Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #809 ecto, Number 809 Saturday, 16 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* On stores of different sizes Rubberband Girl Random notes Intermediate voting results Re: 21st Century Sound And Border Books Vollen./Saving Daylight/VR-to-RL/Tucson/Serveert Happy on Ecto Re: sorry about the screw-up Subject Re: your mail ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 00:41:37 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) whew! just got caught up. ack. my back hurts from reading all those posts. *HUGS* and lots of luck to kath in dealing with her landlord problems. i never did understand the "no pets" deal with apartments. if the beastie does any damage, wouldn't that just come out of the securuty deposit? sigh. renters of the world, unite! you have nothing to lose but your lease! start klausing here ----------------------------------- >From: Tree of Schnopia > >4.) Holly, my dear, I fear I must take exception to the idea that >singing=talking. Uh-uh. It's not hard to have a fine speaking voice >without concentrating on half of the things a singer must keep in mind. An >actor or lecturer only needs to learn projection and enunciation. A singer >must learn about air space, proper breathing methods (which help speaking >but aren't paramount), vowel formation and substitution, falsetto, phrasing, >the difference between singing with and singing without amplification, and a >whole *slew* of other shit. True, all this training isn't necessary for the >average person to be able to "carry a tune", but even that utilizes some >vastly different skills. I'm not being nit-picky; I know people with >atrociously awful, awful speaking voices and incredibly gorgeous singing >voices. We're not talking about two *totally* different things here, but >they don't usually go hand in hand, even though skills overlap. My voice >teacher has me roll my French "r's" when singing, even though my French >professor would swat me repeatedly were I to say "Je pourrrrrrrrra chanter >quand j'aurrrrrrrrai finir mes etudes". i think i've said this before, but what the hell: "just because you don't have a good voice doesn't mean that you don't have a good voice." singing doesn't necessarily mean "having a gorgeous singing voice." it means knowing what you are capable of doing, and working within that space. ian curtis (joy division) had a *terrible* voice, and yet it was perfect for the truly unique music that they produced. when i saw laurie anderson (ms. talk normal, herself) this year, after the performance she and her co-conspiritors came out and did a Q&A thing with the audience that remained. she talked about singing, and some of the problems she'd had with it. she had never really sung before _mr. heartbreak_, and then she tried it and got really scared at how bad she sounded and got really insecure about the whole thing and avoided it as much as possible. but eventually she found herself in the position where she had to sing. she went to singing teacher after singing teacher, and they all failed to teach her to sing. eventually she found a guy that said (paraphrase, of course) "the reason you are not successful at singing is that you are treating it as something different from speaking. speaking is singing, but with less movement." then he taught her to sing based not on any "classical" notions of vocal training, but based on the way she talked and phrased things already. i'd say the result isn't half-bad. i'd say that anyone can sing, given that they recognize what they are and are not able to do with their voice. dave thomas of pere ubu could not do dead can dance. the opposite is equally impossible. >Drewcifer > ------------------------- >From: pas@math.ams.org (Paula Shanks) >Subject: Rubber stamps redux > >I recently received a new catalogue of rubber stamps and thought I >should mention here that this company has stamps featuring the visage >of Kate Bush (nine different likenesses), as well as Siouxsie, >Patti Smith, Peter Gabriel and some others. If anyone is interested, >mail me and I'll send you ordering information. > >--Pshanks, poor in all but music, rubber and spirit (pas@math.ams.org) > mark me down as interested. (hey, one of these days i'm even going to read the stuff you sent me on mail art.) ------------------------------- > >To which I shall add a dissenting opinion. I tried to listen. Honest. >I'll admit that my opinion was formed by a single listen to a single CD, >so keep it in mind. > >Brni says it's music that one should force oneself to listen to. Maybe. >I would never say that art should shy away from the atrocities humanity >inflicts on itself and the rest of the world, but I guess I couldn't >find a reason to inflict this particular atrocity on myself a second time. >(Maybe I would have gotten it if I'd seen the performance? Who knows.) > well, you listened to it once. you paid attention to the lyrics. and not everybody has the same emotional reactions to things (good thing too, else we'd live in a dreadfully boring world). i never said that one should force oneself to listen to it more than once all the way through. i never got through it all the way a second time. i take bits and pieces, here and there. >Just my humble opinion, not intended to start a flame-fest, and certainly >not intended to impugn the tastes of any other ecto-philes. > >Respectfully submitted, > > -- Kate > and respectfully responded to. :) ----------------------------------- >From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) > >> Well, influenced by Belew perhaps, but the *last* Crimson album >> (I forget the title, something or other with elephants in one >> of the songs) is remarkably similar to the first few tracks >> on I advance masked, 1982. Uncannily similar. It's really good. > >That would be _Discipline_, a truly excellent elpee's worth of toons. > um. uh. quick KC discography: **slowly shifting lineups on these albums** in the court of the crimson king in the wake of posiedon lizard island earthbound (live) (also really bad) **new line up starts here** larks tongues in aspic starless and bible black red *band breaks up* **new line up starts here** discipline beat three of a perfect pair *band breaks up* -------------------------------- >From: Suspended In Duct Tape >Subject: KATE ON 120 MINUTES > >This Sunday, 10/17/93, 120 Minutes will premiere new videos by Cocteau Twins, >Ocean Blue, and... Kate Bush! No clue which one, though my guess is it's >"Rubberband Girl", since as far as we know there's no video for "Eat The >Music", right? In any case, those of you with access to Americn MTV should >fire up your VCRs- it's on at midnight on both coasts, but I'm not sure about >the inland North American time zones. > i was going to ask what time it was on at (being rather brain dead, at this point). i suppose it would be equally stupid to ask how long the show ran....? :^> --------------------------------- >From: mpower@jpmorgan.com (Marc Power) >Subject: I vote that its not up to me (or you) whether Happy wants to join us on ecto or not > >You didn't ask my permission to join ecto, Albert, >Neither did I ask yours - Happy is free to do >whatever she chooses, just like the rest of us. > this is, i think, a good point. i was originally going to suggest that rather than a vote (although i'd already sent my vote in) it would be better to have a discussion about it and come to some sort of consensus. however, i think that marc's point has a sort of blatant, unbreachable obviousness to it that supercedes any pretentions we might have about who may or may not be allowed to join our club. :) i assume happy would be held to the same standards of good conduct that we expect of the rest of us... ;^> oh, yeah. might i suggest that we keep happy and drukman apart? ;> ;> good night and good luck. brni ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 16:01:11 CDT From: Subject: On stores of different sizes WRT the cyberwake (to coin a neologism) we're now holding for 21st Century Sound: I too mourn the loss of one more independent to the mass-merchandiser juggernaut, with the latter's usual emphasis on the best seller to the detrim- ent of the customer for midlist items; and yet, as Brian has shown us, it may not be warranted to regard the megachains as inherently evil. In the best case the big store may actually have a greater capacity--theoretically, anyway--to carry obscure stuff, however unrealized this potential usually is in practice. What is more, while the chain store's everyday prices may not always be lower-- they may, indeed, be higher in some cases--they often have sale prices that fit very well with one's self-interest as a consumer, however they make one feel WRT one's ideological support of the little guy. I have bought much from both a large national chain (Tower) and a large local one (Rose); I have bought much else from independents, some of which I could have gotten for less later on at the chains. I remain unapologetic about buying what I have from the latter; it often helps my finite money supply to go further. I should note, however, that Tower is probably atypical of large chains WRT selection and opportunities to save on price; one may indeed get a better deal much of the time from an independent (or at least no worse a deal) than from chains like Coconuts or Musicland, and in these situations it makes sense both altruistically and egoistically (ah there, Emile Durkheim :-) ) to go with the independent. The bottom line, I guess, is that one must be flexible in one's thinking on these issues. I have sent Albert a "yes" vote on his poll. My own feeling is that whether Happy participates actively in this list is entirely her own business. I, for one, am perfectly