Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #324 ecto, Number 324 Wednesday, 2 September 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Yes, Happy Birthday! [wrp@ivy.unisys.com (Bill Pringle): Re: ecto #323] Suzanne Vega Please Subscribe Thanks :) Re: Thanks :) Fragments of stoff Re: ecto #323 Re: The Twin Peaks Movie RE: Twin Peaks Tori's live sound (article) Happy! vagabond report #0 Fluff (tm) Trees and tapes hmmm... ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 11:11:44 -0700 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Yes, Happy Birthday! Cheers to Meredith on her birthday ... ! I don't know if I ever thanked you for sharing The Last Champagne Jam with us ... so, THANK YOU! Mp ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:58:55 PDT From: barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu I forget if anyone has mentioned this already, but there's a nice article on Tori Amos in KEYBOARD magazine Thought I'd just mention it Barry ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:53:02 EDT From: jessica Subject: [wrp@ivy.unisys.com (Bill Pringle): Re: ecto #323] I tihnk that was meant to go to ecto.. jessica --------------- Received: from gvls1.GVL.Unisys.COM by hardees.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02544; Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:16:37 EDT Received: from ivy.Unisys.COM (ss1.IVY.Unisys.COM) by gvls1.GVL.Unisys.COM (4.1/mls/3.3.v2) id AA01725; Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:16:33 EDT Received: from psl1.ivybrook by ivy.Unisys.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28838; Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:17:12 EDT From: wrp@ivy.unisys.com (Bill Pringle) Message-Id: <9209011817.AA28838@ivy.Unisys.COM> Subject: Re: ecto #323 To: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:17:10 EDT In-Reply-To: <9209011722.AA21925@maurolycus.rutgers.edu>; from "jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu" at Sep 1, 92 1:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Message from jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu included: > The review immediately following is of "The Best of Mountain Stage, Vol. 3 Live > " on Blue Plate. It has acoustic songs by Sarah McLachlan, the Cowboy Junkies, > Mary-Chapin Carpenter, Warren Zevon, Marshall Crenshaw, et al. It is also view > ed with favor by the critic. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and a song by Bruce Cockburn! It is a great album. Of course, anything with Bruce Cockburn *has* to be a great album :^) (Oh, oh ... I feel a plug coming on ...) To join the Bruce Cockburn mailing list, send mail to humans-request@zen.corp.sun.com we now return you to your regularly scheduled ecto fix :^) Various|Best of Mountain Stage Vol 3|1992|Blue Plate|BPM 003CD Border Crossing||Timbuk3 Ghantan Amerika||Chilton, Alex Superman Song||Crash Test Dummies Never Had it So Bad||Carpenter, Mary-Chapin Waiting for a Miracle||Cockburn, Bruce Soy de San Louis||Texas Tornados Misguided Angel||Cowboy Junkies Lewis||Yo La Tengo Shelter||McLachlan, Sarah Renegade||Zevon, Warren Cynical Girl||Crenshaw, Marshall Romance is a Slow Dance||Fabulous Twister Sister, The Tear Stained Letter||Sonnier, Jo-El -- ==================================================================== Bill Pringle wrp@ivy.unisys.com -OR- ...!uunet!mimsy!widener!gvls1!wrp%ivy ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 16:39:17 EDT From: ksilver@startek.com (Keith Silver) Subject: Suzanne Vega Count me among the SV faithfull. I wonder if her recent technosizing w.r.t. "Blood Makes Noise" is a reaction to the fact that the rap/sampled remix of "Tom's Diner" seemed to have more commercial success than the original? It's got to hurt when somebody takes one of your songs, spends two hours mangling it with technology, and then makes tons of money off of it. There's kind of a Kate Bush/Utah Saints parallel. I also seem to dimly recall SV's mother saying something to the effect of "You need more of a beat, honey" when commenting to her on the lukewarm reception of her third album. My personal ranking of Suzanne's first three albums in order of preference is 1, 2, 3. Hopefully #4 will break the trend. I heard about 1/2 of "Blood Makes Noise" and liked it by the way. I recognized the voice, possibly because it was pre-announced, but as people have commented, it was much more "techno" than anything else she has done before. Does anybody know when the album is going to be released? Keith ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 15:25:35 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: Suzanne Vega Keith Silver writes: > I wonder if her recent technosizing w.r.t. >"Blood Makes Noise" is a reaction to the fact that the rap/sampled remix of >"Tom's Diner" seemed to have more commercial success than the original? It's >got to hurt when somebody takes one of your songs, spends two hours mangling >it with technology, and then makes tons of money off of it. Actually, DNA did NOT make "tons of money" off of Tom's Diner. As I heard it, A & M threatened them with lawsuit and then paid them a minimal sum and in return got all rights and the masters of the remixes. After that point, Suzanne Vega and A & M (probably more the latter) made money off the singles. > There's kind of >a Kate Bush/Utah Saints parallel. I think Kate Bush is still more popular (especially in the long run) than Utah Saints. > My personal >ranking of Suzanne's first three albums in order of preference is 1, 2, 3. I prefer "Days of open hand" more than the other two. The production is incredible; there are great sounds in the background, such that one always finds more to notice the more one listens (try headphones). The lyrics are very interesting, wide open for interpretation. I must say that I still don't really understand some of them. Definitely one of my favourite albums from 1989. > Does anybody know when the album is going >to be released? The Upcoming Releases article in rec.music.info claims that 99.9%F (% should be a degrees symbol) will be released on September 8 in the USA. -- John ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:31 EDT From: TDELAHUNTY@ruby.vcu.edu Subject: Please Subscribe Please add me to the mailing list for ECTO. Thank you. T.Delahunty. ======================================================================== Date: 1-SEP-1992 22:48:39.74 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Thanks :) Hi! Thanks all for the wonderful birthday wishes... 'twas nice to see the mailbox stuffed with such good cheer. :) And it's also SO nice to be able to walk into a restaurant and order a Spaten Weiss with dinner again... (Providing, of course, the restaurant serves Spaten Weiss) Klaus, I'll be seeing you this weekend, ne? If any of you out there are planning on attending all or part of Magicon, the 50th World Science Fiction Convention in Orlando, Florida this weekend, PLEASE e-mail me! woj and I will be there, and Klaus and Claudia will be too, so maybe we could make it a Happy-ning! I have GOT to go to bed (unfortunately I have to go home first %)... ============================================================================= MereCdith Tarr mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu mtarr1@genie.geis.com America can't survive another four years... fight the idiocy on November 3rd ============================================================================= ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 0:50:12 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: Please Subscribe Welcome to Ecto! Feel free to jump in or lurk, whatever you feel most comfortable with. We always like to know how people heard about Happy, what they've heard (if anything, there are people on the list who haven't heard her music yet) and what you thought. (Reminds me, John Zimmer, still waiting for your wonderful story...:-)) We keep a birthday list and you can give your shoe size, if you please. (Reminds me, I never gave mine. Depending on what kind of shoe: 8 to 9 1/2, except that Chris's mom gave me a pair of winter boots that are size 6. They fit, so I don't know what kind of halloos the label-maker was on, they can't possibly be 6, really.) You want a FAQ? We got a FAQ. Write to our resident ubber-dubber, Doug Burks, at dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu and say please sir, may I have a FAQ? (Well, the "sir" is optional. "Oh Great One Who Dubs Millions Of Tapes For Us" will work too) Have a good time! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 1:12:07 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: Thanks :) Meredith, on your birthday: 1682: 100 English Quakers led by William Penn sailed for America aboard the Welcome. 1807: A court in Richmod, VA acqutted former Vice President Aaron Burr of treason. 1859: A Pullman sleeping car was placed in service between Bloomington, IL and Chicago. (These people dig *deep*!) 1862: The US Navy abolished liquor rations. (Take a swig for the Navy dudes) 1905: Alberta and Saskatchewan became the eighth and ninth provinces of Canada. (See Tim and Michael, American papers *do* write about Canada!) 1914: The last known passenger pigeon died. (I am not making this up!) 1923: At least 140,000 people were killed when japan's eastern seaboard was shaken by an earthquake. That's it, so I guess nothing of importance happened between 1923 and the year you were born. Thanks (er, well, thanks to your mum and dad) for bringing happy, happy, joy, joy back to September 1! Meredith, I didn't know you were going to Orlando for the WorldCon. Be sure to look for the Kate Bush Appreciation Society. Ernie, who runs the fanzine "Watching Storms" goes to *ALL* the big Cons and he *always* has a meeting for Kate fans. Keep an eye on the Special Interest Group board for the time and place. The meeting itself should be mentioned in the main Program, at least, it was last year, though not in the Pocket Guide. If Cliff Stoll is on any panels....GO GO GO!!! Don't miss him! Last year he was in 3 meetings. "See You On The Net," "What To Do About NASA" and "Stalking The Wily Hacker" (which was about his book _The Cookoo's Egg_ and is the best one.) You'll have a *great* time! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: 1 September 1992 11:36:35 CDT From: Subject: Fragments of stoff There is a slight error of fact in Jeff's posting on the Two Nice Girls discog- raphy: "Birth Control and Beer" is on the eponymous album, regardless of wher- ever else it may appear. Apropos Vickie's query on HBP: I have unilaterally sent an appeal to Greg, at his new primary email address (bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu), to bring us all up to speed. He posted to ecto recently that he didn't have continuous net access at that moment, so I don't know when he'll find it. This seems to be a good few days for Sarah McLachlan. In addition to the revie w of _Best of Mountain Stage, Vol. 3_ in the Chicago press over the weekend, there was a feature on her on today's _Morning Edition_ on NPR. Speaking of the latter program, I think that those of you who are into lobbying radio stations should put in a good word for it, along with _World Cafe_. For informational purposes, I am here reproducing the record review that describes the show: "The Best of Mountain Stage, Vol.3 Live" (Blue Plate Music) [source: Chicago Sun-Times, 8/30/92] "Over the last few years, 'Mountain Stage,' broadcast nationally on American Public Radio from Charleston, W. Va., has earned a reputation as radio's most exciting live music showcase, thanks to an exciting booking policy that feature s an array of adventurous folk, rock and world-beat artists. The show airs in the Chicago area every Tuesday at 3 P.M. on WDCB-FM (90.9), but in case you've been missing it, the independent Blue Plate Music label is releasing a series o f discs that will help you catch up. "Vol. 3 is the best disc yet, concentrating on rock artists who've pared back f or mostly acoustic performances. The selections are more interesting than anything you'll hear on MTV's 'Unplugged.': Timbuk 3 debunks its image as a sy nthesizer band with the stark and beautiful 'Border Crossing,' Hoboken's Yo La Tengo performs a tender version of 'Lewis,' and the Cowboy Junkies run through the touching 'Misguided Angel.' Some well-known names--Mary-Chapin Carpenter, Warren Zevon and Marshall Crenshaw--rub shoulders with such local heroes, un- derground legends and up-and-comers as the Fabulous Twister Sisters, Alex Chilton and Sarah McLachlan. The friendly West Virginia audience draws the best out of every artist (the Mountain Stage crew hosts a blow-out barbecue and jam session after each broadcast, something Garrison Keillor isn't likely to do). "Part of the fun of listening to Mountain Stage live is the juxtaposition of different musical styles and the impromptu jamming among musicians, but this disc will do just fine for the stretches between broadcasts." And, of course, happy birthday to Meredith and anyone else having a birthday around now. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 18:16:43 EDT From: woj Subject: Re: ecto #323 Vickie Mapes sez: > The card she sent was really cool, with a strange, >weirded-out sun on it (no, it's not a Happy drawing like last year) and >it came from "Happy Life Productions" (P.O. Box 687, Woodstock, NY) i was in woodstock last weekend. it's a weird little town nestled in the middle (more or less) of the catskills. despite its locale, which would lead one to think that it's a farming village or a sleept little hamlet in leatherstocking country, it's a bustling place full of neat shops, lots of people and tourists looking for "the field where the festival was" (which was actually in bethel, ny - on the other side of the cat- skills). when i'm up that way again, i plan on stopping there again, this time with more money. :) >So, who's going to tape the WXPN benefit????? not me. i'm being sent back to spain for that week. woj ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 2:09:30 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: The Twin Peaks Movie Hi! I find it so interesting that you liked the movie after having seen only one episode of Twin Peaks! Then again, that particular episode was the best one to watch to connect with the film. Funny...that episode and the movie are about Laura and her father (and BOB) but in general, the show wasn't about them. For hard-cores, the show was never about "Who Killed Laura Palmer" though it was a lot of fun to pick out and sift through clues. The Laura mystery was a way to introduce the characters and the town, which is what the show was really about. The show was about....it was about....hmmm, it was about 29 episodes full of moody atmosphere, spectacular scenery, interesting and quirky characters, weird and twisted storylines, clues and symbolism, haunting and dreamy music, owls and stoplights and full moons and waterfalls, Native American philosophy and spiritualism, sexual undercurrents, the dark side of human nature, seeee-crets, mystery and evil, love and optimism, set direction to die for, stunning cinematography, delving into the mind of David Lynch, great acting (for the most part) and lots and lots and lots of *FUN*! Among other things....:-) There are now 2 soundtracks, both quite wonderful. In a way, a third exists, if you want to (and you most certainly can) count Julee Cruise's album _Floating Into The Night_. It's quite wonderful too! Try to find a video store that carries the series (yea, the first season is out on video) and, if nothing else, watch the Pilot episode. It starts when Laura's body is discovered and you should enjoy it quite a bit, even though you know the outcome. With the movie so fresh in your mind, some of it is sure to be downright chilling! Oh, in the "Among other things" dept. I can't believe I forgot to mention the *humor* which gets very quirky and bizarre and sometimes silly. The movie didn't really have any of the trademark humor of the series, but it's understandable in light of the film's subject. Also, add in intense emotionalism, which I felt right away. In the Pilot, during the part where Laura's parents find out she's dead, and then again when Donna finds out, I was crying my eyes out. It was a suprise to me, because at that point we don't know *anything* about Laura and I don't even think a photo of her had been shown yet. I was actually hooked from the first few notes of the opening sequence (not the same one that's in the movie :-( ) but when I started crying for an unknown-*character*-in-a-TV-movie-fer- christsakes, I knew the series was going to be extra-special. The show got *extraordinary* amounts of attention, but I really think most people missed the point. The people who focused *only* on the murder mystery missed out on a lot and were mightily dissappointed when episode after episode after episode passed and the murderer wasn't revealed. It wasn't until well into the second season that we got *the answer* and by then, lots of people had given up in disgust and had fallen by the wayside. Fanatics kept up though, partially because we realized that the murder wasn't the point of the series (maybe the focal point, but not *the* point, if that makes sense) and also because we knew that in Twin Peaks, one episode = 1 day and murder investigation often take longer than two or three weeks. The series broke a lot of ground and a lot of rules, and people were puzzled and impatient. Oh well...it was to be expected, because TP wasn't like anything else that had ever been on TV. I really hope the Japanese interest will ensure that another movie will be made. Better yet, more of the series, because lots of questions were left unanswered. That's probably too much to hope for though. I really do think it's *very* cool that you liked the movie, Christine. Thanks for telling me! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:50:34 +0800 From: Ken Taylor Subject: RE: Twin Peaks Christine Writes: > Any other Twin Peaks people out there? And is there a soundtrack? > the music is a like a cross between Dead Can Dance, Throwing Muses and The > Cure Yes, there is a soundtrack. Angelo Badelamenti (I can't remember how to spell that surname !) is the guy who did all the main stuff and the soundtrack is cresited to him.. I have it on CD... I must admit, I listened to it a lot when I got it, but I very rarely do now. I suppose it wore off.. I wish they'd repeat TwinPeaks !! Ken ======================================================================== From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Subject: Tori's live sound (article) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 1:34:39 CDT Chris here, This article appeared in the "Live Sound _SoundCheck_" column in August 1992 issue of _MIX_ magazine. The author is David Tribbit. It is reproduced without permission, in the belief that this is a magazine that few other really-deep-thoughts subscribers read. But do check it out for the two nice photos of Tori, one on the contents page, and the other accompaning the article on page 125. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tour profile: Tori Amos American-born, British-made singer/songwriter Tori Amos is on a solo U.S. tour in support of her _Little Earthquakes_ album. The show has been playing clubs and small theatres, easily selling out most dates. It is a three person tour: one artist, one tour manager and one soundman. "It's so simple, it's great," says mixer Ian Thorpe. "To go back to absolute basics, which for me is one woman and a piano...that's why I'm here." Thorpe is a principle in W&T Ultrasonics, a 31-year-old sound manu- facturing and hire company in South Humberside, England. W&T was contracted to provide sound for a local show with Amos on the bill. Having heard her music by chance beforehand, Thorpe decided to mix the set himself. "I really enjoyed the show," he explains, "and Tori said, 'I like what you've done. Will you do my London shows?' So, I went to a meeting for the London show, and this agent said 'Oh, are you Tori's soundman?' So I said, 'Yeah, I think so,' and he said, 'Well you're going to be a busy man.' The album had just gone straight into the charts at Number 15!" The tour carries only microphones, picking up everything else at each gig. "It's such an intense show," Thorpe continues. "The lyrics are every- thing, so it's got to be loud and clear. I carry a vocal mic - a Shure Beta 58. I needed a mic that would give me clarity and handle wide sound levels, because Tori can be as quite as a mouse and then roar like a lion. Also, I need lots of level without feedback." Thorpe does not use a limiter on her vocal, although her constantly rides the overall and reverb send levels. "Sometimes when she goes up high (and loud) I let her go," Thorpe explains, "and sometimes I pull her back a bit and add reverb to give it the bigness. When I advance the shows, I ask for a Yamaha SPX900 if possible, which I put my own program in. It isn't anything special, just two seconds of reverb, 30 milliseconds of delay, and I take the highs up and down according to the room." Amos sits sideways on the piano bench, facing the audience, with wedge monitors behind and to her right. And she likes her monitors loud according to Thorpe. Careful placement keeps the monitor sound from bouncing off the raised piano lid and into the piano mics. "On this tour I'm carrying piano mics as well," Thorpe says. "It's my own fairly unique combination. For the bottom end I use a Shure PZM mic, an SM91, taped to the lid. I've got an SM7 for the mid of the piano and an AKG 451 for the highs. The combin- ation of the three gives me a reasonable sound, although that's dictated by the sound of the piano." As far as consoles, "I spec soundcraft or Amek/TAC," Thorpe adds. "Soundcraft is such an international desk that you are likely to get one anywhere in the world. "This is the quietest show you'll ever hear," he concludes. "When I say a pin drop, I mean it. I have to sit and not move at the desk in case the chair creaks. The intensity of the lyrics and performance has been described as mesmerizing, and that's why it's so quiet." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Note: "desk" and "console" are other names for the sound mixing board, used to control the level and tone of the various microphones on stage.] Chris Williams katefans@chinet.chi.il.us ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 08:18:08 BST Subject: Happy! I phoned up AG last night to check on air mail prices to the UK. Happy answered the phone! I had a quick chat with her and she seems really nice. tim ======================================================================== Subject: vagabond report #0 From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 06:14:47 GMT Hi everybody! Just some quick notes before we leave for Orlando in a couple of hours. The luggage is packed and we didn't forget to make a printout of the ecto contact database. The last week gave us trouble with email again. Sorry if you didn't receive messages from me. Either they were lost, or I didn't receive your message in the first place. I've also heard of message to me which bounced, and there are quite some digests missing. Although we are very much looking forward to this vacation, we already have a good reason to look forward to our return as well. With a lot of luck we found out that Bel Canto will perform in Bochum at the end of the week of our return, and we managed to get tickets. _____ Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge take a trip on a rocket ship, baby klaus@inphobos.w.open.de the sea is the sky - Tori Amos ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 07:29:09 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Fluff (tm) Greetings, Vickie queried: WHO, by the way, is doing the HBP? Doug? 'Tis not me, mainly because of my multiple vacations and a lack of the equipment needed to create the original tape. However, I can dupe the hell out of the result, an offer that is still open. I will also join the rousing chorus: What _is_ the status of the HBP? Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Trees and tapes Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 09:42:58 EDT Hi, Just a brief note: The tree in front of my new apartment is being cut down. :( Pooh! Re: HBP. Do you all think that doing the same thing for the HGP over and over is a good idea? I mean the H*P's are a fine way to exchange music, but as a gift idea to Happy, I dunno. So many creative minds can't come up with something else, more original? I suggest we put our thinking caps on and think up a new HGP for the winter. Just my opinion, Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 11:13:04 EDT From: woj Subject: hmmm... i'm *sure* that someone must have mentioned this, but did anyone notice the similarity between happy's promotional photo and the cover of KaTe's _the whole story_? +w ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)