From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #4 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, 22 January 1995 Volume 02 : Number 004 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 01:12:58 EST Subject: Re: Pieces of tin? Mitch writes: >I myself once put the same question on the net as Greg just did, and was >assured by several people that it's the stuff of urban legend. The >polycarbonate outer skin, if nothing else, would be enough to keep the >laser-pitted metal core from self-destructing. Out of curiosity, I just had a quick comparison of about 12 or so discs. Half of those I would consider very old -- I purchased them between '83 and '85, so we'll call 'em between 9.5 and 11.5 years old. The other group's discs were all pressed in '94. While hardly scientific or statistically worthwhile, it was certainly interesting to note that all but one of the old discs had varying amounts of pin spotting when held over a bright light. The worst was probably a-ha's _Hunting High and Low_, purchased in November of '85 (egads, what a _brilliant_ album!). All of these discs play alright, so far as I know. Of the '94 discs, only one had any pin spotting, and that disc only had a single hole (Sheryl Crow's _Tuesday Night Music Club_). Of course, I've no idea how long the pin spotting has been there on the older discs; perhaps production evaluations weren't as stringent back then, and the discs have been spotted since day 1. And as I said, right now they don't seem to affect playback, though error correction today is a hell of a lot better than it was a decade+ ago... But I'm not sure I'm convinced the polycarbonate shell is the protectant claimed... Jeff ------------------------------ From: cornholio boy Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 11:54:51 -0500 Subject: finnished again! two new finnish releases to go ga-ga over: va"rttina" - aitara: not yet released in america (i received my copy thanks to a nice finn who wanted a copy of _building the colossus_ in return) but i'd be very surprised if green linnet sits on their thumbs much longer and doesn't license this in the states soon. varttina (i will dispense with the umlauts since my terminal sucks) is a pop-folk fusion featuring a chorus of four women wailing in finnish and a top notch group of folk musicians providing the backdrop including such names as kari reiman and pekka lehti (maybe not big names here, but they're venerables in the finn folk music revival). the music on this record is what jumped out at me first - it's just plain stupendous. i can't even begin to describe it. the singing is very impressive too: though very different from, say, the bulgarian choruses, varttina has also has a strong emotional effect on me. it's extremely upbeat, fun, happy stuff. maria kalaniemi - this is an album from 1992 which has finally seen release on american shores, courtesy of green linnet. kalaniemi is one of the most accomplished accordianists in finland (she teaches at the sibelius academy folk music department now) and also has had a strong impact on the finn folk scene through her involvement with niekku, one of the most popular contemporary finnfolksters. this album is a lot more traditional than varttina though often just as upbeat and joyful. while many of the tunes are penned by maria, the music sounds very timeless. the second tune, "skymningspolskan" (growing dusky polska), could very well be the most beautiful piece of music i've heard in my life. woj ------------------------------ From: "Alex Gibbs" Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 12:24:53 -0700 Subject: Boys On The Side movie/music I know I've been out of touch but I can't find any mention in ecto of the new movie _Boys On The Side_ with Whoopi Goldberg, Drew Barrymore, and Mary-Louise Parker. During the TV preview the Cranberries can be heard and the ad reads: New Recordings by: Bonnie Raitt Melissa Etheridge Sheryl Crow Pretenders Stevie Nicks Sarah McLachlan Cool. :) I am unitentionally off FTE right now so I don't know if this has been mentioned there, but does anyone know if these are really "new" songs? (Cranberries isn't.) At least one character (Whoopi) is gay, FWIW. What was also cool for me is that I'm almost 100% sure it was at least partially filmed in southern Arizona (don't find that many saguaro cacti many places), and pretty sure some of what I saw was in or around Tucson. Plus the guy Barrymore's character kisses in the ad is wearing a shirt that says Tucson Police Dept. A fair number of movies have been filmed here, but many are westerns that don't show Tucson of course, and some others just shoot around here, which could be what they did. Well, the scenery is probably the best part. Just had to share that as well. :) /-\ |_ |= >< Alex R. Gibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu Betelgeuse "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 14:51:19 +0001 (EST) Subject: Re: Boys On The Side movie/music On Sat, 21 Jan 1995, Alex Gibbs wrote: > Sarah McLachlan > > Cool. :) I am unitentionally off FTE right now so I don't know if this has > been mentioned there, but does anyone know if these are really "new" songs? > (Cranberries isn't.) At least one character (Whoopi) is gay, FWIW. According to what Nettwerk posted over on FTE, the Sarah song is "Ol' 55" off of The Freedom Sessions. Mike *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* | Michael Curry / mcurry@world.std.com / CIS: 70372,3563 | |++++++++++++++++++++++++++++smoe+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++| | Reaching-From-Nowhere -- The Milla Mailing List | | reaching-from-nowhere-request@world.std.com | *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* ------------------------------ From: Emily Breed Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 13:53:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Boys On The Side movie/music On Sat, 21 Jan 1995, Michael K Curry wrote: > According to what Nettwerk posted over on FTE, the Sarah song is "Ol' > 55" off of The Freedom Sessions. Ooh - Sarah doing a Tom Waits song? Now *that* sounds neat! - -- Emily (who's taking the dangerous step of keeping her list of "cds to get" on her Newton so she has it with her whenever she goes to a record store) ------------------------------ From: cornholio boy Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 18:15:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Boys On The Side movie/music Emily Breed sez: >On Sat, 21 Jan 1995, Michael K Curry wrote: >> According to what Nettwerk posted over on FTE, the Sarah song is "Ol' >> 55" off of The Freedom Sessions. >Ooh - Sarah doing a Tom Waits song? Now *that* sounds neat! you can already hear a copy of it on the fumbling towards ecstasy tour video that was released not too long ago (on both nettwerk and arista) or on the freedom sessions ep, which is only available in canada on nettwerk. woj ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 18:26:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Boys On The Side movie/music Hi! What woj neglected to mention here is that yes, Emily, it *is* neat. :) Tom Waits is one of those songwriters who writes great songs, but should be barred from actually singing them, imho (I know, I know, there are TONS of people out there who vehemently disagree with me, you don't have to tell me again :), and this is one of those great songs that Sarah does a great job with. According to reports from those who actually have the Freedom Sessions (mine hasn't arrived yet :P), it says in the liner notes that "Ol' 55" was recorded late at night after the entire band had consumed "an immeasurable quantity of red wine". I'll have to watch the video again, but it was definitely dark outside and inside the studio, and it was obvious that everyone involved was pretty mellow. :) Whoops, gotta go, woj has got into the Noteworthy Music catalog again, and BAD things always happen when he does that... +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |Excuse me Newt, but I don't recall being asked to sign on any dotted line!| +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 00:13:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Laurie Anderson Tour Dates Hi! Thanks to the magic of the WWW (and a serendipitous glance over woj's shoulder as he surfed same), I have found some confirmed tour dates for Laurie Anderson above and beyond next Saturday's preview at Purchase College. Tix for the Boston show are purportedly already on sale, but I dunno about the rest. Seattle 2/6-7, Fifth Ave. Theater, Cloud Nine Productions Vancouver 2/8, Orpheum Theater, Perryscope Concerts Bellingham, WA, 2/10, Mt. Baker Theater, Cloud Nine Productions Portland, OR, 2/11, Civic Auditorium, Monqui Presents Eugene, OR, 2/13, Hult Center, Monqui Presents Berkeley, CA, 2/15-17, Zellerbach Aud, Cal Performances(95% confirmed) Santa Cruz, CA 2/19, Civic Auditorium, Bill Graham Presents Los Angeles, 2/21-23, Wilshire Theater, Nederlander of CA San Diego, 2/24-25, Spreckles Theater, Bill Silva Presents Scottsdale, AZ, 2/27-28, Center for the Arts, Scotts Cult. Center Albuquerque, NM, 3/1, Kiva Auditorium, Evening Star Productions Denver, 3/2, Paramount Theater, Small Axe Productions Houston, 3/6, Cullen Auditorium, Pace Concerts Toronto, Ont, 3/20, O'Keefe Center, CPI Louisville, KY, 3/24, Palace Theater, Sunshine Promotions There are many more shows for the rest of the country in the works, and the tour will probably go until May. Keep your eyes peeled for announcements, and if I find out any more, I'll pass them along here. "Why? Because I've got eyes in the back of my head." +==========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA finger info at: mtarr@wesleyan.edu| +==========================================================================+ |Excuse me Newt, but I don't recall being asked to sign on any dotted line!