From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #6 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 25 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 006 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Handler Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 13:43:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: What's the Deal? Yeah, it's a late response, so sue me. I have midterms. :-/ On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Ethan Straffin wrote: > Heard about this. Is it just me, or is this just a little bit dumb? I > mean, if I don't like somebody, can I buy some heroin, put it in a nice > innocuous-looking mailer, mail it off to them, and tip off the cops? > Granted, I don't know all the details here, but there are several aspects > of the War on (Some) Drugs which really tick me off... Any of you who are fighting the Good Fight on the Internet (the EFF, Cypherpunks, CSPR, EPIC, etc.) have probably heard of the Amateur Action BBS case. A postal inspector in Tennessee called a BBS in California, downloaded several pornographic graphics files, found that they were obscene under **Tennessee**'s "community standards", and had the husband and wife who run the BBS extradited to Tennessee for prosecution. If that doesn't gall you enough, here's the clincher: the postal inspector from Tennessee, in order to get a warrant and extradite these people from California, mailed them (**unsolicited**) some of the govt's faux kiddie porn they use in sting operations. Since he knew the faux k.p. was on its way to them, he was able to extradite them on charges of **receiving child pornography**, even though he was the one who had sent it to them in the first place, unsolicited. The jury was smart enough to see through the k.p. charges, and they threw them out, but the couple was still convicted of transmitting obscene images. :-( The precedent that this case sets is that I can mail you kiddie porn, and then report you to the Feds for receiving it, and they'll pick you up. The charges may not stick, but merely getting accused of recieveing k.p. is bad enough, these days. Michael - -- Michael Handler Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics Philadelphia, PA "Toi qui fais au proscrit ce regard calme et haut" -- Baudelaire * Skotoseme PGP Key ID FC031321 Print: 9B DB 9A B0 1B 0D 56 DA 61 6A 57 AD B2 4C 7B AF ------------------------------ From: brianb@netcom.com (Brian Bloom) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 13:09:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Song IDs, epilogue You guys are amazing!! I posted what I thought would be nearly impossible lyrics to ID, but with your help I've been able to track down all but one! The ones I've identified are: A1. Mouth music -Waiting, from Mo-Di A3. Over The Rhine - Little Genius, from Patience (Thanks D^2!!) A4. Tribe - Nevermind, from Sleeper A8. Lisa Germano, The Loneliest Night Of All Which leaves me with one last song to figure out: A6. (fluttery flute, accoustic guitar, flat voice. Maybe Toni Childs?) 4:07 intro:"Would you take it off?, Would you make it go?.." repeated:"Getting closer to reality.." Any ideas? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? br!an - -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@netcom.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ------------------------------ From: Greg Bossert Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 16:24:12 EST Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #5 Dave: >Any other Ectophiles heard the new Throwing Muses album? I think >it's the best thing they've done since _House Tornado_. Michael Colford: >Got it over the weekend. I've only listened to it once so far, but >it does sound terrific. Kind of a melding of Throwing muses' wilder >stuff, and Kristen Hersh's solo acoustic stuff. meth: >While I'm here, we got _University_ yesterday. I haven't been able to >really listen to it, but fell asleep to it last night and woke up to >it this morning, and I must say I like it a lot. I confess to being >rather ignorant when it comes to Throwing Muses -- they never did >much for me until I got mesmerized by Kristen Hersh's _Strings_ and >decided to check them out again and had an epiphany -- but just on >first listen, I liked this one a lot more than _Red Heaven_. We'll >have to see how it grows. I like track #10. "Yes folks, just in >case you forgot, we *are* on 4AD!" :) _University_ continues to grow on me. it definitely makes a great followup to Ms. Hersh's _Hips and Makers_ and _Strings_, and i find it a definite improvement to the lackluster _Red Heaven_. it's not nearly as wild and wonderfully weird as the good old days -- particularly their stunning first (self-titled) album or the subsequent EPs (_chains changed_[sic?] and _the fat skier_ - i don't care that they're all 4AD import only, go get 'em -- particularly that first album). it's a Lennon/McCartney thing: much as i like Kristen's solo/new TM stuff and Tanya's Breeders/Belly, none of it swoops and staggers as much as their work together did... speaking of which, the Throwing Muses cover of the Beatles' "Cry Baby Cry", from the "Not Too Soon" single, is recommended. if you're furtherly curious, forget _Red Heaven_, and go for _HunkPapa_ or whatever-the-last-Tanya-one-is-which-is-the-one-i-listen-to-most-so-i am-an-idiot-to-forget-the-title-you-know-the-black-one-with-the-car-on the-cover... a common complaint of mine: if Ms.s Hirsh and Donelly were male, they would be on lots of lists of best and most original guitar players (well, Kristen would be, for sure). hearing Kristen live at Maxwell's (hearing, not seeing, 'cuz it was 6-foot-or-over-persons-night or something, and she's teeny), with a Strat and Fender Twin, was extraordinary. it's just that big ol' texas sun, that makes me footah footah footah in my head... - --+ greg bossert rutgers university network services +-- - --+ bossert@noc.rutgers.edu +-- - --+ http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~bossert +-- - --+ PGP Footprint: 96 6D DC 1D 77 F8 73 68 C9 F6 8B 08 2C 4A 39 42 +-- - --+ +-- - --+ i have never been afraid to change -- Happy +-- - --+ the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes +-- ------------------------------ From: Greg Bossert Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 17:01:11 EST Subject: Re: Boys On The Side movie/music Brittni J. Coe wonders: > Who cares where a movie was filmed? and > I think your message was very interesting, I too heard it was filmed mostly > in Arizona, but who cares? [the former may have just been sent to owner-ecto by mistake] well, lessee, clearly Alex does. *i* do -- i'm one of those people who stays around through the entire credits to see such things. i'll bet there are others who are interested directly, or interested that/because Alex is interested. of the three posts, i'd say Alex's was of the most interest, so i guess i should thank Brittni for including the entire text of it in the response... speaking of soundtracks, my temporary office-mate has just played "the crow" and "natural born killers" soundtracks. "the crow" is enjoyable enough up to the last two tracks, medicine's "time baby iii" and jane siberry's "it can't rain all the time", which are both (of course) great. the "nbk" album ought to be sheer chaos, going as it does from Leonard Cohen to L7 to Lard to Patti Smith to Diamanda Galas to Patsy Cline to Dr. Dre and friends, but Trent Reznor hits all nine inches on the head and makes it work. IMHO. aspirin recommended. only rarely driven to sarcasm but frequently flown to footah, i am - --+ greg bossert rutgers university network services +-- - --+ bossert@noc.rutgers.edu +-- - --+ http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~bossert +-- - --+ PGP Footprint: 96 6D DC 1D 77 F8 73 68 C9 F6 8B 08 2C 4A 39 42 +-- - --+ +-- - --+ i have never been afraid to change -- Happy +-- - --+ the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes +-- ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 13:28:40 +1300 Subject: Re: argh Meredith spake: > Speaking of 4AD, I got my sister the entire Dead Can Dance catalog for her > impending birthday. She'd better like it. :) Can I be your adopted brother? :) :) :) Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ sainty_p@ix.wcc.govt.nz - -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush qlc ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 21:40:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Boys On The Side movie/music Hi! Oh, good Goddess. Greg actually _posted_. Twice. First Wisner posts on Love-Hounds, now this. The end of the world is nigh, people! Prepare! Prepare!!! :) :) :) +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |Excuse me Newt, but I don't recall being asked to sign on any dotted line!| +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 22:18:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: it's a boy! Hi! Philip requested: >Can I be your adopted brother? Sure, Fili. I've been looking to trade in the brother I've got for ages. But you have to buy your own CDs, sorry. :} >qlc I've been meaning to ask this for ages, too -- what the hell does this stand for??? Meredith meth@delphi.com smoe ------------------------------ From: Greg Bossert Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 22:50:05 EST Subject: Re: Boys On The Side movie/music i didn't realize i was being so, er, ominous ;) and hey, w.w. wisner was never (in my memory, anyway) a frequent poster to lovehounds, but looking back at the old digests, it seems like every third post was from your humble F-. i mention this somewhat in the way of warning to those more recently ectophied... dan(n): > The Real Ramona yeah, that's it. buy that one. ;) heck, buy 'em all. anyone have a discography (producography? sounds like lettuce diagrams...) for Pierre Marchand? anyone know if another Talk Talk album is in the works? anyone mentioned halifax (i think) new-folk group Figgy Duff? anyone else hoping for a new Kevin Bartlett album soon? anyone collecting ectophile URLs? anyone think this is a good time to say footah? - --+ greg bossert rutgers university network services +-- - --+ bossert@noc.rutgers.edu +-- - --+ http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~bossert +-- - --+ PGP Footprint: 96 6D DC 1D 77 F8 73 68 C9 F6 8B 08 2C 4A 39 42 +-- - --+ +-- - --+ i have never been afraid to change -- Happy +-- - --+ the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes +-- ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 0:36:24 EST Subject: Re: it's a boy! > >qlc > > I've been meaning to ask this for ages, too -- what the hell does this stand > for??? > > smoe To anyone who knows: I've been meaning to ask this for ages, too -- what the hell does this stand for??? Vickie (in a mood) ps, I will tell the whole list if I get an answer via e-mail, so either tell us all, or don't tell, and everyone on the list who *doesn't* know what "smoe" means can take comfort in the fact that EctoMa is as in the dark as they are. In-jokes *can* go too far sometimes, when people feel left out, and I've felt left out all along too. SMOE t-shirts? Geez, maybe I'm glad I wasn't at the Philly concerts. That really would have upset me. I think it's time to tell. This isn't like "footah" where *NOONE* except Greg knows what it means. This is an in-joke that some know, but most don't. I'm in the don't know category, and it feels like like a "clique" thing. I'm just saying, don't e-mail me with the answer to make me part of the clique, because I won't keep it to myself. Either we're all part of the clique, or I'll stay on the outside with the majority of the Ectophiles. ------------------------------ From: mklprc@teleport.com (Michael Pearce) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 22:02:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Boys On The Side movie/music THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE writes, > What woj neglected to mention here is that yes, Emily, it *is* neat. :) Tom > Waits is one of those songwriters who writes great songs, but should be barred > from actually singing them, imho (I know, I know, there are TONS of people > out there who vehemently disagree with me, you don't have to tell me again :), > and this is one of those great songs that Sarah does a great job with. I actually don't like Ol' 55 (Sarah's version) all that much. I do like Tom, but not as much as I used to; haven't bought any of his albums in years. When I hear Sarah singing it on the tape, the only thought that comes to mind is "why did she do this?" But my all-time favorite Tom Waits projects is the soundtrack he did with Crystal Gayle, to the movie "One From The Heart." Their voices blend so well together; I would never have guessed. That movie is, also, IMO, the most romantic movie I've ever seen; certainly the most romantic movie of the '80s. It didn't do very well in theaters, though. If you do rent it, also be aware that the whole thing was filmed in a sound stage, including the amazing panoramic scenes of the desert outside of Las Vegas and the city scenes as well. - -- +++M++++I++++C++++H++++A++++E++++L++++++P+++++E+++++A+++++R+++++C+++++E+++ | Please don't add "*@aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you. | | mklprc@aol.com | Knowledge for the pupil -er- people. | | mklprc@teleport.com | Give them a light and they'll | | "annoying Xists since 1966" | follow it anywhere! -- Firesign | +++Y+O+U'D++P+A+Y++T+O++K+N+O+W++W+H+A+T++Y+O+U++R+E+A+L+L+Y++T+H+I+N+K+++ ------------------------------ From: dkastens@titan.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Dirk Kastens) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:13:00 +0100 Subject: Talk Talk Hi, Greg asked about a new Talk Talk album. As far as I know from the net, they have a new album out under the name Orang (like the monkey) which is called "Herd of Instinct". The information is half a year old, but I haven't seen the album yet. - -- Dirk ______D.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE______ ------------------------------ From: Albert Philipsen Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:31:19 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Song IDs, epilogue >Which leaves me with one last song to figure out: > >A6. (fluttery flute, accoustic guitar, flat voice. Maybe Toni Childs?) 4:07 >intro:"Would you take it off?, > Would you make it go?.." >repeated:"Getting closer to reality.." > > >Any ideas? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? This is "Getting Close", by Laurie Freelove, from the album _Smells Like Truth_ (a great album!). Glad to be of service... Bueller ------------------------------ From: "Alex Gibbs" Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 04:54:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Boys On The Side movie/music Thanks for the info about Sarah's track. I saw another commercial for the movie with Bonnie Raitt singing a cover of "You Got It" by Roy Orbison, Tom Petty, and Jeff Lynne. I wonder if most of the "new" songs are covers. The Cranberries song in the first commercial was "Dreams", BTW. Greg Bossert : > Brittni J. Coe wonders: > > Who cares where a movie was filmed? > and > > I think your message was very interesting, I too heard it was filmed mostly > > in Arizona, but who cares? > > [the former may have just been sent to owner-ecto by mistake] [It would seem it was since I never saw that post.] The reason for my post was of course the music and movie, which I'm glad was appreciated. :) The location was a footnote, mostly because I live in Tucson. Why should I think some others care? > *i* do -- i'm one of those people who stays around through the entire > credits to see such things. i'll bet there are others who are interested > directly, or interested that/because Alex is interested. That's why. :) And because I, perhaps arrogantly *heh*, think the friends I have made here and in #ecto that see the movie might be interested in the view it may give of where I live, even if it's distorted. After the fuss, for all I know Arizona and esp Tucson is barely in it. *chuckle* /-\ |_ |= >< Alex R. Gibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu Betelgeuse ------------------------------ From: gmcdonald@zdi.ziff.com (glenn mcdonald) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:09:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Talk Talk >Greg asked about a new Talk Talk album. As far as I know >from the net, they have a new album out under the name >Orang (like the monkey) which is called "Herd of Instinct". The Orang album did come out (in the UK) several months ago, and is pretty interesting, but to call it Talk Talk under another name is wrong. It's a side project done by Paul Webb and Lee Harris, who are Talk Talk's rhythm section. Neither Mark Hollis nor Tim Friese-Greene are involved. The music is also a bit more structured and World-Beat-like than _Spirit of Eden_ or _Laughingstock_. glenn ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 25 Jan 95 10:55:53 EST Subject: close but no cigar | over the weekend i went on a ski trip to colorado. i took american |air from austin to dallas the night before and i was on a plane that had |a "radio" and headphones. as i looked thru "american way" magazine i |noticed a listing of all the songs on each channel.. well there in the |middle of some easy listening channel was happy. unfortunately i dont |remember what the song was but it was off rhodes II. i guess more people |have heard happy than we thought!! :) | | just fyi, |kat Well, kat, you need to go re-acquaint yourself with that Happy CD collection. The song is Glory, and it's from her latest CD, BtC. To be really anal about it, I actually have in my hand the page from American Way Magazine. The channel is 10, Soft Favorites, with Host Helen Leicht from (I'm pretty sure) WXPN in Philly (no big surprise there, ay?). Here is the full, very retentive listing: Winter (Tori) Beauty and the Beast (R whittaker) Sky Blue and Black (J Browne) Anytime you need a friend (M Carey) Paths of Desire (Oct Proj) You are so beautiful (K Rogers) Angel from Montgomery (B Raitt/j prine) Beneath Tall Trees (J Flynn) Fields of Gold (Sting) How do you stop (J Mitchell) A Love like this (D Fogelburg) Here there everywhere (Beatles) Secret (Madonna) Sts of Phila (Bruce) Memory (Dennis DeYoung) -- any relation to Rodney? (insider chicago joke) Glory (Our Beloved) Have I Told You Lately (Chieftains) Body and Soul (A Baker) Winds of Change (D Broza) Copperline (J Taylor) Former Love (St Etienne) The Heart/Promise (M Nymann) Cold Comfort (Luke Bloom) Come a long way (M Shocked) Sierra (B Scaggs) Red River waltz overture (S Voelz) Oh, wait... it says 93.3 WMMR after it... maybe that's the station the host is from. How's that for an eclectic list of performers (not). Ecto gets weird... - -mjm ...in memory of 19 Israelis ironically caught in the midst of a bloody struggle for peace... ------------------------------ From: John Relph Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 9:31:49 PST Subject: `O'Rang I received the following from the `O'Rang mailing list. -- John - ------- 'O'RANG - HERD OF INSTINCT Behind galvanised steel doors is a studio called The Slug. Inside, its walls are decorated with what would seem to be an anthropologist's dream: ethnic masks, bizarre, obscure musical instruments, pan-global snapshots. A slow, low tone creeps under another door distracting from the view of plain old Tottenham Hale. Through the door is the live room. In here is 'O'RANG. Lee Harris met Paul Web at school in Southend, England, when they were eleven. Being founder members of TALK TALK at eighteen kept them busy for almost a decade, sporadically finding time between the album - tour - album treadmill to record at home their own brand of musical invention. Lee and Paul were honing their craft as it were, listening to Fela Kuit and Can records, nourishing their love for dub and reggae. (Paul still cites his first experience of African Headcharge as a revelation... "Where the percussion talks, that's enough for me.") Two years ago, The Slug was completed and Lee and Paul had their own playground. "We did actually have an album's worth of material written before we built the studio," reckons Paul. "But the atmosphere of the studio was so different, the material wasn't right for it." Starting afresh, all kinds of musicians and characters were invited to participate in Paul and Lee's world of improvising bliss. All spun their own idiosynchracies into 'O'RANG's rich weave, Harris and Webb recording, playing, goading great performances. "People can express themselves freely here", says Paul. Lee continues: "There's no chords or structure before I edit, so after fifteen minutes of improvisation players go into a trance, they just fly. Sometimes you get a little team playing over a drum track and that will become the starting point for something else." And so the process of playing and recording gave Lee and Paul a tonne of source material to create the music that represents 'O'RANG. (Paul: What it is, is getting the essence of someone's playing and matching it with someone else's."). If that sounds like a rather modern (or scientific) working process, then the finished tracks, bearing in mind they are but cameos of the whole, could sound no more organic. Their music spans continents, like a musical version of Koyanni Sqatsi, but not one moment is out of place: "In ethnic music, you don't know what they're singing about, but you can feel it. There's no distraction." 'O'RANG bring into their work a healthy consciousness, based on a rock of dubby rhythms and tribal percussion (and yes, the percussion talks, in a million different languages), wrapped around in lush voices and tones, and suffused with a thousand beautiful melodies. 'O'RANG's music represents a soul at fire, not a mind looking to 'space out' (or indeed a "Mind On Pleasure") it's the swell of conscience and overwhelming emotion that touches deepest. Undoubtedly aided by the freedom owning The Slug gave them, they had already finished the album when they signed to the ECHO label at the beginning of the year. Generally mistrustful of the biz since their TALK TALK days, 'O'RANG are happy to maintain the wilful independence so important to their being. "The studio is our place of no limitation, there's no one breathing down your neck, there's no pressure." July 25th saw the release of 'O'RANG's debut longplayer 'Herd Of Instinct', but Lee and Paul have been looking beyond that for quite some time. Besides new music, they've been making short films and looking into taking 'O'RANG out live. However, as Lee says, "We want the album to be a central core. We've got this EP and sound system idea we're working on at the moment. All these things are satellites to the album." The music always at the heart, and I reckon Paul and Lee wouldn't have it any other way. Says Lee, "It feels as if we have a resonance with something." "Yes," agrees Paul. "There are moments on this album where it's felt it's come from somewhere else, like it's not even you doing it." I'd prepare to get lost too, sharpish. - ------- ------------------------------ From: Mike Mendelson Date: 25 Jan 95 13:36:14 EST Subject: Bobs in Chicago - ticket info I posted this to the Bobs mailing list... knowing there are some people on ecto who live in Chicago, I thought I would take the liberty of crossposting here. If you've never seen them before, you should go see the Bobs when they come to your town. They are an amazing live experience and you won't be disappointed! (FOBS=Friends of Bobs) - -mjm - ---------------- OK, all you Chicago FOBS, now is really the time to put your money where your mouth is. Many of us here in Chicago have been complaining that the Bobs never grace our windy city with their presence... To our collective glee and delight, the Bobs *WILL* be in Chicago for a rare, small-venue pair of gigs this March. So, you should all unconditionally run out and buy tix to one or both of these shows at the Old Towne School of Folk Music. Ordering tix could not be easier... simply call the OTSFM and place your order. They accept major credit cards. The cost is a measly $16 + $1 service charge (for using credit card) per ticket. Or you can go down there in person and pay cash/check to avoid the extra charge. No ticketmaster sales involved. Here are the specifics: Olde Towne School of Folk Music....312-525-7793 Located on Armitage just east of Sheffield (under the El tracks), a few blocks west of Halstead. The shows are 7pm and 10pm on March 4, Saturday night. The last time the Bobs played in Chicago was with the ISO dance troupe 4 years ago... they played 5 nights and every night was sold out. I believe this was at the Civic Opera House, which is a huge venue. OTSFM is very small by comparison, seating at most 200 people, probably less. Thus, you should make haste to purchase your tickets. Also, this is a great opportunity to introduce your friends to the best a cappella music has to offer. I have already bought 10 tickets for various people, and they will not be disappointed. If we want the Bobs to come to Chicago more regularly, it is our charge to make sure these shows are well-attended. Let's get out there! - -chicagofobmjm ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #6 ************************ ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu