Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #783 ecto, Number 783 Tuesday, 5 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Tomorrow's your birthday friend.... Re: Humph! Duffers revealed Eurecto Fest Bowie Hello Re: Siberry Breaches PBS Beachhead Stuff. Am I *Klausing* or is this just stuff? :-) kate posters.. Dead Can Dance in the SF Bay Area? ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 22:58:37 Subject: Re: Tomorrow's your birthday friend.... Looks like this should just go to me... ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > From: Philip Sainty > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 09:49:46 +1300 > Subject: Re: Tomorrow's your birthday friend.... Oh dear... I've been too busy to read ecto for several days, so once again I have a silly number of messages to read... Happy Birthday to Kelly for last Wednesday!!! and as it's Monday morning here, Happy Birthday Michael!!! I was fortunate (or not as the case may be) to notice that the MTV Music Video Awards were being shown over here (with no announcement, and at 1.00am I might add - which seems strange, as they were very keen to advertise the MTV Movie Awards recently...) so I taped it. I imagine I'll get around to watching the rest of it over the next few days... btw, are the music video awards (I managed to type "mucis video awards" there... ewww) anything like the movie awards seemed to be in that there were about 6 movies, of which at least 3 seemed to be in every single catagory? Oh yes, I finally got to see "Beavis and Butthead" through this programme, and if that was a typical example of them, then I harbour serious doubts as to the sanity of the average MTV viewer... I mean... ?????... I think the release date for The Red Shoes had changed again last time I read gaffa (a number of days ago) Arrrrgggghhh!!!! I could bear the waiting if I at least knew for certain when it would be out!!!!! :(:(:( (Much fuzzies (although they probably aren't on Ecto to see this) to the person who posted the words to "Bazooka" :) a short while back on gaffa - it was greatly appreciated) Well I have a lot to read, so I'll say bye-bye for now... (whoops! I see that Kelly has just this minute beaten me to it for the birthday wishes! (although it's a day in advance from her point-of-view :) Philip .________________________________________. ._______. | __ _ ___ _ __ __ |\________/| | | / / | / \ | \ | | | | / | _ _ | _O_ | | \_ | | | | |__/ |__| | | \_ | / \/ \ | |/ | | / | | | | | | | | | / | \ / | |\ | | \__ \_ | \_/ | | | | |__ \__ | \ / | T W W | |________________________________________| \/ |_______| \ Philip Sainty: psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz \________/ / `-------------------------------------------------------' "This is where I want to be This is what I need" --KT ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Humph! Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 13:05:49 BST On Tue, 05 Oct 93 at 10:53:18 BST GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk wrote: > I've just received two copies of RhodeSongs (one for me and one for Terry) > and a copy of Equipoise (for one of my friends who I've converted :-) and > been charged #7.62 ($11.43) for the privilege of receiving them by the UK > customs and post office (#1.35 duty, #5.07 value added tax and #1.20 post > office clearance fee). Yeeouch!!!! I guess it's just random bad luck. The Royal Mail seem to pick on a small random sample of such packages and charge the full whack on them. The others they leave alone. From a sample of about fifty overseas mail order purchases in recent years I would estimate that about 10% of packages get the treatment. Checking the "gift" box works OK, but is a tad dishonest (if done by Aural Gratification Inc.). I have experience of the "Sample of merchandise" box *NOT* working! Not being in when the post is delivered can be a means of avoiding payment, I've had a couple of packages that were due for payment just put through the letterbox. Personally I think it's fair game, legally we *ARE* liable for those charges on things we import. > 2. Has anyone else noticed that the monster who appears on half the Equipoise > cover and in full in the RhodeSongs booklet has different coloured eyes - > is this another Bowie tribute? Could you explain how different coloured eyes might be a Bowie tribute? -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Duffers revealed Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 12:50:21 BST On Tue, 5 Oct 93 01:50:22 EDT mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) wrote: > steve fagg wrote: > >On 04 Oct 93 at 12:29:47 EDT Mike Mendelson wrote: > >> Is this caused mostly by America's influence? > >> I would sure guess so. > >Hmmm. Ever heard of a small offshore island in Europe called Britain? > britain is that little island just below italy, right? Well, close, ... ish! :-) :-) > you all (or should that be y'all) realize that the only reason > the language is still called "english" is out of a perverse > sense of nostalgia... Sometimes I really do wonder! :-) > >*** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** > > by the way, has the meaning of "duffers" ever been revealed? A few times, but I'm happy to explain again. The word "duffers" is the plural of the word "duffer" which the Oxford dictionary defines as an "inneficient or stupid person". The quote is taken from a children's book called "Swallows & Amazons", the first of a series of twelve recounting the (mostly) sailing exploits of a group of English children in the 1930s. The quote is their father's response to their request that they be allowed to sail on the lake in their summer holidays. Hopefully it should make sense now... Calling somebody a "duffer" would be regarded as rather quaint these days, but the related adjective "duff" meaning "worthless or counterfeit" is still fairly current, so I would expect the meaning of "duffer" to be accessible to most educated inhabitants of this little island just below Italy. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 13:43:13 +0100 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Eurecto Fest GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk writes: > I think a Eurecto Fest would be a great idea! I think the UK > just wins out over Germany for having the most Ectophiles this > side of the pond, so perhaps we should host the first one. I'd How many are there in UK? :) Just want to check how many I got to convert :) -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== Subject: Bowie Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 08:51:24 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Steve asks: >>2. Has anyone else noticed that the monster who appears on half the Equipoise >> cover and in full in the RhodeSongs booklet has different coloured eyes - >> is this another Bowie tribute? > >Could you explain how different coloured eyes might be a Bowie tribute? As one might guess, at least if this were a more common thing, Bowie's eyes are different colors: one blue, one grey. No, it's not done with contacts. When I first saw the "full" Tirk, I too immediately wondered if it was a Bowie homage... Jeff ======================================================================== From: "Greg O'Rear" Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 08:55:53 EST5EDT Subject: Hello I just wanted to say hi, since I just (finally) signed up for this list. I've been reading Love-Hounds for a few years, and I've been on the Tori list for a year. Now I'm here. Apart from Tori and Kate, I guess my earliest experience with any of the Ecto artists would be when I saw the video for "One More Colo(u)r" on MTV many years ago. I instantly became a Jane fan. Such positive vibes. And a nice voice, which has gotten better over the years. If only she'd tour near here. So here's proof MTV can be good for something (or used to be, anyway (I also became a Robyn Hitchcock fan by seeing the video for "I Often Dream of Trains" on MTV, many years ago)). Does Jane have a video collection? I've only seen two of her videos ("OMC" and "Ingrid and the Footman"). ObEcto: I have not as yet heard a single utterance by Happy Rhodes. ObMisc: Go and see "Much Ado About Nothing" (a Kenneth Branagh film). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg O'Rear E-mail: orear@ise.ufl.edu Industrial and Systems Engineering Department Phone: (904) 392-3389 University of Florida, Gainesville, Florida FAX: (904) 392-3537 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Siberry Breaches PBS Beachhead Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 09:36:49 -0400 From: "Dr. Dan" WretchAwry writes about "everything reminds me of my dog" t-shirts: >That's how ours are too. We take issue with the XL though. That's what >ours *say*, but they *feel* like Smalls. :-) (Too much chocolate chocolate >chip cookie dough ice cream probably) Mine seems to shrink every time I wash it. It started out as an XL, I think, but feels about a like an L now. Maybe I should stop washing it? :-} BTW, Paula, I loved "remindful things"--I never would have thought of such a concise and pleasing phrase for those things that remind one of ones dog that appear on the T-shirt (he says, proving his point :-). > You have a Speckless Sky Tshirt? What does >it look like? It's white, with broad strokes of yellow and magenta that, if you look at it just right, make a shematic picture of a person rowing a boat, viewed from about the same angle as jane on the Speckless Sky cover. Under that it says "SPECKLESS SKY" and "Jane Siberry". It's a very cool T--one of my all time favorites. Sadly, mine is worn out to the point where I don't dare wear it anymore. I bought it at a *wonderful* concert at the Tralfamdore (sp?) Cafe in Buffalo years back... -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1993 22:01:33 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Stuff. Am I *Klausing* or is this just stuff? :-) Hi y'all... Oh Zarquon am I busy this week. Friends returning from overseas, extra shifts at work, film screenings, gigs, interviews, new records, mobile phone calls (!) and a party in honour of Kim Wilde tomorrow night which I "have to" go to. Grin. I was at Warner today, and asked if they had any info about the next Tori Amos album; they said pretty much what those on rdt already know, but said that Warner had signed two new female singer/songwriters, very much in the Tori vein, both brilliant songwriters, reputedly. They had no idea what country they are from. Both albums are expected out early next year, so Tori may have some competition. :-) Meanwhile, my actual printed review of the Margot Smith album (based on the one I posted here) ran this week along with a full-page interview; I can post the interview feature here, or to anyone interested directly may be better. Let me know. I gave the album 10 out of 10 in the review, prompting much derision from the ultra-cool editorial staff at the magazine ("She CAN'T be better than Nirvana! They only got a 9.5!!!"), much grinning from EMI (who've not only sent copies to Margot, but sent the things around Australia to become part of the press release - where are my royalties?! :-) and much added interest in the album from everyone who asks me "Is it really that good?". Neile, woj and Sue, your copies are now officially IN THE MAIL! Yay! Sorry for the delay. I hope you like it! Wonderful film alert: "The Nostradamus Kid", a new Australian film by the laconically witty Bob Ellis. It plays like an Australian Hal Hartley film, stars Noah Taylor ("The Year My Voice Broke" and "Flirting") and Miranda Otto ("Last Days Of Chez Nous"), and is basically an amusingly deadpan film about a young uni student in the 50s and 60s (it's pretty much based on the director's experiences) who was brought up as a Seventh Day Adventist and is obsessed with living for the moment because the end of the world is always nigh. It contains the immortal line, "I used to be a cannibal, but these days I work for the ABC as a radio announcer", and is one of the most amusing films I've seen in a while. I don't know if a release is planned outside Australia; it opens next week in cinemas here though. International sales are being handled by Beyond Films, the people who brought you "Strictly Ballroom". The last track of the new Curve album "Cuckoo" features a Bass Note Of Doom that has moved my house another couple of kilometers in the gereal direction of Berlin, and if anyone improves on this one I'm going to have to buy a bigger subwoofer...! Now, to the quotey bit (starring my new Quote Macro Of Doom!); Sue artifactates; > I don't have ABBA soap or Duran Duran batteries, but I do have > a Camper Van Beethoven paperweight, a "Late Night With David > Letterman" sponge, and a Psychedelic Furs alarm clock. So there! :-) A Psychedelic Furs alarm clock! The mind boggles. Being woken to the strains of Todd Rundgren's over-the-top production on "Love My Way" could be fun...! > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > There's nothing as frustrating as trying to write. > There's nothing more fulfilling as having written. -B.J. > * * * * * * * * * * consid@access.digex.net * * * * * * * * * * That HAS to be the meaning of life! :-) woj, who's bigger than your average walnut, nutted out; > i have a large vanilla candle on my desk that i burn whilst online at > night. since i don't have a candleholder that big, i use a dish to > keep the wax off the cheap, prefab-wood desk. the dish is also where i > throw the matches used to ignite the wick since i don't have an ashtray > either. every evening when i get home from work, i find that the cats > have knocked the matches willy nilly across the room during the day. > > someone explain this to me. Cats and matches are genetically related by way of the paw. It's the matches that are chasing the cats. One day they'll succeed, and instead of cats, you'll have a house full of Spiny Wooden Anteaters. > _below the waves_ and _firefly_ can be found combined on one cd on > rockville records in the us. unfortunately, this is rather difficult to > find (my copy was bought used) and probably out of print as well. i can > keep my eyes open for one for you, but i doubt that there are many > places where i could find it new. I'm *really* wanting to find these two albums in some form as well. If anyone sees them (esp. the original releases, but the two-on-one sounds nice) then please yell over here as well... Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 09:32:24 CDT From: courtney Subject: kate posters.. ok everyone...here is the final update on the Kate poster situation. I have sent out all of the posters except the one to Philip...i know he is way out of the country and thus is taking a longer time to mail the money. I just wanted to let those people know that sent money, but werent on my waiting list on time, I am sorry. Since Holly released her copy, it was sent to Mitch who was on my waiitng list first and also sent money early. Everyone else, you either get a thank you note from my cats (you know who you are), or you get your money back. Thanks everyone for sending money quickly. I have tired to send the posters out quickly... the last three will be sent out on Friday..sorry but my schedule prevents an earlier release date. Al other 11 posters are already on their way to new homes!*smile* Enjoy everyone!! Cant wait for your reactions!! Courtney.. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 08:13:13 PDT From: tjshadb@ecto.sandia.gov (Troy J. Shadbolt) Subject: Dead Can Dance in the SF Bay Area? Saw mention (think it was D^2) that Dead Can Dance tickets went on sale Sunday. Which Sunday? Where's the concert? and When? (Does this sound as if a bright light should be pointing down upon you in an old B&W b-movie?) Anyway, info would be appreciated as to when and where. Who knows, maybe I'll finally get to meet some of all of these rambling talkers (which I'm just as guilty). later all- *************************** Troy J. Shadbolt tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov *************************** ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)