| +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 03:30:09 -0500 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Terry Partis (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) *********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Terry Partis Sun January 22 1933 Rocker Ilka Heber Mon February 01 1965 Mermaid Bob Lovejoy Sun February 02 1947 Aquarius Diane Burke Sat February 02 1963 slow children Timothy S. Devine Tue February 03 1970 Aquarius Stephen Thomas Fri February 04 1966 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank Siri Wed February 14 1990 Woof! Jim Sturnfield Thu February 18 1954 Aquarius Juha Kannisto Wed February 18 1970 Aquarius Linda Saboe Tue February 20 1951 aimless - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Kevin John Contzen Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 00:55:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: laurid anderson in vancouver... is anyone else going to the Laurie Anderson concert in Vancouver February 8?... maybe we could arrange some kind of ecto meeting beforehand..:) kevin Being gay is like being superhuman, only better. ------------------------------ From: WretchAwry Date: Sun, 22 Jan 95 5:04:26 EST Subject: Mary Margaret O'Hara & PJ Harvey sing Kurt Weill!?!? LISTEN! This may be syndicated, or it may be on all over the USA at approx the same time, but check your local listings for a PBS show (Great Performances) called "September Songs-The Music Of Kurt Weill" because it sounds like it's going to be AMAZING!! It airs in Chicago (CST) on Wednesday night at 10:00pm, ch 11 WTTW. It runs for 1 hour and 30 minutes. This is the listing in the TV Guide: - -- The German-born composer (1900-50) is recalled in an imaginative music special that spans his career--from Berlin in the 1920s to Broadway in the '40s. Making magical use of a deserted warehouse, director Larry Weinstein and designer Michael Levine create innovative settings for Weill's songs, among them..."Surabaya Johnny" and "Youkali Tango" (performed by Teresa Stratas), "Mack The Knife" (Nick Cave), "Cannon Song" (Stan Ridgway), "Lost In The Stars" (Elvis Costello), "Lonely House" (Betty Carter), "September Song" (Lou Reed), "Aggie's Sewing Machine" (Kathy Dalton), and "Alabama Song" (David Johansen, Ellen Shipley, Ralph Shuckett, Bob Dorough). - -- Which was enough to make me mark it with a big red Magic Marker. I would have watched it anyway, just because it was Weill, but Stan Ridgway and Kathy Dalton (who can be heard on Van Dyke Parks' album _Jump_) clinched it for me. Imagine my suprise then, to read this, by pure happenstance (the name Weill caught my eye) in rec.music.misc: - ---- From: eye@interlog.com (eye WEEKLY) Date: 19 Jan 1995 09:39:34 -0500 Newsgroups: eye.news,rec.music.misc Subject: POP EYE: Kurt Weill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ eye WEEKLY January 19 1995 Toronto's arts newspaper .....free every Thursday ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ POP EYE POP EYE KURT WEILL IS ALIVE AND WELL AND LIVING IN A WAREHOUSE IN PARKDALE "I have never acknowledged the difference between serious music and light music. There is only good music." -- Kurt Weill by CINDY MCGLYNN My Chinese friends tell me 1995 is the year of the pig (which means prosperity, yahoo) but I swear it's the year of Kurt Weill. First, German siren, songstress and naked actress Ute Lemper comes to town last fall and I read a million articles about the uproar she caused in Germany when performing Weill's catalogue of politically charged show tunes. Some figure a sassy upstart like her lacks the depth to really wring the emotion out of Weill's stuff. Who is this Weill guy? Then I get shipped out to find out about a flick called September Songs featuring people like Lou Reed and Mary Margaret O'Hara and P.J. Harvey singing Kurt Weill songs. Who is this Weill guy? Then eye's Erin Hawkins passes me a weird 1985 Kurt Weill tribute album with people like Todd Rundgren and Marianne Faithfull doing the crooning. Last Friday, I see an ad for an Equity Showcase presentation of Kurt Weill's Seven Deadly Sins. This Weill guy, I'm starting to realize, is in the very air you breathe. He kicked the bucket in 1950, but before then, the classically trained German composer, along with lyricist Bertolt Brecht, shook up Nazi Germany with show tunes authorities figured showed anarchical tendencies. His work was banned there and the movie says Weill was on Hitler's hit-list, which sent him fleeing to France and then America, where some say he founded American opera. You'll recognize titles like The Threepenny Opera, The Seven Deadly Sins and Lost In The Stars. The Rhombus Media-ZDF German Television co-production of September Songs: The Music Of Kurt Weill is a tr performances cut together with footage of old Weill pics, performances and compelling shots of Nazi Germany. The cabaret part was filmed in an enormous warehouse in Parkdale last winter. Campy, clever and sometimes riveting (P.J. Harvey singing "The Ballad Of The Soldier's Wife" is fabulous), September Songs leaves you with a lingering sense of how boring your life is. Har Har Har. No, I mean a lingering sense of the love/hate relationship between politics and art and the power this holds over the lives of those who, like Weill, dare take the stage. The film's director, Larry Weinstein, says what he liked most about Weill is his ability to roll with the times. "I love his bravado. His versatility. His lack of snobbery. He was a guy who was brilliant and had totally tuned his attention into the times." Some classical types say Weill sold out, but Weinstein is one of many who say his genius was in his ability to blend musical styles and his refusal to acknowledge boundaries. During the filming, eye's Erin Hawkins hung out with bizarro singer Stan Ridgway. Erin's impressions of Ridgway, who does a hilariously macabre version of Weill's "Cannon Song," were of a cool, intelligent man with an "I don't give a fuck" attitude. Erin liked that. "My attitude towards this music is that it was really subterfuge," he told her. "It was subverting the popular music of the day -- which basically was oom-pah music and placing really quite poisonous messages inside it. Up until this point, there was no place you could find issues like death and blood and deep rumination of mortality and morality." Just to be difficult, Ridgway prefaced this by saying people take Weill too seriously. Weinstein added that he figured Weill was an averagely interesting fellow who lived in remarkable times. Either way, it makes for a nifty movie. Other Torontonians involved include the Esprit Orchestra, those dedicated new- classical types, who composed the only original music for the movie. WARNING: COMPOSERS If you've heard of Esprit, then you may have heard of Montreal's SMCQ (Societ de musique contemporaine du Qubec) -- the oldest new music society in North America, doncha know. SMCQ is bringing five soloists to the Music Gallery on Friday for a performance that composer and SMCQ director Walter Boudreau promises won't be too scary. "People see new classical composers as crazy guys in basements who don't eat, don't drink and don't have sex. They've got fuzzy white hair and funny little glasses. I've known a few of those madmen, but they're the exception." Boudreau, who was TSO's composer in residence for three years, promises an eclectic performance perfect for curious newcomers including a work of his own called Coffre III. He says Coffre III is nasty and violent, but it ends "cutely, if you can say that something like this is cute." "We do like to scare people a little bit. It's fun." SMCQ plays the Music Gallery Jan. 20. The North American premiere of September Songs is Friday, Jan 20 at the Opera House ($50 -- a fundraiser for Esprit, tax receipts issued, etc.). Or catch it Jan. 25 on PBS. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Retransmit freely in cyberspace Author holds standard copyright Issues of eye in archive http://www.interlog.com/eye Mailing list available gopher://interlog.com eye@interlog.com "Break the Gutenberg Lock..." 416-971-8421 - --------------------------------------------------------------------- YEEHA! Hopefully, Lotte Lenya, Marianne Faithful and Dagmar Krause will show up in there too. They are the ultimate Weillites (IMHO). (If, after it's over, those of you who have watched it now want to scour record stores for Weill stuff, I highly recommend a tribute album called _Lost In The Stars_, which is mentioned in that article. Everyone from Carla Bley to John Zorn to Sting try their hand at Weill, and everyone involved succeeds magnificently. It's a must have for anyone even slightly interested in Weill). Vickie ------------------------------ From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 07:40:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: subscribe? Hello, How can I subscribe to this list again? - -Quenby ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 95 19:21:30 +1000 Subject: Re: You are witnessing a start!! > Elektra has just undergone major restructuring and the album came out at > the wrong time to avoid that so they are releasing a single this next month > and giving it another shove. And for those of you in Australia, Warner are releasing the album on Monday. I just got my copy, and it sounds great, after one listen. - - Anthony - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 95 18:56:42 +1000 Subject: Re: Imago dead? Gina says: > On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Jeff Wasilko wrote: > > > I saw a post on alt.music.alternative.female about Aimee Mann's > > new album, and one writer seemed to indicated that Imago was > > going broke/bust. > > This is true there is no Imago but there are still contracts for these > two artists and whatever was decided on in the final agreements with > Imago is where the artists on Imago will go. No word on my end yet as to > where they have gone but if I ever hear I will post it. My info from here - without having spoken to BMG yet - is that Imago and BMG have parted ways, and Imago will continue as a label. Quoting a news item that was faxed to Beat and reworded by our music news person: After a four-year partnership, during which not a lot of hits were made, BMG and Imago are getting divorced. Imago boss Terery Ellis says he'll keep going with his own funds until a new distributor is found AND that his acts - including Terry Rollins (he means Henry, actually - Anthony), Kylie Minogue, John Waite and Aimee Mann - will stay with him. Or will they? Rollins says he's trying to leave and won't record again until them, and has warned other acts to stay away. I'll be trying to find out more over the next few days - I'm a bit worried, naturally, that the imminent Australian releases of the Love Spit Love and Paula Cole albums may now not happen. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 18:53:42 +1000 Subject: Re: Mae Moore new album news Steve Fagg asks: > At 12:51 pm 18/1/95 -0800, Neile Graham wrote: > >I also read there that Mae Moore has a new disc due out in March called > >_Dragonfly_. > > Can Neile (or anybody else) confirm that this album will NOT feature the > production talents of Mr. Steve Kilbey? I seem to recall hearing a rumour > to this effect some months ago, the rumour indicated that the reason for > this was that Mae was unhappy with him. If this is true I think it's > rather a shame as I think it was to quite a large extent HIS influence on > "Bohemia" that made that album so extremely enjoyable. Steve Kilbey will definitely not have anything to do with the next Mae Moore album. He told me himself. :) From my interview with him last year: AH: Are you going to be doing any more work with Mae Moore or Margot Smith? SK: Margot, definitely, yeah, if Margot wants to do some more stuff, I would. I think Mae Moore and I had a bit of a falling-out towards the end over musical and personal differences, as they say. The relationship is terminated. But Margot, she's just brilliant. It's typical of Australia that they've got someone as brilliant as Margot, and everyone's ignored her. When we did those solo shows, I just stood in the audience and was just absolutely knocked into the middle of next week by how good she is. And she's just got everything that all those others, the so-called big female stars in Australia don't have - mystique, talent, an amazing voice, she writes brilliant songs... she's just fantastic. But that's all the recipes to not do well in Australia. Margot, by the way, has already worked on some songs with Steve for her next album. > It seems to me that Happy could benefit greatly from working with somebody > like Steve Kilbey to give her albums a great sound to go with the great > songs and great vocal performances she's already got. For me at least, the > Kilbey/Happy combination would have tremendous appeal. Does anybody know > if he has been exposed to any of Happy's music? I could expose him to it via Margot... the thing is, Kilbey's production would rub off on the sound of anything he did with Happy, it always does - even though he insists that he doesn't colour the sound of music he produces. Now, I happen to like the sound that Kilbey comes up with, but whether it'd go down well with Happy is another thing altogether. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us (Bradley N. Hutchinson) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 95 12:23:41 EST Subject: a departure--I often dream of trains Just a quick note--someone has been looking for Robyn Hitchcock's _I often dream of trains_ and it is being re-released. It's available through Noteworthy music 1-800-648-7972. I couldn't remember who has been listing this cd in the ecto ads thing--sorry for list posting. brad - -- bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #4 ************************ ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu