Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #785 ecto, Number 785 Tuesday, 5 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Hans Zimmer Re: The Story (DO NOT SEE "THE GROUP" live!) ecto/britain/bird Another brilliant diectosis and other stories Tralfamadore Re: brni's latest post Re: Devo Come on, get Happy! This duffs for you who doggy, watch those addresses! vote "YES" for the EEP (European Ecto Party) German bands - English lyrics (resend) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 14:05:21 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Hans Zimmer Brian bloomed: >Does Hans Zimmer have any cd's out? I know he has at least one out, called "Escape From Television". I've almost bought it a few times. You'll probably find that and any of his other releases in the newage bin. D^2 ======================================================================== From: composer@beyond.dreams.org (Jeff Kellem) Subject: Re: The Story (DO NOT SEE "THE GROUP" live!) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 17:12:22 EDT On the ecto mailing list, Alan Ezust wrote... > The Story have two albums out now, Grace In Gravity, and Angel In The > House, on Elektra records. They're from Boston. I think they are > absolutely incredible when they play live as a DUO, but having just come > from the concert they gave at the Sommerville Theater on Saturday, I have > the following advice to you: DO NOT SEE THE "BAND" CONCERT! MAKE SURE IT > IS THE DUO SHOW and you will be very happy you saw them. > > The reason? > > The producer is also the drummer. He's very impressed with his ability to > make loud sonds on precussions while two women are singing their hearts > out in front of him. I wanted to kill that guy. ugh. I disagree. I saw the latter half (because of schedule juggling) of that same show and enjoyed it. I recommend seeing them as the duo AND with the band. Just another opinion... -jeff Jeff Kellem Internet: composer@Beyond.Dreams.ORG ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 17:16:11 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: ecto/britain/bird hi there, and a fuzzy blue welcome to greg. >From: "Greg O'Rear" > >ObEcto: I have not as yet heard a single utterance by Happy Rhodes. > well, what the heck are ya waitin' fer son? this ain't no time to be dilly-dallyin' and runnin' around listening to other cd's. get out there and find yourself a nice _ecto_, one thatcha wouldn't be ashamed ta bring home and introduce to yer ma. don't just stand there flappin' yer lips, run along. *********************************** >From S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Tue Oct 5 08:42:49 1993 >> >Hmmm. Ever heard of a small offshore island in Europe called Britain? >> britain is that little island just below italy, right? > >Well, close, ... ish! :-) :-) > wait wait, ah'll figger this one out. got me one o' them newfangled map things, whatchacallem?--named after that body- builder feller, er, atlas, thats it, atlas. but my pa stole it. the island by italy is the one where alla them chicago mobsters comes from, right? so britain's gotta be the one over by israel and lebanon (so THATS where that bologna comes from). [note: i once saw a senior history major do this exact search pttern looking for britain on a map of europe (after the prof realized that she really DIDN'T know that scotland wasn't in central europe). it was so pathetic that i got my applications to transfer out of that school the same day.] [note # 2: please be aware that i expect to be appropriately cited if anyone decides to take the bait and do her/his dissertation on "THE POLITICS OF LUNCHMEAT"] >holidays. Hopefully it should make sense now... > yes, it does. pity. i really am a fan of dada-esque sense-resistant sorts of things. >Calling somebody a "duffer" would be regarded as rather quaint these >days, but the related adjective "duff" meaning "worthless or >counterfeit" is still fairly current, so I would expect the meaning of >"duffer" to be accessible to most educated inhabitants of this little >island just below Italy. > i think i remember hearing the word "duff" used in reference to the part of the body used for sitting. that'd be a US usage (of the word, not the part), by the way. anyone else able to confirm that, or am i really just losing it? **************************************** >From: Mike Mendelson > >|swingin' with parker's band, >|i remain >|brni > >Well, with that oblique Steely Dan reference, has anyone ever ahem. that MAY have been an oblique steely dan reference, but it was a real charlie parker reference, as i was listening to him and to thelonious monk yesterday. >seen something called Hoops McCann Band Plays the Music of Steely >Dan, which is supposed to be a Jazz-cover album of SD songs? >After hearing about this, I discovered that Hoops is mentioned in >a Gaucho song. But I've never seen anything by the Hoops McCann >Band. Is it real? > probably. what could be real, uh, interesting would to hear philip glass' _hoops mccann band plays the music of steely dan synphony_, performed by the kronos quartet. or not. :) sing while you may, brni ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 15:19:30 CDT From: Modems Because Subject: Another brilliant diectosis and other stories Brni presents with the following symptoms: >>Actually, the Golden Palominos album with the songs you're referring to is >>_Visions of Excess_, which I believe is their second. >> >_visions of excess: selected writings, 1927-1939_ by georges bataille, >ed. & trans. by allan stoekl. (1985: university of minesota press, minneapo >lis) > >bataille shares a position with nietzsche as grandparent of >post-structuralism. > >gotta wonder what the DMC-III would say about all of this. mitch? The likeliest classic symptom, given the tendency to repeat the phrase "visions of excess," is described in _DSM-III-R_ as follows: :-) >PERSEVERATION. Persistent repetition of words, ideas or subjects so that, >once a person begins speaking about a particular subject or uses a partic- >ular word, it continually recurs. Perseveration differs from the repetitive >use of "stock words" or interjections such as "you know" or "like." > Examples: "I think I'll put on my hat, my hat, my hat, my hat." Inter- >viewer: "Tell me what you are like, what kind of person you are." Subject: >I'm from Marshalltown, Iowa. That's 60 miles northwest, northeast of Des >Moines, Iowa. And I'm married at the present time. I'm 36 years old. My >wife is 35. She lives in Garwin, Iowa. That's 15 miles southeast of Marsh- >alltown, Iowa. I'm getting a divorce at the present time. And I am at pres- >ent in a mental institution in Iowa City, Iowa, which is 100 miles southeast >of Marshalltown, Iowa." > Perseveration is most commonly seen in Organic Mental Disorders, Schizo- >phrenia, and other psychotic disorders." (p. 403) While transcribing the above, I spontaneously remembered that the late Jean Seberg, once the golden girl of Jean-Luc Godard's films, originally hailed from Marshalltown. She was eventually driven to insanity by systematic FBI harass- ment, inspired by her leftist politics. Wonder if there's something about that place that creates a susceptibility :-). Wonder if any legitimate psychiatrists reading the last line of Brni's original comment will be inspired to start a rap act called Run DMC-III? :-) Holly comments on the form letter from the White House email office: >Oh, no! Marsha Scott, the Deputy Assistant to the President and Director >of Correspondence and Presidential Messages, split an infinitive! >Horrors! It could be worse. I'm old enough to remember when a lot of women were predisposed to react in about that same way to splitting an elongated finger- nail (at least, that's the impression I got from TV commercials of the period). If anything, the choice of stuff to get bent out of shape about has gotten more rational in the last 30 years or so. Do I remember correctly when I dredge up the memory of woj's post over the weekend, in which it's reported that Meg Hentges has migrated from Two Nice Girls to Christian rock? If so, maybe it's just the mention of the Firesign Theatre in these pages coming so close in time; but I'm reminded of the sketch by Cheech and Chong (if I remember correctly) in which a street evangelist preaches: "I was all messed up on drugs. Then I found the Lord. Now I'm all all messed up on the Lord." WRT the homongous import duties slapped by UK Customs and Excise on Happy's music: would it help if the disks were packaged as a gift from Happy Rhodes, perhaps listing her real street address in Bearsville? Something tells me that if the creative imagination behind Beavis and Butthead had been living on the other side of the pond, Americans would now be watching it on PBS instead of MTV, under the title "Duffers." :-) No doubt commercial American TV would try to come up with a knockoff. The continuing discussion in these pages of rock stars' private label merchan- dise has inspired me to resume consolidating my posts since 1991 on the topic of Ecto private label merchandise in a single virtual location. I still think my ideas were better than what the competition apparently came up with back in the real world. The discussion of the Duran Duran soap probably sensitized me to this one: This morning's paper reported that one candidate for president of the Cook County Board has been handing out promotional bars of soap, as a metaphor for her determination to clean up county government. The item continued that a 10-year-old who had been deputized to hand them out had to be implored not to suggest that recipients take a bath with the premiums in question. Go figure. All that, in turn reminded me of the last aldermanic election in Chicago, in which a candidate named Tim Piech handed out promotional campaign peaches, to the point of getting busted for electioneering when he tried to distribute them at polling places on election day. The first time I heard of this, I drew the conclusion that it may have been just as well that his victorious opponent, Ted Mazola, didn't get the same idea :-). Mitch -------------------- "Your mother was white?" --Terry Gross to Lani Guinier on today's _Fresh Air_ (NPR) "She still is." --Guinier to Gross ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 16:46:32 CDT From: Subject: Tralfamadore Re Dan R.'s post: It's spelled as per above, and is taken from Vonnegut's _Slaughterhouse 5_. My first term as a TA, I gave a quiz with the bonus question "What really became of Montana Wildhack?," and one student actually answered that she and Billy Pilgrim were getting it on on the planet T., and even drew a picture of a Tralfamadorian (a plunger with a hand growing out of the end of the handle, with an eye in the heel of the hand). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 16:59:39 CDT From: Subject: Re: brni's latest post "Duff" is indeed a slang expression for the glutes, as they are often called in the pages of _Muscle and Fitness_. Hoops McCann is a pseudonym under which somebody notable recorded that album of Steely Dan covers, but I forget who it is. If you're really curious, you might ask at the jazz newsgroup, rec.music.bluenote . Off to see if the White Sox take the first step toward a sweep :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 18:20:27 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) hi there. >> >>gotta wonder what the DMC-III would say about all of this. mitch? > >The likeliest classic symptom, given the tendency to repeat the phrase >"visions of excess," is described in _DSM-III-R_ as follows: :-) > well, i just had to say "oops." oops. someday i'll have to get me a copy of this thing. last time i looked at it it was still -R-less. in other words--its been a long time. >Wonder if any legitimate psychiatrists reading the last line of Brni's original >comment will be inspired to start a rap act called Run DMC-III? :-) > better yet, a sort of pogues/rap hybrid called Rum-DMC-III-R. >Do I remember correctly when I dredge up the memory of woj's post over the >weekend, in which it's reported that Meg Hentges has migrated from Two Nice >Girls to Christian rock? If so, maybe it's just the mention of the Firesign >Theatre in these pages coming so close in time; but I'm reminded of the sketch >by Cheech and Chong (if I remember correctly) in which a street evangelist >preaches: "I was all messed up on drugs. Then I found the Lord. Now I'm all >all messed up on the Lord." > hey, sounds like what happened to Kansas's kerry livgren. its also reminescent of some of the sampled voices on Consolidated's album _friendly fascism_. and while we're talking about merchandise, does anybody out there have that devo plastic hair, or the devo red plastic flowerpots? avoiding housework, i remain brni ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 15:24:59 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: Devo I don't have the flowerpots nor the plastic hair, but I do have the little DEVO pin (badge or button) in the shape of the flowerpot hats. I must say that DEVO's concert in San Francisco (preserved for posterity by the King Biscuit Flower Hour) was a most excellent concert. I was highly entertained. -- John ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 15:34:17 -0700 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Come on, get Happy! Hey, i received my tape dubs of the 1993 Happy Birthday Project today! Thanks, Doug. Now, to get off my duff and go home to listen to them! Mp ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 15:35:45 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: This duffs for you I see independent confirmation of the Beavis and "Duff"head variety has already arrived, but no mention yet of the favorite beer of one Homer SImpson.... Duff's. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 15:56:38 PDT From: tjshadb@ecto.sandia.gov (Troy J. Shadbolt) Subject: who doggy, watch those addresses! well, i really hate having multiple addresses, but please take note: if you want to send mail to Troy Shadbolt (that's me) send to either: tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov or tjshadb@ceti.csustan.edu i've been taking flak for getting messages at sandia.gov - which is a teletype (yes, that ten ton pile of paper is messages). anyway, later ********************** Troy J. Shadbolt tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov accept no imitations! ********************** ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 23:00:14 Subject: vote "YES" for the EEP (European Ecto Party) Geoff volunteered first: :) > I think a Eurecto Fest would be a great idea! I think the UK > just wins out over Germany for having the most Ectophiles this > side of the pond, so perhaps we should host the first one. Actually, we had the pleasure of hosting the first european ectoparty already 19 months ago (but you can still make it the 2nd ;). But ectosyncronicity strikes again, as I was already preparing to announce an ectoparty in Wuppertal in mid-November, as some of you already know. Cambridge is definitely a nicer city than Wuppertal! Maybe we should check which venue would attract more people and make that the "official" ectoparty. Of course there shouldn't be a reason why we can't have both (or even more), preferably not on the same weekend, as I'm tempted to see Cambridge again. So my suggestion would be mid-November in Wuppertal. The precise date isn't fixed yet, it depends on your preferences and the response of a possible Guest of Honour. Please let me know if you're interested in coming at that time, and which weekend you'd prefer. Cheers, Klaus. PS: only 4 days until we'll see Dead Can Dance _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 07:02:52 Subject: German bands - English lyrics (resend) The following message bounced back to me. Some seem to have seen it. It's my guess that it went to subscribers who get single mail. I never saw it in a digest. Sorry if _you_ see it again. - - - - - - - Resend Message Follows - - - - - - - > From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:25:53 > Subject: German bands - English lyrics Don't think that I've cought up with ecto digests, I'm still three weeks into the past, but I do scan the accumulated messages for a couple of keywords and a recent message from mjm got a hit. > So what exactly is the deal with this group and, say, Bobo, > and any other group in a foreign (esp. Eur.) country writing > and singing songs in English. There are two major reasons, but remember that I can only speak for the situation in Germany here: - singing in English will increase the market potential, on the foreign markets as well as on the local market - English is a much better language to sing than German I'll write a bit more about this later. > Are the members of these groups German natives? In most cases they are. The exception, refering to Rainbirds and Bobo iwwh, is Andi McGuinness, which shouldn't be too hard to guess. > Is it available in UK/Aust/NZ? What is their audience? A glance into the latest "CD International" reveals: - both Bobo CDs have only been released in Germany - "Rainbirds" in USA, UK and Germany - "Call me..." in UK, Germany and Japan - "Two Faces" in UK and Germany The audience is the general group of people who are interested in pop/rock music. > Is there that large an English-speaking population in Germany > itself? Or, are they originally from some other, English-speaking > country? People who have English as their native tongue aren't a big enough group to be a major target for local record sales, but English has been the most important foreign language at schools for decades. This, of course, is only valid for former West Germany, as Russian was the most "popular" language in the former GDR. Katharina Franck from Rainbirds is the daughter of a german diplomat, and was raised outside of Germany, so she's probably more familiar with English. Wolfgang mentioned that on the first Rainbirds concert he visited, Katharina kept speaking English to her German audience. Bobo, as you might recall from earlier postings, is from the east, and as she always has been singing in English, had no chance to get any support from *the* state controlled record company. Under these conditions you won't be surprised to hear that there had been a lot of bands in the east who were singing German. To sing in English has been very popular for (west) german bands for quite a while. Take a look at Germanys hit charts and you will find most songs in English, and I would say that british groups were the major influences. So it's sometimes hard to tell where a band is from, if you hear them for the first time. (which reminds me: has someone heard of "Back to the planet"?) Here on Ecto I first heard from "Dark Orange" and when I had an album from them, found out that they were a local band. Many people were saying that you just couldn't sing a pop/rock song in German. English is much more flexible, allows more variations, so it's a lot easier to get good sounding lyrics in English. There had been a big wave of band singing in German about 15 years ago, but that disappeared after 2 or 3 years. There are still many singing in German, you can also find German Rap now, but it's unlikely you'll find them in other charts. Actually I don't like most of them. It's much easier for me to ignore stupid lyrics in English than in German. :) How many German artists do you know who are singing German? A couple of them were originally singing German but either switched to English or re-released English tracks or albums in English to get some international recognition and releases. Nena, Kraftwerk, Nina Hagen, Peter Schilling, Spliff come to my mind here. I think I should also mention Peter Gabriel who released two (or was that three) of his albums in German as well. Unfortunately I can't stand them. The music is the same but the translation of the lyrics just ruins them for me. > Two Faces is the best thing I've heard since the Dreaming. Period. You won't see me disagreeing to this statement, although sometimes a couple of other albums occupy this place as well. > So, does anyone know if Ha! Ha! Houdini's Laughing is in some way > related to you-know-what? Haven't heard anything from the band about it, so I can only guess. It would be: no. Returning to read old Ecto digests I remain... ...Klaus _____ Klaus "Cosmic Vagabond" Kluge --*-- klaus@inphobos.wupper.de If you catch me in the mood, I'm your sister, mother, beast or lover possibly you'll find me inmidst this multitude. -Dob Russkin- (another German band) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 16:24:02 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: German bands - English lyrics (resend) Klaus writes: >I think I should also mention Peter Gabriel who released two (or was >that three) of his albums in German as well. Unfortunately I can't >stand them. The music is the same but the translation of the lyrics >just ruins them for me. Oddly enough, I prefer the German versions of the two albums, Peter Gabriel III ("melt") and Peter Gabriel IV ("security"). That's probably because I don't understand German. I think I must have been overexposed to the English versions, and the German gives a new twist to the original idea. The mixes are different, sometimes longer, sometimes with different backing vocals. An entirely different experience. -- John ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)