From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #10 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 31 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 010 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: juliet@netaxs.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 06:54:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: why I like Liz Phair I like Liz Phair because she voices some real gutsy raw and cynical stuff that women often think and feel But are "too nice" to express that way. She doesn't hate men or God:they just drive her crazy. I really liked "Whip-Smart" as well. She speaks to a certain emotional space for me and does it with balls. Just my opinion... Juliet ------------------------------ From: GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 12:27:29 GMT Subject: Kate Price f.mcguire1@genie.geis.com asks: > I am looking for information on a Canadian singer named Kate Price and a > Canadian band named Imaginary Heaven. Both have had their sound compared to > Loreena McKennitt, so they must be something good! Can any Canadian > ectophiles help me out? Thanks! Well, I'm not Canadian, but then neither is Kate Price. She's a singer- songwriter based in California. The Loreena comparison is certainly valid, although Kate Price plays the hammered dulcimer rather than the harp. I have her debut CD at home (thanks to Neile!) and will post details later. Geoff Parks PS It's good to be back! ------------------------------ From: Michael Colford Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 07:58:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Liz Phair fans On Mon, 30 Jan 1995 ACSOnline@aol.com wrote: > "Why do you like Liz Phair?" Well, this is actually a very good question, and there's no need for you to worry about offending anyone. People like different things, and there's no reason you have to like everything. I do like Liz Phair. I received a tape from a friend early in 1994 with a few Liz Phair songs on it. I was largely unimpressed. She didn't really have a very good voice was my initial impression. Well, since the tape was a compilation of stuff, I ended up hearing Ms. Phair's songs over and over and suddenly realized that I liked them, so I bought her album. Again, it wasn't album that immediately grabbed me and said, "Oh my God, this is fantastic!" However, I did like it, and eventually, after getting to know it, I loved it. I think a lot of Liz's appeal is her honest and gutsy approach to songwriting. Lyrically, she doesn't pull any punches. She speaks her mind in a forthright and direct manner, and tough shit if someone doesn't like it. Musically, she appeals to me, because she writes nice melodies. They're catchy and poppy, but they have teeth. I also like her videos and interviews because she seems pretty down to earth and normal. My boyfriend, Trent, hated her at first, but after being forced to hear her everytime I played the CD's, I now see him tapping his feet and staying in the room when her videos come on. Hmmm. Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noble.mass.edu | *North of Boston Library Exchange* -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Cheri Villines Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 07:03:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: why I like Liz Phair On Tue, 31 Jan 1995 juliet@netaxs.com wrote: > "Whip-Smart" as well. She speaks to a certain emotional space for me and > does it with balls. > Just my opinion... > Juliet I agree! Other women have written about the same subjects, but it is often veiled in pretty language or pretty music. I like that too, but it is good to hear someone do it raw. Feels very cleansing and honest to me. cheri ------------------------------ From: sam@ansys.com (Sam Murgie) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 8:47:47 EST Subject: david torn and listening posts david torn's new one Polytown is worth checking out if you like Torn or jazzy heavy metal new age. if your only experience with Torn is BtC, i recommend Cloud About Mercury thought for a first listen to him. CAM is more new age-like and features Tony Levin, Mark Isham, and Bill Bruford. Polytown features Mick Karn and Terry Bozzio (Zappa, UK, Missing Persons). the Camelot Superstore had a whole listing post (6 CDs) dedicated to local (Pittsburgh) artists. it's hard to imagine that the corporate honchos forced them to do this, unless Camelot is a local chain, which it might be. does anyone own sarah mclaughlin's CD+MM disk? any good? i am finally starting to see why most of you rave about Ecto. i bought Ecto about 8 months ago and listened to it a few times and went back to listening to Rhodesongs and later BtC. but the last few weeks i've been listening to Ecto again and i really starting to love it. Happy day to all!! - -- *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Sam Murgie | "Confusion will be my epitaph..." | | smurgie@ansys.com | (Pete Sinfield) | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 10:29:44 -0500 Subject: DC in Feb I've noticed a number of interesting things happening in DC next month, so if anyone else is planning to hit any of these shows, let me know. I just noticed yesterday the "Finnish Folk Invasion", featuring Varinna in Concert. This is Thursday, Feb 23 at 7pm at the Baird AUditorium in the Natural History Building (Smithsonian). Tix are $17 ($13 if your a member) and can be purchased from (202) 357-3030. I don't know how long they've been on sale, bur probably for a while to subscribers. Perhaps some Vartinna fans could rave a bit more to remind me who they are. All I remember is they are supposed to be great (although I guess that's enough). Monday at the 9:30 club, we've got The Murmers with Love Riot. Once again, I don't know who the Murmers are, but apparently they are sorta popular (I see lots of ads for their disc, but don't listen to the radio much). Any info there would be usefull. Openers are a Baltimore band that's been getting a lot of great press. They recently returned from Japan where they won some major Yamaha sponsered contest. They are supposed to have a stunning female lead singer, and, I think, a violin player (and perhaps not a drummer, a la Hugo Largo). They've been tops on my list of locals to see since I got back, but just haven't synched up with them. And, of course, Jewel Kilcher is playing every Wednesday at Afterwards Cafe (attached to Kramerbooks in Dupont Circle). I will be out of town this wednesday, but hope to go to the other three shows. Not only would this be a great budget show (you can always hang out at the bookstore, or maybe just get dessert and coffee.... i can't imagine there's a cover), but, as has frequently been reported here, Jewel is amazing, so it's a good chance to catch someone great early in her career. I'll be out of town from Wed afternoon til Sunday, but will get back to people on Monday, particularly about The Murmers or the Jewel shows. Otherwise, I'll see people at John Sandoval's gathering, which is in needs of a snappy name. The Baltowash ectofest? DC's ectocell? It's in Severn, but that's already a weird name. Neal ------------------------------ From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 10:43:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: why I like liz phair here I am jumping on the bandwagon but I've been silent for a long time so I thought why not? I first heard of Liz Phair via word of mouth. I bought Exile in Guyville from a used tape place and was not at all impressed. I couldn't even listen to it all the way through. Then a few months later I picked it up because I wanted some music to go jogging to. Its hard to describe what happened. The tape didn't leave my walkman for weeks. I think it was mainly her lyrics that appealed to me when I started to listen carefully. And the music insinuated itself into my conciousness. It still doesn't hold the same place that Happy Rhodes, Kate Bush, Sarah McLachlan or Tori Amos does in my musical heart ;-) but I really like it. and its true that I stole your lighter and its also true that I lost the map but when you said that I wasn't worth talking to well, I had to take your word on that "divorce song" ------------------------------ From: GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 15:46:47 GMT Subject: More on Kate Price OK, here, as promised, are details of Kate Price's debut CD. Artist: Kate Price Title: The Time Between Cat #: PP402 Produced by: Priceless Productions 1993. PO Box 91555, Santa Barbara CA 93190 Distributed by: Access Music Group, 1705 Peggy Ct. #1, Petaluma CA 94954 Track Listing: 1. Calling Me Home (6:44) 2. Slavic Nights (3:50) 3. Peaceweaver (4:10) 4. Death Of The Queen (4:43) 5. The Stolen Child (2:49) 6. Tango Of The Flowers (5:08) 7. The Lady And The Eagle (4:57) 8. Silverheart (3:35) 9. Ballad Of The Bog (6:28) The even numbered tracks are instrumentals. Track 5 is a setting of the WB Yeats poem - different from Loreena McKennitt's setting of the same poem. Kate Price - vocals, hummell, hammered dulcimer, keyboards, piano, dumbek Brian Mann - keyboards, accordian David West - guitar Charl Ann Gastineau - violin Lorenzo Martinez - percussion Ed Rockett - bodhran, djembe Lorin Green - recorders Geoff Parks ------------------------------ From: "anja (Garbanzo)" Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 10:29:55 EST Subject: Laurie Anderson in Purchase, NY Hello fellow ectoans. Steve Fagg encouraged me to cross-post this here, as it includes people you know, as well as music that is just barely on the edge of the eclectic "ecto" category. If you follow alt.fan.laurie.anderson, you will have already seen it. n======================================================================= Path: bellboy.ucc.uconn.edu!UConnVM.UConn.Edu!AMB93002 From: AMB93002@UConnVM.UConn.Edu Newsgroups: alt.fan.laurie.anderson Subject: Re: Preview show in Purchase, New York Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 13:22:13 EST Organization: University of Connecticut Lines: 111 Message-ID: <17336BC16S86.AMB93002@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <3g8o00$kp2@noc2.drexel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vm.ucc.uconn.edu Hi everyone! A bunch of my friends and I managed to see Laurie's preview in Purchase on Saturday night. Wow, what a performance!! I had seen Laurie once, about 10 years ago in Zellerbach at Berkeley. I think it was her Home of the Brave tour. That performance was wonderful, but Nerve Bible basically verged into the Religious Experience range for me. Our seats were in row L, near the middle next to the sound booth. Meredith "Meth" Tarr and Rob "Woj" Wojicak (sp?) were the ones responsible for finding us these seats which were plenty close enough, and not so close we couldn't see the whole stage. Also present were Shari, a friend of Meth's, Jeff "jane_fan" Wasilko, Mike "Milla Man" Curry, Tamar of the CellMates, and Graham. I apologize for leaving out the last names I don't know. :) The stage had 5 video projectors. Three of them shone through three large transulcent sliding screens which took up the entire width of the stage. The maining two other two projected onto a huge inflated cube suspended from the ceiling above the left side of the stage, and a similarly-sized sphere on the right. Most of the projected images on the screens included vertical I-beams which separated the right hand side of an image from the image on the adjacent screen . These I-beams echoed a horizontal I-beam lying on the stage upon which the sliding projector screens rested. Laurie made interesting use of repeated and inverted images on these screens. At some points during the show the center panel would have one image, and the two on either side would project the same but reversed image relative to each other, so that the right and left sides acted as mirror imagesof each other. Other times all three screens had the same image. There was footage of a subway train between I-beams which was particularly effective this way. Laurie mostly played her modified violin and a keyboard, although at the beginning and near the end she also used a jacket with sensors in it that made different, odd industrial-type sounds as she moved her hands, arms, etc. Whevever she patted the left side of her chest a very convincing and booming heartbeat could be heard. Of course she used her voice as well, mostly with two microphones that were set up both at the center of the stage as well as on the left hand side above the keyboard. I was impressed with her singing while bowing, as I used to try this as a kid taking violin lessons, and it is not easy to do, expecially to harmonize with the notes your fingers are seeking. She used really cool cameras during the performance, too. One was a tiny security camera mounted on her bow, which gave the impression of her swaying from close to far as she pulled her bow across the strings. I guess now I know what the right hand sees as one plays the violin. :) The other really interesting camera was one that was set up so that it projected half of her face. If you have ever taken 2 mirrors taped together along a center hinge and looked at your face into the angle, you will have a bit of an idea of the effect. The same half of her face was projected and reversed so that it completed a whole face. In addition, what we saw was a negative image such that the background was white, and raised points were dark. It was very surreal, and in some ways frightening. Laurie mostly performed selections from her latest album, Bright Red, although she included a few things from her earlier work as well. I liked the live version of every song except the first song from Bright Red, about the eagle and the weasel biting each other. In the live version she more or less spoke the chorus, and I missed the harmonies and power of the chorus in the recorded version. In addition to performing songs, Laurie of course also included anecdotes introducing and illustrating the songs. These are mostly my favorite parts of her work, both in recordings and live. She led off by telling us about her stint as an art history teacher near NY for a while, and that sometimes while lecturing her mind would go blank, and so she'd fill in with spur-of-the-moment stories to explain whatever the slides were about, etc. Later this apparently caught up to her, as her former students would repeat the things she had said to them, and other instructors would correct them. She told us about the time in the summer of 1974 during the heat wave when she found herself thinking wistfully of how icy and cold it must be at the North Pole, so she decided to just go there, like cartoon characters who hang a sign on their doorknobs saying, "Gone to the North Pole." Apparently she spent several weeks planning and packing a backpack, and then just hitchhiked north, first in cars, then trucks, and finally in bush planes. She never made it to the geographical north pole because it turns out to be a restricted area, but she did manage to get withing 10 miles or so of the magnetic pole, so I guess it was worth it. She never did say whether it was cold enough for her, or if the mosquitoes were bad, but apparently the Aurora Borealis was good. She told us about travelling through airports, and being stopped by security personnel who wanted to know what all the electronics she was carrying were for . In these situations she frequently ended up having to give impromptu performances to demonstrate that these were not bombs and other terrorist devices. At one point they apparently asked her what her voice-modifying thing does. (I am referring to the one that makes her sound like a nasal, adenoidal white male authority figure; you know the one.) She demonstrated it, and they asked her why she'd want such a gadget, in the first place. So she looked around at all the uniformed security guards, and police with their dogs, and the swat teams, and said, "Take a wild guess." The audience really broke up at this one. The finale involved Laurie walking up an inclined ramp through a laser beam projecting a sort of cloud-like image into the auditorium into the smoky air created by many stage smoke-bombs. I found myself if this was what an angel was supposed to look like, as he/she/it? walks between earth and heaven? Anyway, I apologize for probably sounding incredibly incoherent in this account, but it really had to be experienced to be believed. I really hope a video of this performance is produced, because I think that's probably the closest thing you could get, aside from being there in person. I'm still floating around after the experience. anja irc: Garbanzo (I have started hanging around on a channel called #Puppet_Motel) email: amb93002@uconnvm.uconn.edu ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 12:37:34 EST Subject: Victoria on "House Of Blues" I love NetNews search service (thanks again Klaus!) because it finds stuff like this for me. (NickNickNick, you're s'posed to *tell* us these things) :-) - ------------------- Article: alt.music.tmbg.10345 Message-ID: From: wjones@mindspring.com (William R. Jones) Subject: Re: TMBG on TV Score: 100 First 20 lines: keight wrote: > TBS, February 10 & 11 at 12:00 AM: > TMBG will be on the new "House of Blues" show (along with > Victoria Williams and special guest Dave Pirner). According to this morning's paper, Feb. 10 is Victoria Williams w/special guest Dr. John, and Feb. 17 is Them with the Jeff Healy Band and special guest host Dan Aykroyd. Bill - -------------------- For information about NetNews search service, send e-mail to netnews@db.stanford.edu with 'help' in the body of the letter. I have Happy Rhodes, Holly Cole, Jane Siberry, Victoria Williams and Mary Margaret O'Hara on file. Other than wanting to nuke Dave "Make Money Fast" Rhodes (rhodes..happy...you get whatever posts those two words appear together in) I like the service quite a bit. And it's all free! Vickie ------------------------------ From: HYAMS@alpha.nsula.edu Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:55:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: david torn and listening posts sam and ecto: a little info on the sarah mclachlan freedom sessions cd rom it's great! it might not be gold, but it is definitely a worthwhile add to anyones collection. some nice versions of things. i really like the icecream version with ash (drummer) "bear" (organist on bass) and sarah on acoustic. tastey version! has a bit more soul in it especially in the bass playing! IMHO the rom part is pretty hip. not overly slick and corporate. personal enough and generally satisfyingly informative. and pretty well designed. I ordered direct from nettwerk and cathy b. before release ($15) and the video tape ($25). BtW: I believe that the nettwerk releases are a slight bit diff. in design than those found in retail outlets. I have compared a bit. also, cathy from nett told me that they hired a guy to do the programming in director and qt2. he worked on it for 2 months.... ok? - -- tscheuB! {8-> collier hyams hyams@alpha.nsula.edu SeaCollier@aol.com http://rever.nmsu.edu/~maldrin/idc/idc.html On Tue, 31 Jan 1995, Sam Murgie wrote: > > > david torn's new one Polytown is worth checking out if you like Torn or > jazzy heavy metal new age. if your only experience with Torn is BtC, > i recommend Cloud About Mercury thought for a first listen to him. CAM > is more new age-like and features Tony Levin, Mark Isham, and Bill Bruford. > > Polytown features Mick Karn and Terry Bozzio (Zappa, UK, Missing Persons). > > the Camelot Superstore had a whole listing post (6 CDs) dedicated to local > (Pittsburgh) artists. it's hard to imagine that the corporate honchos > forced them to do this, unless Camelot is a local chain, which it might be. > > does anyone own sarah mclaughlin's CD+MM disk? any good? > > i am finally starting to see why most of you rave about Ecto. i bought > Ecto about 8 months ago and listened to it a few times and went back to > listening to Rhodesongs and later BtC. but the last few weeks i've been > listening to Ecto again and i really starting to love it. > > Happy day to all!! > -- > *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* > | Sam Murgie | "Confusion will be my epitaph..." | > | smurgie@ansys.com | (Pete Sinfield) | > *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* > ------------------------------ From: "Ray H. Misra" Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:10:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Cranes in Boston next week On Mon, 30 Jan 1995 lcliffor@bbn.com wrote: > > Anyone going to the Cranes show at the Middle East in Cambridge next > Wednesday? > > Laura > I would, if only it weren't a school night. Groan. I've never heard the Cranes before. It would have been nice. In fact, it's time for a quick confession. I've never heard _most_ of the artists who get thrown around on this list. It's why I don't post much; I just have no opinions on them. My membership on this list is currently intended to be nothing more than educational--a primer on what artists to look out for. Also, I like you guys. * I would like to be able to use DepthGauge the way it was designed to be > used. Is my problem that I don't have Color QuickDraw? Why do I need it? > Can I replace it with something equivalent? Is there a new rev which does > not require some ancillary application? How can we make this a better > world to live in? Is there a cure for stupidity? > > But on to more important things... If you will solve my DepthGauge problem, > I will promise to buy (at least) one Happy Rhodes CD. Shoot, I'll probably > buy one anyhow. Your description and plaintive explanation of why you are > supporting Happy is intriguing enough to make me want to give it a shot. Don't know if this helps, but I find that ColorSwitch works perfectly in every model Mac I have installed it in (and as a consultant and class teacher that's a lot of different models). Never crashes on me. You should be able to find it on almost any Mac site and all the pay services. - -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you. | | mklprc@aol.com | Knowledge for the pupil -er- people. | | mklprc@teleport.com | Give them a light and they'll | | "annoying Xists since 1966" | follow it anywhere! -- Firesign | - ----------------------------->((^o0o^))<---------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: mklprc@teleport.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:05:17 -0800 Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #7 There seems to be a glitch in Majordomo. Thought you might like to see what it looked like. This is the second time it's happened. mp > ------------------------------ > > From: Nicholas Hill > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 21:46:44 -0500 > Subject: Michelle Shocked CD ? > > A while ago I saw a New Orleans address for receiving Michelle Shocked > latest self released offering for $16 > > If anyone has the address could you please e-mail it to me > > Many thanks > > Nicholas Hill > > faucet@pipeline.com > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > > From: > Date: > Subject: [none] > > > ------------------------------ > - -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you. | | mklprc@aol.com | Knowledge for the pupil -er- people. | | mklprc@teleport.com | Give them a light and they'll | | "annoying Xists since 1966" | follow it anywhere! -- Firesign | - ----------------------------->((^o0o^))<---------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: mklprc@teleport.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:06:16 -0800 Subject: Noa, Portishead I have to thank whoever clued me in to Isralei artist Noa; while shopping in my local Tower for Portishead's cd I remembered the name and found her in stock. Well I got it and am glad I did. Love her voice and her music. Thanks! I usually try to support local indie record stores, but when they fail I can usually find it at Tower. While in one of the local megamalls yesterday I scanned for Happy records. Music Express had nothing, Musicland had one copy of BtC, filed alphabetically correctly. Tower has her scattered all over the store: female singers under R; pop/rock under H _and_ R. The Portishead record is weird. I don't like any other track as much as the one with the video; the rest seem mixed improperly -- too much emphasis on the electronic drums. It seems to be growing on me, though. I see it's doing quite well; turned up on eMpTyV's 120 Minutes top 10 alternative albums last week. mp - -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you. | | mklprc@aol.com | Knowledge for the pupil -er- people. | | mklprc@teleport.com | Give them a light and they'll | | "annoying Xists since 1966" | follow it anywhere! -- Firesign | - ----------------------------->((^o0o^))<---------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "The ONLY one..." Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 15:07:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Liz Phair fans i had to reply to this mostly because liz is one of my fave artists right now.. basically, i love the woman, liz, because she's a bitch and she knows it.. i love her attitude and wish i could pull something off like that. she's basically a person we all know.. someone who has passed by in our lives and we've always said.. "i never really liked her" but knew no reason *why*. if you read any of her interviews, you'll understand what i'm saying. as far as her music.. i'm really attracted to female grunge right now and i've really gotten into vercua salt, mazzy star, belly, and liz. i dont know what the real attraction is other than i'm a woman and love to see other woman getting recognition for their music and love to see women artists writing songs other than about love (ie: "blind" by VS)!! well, there's my beef.. take from it what you will :) kathy ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #10 ************************* ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu