Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #331 ecto, Number 331 Tuesday, 15 September 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Ladyslipper? Re: ...pull your feelings out Fluff (tm) WXPN Benefit on Thursday re: your review of digging.... Geesh, it's been awhile! 99.9 Fo Re: Pamela Golden Re: Geesh, it's been awhile! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 00:46:49 EDT From: barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu Hi all Hey has anyone sighted greg these last few days? Barry ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 1:33:16 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Ladyslipper? I have looked and looked and I cannot find my Ladyslipper catalog. Does anyone have one handy so that Barry will quit feeling all paranoid that everyone's ignoring him? :-) Thanks! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:48:09 +0800 From: Ken Taylor Subject: Re: ...pull your feelings out > When Happy sings "Reach into your chest/and pull your feelings out", > who else here gets an impression of small, kicking living creatures > being drawn from one's chest? There's something terrific about the > way she sings the word "feelings"... gives me shivers. Actually, I had more of an impression of that feeling you get in your chest after a big fright.. A sort of adrenaline rush.. Certainly a POWERFUL lyric.. Ken ps: How's the household terror going, Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:47:44 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Fluff (tm) Greetings, Well, another major hurricane hit the United States this weekend. Amazingly, the location and even the timing of this hurricane were predicted in a very odd way a couple of weeks ago. The US National Weather Service has three hurricane centers, in Guam, near Miami, and in Honolulu. You all probably heard about Hurricane Andrew's stomping all over the Miami area. It caused the evacuation of the National Hurricane Center and damaged quite a bit of their equipment. Less well known, a big hurricane ran over Guam about a week before Andrew, also causing similar problems with their National Hurricane Center. So after Andrew, a number of hurricane forecasters joked that it was obvious that a hurricane would soon hit Hawaii, since it was the only unscathed National Hurricane Center left. Well, Hurricane Iniki (certainly a much better name than Hurricane Bob of a couple of years ago :P ) complied, though it sounds like the National Hurricane Center there escaped much of the damage the centers in Guam and Miami suffered. Thank God there are no more National Hurricane Centers left to be hit this year. More locally, the tree leaves in Fort Collins are turning colors and even falling, a few weeks earlier than usual. It's an unwanted reminder that the first snow of the season could fall any time. I've already been snowed on in the mountains. Summer is way too short and winter way too long here. Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 11:20:03 EDT From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) Subject: WXPN Benefit on Thursday Hi All! I'm currently still trying to catch up with digests and work after getting back from England last week. When I do I shall get round to posting something about the various interesting things I picked and saw there. In the mean time: I should have a spare ticket for the WXPN benefit at the Mann music center in Philly this Thursday. (Happy Rhodes, 10,000 Maniacs and Shawn Colvin will be amongst those playing in case anyone doesn't know). I wondered if anyone on this list wants it. Also if there's anyone on the list who's coming to Philadelphia for the concert and needs somewhere to sleep I can offer floor space. -Anthony ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 12:10:13 EDT From: barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu If anyone has sent me mail the last few days, could you resend it, somehow all my mail from last few days just disappeared. Barry ======================================================================== Subject: re: your review of digging.... Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 9:34:52 PDT From: "Gary Nichols" > >310 > GOD!!!!!!! This had me pulling out my hair for a while!!!!!! It was like "Hithiker's Guide to the Galaxy"!!! I thought you had given me an answer to which I had forgotten the question!!!! (A little different. They never knew the question in 'Hitchhikers...'.) gary ======================================================================== Date: 14-SEP-1992 21:38:27.26 From: Valerie Nozick Subject: Geesh, it's been awhile! i log on and my silly computer tells me that i haven't logged on in 9 days. sheesh! so i suppose i'll b playing catch up tonight. funny what happens when one gets caught up in life. (warning: i only got messages from 9/4 and possibly 9/5 before my computer blew up, so bear with me) gosh it's good to see ecto again! seems like i hadn't left, though, since thew first message i saw upon logging on was mitch talking about cats. no comment. i picked up the suzanne vega disk (why did she have to release it last _tuesday_? i was up all night tuesday and most of wednesday preparing for clinton's atlanta trip, so i couldn't get to the record store til thursday. you can guess what the first thing i did after waking up thurs. was.) is anyone else disappointed by the artwork? in the past she has given us some very interesting stuff, but this time, the sleeve felt like pseudo-new york artsy rather than the real thing. and i _hate_ how it folds out. yes, it's interesting to do something different, suzanne, but making a sleeve fold out the long way is not an exciting way of achieving your goal. the only real part i like about it is the picture of her dressed up as a bar girl. nice to see her in a sexpot type of pose, since suzanne has never been the sexy type. is it intentionally supposed to be similar to the madonna photo session of a few years ago? hmm...anyone ask her about this? :-) as for the music on the album, i'm not overly impressed so far. i must admit to having listened to only about half the album (hey, i've been busy!). what i've heard ranges from good to bad (on the suzanne vega scale, not on the general music scale). i suspect it'll have to grow on me, a la days of open hand. the peter gabriel song struck me as really good. perhaps not great, but i certainly would get the album! of course, i saw it along with the video for the first time, so i'm definitely being influenced by that. btw, i've seen the disk with the suzanne vega remixes on it in new brunswick (actually in the town next to it...was it east brunswick? hmm..don't recall) i would have bought it if it weren't for that copy of _y kant tori read_ sitting nearby for $2. so it goes... at tower the other day (when i picked up the sv) i noticed on the new release board a new album due out by a group named 'del canto' sometime next month. is this a misspelling? they just came out with a new one, though! ron, i sympathize with your efforts to get tori to sing wuthering heights. i tried to get natalie merchant (from 10,000 maniacs) to sing it in concert, too. same response, except you didn't have a friend rushing to cover your mouth as you yelled it out. (thanks, by the way, meredith) :-) one last thing. i was fortunate enough to meet bill clinton the other day, and even though this isn't a political newsgroup, i just wanted to mention that he was a great listener and struck me as being very intelligent. i was tempted to give him a copy of warpaint, but didn't bring it with me. but he should be passing through georgia again soon (they all seem to be here, dem. and rep.), so i'll try it then. :-) maybe they could play one of her songs as backup to a speech f his...maybe words weren't made for cowards behind him speaking about his vietnam record? :-) well, i promise not to make it 9 days before i next give ecto my salutations. good evening to all and to all a good evening. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Valerie Nozick "shit, it's hot here!" vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu --Sarah McLachlan (while in Atlanta) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ======================================================================== Subject: 99.9 Fo Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 23:39:30 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu I picked up the new Suzanne Vega today (bad jeff! naughty jeff! mind your credit card bills!) and so far I, like Angelos, love it. Of course, I vaguely remember really liking _Days of Open Hand_ at first too, and I barely listen to that now (though I still really love a couple of tracks on it, most notably, "Tired of Sleeping" (is that the right title?) and "Fifty-Fifty Chance"). Unlike Valerie, who's owned the new SV for several days and only listened to half of it, I've listened to it 3 times through already. It's got a lot of neat textures on it, and yet at the same time there are a couple of songs that belong on her eponymous album! Also unlike Valerie, I like the artwork, though I'm not crazy about the way it folds. On the other hand, the "Days of Open Hand" liner notes are so damned thick that I can't get 'em in or out of the jewel case. I have the same problem with the _Carl Stalling Project_ liner notes. Vickie--in case you didn't know, Jerry Marotta plays drums on this album. Am I the only who thinks that "Blood Makes Noise" is about a person finding out that they have AIDS? (and not wanting to hear what the doctor is telling them...) "Blood makes noise And I can't really hear you In the thickening of fear I think that you might want to know the details and the facts But there's something in my blood denies the memory of the acts..." Very, very cool, and currently my favorite song on the album. I also really like "In Liverpool," which is apparently the first UK single--I've seen the import single, which is backed with live versions of "Luka," "Some Journey," and "The Queen and the Soldier." I wanted to get it, but it seemed far more prudent to spend the money on the actual album than an expensive import single. Uncool: despite 12 songs, the album is only ~38 minutes (almost as short as _Suzanne Vega_) Cool: the jewel case has a clear tray, which I've never seen before. It looks really odd. Will _99.9 Farenheit Degrees_ stick with me better than _Days of Open Hand_? I dunno--but for now I'm definitely recommending it. obHappy: I bought the album at the only local store that carries Happy's stuff. Whilst there (first time I've been in since I bought _Ecto_), I checked their supply. Someone's been buying! They had in stock one copy each of _Warpaint_ and _Rearmament_. Last time I was there, they also had one copy each of Volumes I and II, and another copy or two of _Warpaint_, so I know at least 3 CDs have been sold! Yea! Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 23:57:54 BST From: steiner@bakerst.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Pamela Golden ] i picked up pamela golden's _happens all the time_ in an used cd shop over ] the weekend and am listening to it for a second time even as i type. it's ] rather nice too. mellow, melodic, light pop really. a few songs i really ] like and the rest is also good. one thumb up out of two on the woj scale. ] i should note that the two songs that grab me the most also feature tony ] levin on bass and jerry narotta on drums. hmmm. It also helps that Larry Fast (Synergy, etc) is on two of those tracks. ds Dave Steiner arpa: Steiner@BakerSt.Rutgers.Edu or Steiner@Rutgers.Edu uucp: ...{backbone site}!rutgers!bakerst.rutgers.edu!steiner ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 07:44:41 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Fluff (tm) Greetings, Sometimes questions get stuck in my mind, sitting in the back nagging me until I can answer them. One of those was raised in Ecto a long, long time ago, maybe before the majority of today's Ectophiles were on this list. It goes all the way back to the early days of constructing the birthday list. Klaus made a contribution by adding the days of the week for everyone's birthday. Vickie unsuccessfully tried to remember the words to the nursery rhyme that starts with "Monday's child ..." to go along with it. I had seen them a number of times over the years, and felt I could dig them up quickly. However, I couldn't, but the question nagged me at a low level ever since. Well, I finally succeeded over a month ago, finding the answer in the most amazing place, on the back of a T-shirt of a fellow backpacker deep in the wilderness of Wyoming, over twenty miles from the nearest road, during our lunch break on Day Eight. I quickly grabbed my pen and pad and sat behind her, scribbling the words down, hoping no one else noticed. Of course, someone did, and I completely failed to get the explanation across, as expected, as usual when it comes to trying to describe Ecto. Anyway, I bring these words out of the deep wilderness to you: Monday's child is fair of face Tuesday's child is full of grace Wednesday's child is loving and giving Thursday's child works hard for a living Friday's child is full of woe Saturday's child has far to go But the child that's born on the Sabbath day Is blithe and bonny and good and gay (The word "gay" certainly has changed meaning over the years!) Now let's see, which one do I fall under? Nah, that can't be right! :) Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Geesh, it's been awhile! Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 7:04:57 PDT From: "Gary Nichols" Valerie Nozick writes:> >one last thing. i was fortunate enough to meet bill clinton the other day, and >even though this isn't a political newsgroup, i just wanted to mention that he >was a great listener and struck me as being very intelligent. i was tempted to >give him a copy of warpaint, but didn't bring it with me. but he should be >passing through georgia again soon (they all seem to be here, dem. and rep.), >so i'll try it then. :-) maybe they could play one of her songs as backup to >a speech of his..maybe words weren't made for cowards behind him speaking about >his vietnam record? :-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This would be something to see!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Maybe just a banner with the words on it hung behind him!!! ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: 99.9 Fo Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 11:39:03 EDT I can't resist commenting on a couple of things Valerie and Jeff posted about this album. Let me start with Valerie's comments: >is anyone else disappointed by the artwork? in the past she has given us some >very interesting stuff, but this time, the sleeve felt like pseudo-new york >artsy rather than the real thing. and i _hate_ how it folds out. Come on Valerie, I *love* the artwork. I love the computer processing on the cover photo, which as I was saying to Klaus and Claudia reminds me of the color that Happy's hair has on my messed-up-Happy.Gif's poster. The fonts are really cool, and the pix too. I don't like the way it folds out either, but that's not a big complaint. Jeff says: >Am I the only who thinks that "Blood Makes Noise" is about a person finding >out that they have AIDS? Or any other serious sickness... :) Yes, I thought that too. Now for a real complaint: it should be 99.9 ^o F. But that wouldn't rhyme, now would it? In other news, I am sore from kicking myself after I found out that Peter Gabriel was literally across the street from my office visiting the MIT media lab, probably in connection to the Real World theme park, last Friday. He might be back someday, and I will make sure I am there to meet him! [Assuming I am *still* here :) ] gotta go, Angelos ======================================================================== Subject: Re: 99.9 F^o Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12:46:44 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu I said: >>Am I the only who thinks that "Blood Makes Noise" is about a person finding >>out that they have AIDS? Angelos responds: >Or any other serious sickness... :) Yes, I thought that too. The reason I specifically thought "AIDS" was the line "But there's something in my blood Denies the memory of the acts"... >Now for a real complaint: it should be 99.9 ^o F. But that wouldn't rhyme, now >would it? Well, in regular usage, you're right, but gramatically speaking, "Celsius" and "Farenheit" might be seen as adjectives used to describe the type of degrees, so there's nothing wrong with it. And I love the way SV sings it... Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:07:19 EDT From: David N. Blank-Edelman Subject: 99.9 Fo > In other news, I am sore from kicking myself after I found out that > Peter Gabriel was literally across the street from my office > visiting the MIT media lab, probably in connection to the Real World > theme park, last Friday. He might be back someday, and I will make > sure I am there to meet him! [Assuming I am *still* here :) ] Don't be sore. Yes he was here, but not for Real World. He came to visit one of the profs here and we were specifically told to keep this low key. He may be back, but I am sure that it will be under the same sort of professional setting with non-Media Lab visitors sorely discouraged. Sorry to be a party-pooper. Peace, dNb ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)