Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #746 ecto, Number 746 Friday, 10 September 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Da doos Hair Re: .sigs Re: ecto #743 Chicago Re: The Other Ones, Eurogliders Calling all NJ ectophiles Re: My Own Humble Opinion Heidi Berry HaPpY Birthday CITW/ETM Today's your birthday friend.... ======================================================================== From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Da doos Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 7:35:45 CDT Well, as far as this haircut thread goes, I have been loyal to my trademark wedgecut now for about 4 years. The back of my neck and sides are shaved short, while the hair on top is normal length. (The proverbial "soup-bowl" cut, done with a small bowl!) Works for me! -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Date: 10 Sep 1993 08:35:49 -0400 (EDT) From: I wanna be a Mongol Subject: Hair I don't know. I think *some* people can look fine without hair, but a lot of people (myself included; I had it buzzed for a while in high school) just look silly. Unfortunately the only way to tell really is to shave one's head. No argument with the "beauty of the human head shape" but at least in my case, the shape was sort of incompatible with my actual features. I like all kinds of hair. I'm nonpartisan. :) Maura who continues to press the bounds of ambiguity by having hair that is neither long nor short nor missing. :) ======================================================================== From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: .sigs Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 7:57:40 CDT Philip doodled: > .________________________________________. ._______. > | __ _ ___ _ __ __ |\________/| | > | / / | / \ | \ | | | | / | _ _ | _O_ | > | \_ | | | | |__/ |__| | | \_ | / \/ \ | |/ | > | / | | | | | | | | | / | \ / | |\ | > | \__ \_ | \_/ | | | | |__ \__ | \ / | T W W | > |________________________________________| \/ |_______| > \ Philip Sainty: psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz \________/ / > `-------------------------------------------------------' I must say that this is one *way cool* (tm) .sig! I feel this strange urge to make a tumbling 'ECTOPHILE' one now... Go figure... -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: ecto #743 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 14:17:41 BST On Thu, 9 Sep 1993 at 17:31:34 -0700 (PDT) the butcher wrote: > As for haircuts, once again cute young straight boys are adopting what has > been a queerboy trend for some time now, which is to cut one's hair > *really* short or to shave it off. Very sexy, including my own do. > > Snip or fall behind! > > - Bo I'll stay behind, thank you very much. Bo may know baseball, and Bo may know football, but what Bo "knows" about haircuts I'd rather forgo :-) Hairy & Unashamed! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 07:34:53 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Chicago Greetings, I can't believe anyone, even in Denmark, hasn't heard of Chicago (the group, not the city :) ). They first surfaced in 1969 as a jazz-rock group with a great horn section, a political bent to their lyrics, and a wide musical range. As will happen, their edge softened over the years, losing the politics, followed by the musical adventureness, down to their current incarnation as a solid uninteresting pop group. They are known for numbering rather than naming their albums (with one exception), and for consistently wonderful album covers. I find _Chicago I_ through _Chicago VII_ to be eminently worthwhile. The next few albums (up to _Chicago XI_) have their moments. After that forget it. They currently are on Chicago 23 or 24 (or 25 or 6 to 4? :) [inside joke for any other Chicago fans :) ]). At Jens' request, here are the lyrics (in English) for _Dialogue_. For the Danish, listen to the Nordic sampler (when it's ready -- I'm still waiting for my tape shipment :( ). _Dialogue_ by Robert Lamm Part I Terry: Are you optimistic 'bout the way things are going? Peter: No, I never ever think of it at all. Terry: Don't you ever worry when you see what's going down? Peter: No, I try to mind my business, that is, no business at all. Terry: When it's time to function as a feeling human being, will your Bachelor of Arts help you get by? Peter: I hope to study further, a few more years or so. I also hope to keep a steady high. Terry: Will you try to change things, use the power that you have, the power of a million new ideas? Peter: What is this power you speak of and this need for things to change? I always thought that everything was fine. Terry: Don't you feel repression just closing in around? Peter: No, the campus here is very, very free. Terry: Does it make you angry the way war is dragging on? Peter: Well, I hope the President knows what he's into. I don't know. Terry: Don't you ever see starvation in the city where you live, all the needless hunger, all the needless pain? Peter: I haven't been there lately, the country is so fine, but my neighbors don't seem hungry, 'cause they haven't got the time. Terry: Thank you for the talk, you know you really eased my mind. I was troubled by the shapes of things to come. Peter: Well, if you had my outlook, your feelings would be numb, you'd always think that everything was fine. Part II We can make it happen We can change the world now We can save the children We can make it better We can make it happen We can save the children We can make it happen Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: 10 Sep 1993 10:07:26 -0500 From: gmcdonald@zdi.ziff.com (glenn mcdonald) Subject: Re: The