Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #820 ecto, Number 820 Thursday, 21 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: it's raining birds again... Happyvangelising And now it's time for Mr. Know-it-all :-) Emotional landscaping Bananafish and Viento de los Andes Stuff UNLURK me also :) Re: how i broke my arm (long) Re: sorry about the screw-up RB Girl review Famous artwork on album covers ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 11:09 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: it's raining birds again... Hi Vickie, Mike and the rest of us, Vickie quotes me quoting quotes MJM & Angelos: > > > |When's the last time a world hit was in Greek? Or turkish? Or finnish? > > > > > > Good question. I would say this was just another failure of the > > > (in particular, though not exclusively, American) music industry, > > > radio, etc. in promoting or "feeding" listeners anything other > > > than predictable hits (for the most part). It reminds of a girl > > > > This sounds a bit ethnocentric again ;-)... why is it that US radio stations > > define world hits? > > It's been bothering me, the flak that Mike's gotten in this thread. I > think Mike was misunderstood to begin with (especially by Angelos, but > that's taken care of) and this doesn't help any. MJM is *anything* but > ethnocentric, and it's not fair to blame him for what US radio stations > [...] I apologize that I didn't read Mike's sentences too good. I somehow got the impression that he said something else. Sorry. And I really didn't want to throw dust into the wound again. Sorry again. I won't say anything that stupid again, except if I am stupid again. Peace? Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 11:16 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Hiya, Anthony H. got me with Margot Smith. I second everything he said about her, except maybe the position of the album wrt the top-of-93. Anthony isn't a Katefan, and so he somehow dislikes TRS. I don't. So check her out: Margot Smith - Sleeping With The Lion Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Subject: Happyvangelising Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 16:33:04 CDT From: Joe Zitt I'm sitting in Austin's High Time Tea Bar and Brain Gym, a really cool smoke-free coffeehouse where they have a 286 with a modem. The bartender is a major Kate Bush fan, so I've brought in a double whammy: right now we're listening to Tori Amos's "Crucify" disc (he freaked when he heard "Angie"), and we've got "Equipoise" hooked up next. Heh-heh-heh... BTW, I picked up an Ectoid-looking disc last night, "Memory of a Color" by Stina. Anyone know anything about her? ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 16:35:13 CDT From: Subject: And now it's time for Mr. Know-it-all :-) WRT Aeren's post in the last day or two on the renaming of the Agatha Christie book that ultimately became _And Then There Were None_: It would seem that the phenomenon of political correctness predates the label. Such things are occas- ionally observable in social history :-). Brni doth mojze: >ps. i figured out what it is about statistics that bothers me. the >other day my teacher said "everything, every event can be converted >to a number, to a random variable. and then we can manipulate it." >this, i think, is a truly terrifying notion. Wonder if many of those who are down on digital sound derive this feeling from a similar perception? :-) Vickie doth mape: >Forgive me, for I know not what I forget. :-) This reminds me of something I saw on a University of Chicago professor's office door during a visit to that campus yesterday. He advised students to make appointments with the secretary who came with his administrative job in another academic unit, on the grounds not only that he doesn't control his own schedule (his secretary does), but that the volume of information outruns his memory anyway, or words to that effect. He put it far more elequently and amusingly, in any event; sometime I'll have to recheck the original text :-). In a panel on liberal education, which was what brought me to the U of C for the afternoon in the first place, one of the panelists recounted a statement from the 1890's, on what the general education curriculum should contain. The statement concluded with the assertion that a knowledge of Assyric, Coptic or Dutch would also be useful. In view of our discussions recently on the latter language, it occurred to me that you might find this historical datum wryly amusing. Mitch ======================================================================== From: Aeren Hawkins Subject: Emotional landscaping Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 17:41:24 -0500 (CDT) Hi all! brni: I think you're right about Good Music (like Happy) letting us see ourselves clearer. Since most of us have at least some things we'd rather _not_ see, it's easier to listen to the corporate stuff. Less challenging, more reassuring that everything is just fine... Vickie: Thanks for the interview. I'm going to be using it as data for a paper on discourse analysis...now, all of you were native speakers of English, right? :-) Diane and Laurel: Welcome aboard. jessica: Best wishes. Those Unnamed: Let's see...about five foot, blue eyes, terribly cute but has an attitude like a wounded, cornered grizzly that's about to rip somebody's face off and hand it to them? Nope. Don't know her. Aeren ======================================================================== From: Mike Matthews Subject: Bananafish and Viento de los Andes Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 19:36:43 -36803936 (EDT) Both CDs that I mentioned before have finally arriven. I received Bananafish's There Must Be a Place a while ago; it's got pretty good stuff on it. Might even be Ecto material; sounds like a cross between Simon 'n Garfunkel and Indigo Girls; it's all light and active music. Of course, it's only got about 34 minutes on it, so the $19 pricetag was a bit stiff. Viento de los Andes just came today and it's folk music from the Andes and South America (according to the writing on the CD). Really nice background music. Lots of wind instruments, a few lyrics, mostly instrumental. Although... I've never really seen this happen before, but I think the CD's got a scratch on it or something because it froze into an infinite Max Headroom loop 1:17 into track 8. Pretty wild, actually. ------ Mike Matthews, Mike_Matthews@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ The first duty of a revolutionary is to get away with it. - Abbie Hoffman ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 16:55:41 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Stuff Hi, I can't believe that the week after I suggested we e-mail TIME about Happy, they go ahead and do a whole article on alternative music, and put Pearl Jam on the cover... Ah, well. The charts with the various rock genres~e ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Re: Bananafish and Viento de los Andes Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 17:20:57 PDT > Although... I've never really seen this happen before, but I think the CD's > got a scratch on it or something because it froze into an infinite Max > Headroom loop 1:17 into track 8. Pretty wild, actually. A lot of CDs have scratches on them - particularly if the scratch follows the track (ie: it's a scratch in the same sense as the direction of rotation and not from the centre to the edge of the disc) that can confuse some players. Generally the more expensive your player the better the tracking mechanism that can compensate for these flaws that confuse the laser beam. I had a couple of CDs that weren't playable on a friend's machine - they skip and jitter and get caught in loops like crazy. When I finally got a player I got a pretty good one and those CDs work fine. I've actually never had a problem with any CDs on my new player, come to think of it! It's kind of neat, though. CDs usually work so much more reliably than vinyl that we forget that they're discs that can skip just like a record can. - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 17:27:40 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Stuff You may or may not have received a messed up message of mine.. Does anybody have a working version of xmh for a Sun, or know where I can get one? I hate the 'mail' command. I want to be asked if I want to send, abort or list. :) If my half message made it, then you know what I wanted to say, if not, then I'll post it tomorrow, in any case what I didn't have time to write was 'Welcome Diane!'. Let's see if I can send this message without any problems. Angelos (mixing his CTRL's today :) ) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 19:38:05 -0500 (UTC -05:00) From: "I THINK THEREFORE I AM...CONFUSED" Subject: UNLURK me also :) HI all! Been scopin' things out form the sidelines for a while also. I'm Alex Weston, Stage Manager of the Crafton Preyer Theatre at the University of Kansas, hence the mnemonic ID. I've picked up Equipoise and Ecto and love 'em both. Played them at work today and got constant comparisons to Tori...go figure. I picked up the Dead can Dance compiliation and it grew on me FAST. I'd appreciate it if someone could e-mail me some info about the band,specifically, who they are, where they are from and what language is the female vocalist singing in (one Irish guy here insists it's Gaelic). Thanks to whoever started the thread on them. The Strawbs are another of my favorites, so I was REAL impressed to see the recent discussion of them and Sandy Denny here. Hero and Heroine is available on CD. Get it if you run into it. The stuff they released after reuniting in 1990? is ok but has little of the power,and magic of their 1970's releases. Oh, and both of David Cousins (the driving force behind the Strawbs) releases are well worth the effort of tracking them down I prefer_ Old School Songs_ to_ Two Weeks Last Summer_, but they are both quite tasty. WISH ME LUCK. I'll be working the crew on a George Strait concert in Topeka tomorrow. YEEHAW I ain't never done none COUNTRY shows before!!! Sometime soon (providing I survive tomorrow) I'll explain how I managed to get Happy's discs carried in a local record store...it's kinda funny. jessica, hang in there. I've just fought my way out of the darkness of depression that lasted a (horrible) year. I can understand some of what you are going through. It takes time, don't get discouraged if things don't come up roses right away. Gotta go, I'm glad to be here, the volume of the list IS daunting, but the people seem wonderful! Alex still.siglis ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 13:49 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: how i broke my arm (long) > hi there, > > this has taken a while to write, since i kept getting distracted. > its about 300 lines long, so if you want, skip this post and go > to the next. Never had such a good laugh at such a sad story! How much of it has happened literally? Too good to be true! :-)! Ever considered writing other things? My mother always wanted to fly with a helicopter. But she refuses to accept your way... I hope your arm is getting more-and-more all right again! Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 10:46 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: sorry about the screw-up Hi! I posted the following source code a while ago: ------------8<------------- #include #define O (b=b?b-1:(p++,5),*p&1<+@{=#_P0-]PV.]F>TM!YK'?? |T\"Z8}aE<&D-!:-T'\"\ O<~cG5$,<2'#;/UI.0{d^HV6817-2F95-T7X|c^/1XB]*)3WHG0/0}dN>G RMZB.12.P] ~hM^J\\[\ <29A6|e&9V;E[Q:,S1.P] }eES.$Z):B.*O+$G_ ~fWU8)75?I#\ 75?WHN0{jE=] {%^-8_P}%N>FO(}'M^JQ=z&U!:O(J{%&9G4|%ERO(~(WU8)G4{'E=]^G4",b=n;*p++ <122||--b;);c=*p;while(--c>31&&c!=79)putchar(44+(o?o?o?-34:68:O?60:74:O?64:o?o? 2:54:O?23:63:77:O?55:o?76:15:35:-12:o?61:O?56:65:O?66:53:o?o?O?75:58:0:70:57:o? 71:o?73:1:67:O?72:59));c>32?e(n-1):0;}main(){while(++j<15)e(1),e(13+j),e(15),e( j-(j<4));} ------------8<------------- And said that it would work on little-endian machines as my NeXT with its motorola 68040. But Anthony complained it didn't work with his Amiga that is also a motorola 680x0 little-endian machine. Well, I don't know why it doesn't work there, especially since the Lattice C compiler also has 32 bit ints. Maybe it does only work with GNU C? Anyhow, Vickie, you were wrong, but not completely. The output is: Spoiler alert, press 'n' if you dont want to read it. -------------8<-------------- On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me a partridge in a pear tree. On the second day of Christmas my true love gave to me two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree. On the third day of Christmas my true love gave to me three french hens, two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree. On the fourth day of Christmas my true love gave to me four calling birds, three french hens, two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree. On the fifth day of Christmas my true love gave to me five golden rings; four calling birds, three french hens, two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree. On the sixth day of Christmas my true love gave to me six geese a-laying, five golden rings; four calling birds, three french hens, two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree. On the seventh day of Christmas my true love gave to me seven swans a-swimming, six geese a-laying, five golden rings; four calling birds, three french hens, two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree. On the eighth day of Christmas my true love gave to me eight maids a-milking, seven swans a-swimming, six geese a-laying, five golden rings; four calling birds, three french hens, two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree. On the ninth day of Christmas my true love gave to me nine ladies dancing, eight maids a-milking, seven swans a-swimming, six geese a-laying, five golden rings; four calling birds, three french hens, two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree. On the tenth day of Christmas my true love gave to me ten lords a-leaping, nine ladies dancing, eight maids a-milking, seven swans a-swimming, six geese a-laying, five golden rings; four calling birds, three french hens, two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree. On the eleventh day of Christmas my true love gave to me eleven pipers piping, ten lords a-leaping, nine ladies dancing, eight maids a-milking, seven swans a-swimming, six geese a-laying, five golden rings; four calling birds, three french hens, two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree. On the twelfth day of Christmas my true love gave to me twelve drummers drumming, eleven pipers piping, ten lords a-leaping, nine ladies dancing, eight maids a-milking, seven swans a-swimming, six geese a-laying, five golden rings; four calling birds, three french hens, two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree. -------------8<-------------- As such it's a perfectly short way to code this poem! The output is much more funny if you just duplicate any of the lines below the one with 'char*p' at the beginning and above the line with '<122||' at the beginning. Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 18:23:31 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: RB Girl review I don't usually look at too much on the net, but I was roaming and this caught my eye. From rec.music.reviews Kronto Singles Review: KATE BUSH - Rubberband Girl (***) I am mean enough to enjoy seeing all the snotty Kate Bush fans on rec.music.gaffa go apeshit over this song -- which is accessible and poppy, and about as un-intellectual as it is possible for Kate to get without putting on her metal bra and going back to singing 'Babooshka'. Personally, I think this bouncy pop-song makes a nice change from the more 'difficult' material she has been making for the last decade or so. Plus there is a rave review of The Story's show in San Francisco. Hopefully I'll have one of my own next week. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 18:43:56 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Famous artwork on album covers Hi folks, Since the Ecto Bunch tends to be a fairly musically literate group, I thought I'd canvass you for this: I'm writing a packet of College Bowl questions for a tournament between us and Stanford next month, and one of the questions I'm writing involves albums with covers by famous artists (eg. H. R. Giger's cover of _Brain Salad Surgery_ by Cream, and the use of Hieronymous Bosch's "The Garden of Earthly Delights" used on the cover of Dead Can Dance's _Spleen and Ideal_ (or was it _The Serpent's Egg_?) ) Can any of you think of others? Thanks bunches, D^2 ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)