Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #807 ecto, Number 807 Friday, 15 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Jane Siberry concert addendum Re: Acoustic tendencies, or how to avoid Bon Jovi unsubcribe Re: Re: dcd and frippertronics Re: it's raining birds again... Re: The Spinach Inquisition A request ... Trojan Horse Re: promotion for Happy The Age of Innocence gross Re: Ticka Talka Happy Report from the hinterlands I vote YES for Happy on Ecto I vote NO for Happy on Ecto Seattle Ectohostel? the death of 21st century sound, and other stories Stuff ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 10:18:39 -0500 From: colford@clsn1231.noble.mass.edu (Michael Colford) Subject: Jane Siberry concert addendum Just found out that the tickets for the Jane Siberry concert in Boston I just posted about go on sale Tuesday, October 19. Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library | Reading, Massachusetts colford@college.noble.mass.edu | *North of Boston Library Exchange* -------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== From: C. Boek Subject: Re: Acoustic tendencies, or how to avoid Bon Jovi Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 15:51:54 MET Anthony writes ... > > Hi all, it's been quite a week here in Melbourne, a city currently playing > host to Bon Jovi, who are being pandered to by every hanger-on not invited to > the Kim Wilde party and who insist on turning up in record stores tailed by > more photographers than usually follow the Royal Family. Why, I don't know. > There's better music to be had for those who want to look for it... > > I went along to see Margot Smith at a dreadful pub called Arcadia on Thursday > night; one of those ones where everyone completely ignores the poor performer > and instead has high-volume discussions on the merits of the Olympic bid. > With no proper amplification, Margot and her two acoustic guitarists (one of > whom was Michael Wade, who co-wrote a lot of the album) were all but drowned > out by drunken rambling. Afterward, I cornered Margot to buy her a beer and > thank her for the album, and she insisted on buying me a beer to thank me for > the review of said album, so as with all beer-buying escapades, a long > conversation followed, and now Margot knows all about Ecto, and asked if I > could do a tape of some Happy for her. I did a quick compilation the next > day, and took it in to the Cherry Tree where she was playing Friday night. > Geeze I pick great times to leave the country don't I :) Nice story ... I'll have to make sure I go and see her when I get back ... Chris. ======================================================================== From: c.furnald@genie.geis.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 15:22:00 BST Subject: unsubcribe unsubcribe cancel my address from the list, it's more than I can afford to download every day! adios ======================================================================== Date: 15 Oct 93 10:55:40 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Re: Re: dcd and frippertronics |I don't have I Advance Masked, but I have the other Fripp/Summers CD, and |there's some similarity. It's not much like late Crimson, which was |strongly influenced |by Belew. In fact, the last track wouldn't have been out of place on the |Fripp/Eno albums. Interesting stuff, though I have no idea if it's to |your tastes. Well, influenced by Belew perhaps, but the *last* Crimson album (I forget the title, something or other with elephants in one of the songs) is remarkably similar to the first few tracks on I advance masked, 1982. Uncannily similar. It's really good. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 12:34 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: it's raining birds again... > |When's the last time a world hit was in Greek? Or turkish? Or finnish? > > Good question. I would say this was just another failure of the > (in particular, though not exclusively, American) music industry, > radio, etc. in promoting or "feeding" listeners anything other > than predictable hits (for the most part). It reminds of a girl This sounds a bit ethnocentric again ;-)... why is it that US radio stations define world hits? But anyhow - German stations at least play mostly English stuff or aren't listened to by younger people. As Klaus said before it's more easy to overhear silly lyrics if they are in English, and good German lyrics are RARE. Most German music listeners don't give a sh*t about lyrics. I don't know about other countries, maybe it's the same. Bye, Uli ======================================================================== From: C. Boek Subject: Re: The Spinach Inquisition Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 16:08:47 MET Erik (the not-viking) writes ... > WretchAwry writes: > |> Great! A Chicagoian goes west young man. Giordano's? How about Carmen's? > |> SteveF & Christo had Giordano's, but next time I'll take them to Carmen's > |> because the crust is *much* better! > Well, last time I was in Chicago (has it really been 8 years? aigh!) > Giordano's was still the ultimate. However, times may have changed, and > next time I'm out there I'll have to do Carmen's. > While I would not wish to slight the pizza that was served in Chicago ... I would like to add that the best pizza I have ever eaten was made in Lygon St, Carlton (Melbourne) Australia. The restaurant was called 'Gran Sasso'. I also like 'Ciro's' because it's nice pizza and very cheap ($5.70 for a large pizza). Pizza in Leiden seems OK. I've only had it once, and then only a Margherrita (sp?), which is after all the traditional Italian pizza (so says my Italian housemate). Having said that, the Giordano's pizza was certainly an experience .. nowhere else have I seen the double decker thing. I've yet to go to Italy, but give me a chance :) Chris. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 11:19:14 -0400 (EDT) From: michael welker Subject: Re: dcd and frippertronics On 14 Oct 1993, Mike Mendelson wrote: > IMHO, Aion is the BEST (by far) album by DCD that I have heard. > I'm not sure whether I have heard all of them, but I have heard > The Serpent's Egg, and a couple of others, plus the > new one, and Passage in Time. Have you heard "Within the Realm..."? If not, I will send you it & then if you still say Aion is their best by far, I will eat my shoe > Labyrinth isn't nearly as catchy as Aion. Aion is more melodic > *and* more percussive (if that's makes any sense). "catchy?" ala "Black sun in a white world" ? ======================================================================== From: C. Boek Subject: A request ... Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 16:25:56 MET Hello all, I found out today that Peter Gabriel will be playing in Dortmund on 10 November. It costs f130 for tickets (including a bus there and back). I was wondering if the German ectophiles could tell me (if they know) how much the tickets are to buy for the show alone as I'm not sure if they're available in any other form here ... Secondly, Is anyone else interested in going, as I will almost certainly be there!! ... And I thought I wouldn't get a chance to go .... YAY :) Chris. ======================================================================== Date: 15 Oct 93 12:17:21 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Trojan Horse Troy sez: |1. concerning the inate musical skills subject: | |when i was in my senior year on my Music degree I got asked a billion |questions on this very subject. Seems a woman at USC was doing phD on the |subject of music and inheritance. | |Get this: she found that musical skill must be genetic since every |person interviewed {something like 758 for |stats} had a relative within 2 connections {that is to say if not parent, |then |uncle/aunt/grandparent} who was musically inclined. Not all |respondents were in Music programs, something like 8% were. Get this, |she nearly lost her lunch on me since neither of my parents can even |carry a tune {unless it's to the dumpster} |yet my paternal grandmother and her _entire_ family are muscial nut cases |{she's one of 13 kids, all musically talented}. Go figure. I'm not sure I understand what exactly you're saying here. Was her finding that every *Musical* person has musical people in their lineage, or that every *person*, regardles of musical inclination, has musical people in their family? Did she interview just musical people, or random people? What was her thesis? -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 13:20:56 EDT From: Laura Frank Clifford Subject: Re: promotion for Happy >PS I still think we should all go together and by a quarter-page add for >Happy in one issue of PULSE! You can't go wrong when they only charge $700.00 >{at least that's what it sounds like when you read their ad rates.} > >************************** >Troy J. Shadbolt Hey - I think this is a GREAT idea - wouldn't her fans buying her an ad in itself be newsworth, as well? If this gets off the ground, count me in! Laura ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 13:29:59 EDT From: Laura Frank Clifford Subject: The Age of Innocence >And I guess it's no longer a big deal to notice Enya in the movie >theaters. IN fact, I'm more surprised if I can manage to go to the >theater and not here an Enya song. But, I'll mention anyway that >there she is, tucked in amongst a lot of Mozart, in The Age of >Innocence. Of the four of us that saw it here, I was the only one >that liked it, and even I only thought there was a solid movie in >about the middle 45 minutes of it. Much preferred was The Joy Luck ... >Neal Geeeeezzz, of the 105 films I've seen in a theater this year, The Age of Innocence is my favorite. That may change when we see 'Short Cuts' next week, though.... Just what didn't you like about it? Laura ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 10:53:35 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Re: dcd and frippertronics > Well, influenced by Belew perhaps, but the *last* Crimson album > (I forget the title, something or other with elephants in one > of the songs) is remarkably similar to the first few tracks > on I advance masked, 1982. Uncannily similar. It's really good. That would be _Discipline_, a truly excellent elpee's worth of toons. "Bibble! Babble! Bobble! Bicker bicker bicker! Brouhaha! Balderdash! It's only talk! Back talk!" - "Elephant Talk", by KC, which cracks me up every time D^2 ======================================================================== Date: 15 Oct 93 14:22:36 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: gross No sooner does Klaus post this: |The source of this songs was quoted as being from the movie "Baraka". |Does anyone have any information about this movie? than Neal posts this: |Last night I saw the