happy to have her aboard. It's up to her. As I understand it, the main obstacle to her having been among us from the beginning was the problem of economical access to the net, rather than any diffidence per se about joining our discussions on a panoply of topics. I don't know about any- one else, but I, personally cannot recall ever writing anything in these pages that I felt any urgency about it being insulated from her attention, were that an issue. So my "yes" for the record, I guess, really means "yes--if that's what she wants to do." Mitch ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 18:31:10 +1300 Subject: Rubberband Girl Well it may be dubious cause for celebration, but I was listening to the radio the other day - a friend was giving me a lift and he had his car radio tuned to a station which I think plays mainly dance type music - and I suddenly recognised the opening notes of Rubberband Girl :-) Now I know I've already said I'm not overly keen on it, but it was Kate on the radio :):):) But even better - this is the bit one might celebrate - I found out a moment later that it was the fifth most requested song that day!!! I'll try to find out if it gets onto the charts... (might be being a bit hopeful, but stranger things have happened :) As for me, you might not hear much from me for a while as my exams start next Friday (one on Friday, one on Saturday - great start :-( with my last one being on about the 10th of November... I'm not sure how the academic year is organised for the rest of the world, but good luck to anyone in a similar situation! Oh yes, my account here gets closed on the 13th of November I think, but I ought to have another one arranged by that stage - I'll let you know when I've got that sorted out, Jessica. I shudder to think how much mail I shall have to catch up on after exams... :) Bye for now - I'll try not to disappear entirely :) Philip .________________________________________. ._______. | __ _ ___ _ __ __ |\________/| | | / / | / \ | \ | | | | / | _ _ | _O_ | | \_ | | | | |__/ |__| | | \_ | / \/ \ | |/ | | / | | | | | | | | | / | \ / | |\ | | \__ \_ | \_/ | | | | |__ \__ | \ / | T W W | |________________________________________| \/ |_______| \ Philip Sainty: psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz \________/ / `-------------------------------------------------------' "This is where I want to be This is what I need" --KT ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 00:51:34 -0500 From: rsmith@wisp4.physics.wisc.edu (Randall K. Smith) Subject: Random notes Well, let's see...after seeing the comments about the movie Baraka, I was stunnned by the synchronicity..I just bought the soundtrack this evening. I'd never heard of the film, but the cover was interesting, and it had a DCD track. I figured any film that used music from DCD most likely used music from other sources that I don't know about but should. I've not even had a chance to give it a full listen, yet, but first impressions are that it is a fine album to listen to after a long day at work. I ended up just staring at the wall, listening and relaxing. (Once I was fully relaxed, I watched '12 Angry Men' with my housemate..a fine movie, BTW, but not very relaxing. Does anyone know if it's been remade? I see Schwartzenegger in the Fonda role...) In other music suggestions, let me recommend Marc Cohn, esp for people who liked Jane Siberry's Bound By the Beauty. People who thought BBtB sounded like country/western and therefore bad should stay away though. Let's see...certainly, I'd like to read Happy's perspective's on her music and others. I doubt it would chill debate--I'm reminded of a story told by Isaac Asimov about sitting in (unbeknowst to the instructor) on a class on Science Fiction. The class discussed his short story 'Nightfall' (now a book, I believe), and different meanings/interpretations of the story and so on. Afterwards, Dr. Asimov went up to the instructor and introduced himself, explaining that he hadn't put any of the ideas she had spoken of into the story. Her reply was on the order of, 'how would you know if you had or had not?' So, while I'd love to hear Happy'sinterpretations/thoughts/ suggestions, I wouldn't consider them definative. How could they be? I'm the only one listening with my ears. (I'm not trying to be argumentative here, and am not suggesting that anyone has argued differently...in fact, I'm mainly just babbling, I guess.) My 2 cents on the Border's debate...my understanding is that the firm was started by a couple of UMich graduates who wanted a nice bookstore and didn't want to leave Ann Arbor. The big difference is that they dreamed big, and started by developing a sophisticated book-tracking system so that keeping one or two of EVERYTHING in stock would work. Also, they capitalized on the underemployment of people with Masters and PhD's in English Lit and like degrees. In fact, nearly everyone I've asked at the help desk has some sort of degree in a literature-related field. So, big corporation or not, they're everything I want in a bookstore. What's happening in Madison? Well, there are already about 5 used book stores, and one store that competes directly with Borders, and yes, they have responded...by increasing their cafe business, and opening a small hotel above the store, a cosy place. I think Border's doesn't just compete with the small stores...it competes with every bookstore around. And blows them out of the water, especially places like Waldenbooks or Barnes & Noble. Border's has raised the bar for bookstores everywhere, and I applaud them. And, in closing, I'm going to be driving to Chi-town for the DCD concert...anyone interested in meeting afterwards for a chat & cup of coffee? (I'm also driving BACK to Madison, you see...) It would be nice to meet some more ecto-philes in person, instead of in 12 point type. :-) Boy, I'm talkative tonight. Perhaps I should post more often, in smaller chunks... Randy ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 12:19:22 MET From: Albert Philipsen Subject: Intermediate voting results mpower@jpmorgan.com (Marc Power) misquotes me: >> From awphili@cs.vu.nl Fri Oct 15 15:43:43 1993 >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 20:29:24 MET >> From: Albert Philipsen >> To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu >> Subject: I vote YES/NO for Happy on Ecto >> Content-Length: 62 >> >> Reply to this if you do/don't want to see Happy on Ecto. >> >> Albert >> > >You didn't ask my permission to join ecto, Albert, >Neither did I ask yours - Happy is free to do >whatever she chooses, just like the rest of us. > >My opinion is that I welcome all comers, if thats >what you are really asking, whether its Happy, Suzanne >Kevin, Peter Gabriel or Lemmy from Motorhead :) , or whoever >appreciates Happy's music/voice/talent/creativity. I agree completely with you. I suppose this counts as a YES vote on your part. The thing that bothered be in Bob Lovejoy's original message was that he assumed that the majority of the Ectophiles would be against Happy on Ecto. That's why I organised the voting. So far, of the 15 votes I received, only one was negative. Of course Happy can do whatever she wants. She can either choose to make life miserable for the NO voters and join Ecto, or disappoint the YES voters and not join Ecto. (Yes, I'm being optimistic. :-) Keep the votes coming... I love the personal mail! :-) Albert ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 08:54:38 -0400 (EDT) From: HOLLY@umbc2.umbc.edu Subject: Re: 21st Century Sound And Border Books > It's truly a shame that a great little store had to close down because > of Border, but having Border here seems to only offer better variety. I agree. I don't like to see independent stores getting mounched upon, but Borders does have a selection of goodies to be reckoned with. Holly ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 06:56:03 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Vollen./Saving Daylight/VR-to-RL/Tucson/Serveert -==- "Klaus Kluge" : > French/German channel ARTE aired a special about New Age on yesterdays > "Megamix" program. A main feature in it was about Andreas Vollenweider. Urgh, MTV and VH1 suck! However VH1 did play a video of his several years ago. I got to see him live, in Tucson even! :) > time. Most of his music has been instrumental, sometimes with the > addition of voices, but now he does songs with lyrics. They played a Hmm, I really like his stuff and I'm not sure about having lyrics in it. Guess I'll have to see. -==- pas@math.ams.org (Paula Shanks): >Daylight Savings time STARTS 2 a.m. the FIRST SUNDAY in April, and ends >the LAST SUNDAY in October. Except in Arizona, where daylight savings starts and ends at the same instant so we don't bother to change our clocks. :) Is there another state that doesn't have daylight savings? Hawaii maybe? I'm waiting for all the cable programs to be on an hour later when the other states change... -==- Cyberspazz : > >whether there are lists other than WORDS-L that have, so to speak, > >reversed the process; where the list is basic from which occasional > >actual meetings derive. I know of one other similar event. Six or eight ... > A good question, to which I confess I don't have a ready answer. Do Gaffa, > RDT, and other music lists/groups have the sort of offline interaction (or Here's a *very* brief history of my VR to RL encounters, many not music related but still: 84 Tucson BBS member get togethers. 89-present: U of A students into internet muds meet each other, start student run computer group where almost everyone meets on the computer first. Eventually we had parties, movie gatherings, etc, always meeting new faces. We often called each other by our VR names (Nighthawk in my case) since we didn't always know their real names until we met them. 89 LA, met some people from Caltech (I was working at JPL). 90 San Fran, about 8 players from Wash Yer Mud gathered for dinner in China town. Became friends with one closer-by. 91 Invited Ed Suranyi (from gaffa) over. 91 Went to San Jose Katemas and met all sorts of people. 91 Gatherings of people using the same email/news access service, coincidentally the friend from Wash Yer Mud showed up too since he was friends with the guy who ran the service (he didn't use it though)! More about muds, mucks, and mushes (mu*s for short): People using these often visit other people they have met in them that are states, even countries away. Several people have come to Tucson just to meet all the Tucsonans they've met over the net here. I know of many couples getting together this way, especially turning an intimately involved VR relationship into a RL one, which is very risky from my observational experience (this is very hard to explain if you haven't mushed or mucked). One of my friends married a guy from Australia, who now lives here. A fellow KT fan from New Zeland and mu*er came through here on his US "tour", staying at fellow mu*ers places. -==- Suspended In Duct Tape : > I was gone for a while. I went to Tucson on vacation. It was awesome. WHAT!!!!!!!! I'm in Tucson! What were you doing here?! > There is no Happy in Arizona. :( Yes there is! I've got Warpaint, which I bought mail-order when it first came out on CD (I know, I know, I need more... send me money :). I was in San Fran then. I know one other with it here. Someone in Ecto posted a list of stations she was played on, and one was in Tucson! I never listen to radio here (I gave up on it) so I don't know if it's really true. By coincidence, earlier tonight I tried calling a station to ask but no answer. Philip Sainty : > > I was gone for a while. I went to Tucson on vacation. It was awesome. > > Where's Tucson? What's there? 1. Arizona. 2. ME! Where's NZ? ;) -==- They *are* on Atlantic now so easy to get. I ordered mine from Noteworthy Music which doesn't yet have Happy I'm afraid. -==- With all this talk about charcater translation problems... has my .sig caused anyone problems or been totally indecipherable? It is all 7 bit chars but who knows. --- Alex R. Gibbs |\| | (~, ]-[ ~|~ ]-[ /-\ \/\/ ]< arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.ARIZONA.edu "I'm not the me I used to be." "Duct tape is like 'the force', it has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together..." -- Carl Zwanzig ======================================================================== From: ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 12:16:50 EDT Subject: Happy on Ecto I mean, is it like we talk about her all that much *anyway*? Is the primary argument against having her on, the fear that people won't talk about her so much anymore, 'cause it's not behind her back? I have been skimming the messages posted here over the past 2 months, and people don't even pretend to try to keep the topic on Happy by putting an obj.happy in the messages anymore. Yes, whenever happy comes out with a new album, or starts a tour, the mood changes, but in general, it's a forum of Happy fans, and I'm sure Happy will be interested in the content of this mailing list (which as I insinuated above, is mostly non-happy content anyway) just as much as any other subscriber would be... I'd personally love to see her on-line... It would certainly give *me* a renewed interest in the content of the mailing list (which lately now has been very low, since I don't have time to read most of what gets posted here anymore). And it won't be the first time a musician has gotten online... Henry Frayne is on 4ad-l. Tom Ellard (of severed heads) is on a buncha mailing lists. Some bands have "liasons", computer geeks who read newsgroups and mailing lists and forward stuff of interest to the band members. Vickie already does this for Happy. I've done it on occasion for Edward Ka-Spel, and Earle does it for Skinny Puppy. But my final point: the very *idea* that we are debating whether to *allow* happy to join the list is disgusting to me. How *dare* we even call for votes? If happy wants to join, she should be allowed to join. No discussion required. She's a person just like any other subscriber. that's my $2 worth (canadian dollars, that is, which is closer to US$.02 now). -- | Alan Ezust ezust@{binkley.}cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| This line is intentionally left blank. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 23:00 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: sorry about the screw-up > Poor Michael! Indeed! > ClNwZWFraW5nIG9mIHRoZSBDb2N0ZWF1cywgSSBoZWFyZCB0aGF0IHRoZXknbGwg > YmUgdG91cmluZyBzb29uICh3aXRoIGENCmRydW1tZXIpIHRvIHN1cHBvcnQgdGhl > ICAiTm93IEkgZ3Vlc3MgSSd2ZSBnb3R0YSB0ZWxsJ2VtICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg > Li4uZnJvbSB0aGUgbGFuZCBvZiBOZWxtc3QuLi4NCiAgIHRoYXQgSSd2ZSBnb3Qg > KioqDQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f > X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KDQo= > g'zoonheit! That's Gesundheit! ;-) Michael, maybe you should try to write your messages in a way that the MIME encoded stuff looks like one of those ASCII pictures Jorn posted to gaffa a while ago ;-) Would this be possible? Writing something that looks reasonable AFTER encoding it? To add to the fun here's some poetry that can be compiled and run and then even read on machines that are little-endian (i.e. that store the most significant byte of a word first). Unfortunately (;-)) PC's don't belong into this category. And your computer should use the ASCII character set. 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Bye, Uli ======================================================================== From: Mike Matthews Subject: Re: Happy on Ecto Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 14:03:30 -36803936 (EDT) Alan Ezust writes: > But my final point: the very *idea* that we are debating whether to > *allow* happy to join the list is disgusting to me. How *dare* we even > call for votes? If happy wants to join, she should be allowed to join. No > discussion required. She's a person just like any other subscriber. I don't think the vote is whether or not anyone will *allow* Happy. There are no restrictions on membership to this list, last time I checked. I think the vote's just to guage how people feel. When it comes down to it, all the votes only mean one thing -- people's opinion. If Happy wants to join, ain't much anyone can do about it. Heck, if there *were* anyone who could decide who can join Ecto and who can't (besides Jessica of course :-) ), it would be Happy anyway. She's the reason this list exists, and she's the one who weaves such incredible music that this list discusses as the 'backbone.' The fact that this list discusses just about anything is a mere side effect. You have to admit, though, it *has* generated some discussion.... ------ Mike Matthews, Mike_Matthews@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ There is no satisfaction in hanging a man who does not object to it -- G. B. Shaw ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 13:01 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Subject Hi Ho Ectorinos! Egad, the demise of the 20th Century Sound. I hadn't heard. This is a major loss. :( I drove there several times to see Ms. Rhodes. Many of you remember my earlier posts on the Great Conjunction of Coincidental, which took place at that very location. I am sad. Where will Happy have her Philadelphia Meet & Greets now? And what of Lenny, whose pioneering openness to new music was legend? Ah well. We must persevere. I picked up (was given) a copy of "Whatever", by Aimee Mann. It was nice, kinda poppy, pretty listenable. A Nice Album. FWIW, IMHO, PDQ... (note ellipses of Doom) Have been trying to get Susanne on the CMJ panel. Hope it all works out. Speaking of that recent post, I had mentioned most ectophiles would prefer to not have Happy as a regular reader here based on some responses given when she posted from Bob Brown's computer in the aforementioned 20th Century Sound. Some of you commented at that time that it would be uncomfortable to have Happy lurking here as we were writing about her music, which made sense to me at the time. I for one would not mind her being online with us, but she doesn't have net.access anyway. I've been trying to get Susanne on the net for a while too. Que sera, sera, say I. Backwards talk I. Enough for now. See youse later, as they say so quaintly hereabouts. And thereabouts as well. Bob the guy who signs off with a the something... ======================================================================== Subject: Re: your mail Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 18:24:28 PDT From: Eli Brandt > From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) (wrt Diamanda Galas' _Plague Mass_ (I think)) > i never said that one should force oneself to listen to it more than > once all the way through. i never got through it all the way a second > time. i take bits and pieces, here and there. I picked up a used copy of _Vena Cava_ a day or two ago. It's not really difficult to listen to, at least to me -- not grating on the ears, only intermittent screeching. But it's very dark material, and would probably clear a dance floor pretty fast. Galas' writing, presentation, and vocal technique are impressive. This is a powerful piece of work, and IMHO worth listening to, but I must say I took it out of the CD player after listening to it. I need a week or so to recover before thinking about giving it another spin... Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)