Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #776 ecto, Number 776 Thursday, 30 September 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: attrition Re: Car-rying capacity redux Music, Sir Vey! Forthcoming visit to Madrid Golden Palominos Survey Re: a survey, a survey, let's have a survey! The definitive naked car story All Attriter Re: Peel Sessions Re: Speaking English around the globe Re: why sing in english??! Re: All Attriter Penelope Houston tour dates Survey ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 07:38:16 -0400 From: Mike Matthews Subject: Re: attrition seanympf sez: >That is peculiar. Especially since the on-line dictionary says: > >at.tri.tion >(*-'trish-*n) >Etymology: L i[attrition-], i[attritio], fr. i[attritus], pp. > of i[atterere] to rub against, fr. i[ad-] + i[terere] > to rub -- more at THROW >Etymology: ME i[attricioun], fr. (assumed) ML i[attrition-], [italic > attritio], fr. L >1) n, sorrow for one's sins that arises from a motive other than that > of the love of God >2) n, the act of rubbing together: FRICTION; i[also]: > the act of wearing or grinding down by friction >3) n, the act of weakening or exhausting by constant harassment or > abuse > -- at.tri.tion.al, aj >(-'trish-n*l, -'trish-*n-[sup *]l) > >:) >-seanympf Forgot one: 4: a reduction in numbers usu. as a result of resignation, retirement, or death And, of course, the Thesaurus: Thesaurus: attrition n syn PENITENCE, contriteness, contrition, penance, penitency, remorse, remorsefulness, repentance, rue, ruth (HA! Beat ya to it, Uli!) Mike ======================================================================== From: moorsa@rpi.edu Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 10:22:31 EDT Subject: Re: Car-rying capacity redux One flaw in Mitch's thought about using the Grand Am of nudity as a predictor of the Ectocapacity of a Cavalier might be that Ectophiles might be less willing to take tothe road in the altogether than the fabled members of the sect from east Texas. But can you *imagine* stuffing 20 naked people into a hot little Pontiac and then *driving* anywhere in the Texas/Louisiana summer heat? Truth really is stranger than fiction. alanm ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 09:28:59 CDT From: lusky@sol.hc.ti.com (Steve Lusky) From: snpf@ugcs.caltech.edu (The Duchess Of York) Neal r. Copperman says: Big upper level manager in a talk today said they were trying to "stimulate the attrition" and were hoping that more people would choose to atrit. Don't those people talk peculiarly? That is peculiar. Especially since the on-line dictionary says: at.tri.tion ... (no sense of the word which seems to apply to its usage above.) Webster's II New Riverside University Dictionary includes: 3. A gradual, natural reduction in membership or personnel, as through retirement. For this sense the use of the word attrition is clear and appropriate. The meaning of words may change over time, as this word attests. Or, if change is difficult to accept, perhaps you're in the wrong century? :-) Ciao, Steve ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 11:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Mary_C._Tabasko@transarc.com Subject: Music, Sir Vey! Dear Sir Vey: Since you asked (and I never have 'fessed by shoe size), here goes: Back from the ancient days of high school: * Flute * Oboe * English Horn * Bass Drum (not much call for oboes in a marching band!) * Piano Since then: * Recorder(s) * Pennywhistle(s) * Assorted other similar noise-makers * Accordicat (yeeeoowwwwl! :) * Vox (mostly accompanied by vacuum cleaner or accordicat) Wish-list: * Become more than a dilletante on any of the above * Something stringed (the mandolin and lute have always intrigued me) * Always wanted to try a bass flute Thank you. -- Kate ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 16:03:34 CET From: Ilka Heber Subject: Forthcoming visit to Madrid Hi there, this is totally unrelated to music of any kind! = ) Just a question: I am going on a business trip to Madrid from October 20 to October 26. I was wondering whether there is anybody from Spain on this list who would fancy meeting up? If you're interested, please write to me directly. Thanks, bye and *hugs* to everybody out there (I hope you don't mind, Vickie!!! = ) ) Ilka = ) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 21:18:44 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Golden Palominos Anyone heard of the Golden Palominos? My magazine just threw a copy of their new album "This Is How It Feels" at me, saying that I'd like it because it had the "sort of cover photo that Anthony likes". Hmmm. Anyway, I'm just playing it now, and it is quite good - sounds like Tanya Donelly singing for This Mortal Coil but with Gary Clail doing the music... :-) And yes, the cover photo *is* rather nice... :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== From: bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Michael Bowman) Subject: Survey Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 8:15:35 PDT Name: Michael Bowman Instruments: Piano Trumpet Both from junior high and high school days. I still play the piano occasionally (in fact I own one, but it's at my parents since I've never lived in an apartment that could take the weight of a piano and all my books, nor would I have room for it). bowman@lib.pdx.edu ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 21:27:39 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: a survey, a survey, let's have a survey! In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <9309291441.AA03160@ecto.ca.sandia.gov>, you wrote: > we've obviously got quite a few musically attuned people here, and people > keep mentioning different little odd's n' sod's; so why don't we cultivate > a spiffy list of music skills (who knows, maybe if Happy needs a back up band > :) ). That'd be kind of fun! Anyway; let's build a list. And since I was > crazy enough to think of it; i'll start it out and keep track of it until > someone else decides to take over. Post your musical talent to ecto, or > ship it off to me at tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov. > > ideal format: > name > instrument list Alright, why not. Although mine's going to be an instrument-and-skills one! Anthony Horan Intensively trained recording engineer, preferring to work with electronic instruments; mixing and creative editing a specialty. Have worked in studios from 8 track to 24 track; I have experience with (and prefer) digital recording exquipment. Oh, and I also program drum machines and other rhythmic sequencers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 09:37:42 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: The definitive naked car story This is the actual article that was sent to me: Car Wreck Reveals 20 Naked Church People Vinton, LA (AP) - The devil made them do it. That's what some of the 20 naked Petecostals pcked cheek-to-cheek into a car told police after the vhicle was chased intoa a tree. Officers watched in disbelief as the group piled out of the 1990 Pontiac Grand Am after the wreck and began religious chants. The passengers, relatives from Floydada, Texas, said they were en route to a religious retreat somewhere in Florida, Police Chief Dennis Drouillard said. He said some passengers said they sripped because the clothes were possessed by the devil. "Didn't have a stitch of chothes on, I mean, no socks, no underwear, no nothin'," he sai. "They didn't say much. They mainly got out and chanted religious sayings." The police stopped the car Thursday after getting a report that the car contained naked people. The driver got out wearing onlya a towel, but then jumped back in, sped off, and crashed into a tree, police said. The car was totaled, but the injureies all were minor, Drouillard said. "I guess when you'r packed in that tight, there's not much room to move around," he said. A police offeicer gave the passengers clothes at the scene. Drouillard said the group ranged in age from 1 to 65 and included three pregnant women and five children, who were stuffed into the trunk. Driver Sammy Rodriguez and his brother, Danny, said they were Pentecostal preachers, Drouillard said. Floydada Police Chief James Hale said he had been looking for the Rodriguez family since Tuesday, when relatives reported them missing. "They made statements like the devil was after them and Floydada was going to be destroyed if they stayed here," Hale said. Floydadda is a small Texas Panhandle town about 550 miles from Vinton. The family left Floydada in five or six cars, abandoning them and belongings on the way. Sammy Rodriguez, 29, was held pending an investigation into reckless endangerment of the children. He was booked on suspicion of reckless driving, flight from and officer, and other offenses. The 19 others were released and spent the night in a shelter. And there you have it. Is Ecto going to rise to the challenge and beat this record, or will we conceed to the team of Naked Church People? Neal ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 10:00:49 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: All Attriter OK, so I knew what attrition meant, but I really liked seanympf's definitions with the only applicable one missing. What we need in this office is greater friction, no, I meant we should stimulate the sorrow for our sins, that's it. Actually, I just liked the phrase "stimulate the attrition". While most people are trying to, say, "Stimulate the economy" or stimulate other things that perhaps we shouldn't go into, we are trying to stimulate the attrition. Anthony - The Golden Palimonos, off the top of my scatterbrained head, are the brainchild of drummer Anton Fier. They are a lose collective of musicians, probably with him being the only constant, and have released albums since sometime in the late '80s. First album (Blast of Silence?) has Michael STipe on vocals for 3 songs (Moby Grape's Omaha, Boy(Go), and something with Train in the title). Also has Johnny maybe still Rotten at the time, since he lets out a nice belch on The Animal Speeks. Also featured prominantly on later releases are Nicky Skopelatilis, Syd Straw (who I think got her start in the Paliminos), Richard Thompson, and Bob Mould. I have another called Visions of Excess (I may have these two titles reversed), with a good Bob Mould led song and another good Michael Stipe song. This one has a female vocalist on many tracks, whose name I can't remember. She occasionally rose to haunting, but was mostly kind of unexciting. If no one else fills in more details by the end of the day, I'll glance at my discs tonight. I know they have released a CD retrospective within the last year (in the US), and don't know anything about what you have, accept that Meredith played it on her show (See, people really do read those set lists!). Neal ======================================================================== From: Tim "Cook." x297 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 18:17:43 BST Subject: Re: Peel Sessions Named after John Peel (Radio 1 DJ). Sessions by bands known and unknown recorded at the BBC studios in London. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 01:11 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Speaking English around the globe > All this discussion of English spoken around the world has brought back > memories of our trip to Amsterdam in the mid 80's. We were pleasantly > surprized, and embarrassed, to discover that all the locals seemed to > speak better English than we did. :-) May b that's b cause u tend 2 cut ur words short. Like X-Mas. Or special FX. Or... There's a saying here that the average American doesn't know words that have more than five letters. Again, no offence intended, I just cite others. And don't forget that while German isn't THAT far away from English, Dutch is more or less inbetween these two languages. Uli ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 00:42 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: why sing in english??! > 3] in my travels, I've spoken to songwriters who speak as a native > language either German or Dutch, and they've said that "English flows > nicer; poetry sounds smoother, songs sound better when sung in English." > (I've never heard a francophone say this, I should mention). And Italian sounds almost like music when it's just spoken. And yes, German is not sounding 'nice'. A friend of mine once said that Dutch (no offence intended at all) is even a lot harder than German: he once got a cat [now this is the ObMailinglistPurpose ;-)] from Holland and said this cat doen't recognice it when you scold her. Dutch spoken normally sounds like scolding... Uli ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:25:13 -0500 From: gmcdonald@zdi.ziff.com (glenn mcdonald) Subject: Re: All Attriter >First album (Blast of Silence?) has Michael STipe on vocals for 3 >songs (Moby Grape's Omaha, Boy(Go), and something with Train in the >title). Also has Johnny maybe still Rotten at the time, since he >lets out a nice belch on The Animal Speeks. Actually, the Golden Palominos album with the songs you're referring to is _Visions of Excess_, which I believe is their second. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 11:34:37 -0700 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Penelope Houston tour dates More tour dates for Penelope Houston and her band: Oct 2 - at Palms in Davis, California Oct 8 - at the Starry Plough in Berkeley Oct 14 - at the Bottom of the Hill in San Francisco The Penelope Houston 'Whole World Tour' (speaking English over there :) Germany: Oct 22 - Bielefeld Oct 23 - Essen Oct 24 - Frankfurt Oct 25 - Karlsruhe Austria: Oct 27 - Linz Oct 28 - Vienna Oct 29 - Salzburg Germany: Oct 30 - Passau Oct 31 - Lindau Nov 1 - Konstanz Nov 2 - Ingolstadt Nov 3 - Munich Switzerland: Nov 4 - Zurich Nov 5 - Fribourg Germany: Nov 6 - Schorndorf Nov 7 - Marberg Nov 8 - Nurnberg Nov 9 - Berlin Nov 10 - Wolfenbuttel Nov 11 - Koln Nov 12 - Dresden Nov 13 - Hannover Nov 16 - Hamburg Denmark: Nov 17 - Copenhagen Germany: Nov 18 - Kiel Nov 20 - Krefeld Nov 22 - Bonn Nov 23 - Regensburg (whew! please forgive any typographical errors!) -- Michael Peskura -- University of Washington -- Seattle USA ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:41:48 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Warren Subject: Survey Name: Sam Warren Instrument(s): I've played flute for about 22 years now. I play a real mean "Stairway to Heaven"! I also used to play piccolo (in marching band), but had to sell it during the lean years. I can pick out melody on the piano, but I'm not very good with chords. ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)