film Baraka, which features the music of Dead Can |Dance as well as a host of others. Man, this group is on top of things, it's GROSS!!!! You people are *just* too much. Who *needs* newspapers! -mjminacontinuinglyexpandedstateofaweandillbeinanaheimdec13-17anyectopeopl eoutthere?shark? ======================================================================== From: jk101920@ee.tut.fi (Kannisto Juha) Subject: Re: Ticka Talka Happy Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 20:37:14 EET > ...She > bought Clannad's "Banba" and likes some of it. It's the first she's > ever heard Clannad. I told her to get Maire's solo album. I just got Clannad's Banba, Anam and Pastpresent myself, and I love them! I only dubbed the first two from a friend, but actually purchased Pastpresent, which says a lot since I just moved and had to buy this and that... Didn't leave too much money for cds :( I should be able to order the happy-cds I don't yet have pretty soon though :) This friend of mine thinks Happy has a very interesting voice, she said that after being exposed to Ashes to Ashes, Ode and I Say (i.e. to Happy) for the very first time. > *Hugs* to all and to all a nightly night Juha! > > Vickie > I second that :) Yes, I've been in a lurker-mode for a while... Studying a lot? Mentally paralyzed or something... Night all :) Juha -- Juha Kannisto O jk101920@cc.tut.fi O I have a friend in Phobos O Savikukonkatu 21 O jk101920@ee.tut.fi O At times I think I'm almost there O 33530 Tampere O jk101920@cs.tut.fi O * Happy Rhodes * O Finland O +358-31-560941 O ~~~~~~~~~~~~ O ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 12:07:42 -0700 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Report from the hinterlands Well, the grey weather has returned to Seattle. The fallen leaves are turning to dust with that familiar nostalgic smell. The highlight of this week was last night's poetry reading by our very own Neile Graham, "wild-eyed poetradical" from the rocky Canadian shore. I think she's quite an excellent poet. Anyway, the small theatre was packed; and we also heard another local author, Lydia Minatoya, read her work. On the musical front, things have been more ridiculous than sublime. The most recent 'headliner' to perform was Tiny Tim. Enough said. ----- Michael Peskura -- University of Washington -- Seattle USA ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 20:28:30 MET From: Albert Philipsen Subject: I vote YES for Happy on Ecto Robert lovejoys: >Hi there, > Susanne wanted to join the CMJ panel (thanks Vickie!) so I wrote to >Brian M., who replied that he'd forward her name to CMJ but it might be a >problem because neither Susanne or Happy have net.access. I wrote back >explaining my (and Vickie's) role(s) as semiofficial liasons, and added that >in all probability, most of ecto would prefer not to see Happy post and read >regularly. This encourages open and varied discussion. We shall see >what transpires. I definitely do not agree. I would *LOVE* to see Happy on Ecto, and have an open and varied discussion with her. :-) I would really like to know what your opinions about this are, but to keep things simple, I'll organise a voting. If you want to see Happy on Ecto, please send me an empty reply to this message (so I won't have to sift through all the message bodies). Make sure the word 'YES' appears in the subject line. If you're afraid of Happy :-), please send me an empty reply to the message I will post after this one with the subject 'I vote NO for Happy on Ecto'. Make sure the word 'NO' appears in the subject line. I will post the results next Friday. (Your votes will be anonymous.) Albert ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 20:29:24 MET From: Albert Philipsen Subject: I vote NO for Happy on Ecto Reply to this if you don't want to see Happy on Ecto. Albert ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Seattle Ectohostel? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 12:40:37 PDT Well, this is totally last-minutey and unreasonable, but are there any Ectohostellers nearish the University of Washington willing to put up a Canadian (put up with? :) for tonight and tomorrow night? I'm attending the CPSR (Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility - quite a mouthful!) conference on computer networking, democracy, accessibility and other fun stuff, and am travelling on student funds. I'd promise at least one interesting Canadian CD, though. :) Thanks! - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 15:57:39 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: the death of 21st century sound, and other stories hi all. i just spent $100 that i don't have on cd's. why? because they were all 25% off. no no, the real reason... because emily is going (as i speak/type) back up to rochester. sigh. other than em going home, i got 2 other bits of bad news yesterday, one of which is HR relevant, one not. first, the not: a friend of mine called me yesterday from the eastern pennsylvania psychiatric inst. she apparently had a real bad episode the other day, which is really a shame since she seemed to be getting her life under control really well since she got out of the above inst. only 1.5 months ago. :( so i'll be visiting her later today. the other bad news is that 21st century sound in bryn mawr, pa, is going out of business. for those that don't know, lenny at 21st C sound has been very