From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #5 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 24 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 005 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: father bungholio Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 20:14:21 -0500 Subject: robyn re-releases bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us (Bradley N. Hutchinson) sez: >Just a quick note--someone has been looking for Robyn >Hitchcock's _I often dream of trains_ and it is being >re-released. as is his entire catalog post-soft boys and pre-a&m records. a total of nine albums will be re-issued on rhino records, all with extra tracks (excepting the live _gotta get this hen out!_). the ninth album will be an odds and sods collection of rare tracks, alternative versions and unreleased material, enigmatically titled _you and oblivion_. if anyone is interested in track listings, either take a peek at http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/rhino3.html on the web or send me e-mail and i'll send you a text version of that file. woj ------------------------------ From: Jacob Paul Leonard Date: Sun, 22 Jan 95 19:08:00 M Subject: Joni Mitchell - live radio concert >I got word of a live Joni Mitchell broadcast, and knowing that there are >several Joni fans here, THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! -Jacob Paul Leonard ------------------------------ From: jeffw@jane.tiac.net (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 22:11:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: irc troubles (John Vance) There seems to be a newly appointed ecto-bot on #ecto. I came on the channel tonite and the topic was set to 'cool party channel', and there was texasbawt hogging the channel. I messaged it, and it's owner came on the channel and kicked me. I asked him to remove the -i so I could set the topic, and he said no and kicked me again. I later got banned. I'm attatching the log, if anyone's interested. Now I know why I gave up IRC... > why did you kick me? > why did you kick me? you kept requestin help from my guardbot *texasgent* yes I would mine - -> *texasgent* why? *texasgent* I mean mind - -texasbawt- [TextBox] v6.21 DCC RAW Guardbot Owner: texasgent *** texasgent (jvance@utic.unicomp.net) has joined channel #ecto *** Mode change "+o texasgent" on channel #ecto by texasbawt - -> *texasgent* would you mind doing a mode -i - -> *texasgent* -t hey! > hello hey! #ecto texasgent H@ jvance@utic.unicomp.net (John Vance) #ecto jane_fan H jeffw@jane.tiac.net (Jeff Wasilko) #ecto texasbawt H@ texas@utic.unicomp.net (texas bawt) #ecto mj_ H TWWkkhoo@obelix.wu-wien.ac.at (kkhoo@kits.sfu.ca) *** You have been kicked off channel #ecto by texasgent (stop requesting +help!) *** jane_fan (jeffw@jane.tiac.net) has joined channel #ecto *** Topic for #ecto: cool party channel *** Users on #ecto: jane_fan @texasbawt mj_ #ecto texasgent H@ jvance@utic.unicomp.net (John Vance) #ecto jane_fan H jeffw@jane.tiac.net (Jeff Wasilko) #ecto texasbawt H@ texas@utic.unicomp.net (texas bawt) *** You have been kicked off channel #ecto by texasgent (because I said so) *** jane_fan (jeffw@jane.tiac.net) has joined channel #ecto > umm, excue me, but are you on ecto? > the list? yes > well, so am I > hogging ops here isn't generally the way to do things. Kicking isn't either *** You have been kicked off channel #ecto by texasgent (new ops, new rules) *** jane_fan (jeffw@jane.tiac.net) has joined channel #ecto > umm _____ |_ _| n (O O) n H _|\_/|_ H nHnn/ \___/ \nnHn \__\/| |\/__/ > not very gent-like *** You have been kicked off channel #ecto by texasgent (you're getting on my nerves jane's addiction freek) *** jane_fan (jeffw@jane.tiac.net) has joined channel #ecto > that's sibbery *** Mode change "+b *!*effw@*.tiac.net" on channel #ecto by texasgent *** You have been kicked off channel #ecto by texasgent (this is what it's come to...) - -- Jeff @ Home.... "With all the confidence I have, it seems I could go forever, but forever has no rest stops."--Happy Rhodes [smoe] ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 20:48:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: irc troubles (John Vance) If you don't like what's been going on on #ecto, you can complain to the person's bosses: ravi@unicomp.net and craig@unicomp.net and santosh@UNICOMP.NET - -- Jeff Wasilko, Systems Rep., Information International Inc. +1 617 937 9400 (jeffw@triple-i.com, jeffw@jane.camex.com) "With all the confidence I have, it seems I could go forever, but forever has no rest stops."--Happy Rhodes [smoe] ------------------------------ From: dkastens@titan.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Dirk Kastens) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:04:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Happy www home page Hi, thanks to everyone for the hints at the www browser. I'm using Mosaic and it's really possible to delay the image transfer. I didn't know that before. Now the access time is very short. :-) A couple of German universities already have a 2 MBit/s internet link, but we don't have the money :-( - -- Dirk ______D.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE______ ------------------------------ From: "Stewart RI" Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:38:28 SAT Subject: I finally got BtC !!! Hi, After many months of trying, I finally have a copy of BtC. A friend who was in the states on holiday got it for me. I haven't yet listened to it (I only found out 3 minutes ago that the guy actually got it.) Unfortunately, I am no longer subscribed to the ecto mailing list, but I just thought I'd let you know that there is a fan here in South Africa who has BtC. Are there any others that anyone knows of? I also foound a copy of Sarah McLachlan's FtE here, so I bought that as well. Shit, am I glad I subscribed to ecto :) That's all from me. Much love, Robert (a.k.a. harry_) ============================================================== | From : Robert I. Stewart | | : Department of Computer Science | | : University of Port Elizabeth | | : P.O. Box 1600, Port Elizabeth, 6000, South Africa | | Email : csaris@cs.upe.ac.za | ============================================================== ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 4:42:26 EST Subject: Liz & Bettie on TV Monday night According to What's On Tonight, Liz Phair will be on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno, and Bettie Seervert will be on Late Night with Conan O'Brien. That's tonight, Monday. Sue, have you given up doing the Late Night lists? I miss them :-(, but do thank you for doing them for the time you did. Vickie ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 02:42:52 -0800 Subject: Spirit of the West Well I went to the Vancouver Symphony with my sister the other night. Haven't been to a symphony in some time... it was fun seeing the old rituals and traditions of the orchestra. (I always think the ritualistic tuning session at the beginning is one of the best parts... all synching to the A440.) Anyway, leafing through the brochure I noticed that Spirit of the West will be playing with the VSO on May 12 and 13. The long-rumoured concert seems to be going ahead! Though I can't imagine what they'd be like with a full orchestra. Should be interesting, though. Apparently the concerts are going to be taped for a video and CD release. Anyway, just thought someone out there might find that interesting to know... - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca nkg@helix.net Ecto URL: http://www.helix.net/ecto/ - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * nkg@helix.net 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: GIBSOND@AA.WL.COM Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 11:17:00 -0500 Subject: Re: New Collective Heart Hi again, I spoke w/the DJ at WDET and the version is new, its a 4-track CD w/acoustic versions. Is this available to the general public? Bob - check w/Susan. Don ------------------------------ From: GIBSOND@AA.WL.COM Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 11:07:00 -0500 Subject: New radio version of "Collective Heart" Hi, If my ears don't decieve me I am presently listening to a different version of "Collective Heart" on the radio (WDET in Detroit). Much slower than original and more percussion (bongo's). Anyone have any info on this new mix? It is really sweet! Don ------------------------------ From: Sue Trowbridge Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:04:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Liz & Bettie on TV Monday night > Sue, have you given up doing the Late Night lists? I miss them :-(, > but do thank you for doing them for the time you did. I've gotten lots of mail requesting that I start posting the lists again, so I thought I'd reply to everyone. I've been incredibly busy with other cyberprojects, most notably the Top Ten listserv, which provides David Letterman's nightly Top Ten list by email to over 35,000 (!) subscribers. I'm also creating a home page for my fave band, the Loud Family, and one for the nonprofit organization where I work. (Access 'em all through my own homepage, at http://www.access.digex.net/~trow/.) So the late night TV music list fell by the wayside. I hope to start it up again soon, though, since I know a lot of people find it useful. - --Sue Trowbridge Top Ten listserv address: listserv@clark.net Message body: SUBSCRIBE TOPTEN yourname ------------------------------ From: David Koehler Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:18:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: University Any other Ectophiles heard the new Throwing Muses album? I think it's the best thing they've done since _House Tornado_. Damn good! 8-) - - Dave ------------------------------ From: Michael Colford Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:34:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: University On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, David Koehler wrote: > Any other Ectophiles heard the new Throwing Muses album? I think it's the > best thing they've done since _House Tornado_. > > Damn good! 8-) Got it over the weekend. I've only listened to it once so far, but it does sound terrific. Kind of a melding of Throwing muses' wilder stuff, and Kristen Hersh's solo acoustic stuff. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noble.mass.edu | *North of Boston Library Exchange* -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Alex Gibbs" Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:35:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Liz & Bettie on TV Monday night Thanks for the warning Vickie. > with Jay Leno, and Bettie Seervert will be on Late Night with Conan Bettie Serveert hosted last night's 120 minutes and performed, but I have yet to finish wading through the tape. Someone told me their new album is out soon. I haven't been watching 120 Min for a few months... just gave up after a while. > Sue, have you given up doing the Late Night lists? I miss them :-(, > but do thank you for doing them for the time you did. Ditto on both counts! Funny, someone forwarded me one of the top ten lists from your list, Sue, and I was pleaantly surprised to see your name there. It was actually the one from the show that Iris Dement was on, Jan 5, during Happy's first show. /-\ |_ |= >< Alex R. Gibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu Betelgeuse ------------------------------ From: Sue Trowbridge Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 16:42:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Upcoming musical guests on late night talk shows "LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN" (CBS, 11:35 PM ET) Monday, Jan. 23: Country singer Tim McGraw (Originally broadcast 5/4/94). Tuesday, Jan. 24: Singer Lyle Lovett (Originally broadcast 10/3/94). Wednesday, Jan. 25: Singer Anita Baker (Originally broadcast 9/30/94). Thursday, Jan. 26: Musical group Lisa Loeb and Nine Stories (Originally broadcast 7/25/94). Friday, Jan. 27: Singer Aretha Franklin (Originally broadcast 9/7/94). Monday, Jan. 30: Singer Mary Chapin Carpenter. Tuesday, Jan. 31: Musical group Simple Minds. "THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO" (NBC, 11:35 PM ET) Monday, Jan. 23: Singer Liz Phair. Tuesday, Jan. 24: Singer Etta James. Thursday, Jan. 26: Music group The Go-Go's. Friday, Jan. 27: Singer Anita Baker. Wednesday, Feb. 1: Singer Dionne Farris. Thursday, Feb. 2: Country singer Travis Tritt. Friday, Feb. 3: Singer Joni Mitchell. "THE LATE LATE SHOW WITH TOM SNYDER" (CBS, 12:35 PM ET) Tuesday, Jan. 31: Singer Lorrie Morgan. "LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN" (NBC, 12:35 PM ET) Monday, Jan. 23: Bettie Serveert. Wednesday, Jan. 25: Clay Crosse. Thursday, Jan. 26: Nick Lowe. Monday, Jan. 30: Belly. "LATER WITH GREG KINNEAR" (NBC, 1:35 PM ET) Monday, Feb. 6: Singer Mel Torme. Posted by Sue Trowbridge http://www.access.digex.net/~trow/ ------------------------------ From: pmcohen@netaxs.com (Paul Cohen) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:05:51 -0500 Subject: Re: University >Any other Ectophiles heard the new Throwing Muses album? I think it's the >best thing they've done since _House Tornado_. > >Damn good! 8-) It's certainly a good 'un. Haven't heard it enough to rate it against their other albums yet, but it certainly has been worth the wait. ________Paul Cohen________________pmcohen@netaxs.com________________________ Philadelphia, PA http://www.netaxs.com/~pmcohen/ ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 22:28:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: argh Hi! Live music and I haven't been getting along for the past few days. It all started on Friday, when I planned to go see Dar Williams play at a coffeehouse in Montclair, NJ, which isn't too far from here. I called for directions before we left, and we headed out, got lost, and finally found the place only about 5 minutes late, only to discover that the person who had given me directions over the phone had neglected to mention that the show was already sold out. :P :P :P Strike One. Then Saturday evening all night I had this feeling that there was something very wrong, but couldn't quite put my finger on what it was. Sunday afternoon it hit me -- we had intended to go see Joan Osborne at CBGB that night, but plum forgot all about it. Guess it wasn't *that* important to us, but still. :P :P :P Strike Two. But there was still hope, Kirsty MacColl at Fez on Tuesday night! Should probably call to reserve a couple spots sometime, thinks I, and finally this evening I remember to pick up the phone and call. Sorry, that's sold out. :P :P :P Strike Three, you're out, I give up, I'm going to bed. At least I have tickets *in my hand* for Laurie Anderson on Saturday night, and Tamar has assured me that her non-student friends coming to see her and her band on Friday night will indeed be able to get in, she's already checked. Perhaps there is possibility for redemption... We are taping the Kurt Weill thing from NPR as I type. Thanks for the warning, Vickie! And double thanks for the warning wrt Liz Phair and Bettie Serveert on the various NBC late-night talk shows this evening, too. While I'm here, we got _University_ yesterday. I haven't been able to really listen to it, but fell asleep to it last night and woke up to it this morning, and I must say I like it a lot. I confess to being rather ignorant when it comes to Throwing Muses -- they never did much for me until I got mesmerized by Kristen Hersh's _Strings_ and decided to check them out again and had an epiphany -- but just on first listen, I liked this one a lot more than _Red Heaven_. We'll have to see how it grows. I like track #10. "Yes folks, just in case you forgot, we *are* on 4AD!" :) Speaking of 4AD, I got my sister the entire Dead Can Dance catalog for her impending birthday. She'd better like it. :) +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |Excuse me Newt, but I don't recall being asked to sign on any dotted line!| +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: "The ONLY one..." Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 00:10:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: happy on american dear ecto folk.. its been a long time since i have written, but i thought all you happy fans would get a kick out of this one... over the weekend i went on a ski trip to colorado. i took american air from austin to dallas the night before and i was on a plane that had a "radio" and headphones. as i looked thru "american way" magazine i noticed a listing of all the songs on each channel.. well there in the middle of some easy listening channel was happy. unfortunately i dont remember what the song was but it was off rhodes II. i guess more people have heard happy than we thought!! :) just fyi, kat ------------------------------ From: Nicholas Hill Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 03:07:29 -0500 Subject: Joni broadcast JANUARY 26 I see some one has reposted my Joni notice here on ecto Please be informed that the show is live this Thursday January 26 NOT February as I had posted sorry Nicholas Hill P.S. She will be playing solo in the 200 seat Gene Autry Museum in LA /should be very cool ------------------------------ From: Robert Lovejoy Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 06:23:35 -0500 Subject: Re: New Collective Heart On Mon, 23 Jan 1995 GIBSOND@AA.WL.COM said: >I spoke w/the DJ at WDET and the version is new, its a 4-track CD >w/acoustic versions. Is this available to the general public? > >Bob - check w/Susan. Kevin mentioned this to me when we were setting up the Middle East.net. He said it would be for radio stations only. I'll check w/Susanne to confirm. Bob ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 9:00:48 EST Subject: The Sad Saga of Sarah's Stalker A few months ago I said I'd keep people updated on the story of the Sarah McLachlan "Possession" case. I was hoping to pass along the news that the case had been dropped. Well, the case has been dropped, but not for the reason I would have wanted it to be dropped. It's a sad story, and my heart is hurting, for Uwe, and for Sarah. This originally appeared in the newsgroup alt.music.s-mclachlan, and was then sent to the mailing list FTE. Vickie - -------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.music.s-mclachlan From: ab142@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (James Hrynyshyn) Subject: OTTAWA X PRESS ARTICLE: Object of Obsession Sender: ab142@freenet.carleton.ca (James Hrynyshyn) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:26:37 GMT Lines: 197 The Ottawa X Press story on Uwe Vandrei. It appeared jan. 18. Ottawa X Press is an alternative weekly news and entertainment magazine and can be reached at xpress@freenet.carleton.ca. A web site is in the works. Object of Obsession Oh Sarah, Will I ever hold you on that shore? Or only live it in a dream? Will I ever tell you of my fears? Will you ever collect my tear? Uwe Vandrei Letters to Sarah, 1992 And I would be the one to hold you down, Kiss you so hard. I'll take your breath away And after I wipe away your tears Just close your eyes dear. Sarah McLachlan "Possession," 1994 by Jane Tattersall and James Hrynyshyn Few people noticed Uwe Vandrei's disappearance last fall. His neighbors on Vanier's Barrette Street most often described him as a loner. Only the chance discovery in November of his truck parked in the Manotick woods, his decomposing body inside brought to light the end of his tragic life. And yet Vandrei was not an entirely unknown quantity. Those that did know him at all could point to the source of his pain. But who could have predicted his love for Vancouver singer Sarah McLachlan would drive him to suicide? Vandrei's obsession with McLachlan is not the first time a fan has gone over the edge. Indeed, the list of crazed fans is a long one. David Letterman has one. Jodie Foster has one who's also a failed presidential assassin. Even some Ottawa musicians have been confronted with over-enthusiastic admirers. They're inevitable. But there's little anyone can do to help them and Vandrei's case is a perfect example of why. Carey Stevens, an Ottawa psychologist who deals with obsessive-compulsive behavior, says fixations of any kind usually arise to fill a gap in someone's life. If the problem is smoking or nail-biting, it can be treated through behavioral modification, says Stevens. As long as they're a good reason to quit, the patient can. Fixating on a media star, however, is more difficult to treat because there's no obvious incentive to giving it up. Its origins are also more mysterious. "I don't know of a client who's been able to say, This is why I do it.' It's something that gradually forms," says Stevens. "I don't think they understand - and I really believe they're telling the truth." Perhaps Vandrei needed an intellectual and emotional partner. For some reason, he couldn't find one here and turned to McLachlan instead. Other obsessed fans have followed the same path. Many of those who's tactics have ended up as fodder for the popular press have resorted to gruesome or outrageous strategies. But Vandrei's story does not include dead animals