Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #822 ecto, Number 822 Friday, 22 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Famous artwork on album covers Re: Julia Fordham Weather in Philadelphia The Police - again Re: Julia Fordham Re: I vote YES to Happy on Ecto Re: Julia Fordham *HUGS* Notes for Happy PC and crashes Car accidents aren't what they're cracked up to be... more happyvangelizing Message in a Box more famous artists on covers ======================================================================== From: brianb@netcom.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: Famous artwork on album covers Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 7:34:33 PDT Was the Moody Blues album cover an original of Maxfield Parrish (sp?) or a replica? And I guess the Molly Hatchett album cover by Frank Frazetta (Or was that a Boris Vallejo?) really doesn't qualify for classic art... I'm sure that more will come to me..... br!an -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@netcom.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Julia Fordham Date: 20 Oct 93 08:48:11 GMT On Wed, 20 Oct 93 at 09:04:58 BST Tim "Cook." x297 wrote: > The 1/2 album? Didn't she re-release her first album with extra live tracks? The version I have doesn't have *ALL* of the tracks from "Julia Fordham" on it, in fact it's only about half of them. Since the first album was not particularly long it would have been possible just to add the live tracks. That would have resulted in sme tracks being on there in both their live and studio versions, which I would like but might be a bit confusing to the casual (prospective) purchaser. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Weather in Philadelphia Date: 20 Oct 93 10:17:28 GMT Any Philadelphia area Ectophiles able to give me a weather forecast for tonight's World Series game? It's bad enough these games starting at 1am my time, but when the start gets delayed by 72 minutes... I'm likely to be nodding off at my desk this afternoon! So what chance an on-time start tonight? -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: IHEBER@esoc.bitnet (Ilka Heber) Subject: The Police - again Date: 20 Oct 93 09:18:39 GMT Stuart wrote that he was very disappointed with the "Message in a Box", as he had the albums already, anyway, and only bought it for the B-sides. I certainly see your point, Stuart, and I was only disappointed to not having the words included. I'm still very happy with the set, though, as I have the whole lot in go now and for a reasonably cheap price. Also I don't really have much experience with boxed sets - actually it's the first one I ever bought. I agree, though, that "This Woman's Work" has certainly been put together in a *much* better way. So, I think as a conclusion we could say that if somebody doesn't have any- thing from The Police before it's a good investment, but don't waste your money if you already have all the studio albums. Byeeeeeeeeeee, Ilka = ) ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Julia Fordham Date: 20 Oct 93 08:28:47 GMT On Tue, 19 Oct 1993 at 14:30:29 -0500 (EST) Sam Warren wrote: > In regards to Julia, Steve Fagg says: > >Of her three-and-a-half albums... > ...why do > you say "three-and-a-half albums? As far as I know, there were only "Julia > Fordham", "Porcelain" and "Swept". What am I missing? I have a Japanese CD called "Julia Fordham/Live" which has some tracks from the first album and some tracks recorded from a concert somewhere in England or Scotland. I don't have the details here at work, but I can let you know if you're interested. The live stuff is really good (IMO) and makes me think she would be well worth seeing in concert (I never have) in a suitably sized (i.e. not too large) venue. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: awphili@cs.vu.nl (Albert Philipsen) Subject: Re: I vote YES to Happy on Ecto Date: 20 Oct 93 09:50:28 GMT Steve Fagg writes: >Albert's poll seems to have generated a surprising amount of heat. >Perhaps if people thought of it as an opinion poll rather than a >binding vote they might be less upset. I had intended it to be an opinion poll from the start. I'm sorry if my formulation wasn't clear enough to make this obvious. It was a kind of impulsive thing to organise the voting. I have a lot of questions that I would like to ask Happy, but I never seem to get to ask them in the letters I write to AG to order stuff. Writing a few emails would be much more convenient, and this seemed like a very good opportunity. >Although from what Bob tells >us the question is moot, I would like to think that Happy would have >taken the views of the list into account in deciding whether to join >in or not. Perhaps Happy could consider getting just an email account without joining Ecto. In this way, we could ask her all the questions we want, and she could even post the answers to