supportive of happy, and the store was crowded with ectophiles (none of whom i knew at the time) and other happy fans when she did her signing thing there back at the beginning of this year. i also remember 21st C sound as being the first store in the philly area to cater entirely to cd's; back in the dark ages when most record stores only had cd's of the most popular bands, 21st C sound would make a point of stocking more obscure things, like kate bush and peter gabriel (back when he was obscure) and king crimson and so on. apparently, lenny's being driven out of business by border's books and music, which recently opened up nearby, in a more convenient location with a bigger sign and a larger space, basically doing now what he had broken the ground for in the beginning. :( sigh. beginning of anti-corporate lecture: from what i understand, border's is owned by k-mart. k-mart then began reproducing 1000nds of these very nice, very useful, very comprehensive but all as uniform as mcdonald's book stores all over the country. places like border's (and tower records, as well) compete directly not with the pathetic mass consumer shops like waldenbooks or sam goodies or b. dalton or strawberries, but with independant shops like (in philadelphia) libris books and house of our own books. borders and tower have the financial and spacial capacity to stock everything, so they do. the smaller, independant stores can't hope to compete with that, because even if they could afford to buy everything, they wouldn't have the space to store it. however, it is only with a diversity of shops that we can really guarentee any sort of quality and diversity. places like tower and borders bring the obscure, the unique, the genuinely valuable into the same sort of mass-market economy that dominates the best-sellers lists and the top 40 pop charts. my strategy of purchasing is to go to independant stores first, and if they don't have what i want, i can order it. if for some reason i can't wait then i'll go to a chain/corporate store. i don't follow this all the time, but when i'm being rational i try to. i hope that as many people as possible will help me in supporting the small and local business people out there, many of whom are people with a dream and a vision, rather than corporations with profit charts. oh, by the way, everything at 21st C sound is 25% off, until they run out of music. lenny is hoping, if he can raise enough money, to open another music store somewhere else. my contribution got me the following, in the order that i put them in the cd changer: peter hammill _a black box_ (very good by the way) patti smith _wave_ (if you listen closely you can hear it now :) jane siberry _bound by the beauty_ (still haven't found _the walking_ anywhere in this city) happy rhodes _warpaint_ (would have been first, but i've already heard it-- thanks, bob lovejoy) pogues _peace and love_ and not in the cd machine yet is the king crimson boxed set _the great deceiver: live 1973-1974_ (to be distinguished from the other king crimson boxed set that is 3 cd's of stuff from albums and one of live stuff). not bad for $100 bucks, eh? now i just have to figure out how to pay the plastic (good song name there...) incidentally: this is the first thing i've typed since august 4th that has used both hands. yes folks, i am out of my sling, and even tho i still can't use my arm, i can put my hand in the right place on the keyboard and TYPE WITH 2 HANDS AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!! OH! HAPPY! HAPPY! RHODES! RHODES! oops. that was supposed to be happy happy joy joy. oh well. ;^> i think this is long enough by now... c y'all later. maybe i'll even get to read my email before my account blows up, now that my SO isn't distractin' me away from my 'pooter... :> :( ?? but first i'm gonna eat lunch. bi brni ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 16:22:05 EDT From: Tamar Boursalian Subject: Stuff Hi! I just skimmed through about 20 digests because I've been so busy these past couple of weeks. Sometimes I forget how much stuff piles up in just a couple of weeks! Anyway, I have a few questions and comments: I just bought Fairport Convention's "Liege and Lief" yesterday--great stuff! My question is what year was this album made? I couldn't find it anywhere on the CD. Anybody? A friend of mine was asking me recently if I've heard of Mary Lou Lords. I haven't, have you? He says he thinks she's from Boston and he wants to know where (if anywhere) he can find her stuff. Anyone going to see Robin Holcomb at the Buttonwood Tree in Middletown, CT tomorrow night? Meredith? Chris S? Having seen Steve Hackett's name mentioned here a couple of times, I just wanted to add that I *LOVE* his music! Has anyone heard his new album (pretty new, maybe a few months) "Guitar Noir"? I only could find it on import here, so when a friend of mine went to England for a conference, I made him get one for me. It's really great, but I think "Spectral Mornings" is still my favorite. That's all for now. Have a great weekend! --Tamar (boutame@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu) P.S. Marc Power: If you're reading this, I'm really, truly sorry I haven't gotten back to you. I've been amazingly busy since my vacation, so I'll get an email off to you soon! ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. 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