Other Ones, Eurogliders >Another band in a similar situation is the Eurogliders; I have their album >_This Island_, with some great songs, like "Heaven" and "Cold Comfort". >Grace Knight had a very interesting, slightly husky voice and I'd love to >hear more from her/them. I also really like _This Island_. They put out another album, called _Absolutely_, in 1986, which has almost _none_ of the appeal of the first one. I was very disappointed, and I haven't heard a thing about them since. Another very hard-to-find album that reminds me a lot of _This Island_ is _At the Feet of the Moon_, by the Parachute Club, so if you're spending any time pawing through the vinyl section of a used record store, keep an eye open for that. Not quite as dark as the Eurogliders, but more percussion, which makes for a decent trade-off in my opinion. glenn ======================================================================== From: mpower@jpmorgan.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 11:19:34 EDT Subject: Calling all NJ ectophiles Hi there, I've just moved to Brick N.J. (near point pleasant on the south jersey shore (Ocean County)) and I would like to take this opportunity to shamelessly plunder the resources of the ecto support net in getting myself re-oriented (or should that be re-orientated? dictionary anyone?) to the cool places to go, things to do, record shops, music shops to check out etc, and generally hang out/ stay in touch with like-minded (like-eared?) people. So then, please post or mail me with your sage advice, cryptic comments and fave activities in the pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happy-ness. Jessica & Footah - This means you :) Cheers! Marc Power mpower@jpmorgan.com (908) 262 9051 P.S. shouldn't that song go something like... falafel babaganoush chundarghhh! :) :) :) ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:54:00 EST Subject: Re: My Own Humble Opinion > On Fri, 10 Sep 93 at 3:39:48 EDT WretchAwry wrote: > > 4) Candle In The Wind > > > > I *LOVE* this version!!! I've loved it since I first heard it on the > > "Rocket Man" CD single. I could listen to it over and over and over > > ** THANK YOU VICKIE ** for posting your opinion of KaTe's "Candle in > the Wind". It's nice to know I'm not the only person in the world who > loves this performance. It's got a lot of stick, especially in > Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) Thank you both Steve and Vickie! I too loved Candle in the Wind and just couldn't understand why everyone was so hard on it! It stikes me that Gaffans spend more and more time creating higher and higher expectations for Kate music, and that they've simply forgotten how to just sit back and enjoy it! - Michael B. ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:34:22 EST Subject: Heidi Berry Someone may have already posted this and I missed it, but here goes! Heidi Berry will be appearing Live (and free) at HMV Harvard Square Cambridge, MA on September 15 at 4 pm. Just thought I'd pass that along! - Michael B. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 16:36:58 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthday Here's wishing a Very HAPPY Birthday to David Blank-Edelman on September 9th. Have a great day David Peave === Only in your eyes lies your soul ========================= Happy Rhodes === _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] Terry (Tel Boy) Partis | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) \_.-._( ''' With a smile and a song - I'm HaPpy Let me sleep awhile and dream of Avalon and the Beltane fires.................. ............................................our souls entwined for all eternity ======================================================================== Subject: CITW/ETM Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 12:27:26 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Michael B. wrote: >Thank you both Steve and Vickie! I too loved Candle in the Wind and >just couldn't understand why everyone was so hard on it! It stikes >me that Gaffans spend more and more time creating higher and higher >expectations for Kate music, and that they've simply forgotten how to >just sit back and enjoy it! Yeah. What he said. Count me in as a CITW-enjoyer (I wouldn't put it on my fave track list, but I really like her version...probably more than Rocketman). I think that's a really good assessment of the L-H attitude. And I'd have to say that I'd put meth into that group. I don't want to be lumped in to the "they'll uncritically adore anything she releases" category because I don't feel I fit there. Hell, I listen to Happy 2-3x more than I do KaTe! If I were to be in that adoring category for anyone, it would be the Hapster. But there are a number of HTR songs I don't care for ("Box H.A.P. is the classic example; the most recent is "Temporary and Eternal"--while I don't follow the rest of drewcifer's assessment of the album, I do feel that that song is weak.) Anyway. ETM is wonderfully fun. Who was it who said, in response to meth commenting that the remix was 7.5 minutes too long, that the song flows so nicely that you don't notice its length? I'd agree with that. The album cut doesn't "feel" like 5 minutes and the remix certainly doesn't feel like 9! I happen to like the Brazillian beat, but ETM feels a wee bit too close to Paul Simon's "The Obvious Child" (I think that's the track it reminds me of) from _The Rhythm of the Saints_. On a quick side tangent, RotS suffers from a lot of what KaTe's more recent work suffers from: it followed a quite simply perfect album. There is absolutely no fault on _Graceland_ and I really think it's one of the best 3 albums ever released (don't ask me to name the other two...they're always changing...but I doubt I'd give either of 'em to Happy. She gets a lot of "best song" but not best album...). If Paul's previous studio release had been anything but _Graceland_, _The Rhythm of the Saints_ would have seemed a hell of a lot better than it does. It's an amazing album and everytime I get around to putting it on, I'm enthralled. But it doesn't measure up to _Graceland_ and that initial disappointment the very first time you hear it just never quite fades out completely. So. I love ETM and the remix. Big Stripey Lie is, um, interesting. Like...was it meth?...I don't really like the electronic percussion (very noticeable at the beginning of the song) but I love the marimba. Am I wrong in thinking KaTe has never used a marimba before? (Hmmm...has she used *any* of that family of percussion instruments before?) The first time I heard BSL, my immediate thought was, "This ought to please the folks who've been waiting for another _The Dreaming_." The next day, looking through Ecto and L-H, I wasn't disappointed. Druk had already panned ETM and given high praise to BSL. meth did basically the same thing. I think it's good but not superb. I'm not sure whether I like it more than ETM or not. Great guitar--is that Jeff Beck? And, of course, CITW. I bought the Rocketman single way-back-when and loved it. I loaned it to my dad and he made me go out and buy him a copy as well. Obviously, that wasn't just to get "Rocketman." So go ahead and count in two more people who like KaTe's version. (BTW, Mike: Eat the Music is a domestic single. Cheap! Cheap! Buy one! I'll be looking for _RhodeSongs_ again later...should I pick one up for you if I, by the grace of One Of the Many Hers, find multiple copies?) Jeff ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: 10 Sep 93 06:59:16 Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* **** Holly Tominack *** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Holly Tominack Thu September 10 1970 Virgo Chris Williams Tue September 20 1960 Neon 3-D Computer-generated Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs Michael Blackmore Fri October 4 1963 Libra Tim Breitkreutz Wed October 7 1964 Libra Dan Riley Sun October 8 1961 Libra Neile Graham Wed October 8 1958 pen Quenby M. Chunco Tue October 8 1968 Crunchy Frog -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 12:58:54 -0400 From: Mike Matthews Subject: CITW/ETM Jeff Burka writes: >(BTW, Mike: Eat the Music is a domestic single. Cheap! Cheap! Buy one! >I'll be looking for _RhodeSongs_ again later...should I pick one up for you >if I, by the grace of One Of the Many Hers, find multiple copies?) Gee, I think I'll sit here on Ecto and say "no, don't get me a Rhodes Songs" if you find an extra one." OF COURSE GET ME ONE IF YOU CAN, YOU IDIOT! Sheesh. :-) >Jeff I wonder if the reverse alias mapping is actually going to work now. It worked before, then I found out that NIS, when started in the normal boot procedure, has this tendency to hang NeXTstep 3.1. So I've been trying to figure out how to get around this. I *think* I did, but the way this day's been going.... at least no one has complained about Equipoise playing on the stereo yet (they used to not like it much). Mike ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: Re: My Own Humble Opinion Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 13:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Forwarded message: > From MICHAELB@ksgrsch.harvard.edu Fri Sep 10 11:54:36 1993 > Message-Id: > From: "Michael Blackmore" > To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu (Ectophiles Worldwide) > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:54:00 EST > Subject: Re: My Own Humble Opinion > X-Pmrqc: 1 > Priority: normal > X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1a) > > > On Fri, 10 Sep 93 at 3:39:48 EDT WretchAwry wrote: > > > 4) Candle In The Wind > > > > > > I *LOVE* this version!!! I've loved it since I first heard it on the > > > "Rocket Man" CD single. I could listen to it over and over and over > > > > ** THANK YOU VICKIE ** for posting your opinion of KaTe's "Candle in > > the Wind". It's nice to know I'm not the only person in the world who > > loves this performance. It's got a lot of stick, especially in > > Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) > > Thank you both Steve and Vickie! I too loved Candle in the Wind and > just couldn't understand why everyone was so hard on it! It stikes > me that Gaffans spend more and more time creating higher and higher > expectations for Kate music, and that they've simply forgotten how to > just sit back and enjoy it! I wasn't going to make waves here, but I wanted to make it clear that I wasn't doing a knee-jerk hoity-toity response. I still didn't like "Candle In The Wind"...maybe I'm too used to Elton John's version, but I felt that Kate took all the soul and inflection right out of it, which was annoying because she usually puts that stuff *in*. I'm not a soul fan, but Kate's cove struck me as bland and without expression. I wish I could have enjoyed it, but I actually am embarrassed to listen to it with anyone else around, because it's just so *bad*. I had no idea Kate could slaughter songs this way...it's like watching an Olympic gymnast who suddenly can't walk a straight line. Heartbreaking! I'm sorry for not gushing with you all on this! I'm also sorry for being so negative. I just wanted to note that at least one Gaffan can't sit back and enjoy it at all, and *not* because he's built up expectations. This from anyone would have crushed me. HUGS to all, Drewcifer (who loves the rest of the single anyway) ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 13:52:30 EST Subject: Re: My Own Humble Opinion Drewcifer (who loves the rest of the single anyway) says: > because it's just so *bad*. I had no idea Kate could slaughter songs this > way...it's like watching an Olympic gymnast who suddenly can't walk a > straight line. Heartbreaking! I fully feel you have a right to an opinion, but just a little point, in the paragraph below you state that you haven't build up expectations, but if you read the paragraph above you very clear voice expectations. Just something to thing about. > negative. I just wanted to note that at least one Gaffan can't sit back and > enjoy it at all, and *not* because he's built up expectations. This from > anyone would have crushed me. - Michael B. ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: CITW/ETM Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 14:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Forwarded message: > From jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Fri Sep 10 13:07:55 1993 > Message-Id: <9309101627.AA02030@syrinx.umd.edu> > To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu > Subject: CITW/ETM > In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Sep 93 09:54:00 EST." > > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 12:27:26 -0400 > From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu > X-Mts: smtp > I think that's a really good assessment of the L-H attitude. And I'd have > to say that I'd put meth into that group. Well, I can't truthfully say that I don't have high expectations for a Kate product, but I don't slag anything that doesn't live up to my expectations. I merely change the way I look at it. Let's not accuse those who don't like everything we like of snobbery, OK? :) > I don't want to be lumped in to the "they'll uncritically adore anything > she releases" category because I don't feel I fit there. Hell, I listen to > Happy 2-3x more than I do KaTe! If I were to be in that adoring category > for anyone, it would be the Hapster. But there are a number of HTR songs I > don't care for ("Box H.A.P. is the classic example; the most recent is > "Temporary and Eternal"--while I don't follow the rest of drewcifer's > assessment of the album, I do feel that that song is weak.) I'm sorry, but what's the T in HTR? I've never figured that out. > ETM is wonderfully fun. Who was it who said, in response to meth > commenting that the remix was 7.5 minutes too long, that the song flows so > nicely that you don't notice its length? I'd agree with that. The album That was me, ironically. :) > cut doesn't "feel" like 5 minutes and the remix certainly doesn't feel like > 9! I happen to like the Brazillian beat, but ETM feels a wee bit too close > to Paul Simon's "The Obvious Child" (I think that's the track it reminds me > of) from _The Rhythm of the Saints_. I do so adore "The Obvious Child". I quite like that album, even though I have to be in a certain mood not to get bogged down on the weaker tracks. > The first time I heard BSL, my immediate thought was, "This ought to please > the folks who've been waiting for another _The Dreaming_." The next day, > looking through Ecto and L-H, I wasn't disappointed. Druk had already > panned ETM and given high praise to BSL. meth did basically the same > thing. I think it's good but not superb. I'm not sure whether I like it > more than ETM or not. Great guitar--is that Jeff Beck? Neither is as singalong as I like. I don't mean bubblegum-singalong, but strong melodically. I enjoy them nevertheless. Sorry for the traffic I seem to be generating, folks. I'll try to shut up now. Drewcifer ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: Re: My Own Humble Opinion Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 14:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Forwarded message: > From MICHAELB@ksgrsch.harvard.edu Fri Sep 10 14:39:16 1993 > Message-Id: > From: "Michael Blackmore" > To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 13:52:30 EST > Subject: Re: My Own Humble Opinion > X-Pmrqc: 1 > Priority: normal > X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1a) > > Drewcifer (who loves the rest of the single anyway) says: > > > because it's just so *bad*. I had no idea Kate could slaughter songs this > > way...it's like watching an Olympic gymnast who suddenly can't walk a > > straight line. Heartbreaking! > > I fully feel you have a right to an opinion, but just a little point, > in the paragraph below you state that you haven't build up > expectations, but if you read the paragraph above you very clear > voice expectations. Just something to thing about. > > > negative. I just wanted to note that at least one Gaffan can't sit back and > > enjoy it at all, and *not* because he's built up expectations. This from > > anyone would have crushed me. Not quite accurate, Michael dear. 1) The quoted text beginning with the word "negative" states NOT that I haven't built up expectations, but merely that my reasons for disliking the song are not entirely due to those expectations. 2) The expectation voiced in the quoted text beginning "because" is NOT an expectation of miracles, but an expectation that someone as clearly talented as Kate would know when she can bring something to a song and when she will be unable to do it justice. In my opinion, she did not do the song justice, and should have left well enough alone, or should have rethought her approach. This is not the Goddess-idol expectation to which you refer; it's merely the same expectation I have from every competent musician. Drewcifer ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)