or body parts mailed to the star. There are no threats, no signs of violence or otherwise dangerous behavior, just letters. Lots of letters. And a bizarre lawsuit asking for $250,000 and credit for supplying the material that he claimed McLachlan used as the basis for her song about an obsessed fan, "Possession." Oh into the sea of waking dreams I follow without pride CAUSE nothing stands between us here And I won't be denied. -- S. McLachlan "Possession," 1994 As do many obsessed fans, Vandrei kept to himself. "We never saw him with anybody or saw anybody at his house. He spoke with my roommate once about the court case, but that was pretty much it," says next-door neighbor James Buchanan. Buchanan says Vandrei's home was well-stocked with computer equipment, and that the computer engineer was a well-known presence on several Internet newsgroups. (Psychologist Stevens says many obsessive loners are turning to the Internet to find some sort of social fulfillment.) In his basement he kept stacks of books and journals with titles like "Poems" and "Songs." But he didn't appear to have a social life in the physical sense. Details of his life -- his age, birthplace, family -- are hard to come by. His former landlord contacted Vandrei's family after his death and promised to pass on a request for an X Press interview, but the family has yet to respond. Buchanan says he and his roommate only noticed Vandrei's absence when junk mail started piling up outside his door. "We were cleaning it up for him. Then his bike got knocked over in the driveway and he didn't pick it up. It just sat on its side for days. That made us start to wonder." Even the building manager saw little of the man. He paid his rent on the apartment he lived in for three years with post-dated cheques. According to the manager, he told people in September just before he disappeared that he was going to Vancouver, which is where McLachlan is based. She described him as "a nice, friendly guy. He was incredibly intelligent, but misguided. There was no question in his mind that she [McLachlan] was as much in love with him as he was with her." Let me repeat the lessons that you may not have learned well. Time and distance are IRRELEVANT! I am absorbed by, bound to you and I can wait a year, a decade, a lifetime. I will still be there, cherishing, contemplating, waiting. -- U. Vandrei Letters to Sarah, Other neighbors tell of meeting Vandrei on the street and immediately finding themselves involved in a mostly one-sided conversation of the merits of McLachlan's music. It was clear he was obsessed. His letters, the ones he sent to McLachlan over the space of more than two years, paint a picture of a lonely man who had nothing to live for beyond the slim hope of recognition from his idol. In one, he compares his life to the frozen Rideau River waterfalls, "except that spring is certain to come and my winter is eternal." So desperate was he for McLachlan's attention that he thought nothing of exposing his obsession to public scrutiny. He launched the lawsuit last September, then he sent copies of his letters to CKCU radio. All that mattered was reaching the siren of his dreams. Such behavior may sound irrational, but to an obsessed fan it makes sense. Police have come across similar patterns in stalkers, men who pursue women relentlessly. As an American detective told Details magazine two years ago, going to court is "like going on a date - he gets to be in the same room as her, gets to talk at her if not to her, learns new details about her life." Rodney Murphy, a Carleton University student who met Vandrei at a McLachlan concert in December, 1993, spent several hours talking with him. "He kept talking about how little faith he had in humanity," Murphy recalls. "The court case wasn't about money. He didn't need it. He was very well off. All he wanted to do was meet her. He was in love with her music, her whole persona." Nevertheless, Murphy felt it was for the best that Vandrei never actually meet his idol. "He wasn't at all violent or hostile, but he truly believed everything he told me. He couldn't see things straight. Meeting her would have made the whole scheme even more real to him." Oh you speak to me in riddles And you speak to me in rhyme. My body aches to breathe your breath, Your words keep me alive -- S. McLachlan "Possession," 1994 McLachlan has always portrayed herself in her songs and videos as a mythic, remote figure. Through her management agency, she declined to talk about the affair, but in an interview on MuchMusic she described herself as a "sucker for tragic romance." The image she has constructed has attracted more than one obsessive fan. In March of 1994 a restraining order was issued against a fan who moved to Vancouver to be near the singer. But even if Vandrei wasn't the most troublesome fan, his death shows he was the most troubled. All these years your music kept me warm in that winter. You warm me so, and we have not even met yet! -- U. Vandrei Letters to Sarah, 1992 -30- - -- - ----------- James Hrynyshyn *** ab142@freenet.carleton.ca Centretown, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada (613) 235-9465 *** News Editor, Ottawa X Press ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #5 ************************ ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu