intimate. The walls, ceiling and floor are decorated with wood, the stage is very low (about knee-high), and the first row of chairs is very close to the stage. We had front row left seats, and if I would stretch my legs I could lay my feet on the stage... . I wondered what sort of band she would bring. On stage there were only some percussion instruments like conga's, Darbukkah Drums, tambourine etc. and acoustic guitars, but nothing like drums, keyboards, electric guitars or a bandsetting - just two microphones and two chairs. Then the lights went out, the door at the right side of the hall opened and Noa and Gil Dor walked in. They climbed on the stage and Noa began to sing, a-capella - "Mishaela" was the first song. She accompanied herself with two rhythm eggs, one in each hand, and with her arms she danced the melody. Gil joined her with his acoustic guitar. Noa has a fantastic voice, and I was amazed at how easily and supple she sings. Especially when I realized that _she_ would play all those percussion instruments and some guitar as well. I was a bit concerned she would talk to the audience in Hebrew, but she didn't. She would explain the lyrics to older Hebrew songs, but she didn't explain those of the latest CD, so I still don't know what they're about. After "Eye Opener" she told that they were very happy to play in this concert hall as the hall looked beautiful (it does), the acoustics are very good, and she was really pleased that the stage was so close to the audience. Noa told that they now both live in Israel (she lives in Tel Aviv and Gil in Haifa), but she spent the first 18 years of her life in the Bronx in New York, and that's what the next song "Wildflower" was about. After that she picked up some notes that fans had thrown on the stage, and she said that she would read them to us later on. Gil asked her 'Who are they from?', and Noa started to look for names. But Gil meant something else, Noa didn't understand him until he played the first chords of "I don't know". The live version of that was very catching. Noa isn't just a great singer, she's also a very good percussion player, and I think there are not many who can combine the two as well. She really knew her way with the conga's. And then it stopped. And very soft and quietly she sang some additional lyrics that gave a whole new meaning to the song: "darkness, edge of night, I'm in flight, cause now I know, now I know, now I know" - it really gave me goosebumps... "Uri" followed, and after that they performed a song of their second Israeli CD. On that CD they had put poems of well-known Israeli poets to music. One of those is a declaration of love where the man tells his lover "Come, my bride". She painted the scene of that man walking around in his room, outside he can sea the stormy sea, and he hears the seagulls... and we heard them too, as Noa imitated them with her voice. Goosebumps again. Noa played guitar together with Gil, a dark driven song. Then she told about the tour around the world they had been doing since the past six months, all due to the succes of the third CD, the first one to be released outside Israel, all over the world. She told about those moments when she would feel like giving up and go home, and how important it is to have a good friend - Gil played some chords of "You've got a friend". She pointed to Gil, her support and anchor, a great musician and songwriter, and also her best friend. He played one song on his own, a bit jazzy. It sounded familiar but I didn't recognize it. After this it seemed like Noa sang "It's obvious - you're special" especially for Gil, from the bottom of her heart. "Inspire me to more"... "Traces of love" was a new song, with naughty lyrics about white silken underwear, hanging from the washing line to dry, "drip drip dropping traces of love". After Vickie's and Mike's descriptions of "Marionettes" I hoped she would perform that song, and she did - at least, I think it was "Marionettes". It was a Hebrew song about Pierretta. She had a cape/skirt that was 'Pierrot' on one side (the other side was red), she danced like a marionette, and she sang a short piece of 'opera'. She should put more theatre in her concerts! Two more songs from the first albums followed, "Light and darkness"(?) and a song about marrying off, where Noa played her chest as if it were a percussion instrument ('human beatbox'?!). The last songs were "Path to follow", an unknown song entitled "Conga's" on the setlist (well, that's what it was mostly as well, I don't remember any lyrics to this song), and finally "Child of man". They left the stage during our standing ovation, only to return a short while after that. "OK, you've made your point", she said, and she indicated that we could sit down again. She then sang a moved version of "Ave Maria" - or did I imagine that her voice nearly broke? After another old folksong they left again. They came back one last time, to say farewell with a moving last song: "Everytime we say goodbye"... Go and see her if you can! I've only got (and heard) her last CD, and I'm not sure of the titles of the older songs, maybe somebody else can fill them in? We're trying to get the first two CD's from Israel, but we haven't got a reply yet. Best wishes, Marion ______________________________________________________________ Marion Kippers Wolters Kluwer Academic Publishers Automation Department Dordrecht, The Netherlands Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl "Inspire me to more..." (Noa) ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Marion Kippers Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 12:42:46 +0100 Subject: Van Morrison on the Net? Hi all, I know this probably isn't the right place to ask, but it's the best place I know - maybe somebody could direct