Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #777 ecto, Number 777 Friday, 1 October 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: A bass matter, other stuff... Morphine greg replies Re: A bass matter, other stuff... E release 2 of the musicians on ecto Re: Penelope Houston tour dates Re: Cocteau Twins The Story Self-diagnosis made hard and other stories ======================================================================== Subject: Re: A bass matter, other stuff... Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 15:53:00 -0400 From: "Dr. Dan" Off for a week, and barely catching up with ecto a week later (just 250 or so messages, but ecto is just about the only mailing list where I really look at every message...) robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) said: > Sorry woj, I guess with Greg sleeping off the Tribe concert the time >I was up there, and you setting up the equipment, I got confused about who >played bass up there. Anyway, I'd bet Greg would enjoy the Bottom >Line bass digest. Since greg doesn't seem to be about--he is really a guitar player. The only bass he owns is, I believe, a Fender Precision, which, as Chris said, is the sort of bass a guitar player would own. If you saw lots of *real* basses around the apartment, those belong to Chris, Greg & Woj's ex-house- mate from Texas (who has a Duran Duran condom, which IMHO tops the Duran Duran batteries for true fandom). Justin already cleared up any ASCII confusion. I'll just add that the Amiga default character set is indeed ISO Latin 1, so Justin's guess at the character set was probably right. For the instrument list, name: Dan Riley instruments: various guitars (electric, acoustic, classical nylon strung), keyboards, effects (yes, I count 'em as instruments), a bit of recorder, a bit of violin and clarinet long ago--probably can't play a lick of either anymore. -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 13:27:43 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Morphine woj says re: Morphine: >i found a copy of a promo single a few weekends ago and this is marvy! sax, >bass, drums and mark sandman's growly voice. it's on rykodisc and should be >pretty easy to come by. the promo single also has the spot that npr did on >them in may of '93. Hmm what tracks are on that promo? I should check the bins around here to see if I can find it. I'd love to hear them talk about their music. >they are opening tomorrow for the cranes at the grand >in nyc. i'm thinking of going since i'll be in the city anyways earlier in >the evening - anyone else going to be there? GO GO GO! I went with a friend in July before leaving for Greece, and she hadn't heard of the band before, but by the time the concert was over she was running to the back to buy an original release 'Good' CD, and then begged me to wait to get the CD signed :) Angelos 'When two worlds collide, noone survives'-M ======================================================================== Subject: greg replies Re: A bass matter, other stuff... Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 17:18:42 -0400 From: "Dr. Dan" Greg forgot to edit the headers--his reply meant for ecto went just to me, so I'm forwarding it on (without even editorializing, except I did edit out the excess headers, and add some whitespace to keep the digesting software happy :). -dan ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 16:35:51 EDT From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: A bass matter, other stuff... dan basically notes: > robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) said: > > Sorry woj, I guess with Greg sleeping off the Tribe concert the time > >I was up there, and you setting up the equipment, I got confused about who > >played bass up there. Anyway, I'd bet Greg would enjoy the Bottom > >Line bass digest. > > Since greg doesn't seem to be about--he is really a guitar player. The > only bass he owns is, I believe, a Fender Precision, which, as Chris said, > is the sort of bass a guitar player would own. If you saw lots of *real* > basses around the apartment, those belong to Chris, Greg & Woj's ex-house- > mate from Texas (who has a Duran Duran condom, which IMHO tops the Duran > Duran batteries for true fandom). i have missed the start of this discussion (my ecto catchup file is only slightly smaller than the ecto archives, which, now that i think of it, i can read directly, so i am gonna delete my stuff as soon as i finish this...) ANYway, i note that the Fender P-Bass may not get mentioned in the trendy magazines, but i'll betcha half the great bass parts ever played were played on a Fender or another... mm? they sound good, they intone well, they last forever, and they're cheap... Chris (whose Duran Duran batteries leaked several years ago) owns two Arias, a Steinberger, and a fretless of forgotten make... the Steinberger was crisp sounding and portable, the fretless of course quite cool, but the larger Aria was the only one for which i would trade my Fender... the Rickenbacher 4001 i gave my sister for xmas, now, i'd steal that back just for the nifty cadillac-chrome doodads on it ;) um, if we are counting, i play (in descending order of competence): electric guitar, software sequencers, acoustic guitar, neo-irish harp (i.e. nylon-strung -- someday i'll get a metal-strung one), bass guitar, synthesizers, keyboard instruments, tin whistle, pots pans and bodhrans (the latter with a split skin *sigh*), bagpipes (great fun at parties, those) -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ------- End of Forwarded Message ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 15:53:35 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: E I seem to remember somebody asking about E, whose album _A Man Called (E)_ was highly regarded. According to the New Releases list, E's got a new album coming out on 2 November, entitled _Broken Toy Shop_. I haven't heard anything about it. Anybody out there got any more dEtails? -- John ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 15:49:47 PDT From: tjshadb@ecto.sandia.gov (Troy J. Shadbolt) Subject: release 2 of the musicians on ecto as of 4PM PST, 30 SEP 93: The Semi-official Ecto musician's list: *************************************** Bloom, Brian brianb@lobby.ti.com 1. sampling and sound processing 2. specialized piano skills Bossert, Greg bossert@nubis.rutgers.edu 1. guitar (various), digital 2. harp, bass (electric), keyboards, tin whistle, percussion 3. far away--bag pipes Bowman, Michael bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu 2. piano, trumpet Burns, Maura mburns@smith.smith.edu 1. voice (soprano), lute, recorder, harp, flute Craven, Rob cs210rfc.icsun.sunnet.ithaca.edu 1. clarinet, kazoo Dixon, David dixon@physics.berkeley.edu 1. digital, keyboards Graham, Neile neile@u.washington.edu 1. voice (shower) 2. chord organ, guitar (strum) Horan, Anthony anthony@xymox.apana.org.au 1. recording engineer, digital Liestman, Art art@cs.sfu.ca 1. ethnic percussion (bamboo) 2. guitar, string bass, tabla, piano Lovejoy, Robert robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com 1. bass, keyboards Moorse, Alan moorsa@rpi.edu 1. fretted dulcimer 2. penny whistle. harmonica, ocarina, oboe, basson Peskura, Michael G. mpeskura@cac.washington.edu 2. Accordian Relph, John M. relph@presto.ig.com 1. guitar, mandolin, electric bass, bouzouki, digital Riley, Dan dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu 1. guitar (various), keyboards, digital 2. recorder, violin, clarinet Shadbolt, Troy J. tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov 1. French horn, Trumpet, English horn, keyboards, viola, harp, voice (range), string bass 2. double, single reed instruments, four string instruments, brass, percussion Simchik, Andrew D. {Drewcifer} as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu 1. Voice (baritone) 2. guitar Tabasko, Mary C. {Kate} Mary_C._Tabasko@transarc.com 1. recorder, pennywhistle, noise-makers, accordicat, voice 2. flute, oboe, English horn, piano, bass drum Warren, Sam I_SW@zis.ziff.com 1. flute 2. piccolo, piano ********************** no name included ********************** Holly@umbc2.umbc.edu 1. Voice (contra-alto) snpf@ugcs.caltech.edu 1. Voice, piano, harp 2. saxaphone ********************** definitions: 1. when a definite level of skill (i'm good/terrible at) is included; subdivisions have been made; higher skills = lower numbers. 2. instruments of the original family are listed only by family (i.e. orchestral, celtic, medevil, corinthian harp = harp) 3. when possible, acoustic/electric differences have been noted voice: range of voice included (best guess) digital: ment to cover the plethora of non-traditional electronic instruments (keyboards, samplers, drum machines, etc.) ********************* note: editing is me- sorry. Troy. ********************* tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 15:57:42 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: Re: Penelope Houston tour dates Can someone give me some info on Ms. Houston? The name sounds vaguely familiar, but I can't seem to remember anything about her. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 20:46:47 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins >DATE: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 20:43:29 -0400 (EDT) >FROM: Tree of Schnopia > >> {Cocteau Twins lead in} >> can say that there is one disc of theirs I really like: _Treasure_. > >Maybe I should check it out. I have _The_Pink_Opaque_ and there are some >really decent songs there (like "Wax and Wane", which sounds >early-Siouxsie-ish), so maybe they began better. > Maybe that would strike my fancy more... >> I had only heard _Bell Blue Knoll_ and a couple of others from that era > >BBK is listenable, but little else. That was the one first recommended to me, and doesn't excite me. > Dennis Parslow Scene of the crime, body in the bed Troy, NY 12180 One victim died, one victim fled p00421@psilink.com Never got caught, but lost his reelection Too much sex, not enough affection Timbuck 3 "Too Much Sex, Not Enough Affection" _Eden Alley_ ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 21:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Subject: The Story Hello, I'm quite sure I saw The Story discussed here. I was flipping through channels and when I hit VH-1 they were introducing the Story. They had them in the studio, interviewed them and they sang one song "So Much Mine". What voices! I had never heard of them before and I was wondering if anyone could tell me more about them. My interest has also been sparked by talk of Heidi Berry and Lisa Germano. I noticed some of their stuff in the record store but I haven't heard any of their music. Since I have had such good luck with recommendations from here I thought I might ask again. :-) recent purchases: Aimee Mann "Whatever", This Mortal Coil "It'll End in Tears" (found it in the used record bin for half the import price), The Cranberries. -Quenby ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 17:15:34 CDT From: Eau Pliez Subject: Self-diagnosis made hard and other stories Neal wrote this about my exegesis of his exegesis of "WIVH:" >Plus, I've gotta admit to completely missing all references to my ramble, >being unfamiliar with "Clanging" and never seeing any >Marx Brothers films. Film clips are hard to reproduce in this medium, so I'll have to limit myself to the descriptions of clanging and related phenomena that appear in the _Diag- nostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 3rd Edition, Revised_ (Washington: American Psychiatric Association, 1987): >CLANGING. Speech in which sounds, rather than meaningful, conceptual relation >ships govern word choice; it may include rhyming and punning. The term is >generally applied only when it is a manifestation of a pathological condition; >thus, it would not be used to describe the rhyming word play of children. >Example: "I'm not trying to make noise. I'm trying to make sense. If you >can make sense out of nonsense, well, have fun. I'm trying tomake sense out >of sense. I'm not making sense (cents) anymore. I have to make dollars." > Clanging is observed most commonly in Schizophrenia and manic episodes. (p. 393) On further reflection, maybe the definition residing immediately above that one on the page may better describe the passage in question. It certainly seems to describe much of my own writing for these pages even better :-). >CIRCUMSTANTIALITY. A term used to describe speech that is indirect and delaye >d in reaching the point because of unnecessary, tedious details and parenthet- >ical remarks. Circumstantial replies or statements may be prolonged for many >minutes if the speaker is not interrupted and urged to get to the point. Int- >erviewers often respond to circumstantiality by interrupting the speaker in >order to complete the process of history-taking within an allotted time. This >may make it difficult to distinguish loosening of associations from circumstan >tiality. In the former there is a lack of connection between clauses, but in >the latter the clauses always retain a meaningful connection. In loosening of >associations, the original point is lost, whereas in circumstantiality, the >speaker is always aware of the original point, goal, or topic. > Circumstantiality is common in an Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disord >er and in many people without mental disorder. (_id._) The latter clause, happily, leaves open the possibility that I'm completely normal :-). Needless to say, I've often wondered what kind of circumstantial evidence I'm at risk of being convicted on, and now I have some insight into exactly that. But to paraphrase Groucho, don't let this amorphous discourse cause you to leave the list in a huff, when by waiting a minute you can leave in a minute and a huff :-). (Talk about "Stimulating the attrition" :-). ) (I think many of those classic films may now be available on home video, BTW.) Meanwhile, back in the real world... :-) If the Grand Am in the Texas nude fenderbender (oh, for the days of American International Pictures--would've made the ideal bottom half of a double bill with the TX chainsaw massacre :-) ) was indeed the 1990 model, then it may in fact be a fairly plausible surrogate for a Cavalier for purposes of researching the question in question. (I haven't looked at my Table of Equivalent Values between Pontiac and Chevy in years, but any downsizing of Grand Ams that there may have been must surely have taken place by the '90 model year.) Mitch ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)