Ecto, without reading Ecto herself. I think the point someone made that it would take too much of her time is good. I'd rather see Happy working on a new album than reading Ecto. >If the newsgroup alt.fan.pratchett is anything to go by I >would say there are definite advantages to be gained from having the >artist involved, though it would undoubtedly change the tone of the >list. The more vocal participants here seem to agree that Happy would >be welcome, and that's fine by me, but I hope Albert won't have been >deterred from posting the results of his poll. I'm not that easily deterred. :-) Here are the intermediate results up till now. I don't think they will change much until Friday. YES votes: 25 NO votes: 3 Albert ======================================================================== From: timc@kbss.bt.co.uk (Tim "Cook." x297) Subject: Re: Julia Fordham Date: 20 Oct 93 08:04:58 GMT I remember seeing her in London around the time her first album was released (which is still my favourite one of hers). That must have been in 1988. Seems a long time ago now. The 1/2 album? Didn't she re-release her first album with extra live tracks? tim PS I *like* the new Cocteau Twins album. It's a bit strange being able to understand what Liz is singing about though!! I'm not so sure about the PJ Harvey demo album. Maybe I need to give it a few more listens. ======================================================================== From: lcliffor@ccj.bbn.com (Laura Frank Clifford) Subject: *HUGS* Date: 20 Oct 93 17:32:21 GMT >probably won't be the last. *HUG* ... >Vickie Vicki - someone in corporate America must be listening - I saw an ad yesterday for Hershey's Hugs, which are basically Hershey's Kisses 'hugged' by white milk chocolate! Available w/almonds too :-) Stock up! Laura ======================================================================== From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Notes for Happy Date: 20 Oct 93 11:10:00 GMT Hi all! Albert's latest post gave me an idea: As we all know, Happy is not with us, but she does appreciate all we do for her. If any of you have questions you would like to ask her, why not post them? I'm sure that either Vickie or I could make sure she received them. She could answer them in her own time and get back to us later, if she wanted to, or just file them if she's too busy. I'd be willing to take any questions anyone on the net has and forward them to Susanne, or perhaps Vickie would pass them on directly if the volume wasn't too great. Happy could fax her answers to Susanne or Vickie (if she was willing) and we'd pass them back to the net. Whaddya think, sirs? Bob T. Robot PS - Questions should be posted to the list in individual posts. I (or Vickie if she's willing) can copy just those posts, print them, and fax 'em off to AG... (note ellipse) ======================================================================== From: aph31361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aeren Hawkins) Subject: PC and crashes Date: 20 Oct 93 01:53:13 GMT Vickie remarks: > Aeren (interesting spelling change!) writes: I'm refraining from mentioning Colleen Doran's _A Distant Soil_, but that's where the alternate spelling comes from. Any other fans out there in ectoland? > > > Ten little endian girls > > > > A friend once told me he'd seen an older version that used "n*gg*r" instead > > of "In..." um "endian". I've never managed to check it out, though. > > My second-rate state university doesn't offer a major in folklore. Sigh. > > Yikes! I've never heard that version, thank goodness. The net is such a > wild and informational place...is there somewhere you can ask? Well, Mitch already corroborated it. I'd forgotten the Agatha Christie angle...but can you really chalk the change up to "political correctness" when it happened a few decades before the term was coined? Would you say the same thing about altering Steven Foster lyrics? > > As it is, I'm terribly worried I'm going to be the first African American > > to graduate from the linguistics department. I'm setting a really lousy > > precedent. :) > > In history, or just at UIUC? :-) What are you studying? Linguistics, and I really hope I'm not going to be the first here at Urbana, but the dept. is only 29 or so years old, and there aren't any others running around as faculty or grad. students. People keep telling me how easy it should be to get accepted to grad. schools and get funding and stuff, and they don't actually _say_ "regardless of whether you're competent or not", but the whole thing still makes me uncomfortable sometimes. Maybe I just worry too much. :-) > > Aside to brni: **warm fuzziness** My mom was in a car accident this > > summer, too, and the whole thing had that surrealistic air you described. > > Nothing like calling a hospital and having someone tell you that they > > haven't _lost_ your mother, exactly, they just weren't precisely sure > > where she'd gotten off to... > > Ack! What happened to her? Kiri's mother was in a car accident last > year :-(. Kiri and Aeren, how are they doing? Well, my mom is doing much better. She can walk, something the doctors weren't too sure about right after the accident. The mix-up with where she was had to do with Northwestern Hospital and the Rehab Institute of Chicago being two separate entities, and her getting checked out of one to visit the other. The computer just said she had checked out, which came as a shock to us, since the last time we'd visited she couldn't even sit up by herself. The guy who hit her claimed that she'd run a red light, so perhaps we should add to brni's advice: Don't stop at red lights unless there's a big van coming from that way. :-) > Great! (About finding Rearmament, and your entire second sentence!) > Did you get it at Rose Records in Champaign? Nope, the Tower in Chicago again. I haven't tried the Rose down here, now that you mention it. Aeren ======================================================================== From: cs210rfc@icsun.sunnet.ithaca.edu (Rob Craven) Subject: Car accidents aren't what they're cracked up to be... Date: 19 Oct 93 17:59:44 GMT brni: I don't know if it was your intent... and it probably wasn't... but I found myself giggling at certain parts of your story about your car accident. Mainly at the behavior of the police and hospital personnel. Maybe I'm just too used to people making light of some pretty horrible things that really happen. But, after hearing that, I'm really REALLY glad that you're all right and that you weren't seriously hurt. Oh, I know... you were pretty seriously hurt. But... it could've been worse. And that's what I'm happy about. That it wasn't. [[[[[*HUGS*]]]]] I've really never been seriously hurt before. Ever. I've NEVER had surgery. I've never been in an accident. I've always been incredibly fortunate. Something's always saved me. Like when I was a little kid, I remember falling out of a pretty tall tree, head-first. The inside of my knees caught the back of a tree branch when my head was about a foot from the ground. And, just yesterday, a light exploded and a lot of stuff was burnt severely. I was right next to it and, if there hadn't been one of those photographer's umbrellas there, I might've gotten singed really badly along with my computer. So... I'd say I've been fortunate, health-wise. Now I just wish I could say the same about my emotions! ;) The worst part of it all is that I haven't been able to write any good poetry about that. It's all too complex in my head to put into words. So I write about other people and things. :) Now that I've rambled long enough... I've got a question. The only Happy tunes I've heard are: Warpaint, Possessed, Oh The Drears, Poetic Justice, Project 499, I'm Going Back, Look For The Child, and Under and Over the Brink. Someone else recorded them for me, so I don't even know what albums they're from. But... I'd say my favorites are Under and Over the Brink, Look For The Child, Warpaint, and Possessed. From that, what would everyone recommend I go for next? :) Thanks! :) ********************************************************************* * Rob Craven | The leather cracks * * cs210rfc@icsun.sunnet.ithaca.edu | And the pages crumble to dust * * rcraven1@ithaca.edu | Knotted threads untie and fall * * ---------------------------------- Like strands of time * *"Everybody's got something to hide| Cut from the loom, * * Except for me and my monkey..." | Wispy and fragile on the wind, * * | Burning as they touch ground, * * -The Beatles | Lost forever. * * | -Me * ********************************************************************* ======================================================================== From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: more happyvangelizing Date: 19 Oct 93 07:24:10 GMT Last week I went on a road trip with the rest of my project team at work to visit McChord Air Force Base to get background material for the game that our team is working on. We visited a squadron of A-10 pilots, who are very interesting people who fly a very intersting airplane, but that's another story. One of the people we took with us is our company's theatrical coordinator, who works with actors, makeup, and costuming for those parts of our games where we digitize live actors. One of the things that made me decide Dynamix would be a good company to work for was when I passed by her office during my initial interview and she was blasting _The Whole Story_ behind her closed door (I didn't know who she was then but if you could play Kate as loud as you wanted in your office that was one big point in favor of working conditions). Anyway, Sher is indeed a big Kate Bush fan and was overjoyed to find out that Kate is coming out with a new album soon (we hope). In anticipation of the long drive from Eugene to Seattle I brought along a couple of my Kate Bush tapes and my tape of _Warpaint_. So all we really got to listen to on the trip up was _Warpaint_, mostly because the driver of the van I was in seemed ambivalent about Kate. Sher remarked that Happy sounded very interesting, but I knew that she couldn't have the fullest impression when all the details were masked by all the car noise. Today I left _Warpaint_ and my tape of the TWW I & II CDs on her desk just before I left for a while. When I got back I got a call from Sher. "Is that the same woman singing both high and low?" she asked. "Yes," I said. "Wow!" said Sher. We raved to each other about how great Happy is for a while. I offered to give her Aural Gratification's address so she could send off for a CD of her own. She surprised me by telling me she had already called a couple of local music stores, one of which had _Equipoise_ in stock, the other _Warpaint_, and both willing to order Happy's other albums. Although I had been thinking of pushing Happy on some other local record stores (I had left my copy of _Warpaint_ with one store owner overnight so he could test-listen, and now it's his store that has _Equipoise_ in stock) I hadn't known that anyone was stocking Happy's stuff. Now I have somewhere to send the burgeoning masses of Happy fans I hope to inspire. In return Sher has loaned me some tapes of Julia Fordham. They aren't striking me particularly strongly yet but I'm willing to give them a couple of listenings to see if they grow on me. For Bob Lovejoy or whoever can pass the information on to Susanne, here's some record store names, addresses, and phone numbers: Balladeer Music [has _Equipose_, will special-order, my original contact] 296 E 5th, Eugene OR 97401 (503) 343-8043 Compact Disc World [has _Warpaint_, will special-order] 2100 W 11th, Eugene OR 97402 (503) 683-6902 Happy Trails Records [a cool and appropriate shop, hmm?] 365 E 13th, Eugene OR 97401 (503) 485-5351 Record Garden 1030 Willamette, Eugene OR 97401 (503) 344-7625 Actually, all of these stores are friendly to special orders, and Eugene has a lot of independent record stores like these. ======================================================================== From: labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (King o' Pain) Subject: Message in a Box Date: 19 Oct 93 01:56:00 GMT Ilka said of the Police boxed set: >No, really, I think that set is well worth the money. It contains 4 CDs which >are all packed with music (all about 70 minutes long). It also has a booklet >with some information about the band and photographs. The format is a bit >unusual for a boxed set. The package holds two CDs above each other in the >front cover and two in the back. The middle is the booklet. I am actually disappointed with the boxed set. Even though I had all the albums already, I bought it for the B-sides, the booklet, and (I hoped) lyrics. However, after buying it, I want my money back! The box/folder thingy is really cheesy, the B-sides are *terrible* (IMHO), and there aren't any lyrics included. Plus, they didn't leave the albums intact, so I still need to keep all my original CDs. The only redeeming quality was the booklet, which I do like quite a bit. I guess I was expecting something along the lines of the _This Woman's Work_ box. It came with all the albums, B-sides/rarities on separate CDs, lyrics, and 1 great booklet (the other is probably great too, but I can't read Japanese). Now, I probably wouldn't be nearly as bitter if I hadn't owned all the albums already. And, I guess I would recommend _Message in a Box_ to someone who doesn't have any Police albums because it's cheaper than buying all the CDs individually and only _Synchronicity_ and the greatest hits collection have lyrics with them anyway. But I still think A&M could have done a better job. Stuart ______________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg "I need more things. I need more money. Emory Univ. Law School Don't want to work. Want things for free." labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu -Jane Siberry _o_ |< ______________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 11:16:29 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: more famous artists on covers hi all, thought of some more. maxfield parrish did the cover of dali's car's _the waking hour_ joni mitchell does a lot of her own covers. i have seen dali used, but i don't know where. i've also seen roy liechtenstein used (or abused) more than once. i have an album by some obscure band (house of pants, i think?) that uses him. styx _the grand illusion_ is a modified version of a magritte piece. i'm sure i've seen magritte's work used elsewhere as well (in particular the one with the big floating rock), but i don't know where. ok, enuf for now... b r n i ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)