me to a better place. Recently I showed my boss the Ecto World Map - or rather, I was playing around with Mosaic which I can only use at my work, and my boss caught me. :) Anyway, he liked it, but he said he wasn't too impressed with WWW as yet, because he couldn't find anything about his favourite artist. Now of course I would like to keep my boss interested in WWW etc... :-) ...hence my question: does anybody know of any Web sites, mailing lists, newsgroups or other Net activities dealing with Van Morrison? Thanks! Best wishes, Marion ______________________________________________________________ Marion Kippers Wolters Kluwer Academic Publishers Automation Department Dordrecht, The Netherlands Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl "I am not a mountain..." (HR) ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: father bungholio Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:58:11 -0500 Subject: happy happies happy birthday to uncle bob! happy birthday to diane! woo hoo! woj (hi ho, hi ho, it's off to work i go...) ------------------------------ From: Jason Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 04:04:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Hello Everyone!! Well, I just wanted to say hello to everyone...I'm semi-familiar with this list (I think) because I've talked to a few people on IRC... I've been meaning to subscribe, but haven't had the opportunity (actually, I think I was just too lazy.... :) At any rate, Here I am! I look forward to the fun filled adventure this list'll bring.... Talk to you folks later.... Jason ------------------------------ From: sam@ansys.com (Sam Murgie) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 95 8:30:26 EST Subject: Squonk Opera larne, > > "Squonk". unless someone out there in ectoland can refute, i always > > assumed that the word "Squonk" was invented by Tony Banks and Genesis. > > My cousin found a reference to squonks, complete with the bit about > dissolving into tears, in a book of 19th-century Philadelphia folk > tales (I could probably get the reference from him if anyone's really > interested). Where Genesis got a hold of this is anyone's guess. that's very interesting - i, too, wonder how genesis stumbled across the folk tale. > > I must admit I haven't heard anything else Toyah's done, although I > think I had a discography at some point. Got any recommendations? to tell you the truth, i've not heard alot of toyah's work as it is extremely hard to find in the USA. but i do own several import 45's - they all border on punk but in an interesting way (i'd be hard pressed to recommend them, though). i also own Sundays All Over the World, toyah's collaboration with hubbie bob fripp - i like it - it's sort of king crimson meets concrete blonde (both of whom i like). toyah has put out two albums in the last couple of years but i have been unable to find them. anyone in ectoland actually listen to these and/or could tell me where to find said albums?????? - -- *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Sam Murgie | "Confusion will be my epitaph..." | | smurgie@ansys.com | (Pete Sinfield) | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: kiri@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu (Kiri Hargie) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 10:19:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: Liz Phair It's good to be back! Funny tidbit 'o' stuff. When I was home over christmas I decided to go through my high school yearbooks to look for a picture of Liz Phair, since she was originally from Winnetka - she probably went to my high school. Well I found a picture. Let's just say she didn't always appear to be the alternative queen she has been lately. Her picture looked like all the other pre-sorority girls that went to my high school. Thought it was kinda cool though. There is a fantastic alt-female singer in town. Her name is Garrison Star and her music reminds me a lot of early Happy stuff. I'm going to try to get a cd or tape, her stuff isn't distributed well, even here... guess that's about it for now kIrI ------------------------------ From: John SUTTON Date: 02 Feb 1995 07:56:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Van Morrison on the Net? - --Boundary (ID a0LH10X8HP9zYhzlXL2wOw) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Message Creation Date was at 2-FEB-1995 07:56:00 Marion Kippers wrote: couldn't find anything about his favourite artist. Now of course I would like to keep my boss interested in WWW etc... :-) ...hence my question: does anybody know of any Web sites, mailing lists, newsgroups or other Net activities dealing with Van Morrison? Thanks! I found a Van Morrison mailing list address about a year ago and tried subscribing to it several times. I never recieved a reply back. Now I don't see any references to a VM mailing list at all. If you find anything, please let me know. As far as your boss goes, you still have one option. You need to turn him/her on to Happy's music ;> . Happy's and Van's music have surprising similarities. ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu. - --Boundary (ID a0LH10X8HP9zYhzlXL2wOw) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The following attachments were included with this message: __________________________________________________________________ TYPE : FILE NAME : 020205A8.TXT __________________________________________________________________ - --Boundary (ID a0LH10X8HP9zYhzlXL2wOw)-- ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:38:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sarah's Freedom Session disc for sale Because of confusions about the comparability of multimedia CD-ROM and the regular audio CD version of Sarah McLachlan's Freedom Sessions disc that I was helping fellow ectophiles to get, I have an extra copy of the audio disc for sale. It was $14 Canadian, which right now works out to about $8.50 U.S., so why don't we say $9.00 U.S. postage paid. First come first served. If more than one person would like this disc, we are going to Victoria, B.C., for the weekend and I'm sure we can be commissioned to pick up a couple more copies. If anyone else happens to be in Victoria on Monday (February 6) Jim and I are giving a joint poetry reading at Hawthorne Books on Cook Street. Be there and hear Neile give her first public reading of a poem with a four-letter work in it! With her mother in the audience yet! With her mother's friends in the audience worse yet!! - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: "The ONLY one..." Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 12:22:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Today's your birthday, friends... On Thu, 2 Feb 1995, Michael Matthews wrote: > > i*i*i*i*i*i > i*i*i*i*i*i > *************** > *****HAPPY********* > **************BIRTHDAY********* > *************************************************** > *************************************************************************** > ******************* Bob Lovejoy (rlovejoy@pipeline.com) ******************* > ********************** Diane Burke (dbburke@MIT.EDU) ********************** > *************************************************************************** > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > Bob Lovejoy Sun February 02 1947 Aquarius > Diane Burke Sat February 02 1963 slow children > happy birthday!!!! thanks bob for all your wonderful input to the list this year.. you are appreciated!! lov, kathy ------------------------------ From: Chandra Lekha Sriram Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:27:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: bettie serveert so this is probably old news to most of ytou ectophiles, but i just had one of those find a new group experiences (see subj). i had heard one song by them, but after checking out palomine and lamprey, i must say i am very impressed. a bit more noise and harsher voices than i often listen to, but very good to kick back and reflect to. (as always, by descriptions elave something to be desired). i guess i would put them in the throwing muses/belly category, if that helps, but they have their own distinct sound. bad listening experience for the week--this ascension. tedious goth crap that is like the worst of the cure and siouxsie put together, with a touch of miranda sex garden on a bad day. somebody lent it to me thinking it fit my musical tastes, and now i'm pretty sure i should be insulted. :-O well, that's my rant for the day. chandra "it takes two days to get there by train, two days to get there by boat, it takes forever if you go by inertia, no time if you don't believe, don't believe in time" --jane siberry ------------------------------ From: jrshepar@indyunix.iupui.edu Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:39:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Squonk Opera On Wed, 1 Feb 1995, Larne Pekowsky wrote: > Sam: > > > "Squonk". unless someone out there in ectoland can refute, i always > > assumed that the word "Squonk" was invented by Tony Banks and Genesis. > > My cousin found a reference to squonks, complete with the bit about > dissolving into tears, in a book of 19th-century Philadelphia folk > tales (I could probably get the reference from him if anyone's really > interested). Where Genesis got a hold of this is anyone's guess. Which could lead to a discussion of the whole "Dodo/Lurker" thing... :-) > > btw, as mentioned last year, the Banks/Wilcox collaboration "Lion of > > Symmetry" off of Banks's Soundtrack album is one of the best songs of > > the past decade. > > I don't know that I'd put it in my top ten, but it would easily make > the top 40 or so. I thought I was the only person in this hemisphere who even heard _of_ Soundtrack! And yeh, "Lion of Symmetry" is cool! Beginning to like this list... > I must admit I haven't heard anything else Toyah's done, although I > think I had a discography at some point. Got any recommendations? > > - Larne > - -John [signature pissed that it won't see the new episode of Babylon 5 until Sunday] ------------------------------ From: Anders.Hallberg@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Hallberg) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 95 21:22:59 +0100 Subject: Heather Nova Hi Ectophiles - this is a delurk I saw Heather Nova live yesterday at Gino's in Stockholm. It was great once they got the sound right. I saw the poster a couple of weeks ago and remembered the name from ecto so I bought the CD, Oyster, and Tickets. I have webbed around a lot and have not been able to locate any info about her so i call upon the collective wisdom of the ectophiles. Who is she? Where is she from? What is her shoe size? The concert lasted about 1 hour 20 minutes. The sound wasn't very good until after three or so songs when they cranked up Heather and the Cello which made all the difference. She did last four songs acoustic. They did the 'rockish' parts good deal rougher and tougher than on the CD, a good thing IMHO. Particularly in 'Island' from "And I don't know why I can't tell my sister..." which was stunning. I recommend anyone who gets a chance to see her to grab it. Oh, and I also saw BtC in a store in Stockholm. They also had the other albums in their computer so you could order them. The name of the store escapes me right now. Anyone who wants to know can mail me, I'll probably remember it soon. - -- \Anders Hallberg ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #13 ************************* ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu