Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #350 ecto, Number 350 Saturday, 17 October 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: New gif? Incoming? up to date now Angel's artist list Re: Warpaint sighting & misc. A post more reactive than proactive favorite lines frm WP re: vickie and naan Diamanda Galas ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 15:34:52 EDT From: jessica Subject: Re: New gif? Incoming? Heh. the happy-promo.TV.gif looks probably exactly how it's supposed to. I had that tiled on my screen (4 of them like this [][] [][]) and it just looked really cool. there is no longer an incoming dir. :P :P :P let me know where stuff is, and i'll get it. i've put the echoes interview into the archives.. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Subject: up to date now From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 21:49:36 GMT It took a while, but I'm finally up to date with reading ecto digests. Now I can turn to months of really-deep-thoughts digests. For those who are interested in the current state of my left big toe: (it's good that I never posted my shoesize, as it was a bit bigger the last weeks ;) the cast is off now for a week, and I'm nearly walking properly again. A x-ray in two weeks will hopefully finish this silly accident. While driving home a couple of days ago, I was listening to an old Eurythmics tape, and I thought that I would love to hear Happy cover "Who's that girl?". I've been listening to the tape of Sarah McLachlan's Boston concert quite a bit in the last months, and now I put on _Solace_ and was a bit disappointed. Something is missing in the studio recording. Vickie about the HGP: > Well, I can put it together, so that's taken care of. I would like a > deadline of November 1 set. That way i can be receiving tapes throughout Thanks Vickie! What would we do without you! and ... > Get busy, it's later than you think! Right she is! Hurry up folks! We will (hopefully) make our tape this weekend (as well as several others). Last week I finally decided to buy a recording walkman, so getting our messages onto tape won't be a problem this time. Cheers, Klaus. ___________________________________________________________ . * | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | _ . * .* . | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | (_) . | --- Happy Rhodes --- | . . o | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge klaus@inphobos.w.open.de | <== ======================================================================== Date: 16 Oct 92 18:57:07 EDT From: Mike Weaver <72210.2035@compuserve.com> Subject: Angel's artist list Hi-this is ANGEL-I posted this artists I like list on Love-Hounds, and Vickie told me to post it here too, so here it is: Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel, David Sylvian, Tori Amos, Happy Rhodes, Laurie Anderson, Tom Waits, Karin Krog, Zoviet*France, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Eberhard Weber, Jan Gabarek, Mark Isham, Brian Eno, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Michael Brook, Meredith Monk, Toyah, Robert Fripp, Jane Siberry, AM4, Aster Aweke, The Telling, Sinead O'Conner, Steve Jansen, Richard Barbieri, Mick Karn, Japan, Dalis Car, Bauhaus, Steve Tibbets, Mark Anderson, Clannad, Bothy Band, David Bowie, Lisa Dalbello, Bel Canto, John Surman, Roxy Music, Dead Can Dance, Rickie Lee Jones, Nina Hagen, Miles Davis, Jon Hassell, Kate and Anna McGarrigle, Stephan Micus, Yaz, Agnes Buen Garnas, Single Gun Theory, Consolidated, Mr. Bungle, Public Enemy, Leonard Cohen, Marta Sebestyen, Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares, Vox, Therese Schroder-Sheker, Stephan Micus, Ruth Barrett and Cynthia Smith, Michelle Shocked, Talking Heads, Sandy Denny, Sally Oldfield, Bill Nelson, Hugo Largo, Dee-Lite, Arcadia, Enya, Duran, Loreena McKennit, Angelo Badalamenti, Julee Cruise, Frank Zappa (Mothers-era), Captain Beefheart, Billie Holiday, etc.. Shoot Vickie if this is off-topic! (Mike speaking this line). ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 1:28:59 EDT From: Ode Subject: Re: Warpaint sighting & misc. > Hi Ectophiles! > > A coworker of mine (hi Sue!) told me that she spotted Warpaint here in > Chicago at a place called 'Women and Children First'. Vickie: did you > have anything to do with this, or de we need to do some investigating > to find out how they knew about Happy? T'wernt me Jack! (Michelle Shocked uses that. I just love it!) Perhaps the Mitch-Man knows, he does his own happyvangelizing in and around the city. MitchohMitch??? If it wasn't Mitch then we'll have to do some sluething. > Sun told me that she's also gotten her roommate hooked on Happy. I wanted > to include the text that Sue sent me, but I was brain-dead and deleted it. > Oh well. Hi Sue! Good one! Tell us, please? > Now about something else... I remember some time ago there was some talk > about Diamanda Galas here, but I don't remember what it was. A couple of > weeks ago I was in a record shop and saw a CD by her and said to myself > "Hmmm. This was discussed on Ecto -- it must be good". So I got it. Ha! Teach you! Change your vocabulary to "This was discussed on Ecto -- it must be unusual or interesting or really maybe kinda downright weird" and you'll be better off. > Well, I don't know what to think. It certainly is different from anything > I've heard. Chip Lueck, master of understatement :-) > The strange thing is, I haven't yet decided whether or not I > like it!!! Neither have I, and I've been a Diamanda Galas fan for years! > Now I'm wondering what was discussed on Ecto because I probably > just skimmed it. Could someone paraphrase or point me to the digests where > she was discussed? Ah, that might have to wait for TimB's INDEX, unless Jessica, who has every single Ecto post from the very very beginning all in *one* file (I didn't believe it until I saw it. It takes up multi-mega-megs) can call up some things. Synopsis: "Wow!" "Huh?" "Ouch!" "Wheee!" "Gulp" "Hooboy!" "Uhhhhhh" "Ugh!" "Wow!" Btw, which album did you get? > Another thing I can't figure out about her is if she's religious or > if she's sacrilegious! I mean, the lyrics are religious in nature, but > the way she sings them... Born that way, raised that way, thought better of the idea, gave it up, pissed off at it. Actually, to get very serious here. Diamanda was born and raised a Catholic (she's American, btw) so there is a lot of religious imagry in there. Her brother died of AIDS as well as many of her friends, and she started writing and "singing" about the fear and pain and horror of AIDS and death. She saw first-hand how religious orginizations treated AIDS patients. She got *really* pissed off. It's all there in her music. Most of her anger toward religion is reserved for those who call AIDS "God's gift to mankind" and treat it like a plague sent to wipe the earth of homosexuals and other "undesireables." Heavy stuff... When I saw her in concert, we were sitting just a few feet away from the edge of the stage. She was half-naked and completely covered with blood. By the end of the concert my eardrum hairs felt like the trees at the base of Mt. St. Helens, all bent over. She generates a lot of jokes, but she really is a very, super-serious, classically-trained musician and artist and should be taken seriously on all levels. Personally, I can only listen to her in very small doses, but I think she's brilliant. Her last album isn't as intense as her other albums. Maybe she needed to take a rest. What album _do_ you have? > The other I night I was with a friend and we got to talking and we > jokingly said "if someone like that can get a contract with a major label, > why can't Happy?!" Hmmm. I guess we could ask that question about a lot > of the albums which get released these days! Diamanda deserves hers as much as Happy deserves to have one. It's actually suprising that Diamanda does have a contract. Can you imagine the board meeting involved....? > Ok - that's enough for now. Back to work... > > ======================================================================= > Chip Lueck (Jeff) | "The moving walkway is now ending. > email: chip-l@nwu.edu | Please look down." > phone: 708-491-5912 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Our Lady of the Silver Cylinder-O'Hare Airport, 1992 Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" ======================================================================== From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 4:23:47 EDT Hey, what is all this? 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In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 14 Oct 92 08:38:56 CDT Message-Id: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vickie ======================================================================== Date: 16 October 1992 13:48:22 CDT From: Subject: A post more reactive than proactive Mike Weaver is right. RLJ's _Pop Pop_ is indeed a good job of bringing old son gs into the new idiom. I hadn't thought of it because I haven't heard it recen tly. _Re_ Vickie's reply to Mike's other recent post: I've never heard of naan; is it also an Indic-cum-British condiment, in the chutney vein? As I recall, the transcript of the Echoes interview was posted by Mike Mendelso hn sometime in the first half of July, or maybe it was the second half. Getting back to the issue of magazines and happyvangelism; I have just sub- scribed to an electronic music newsletter called _Sonic Verse_ (originally called _Update_). They profess always to be looking for stuff, so it seems to me that it would be an ideal forum to plug Happy. What would be a good, preexisting document to send them? Perhaps the Ecto FAQ? Regarding Vickie's questions about the public library: my CD checkouts last week consisted of what I believe to be Bonnie Raitt's latest album, which is also my first experience with Digicrap packaging; an album by Marta Sebestyen; one of the Rhino British Invasion series; and, last but least, the only one I've actually listened to so far: an album of show tunes and, to a lesser extent, jazz standards sung by the late actress Judy (_Born Yesterday_) Holliday, and conducted by Gerry Mulligan. This is the one with the severe scratches; the others may or may not have them as well. I looked for the Warpaint CD, but it was neither on the shelf, in the card catalog, nor in the separate CD list at the music reference desk; maybe it's still being processed. Still, it's sort of Kafkaesque to think of what shape it could end up in after a series of checkouts by the Teeming Millions. Other items at the library that may be of interest to ectophiles locally in- clude several Tom Robinson albums on vinyl, albeit for use within the music department only; and, one floor down in the literature department, a nice selec tion of Mike Weaver's novels, albeit lacking in the third part of the _Wolf Dreams_ trilogy. To give Gyan some company in the pantheon of overseas artists that are hard for Americans to get: the free cd that came with a recent issue of Q magazine led off with a track from the recent album by Jerry Burns (a woman), the title of which I have forgotten. It was a good song, the name of which I have also forgotten. I looked for it at Rock Records' sale, but it was nowhere to be seen; my guess is that Columbia has released it in the UK, but not here. The same sampler had a selection by Alison Moyet, which is not on the album that came out stateside a year or so ago. Anyone know if she ostensibly has a new one in the pipeline? Something else that I saw there but didn't buy was a compilation album called _Legacy_, which includes tracks by the likes of Kirk Kelly, Roger Manning, Cindy Lee Berryhill (I think), and kindred artists. I seem to recall someone inquiring about it in these pages quite some time ago. I didn't note the label, but it may well be on SST, for which many of the participating artists record. BTW, it was subtitled as being acoustic folk, or at least as folk, and was shelved in the folk section of the shop. Mitch --------------------------- To the memory of Willy Brandt, and the recognition just accorded Gary Becker. ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: Warpaint sighting & misc. Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 12:35:10 EDT Hi, [Vickie talking about Diamanda Galas] I am under the impression that her origin is Greek, and thus that she was raised Greek-Orthodox. In fact I am almost sure. Wish I had my 'Options' interview to double-check the Orthodox part. But a friend of mine who is a *real* fan (listens to 'Wild Women with Steak knives' while doing research) took it [actually I gave it to him]. Just thought I'd clarify this. Angelos ======================================================================== Date: 17 Oct 92 13:16:30 EDT From: Mike Weaver <72210.2035@compuserve.com> Subject: favorite lines frm WP WORDS THAT DIG DEEP IMHO-ANGEL WARPAINT "I have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world." -Happy FEED THE FIRE "I want to go back to the trees where my art was born, and I was duly sworn to be alive." -Happy MURDER "The woman just stared while the cat laid dying." -Happy TO LIVE IN YOUR WORLD "Something made me hate her. I had to suffocate her." "I am evil, I am brutal." -Happy PHOBOS "This has nothing to do with destiny." -Happy WRONG CENTURY "Now let me get this straight, Man. Not only am I woman, But I'm stuck in this spooky world?" -Happy LAY ME DOWN "Steal my sight away Spare no smile on me" -Happy TERRA INCOGNITA "Watch me go like fire." -Happy ALL THINGS "I had another accident last night. I tripped over a soul in flight." -Happy WORDS WEREN'T MADE FOR COWARDS "We can see through a smile to any lie." "Do I have to dig Do I have to prod Reach into your chest, and pull your feelings out." "My time's too short to waste on things you say without your brain." "I will watch you like a hawk. Wait for you to make a slip." -Happy WARPAINT "As I walk through fire, I am shielded from the flame, although the guilty parties take take no blame." -Happy IN HIDING "And only time will tell what it's done to me." -Happy ======================================================================== Date: 17 Oct 92 13:12:24 EDT From: Mike Weaver <72210.2035@compuserve.com> Subject: re: vickie and naan Angel here-cheese naan? Where do you get cheese naan? ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 11:47:01 CST From: (Jeff "Chip" Lueck) Subject: Re: Warpaint sighting & misc. >Ha! Teach you! Change your vocabulary to "This was discussed on Ecto -- it >must be unusual or interesting or really maybe kinda downright weird" >and you'll be better off. Noted. I have changed that entry in my vocabulary. :) >> Well, I don't know what to think. It certainly is different from anything >> I've heard. >Chip Lueck, master of understatement :-) >Btw, which album did you get? The Singer. >Personally, I can only listen to her in very small doses, but I think >she's brilliant. Thanks for all the info about her! I, too, can only listen to her in small doses, but the next time I'll definately hear her in a different light. >Diamanda deserves hers as much as Happy deserves to have one. It's >actually suprising that Diamanda does have a contract. Can you >imagine the board meeting involved....? Actually, that's what I meant -- I wasn't trying to give the impression that she had no talent, or anything -- I just find it interesting that someone like Diamanda can get a contract -- I can't see that she'd appeal to that wide of an audience = low profits (looking from the squid's eyes, mind you). On the other hand, I think Happy's style and music would appeal to a very large audience and she could become very well-known if she got a contract with a major label and had a manager like Tori has... ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 12:14:15 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Diamanda Galas It has probably been recorded in back-issues of Ecto that I bought _The Plague Mass_ while visiting Atlanta this summer. Sometime after that I took it over to a friend's place and heard it for the first time. It was definitely unusual. We ended up dubbing it the "CD of Dispel Ethel". Ethel is the mother of one of my friend's roommates, who they had come to hate because she would drop in at random times (she had been given a key by her daughter), do unwanted housecleaning, and find whatever alcohol was in the house and drink it. She happened to be there when we arrived, so we decided to put on the CD immediately. She left not long after. Then we put on Kate since we were beginning to think that we might want to leave too, but we had started making dinner. ======================================================================== Subject: Re: favorite lines frm WP Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 15:28:44 -0400 From: "Daniel S. Riley" Mike Weaver <72210.2035@compuserve.com> writes: > WORDS THAT DIG DEEP > IMHO-ANGEL [quotes that you've all already seen deleted] A very cool selection. I think I'm going to add about half of them to our systems fortune cookie file. Thanks! -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Diamanda Galas Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 15:49:09 -0400 From: "Daniel S. Riley" Sorry, I couldn't pass this one up... stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) writes: >Ethel is the mother of one of my friend's roommates, who [...] >would drop in at random times [...] and find whatever alcohol >was in the house and drink it. Boy, her parent's really had her pegged from birth, didn't they! (ethel -> ethyl -> alcohol, for the chemistry deprived) Back on the subject, I bought _The Singer_ some months ago, and still my only thoughts about it are "weird stuff". Oh, one other thing--the label on _TS_ is "Mute", which appears to be her own, with a "Manufactured & Distributed by Elektra Entertainment, a division of Warner Communications". I don't know much about the ins & outs of record companies, but that doesn't look like a standard major label contract to me... -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: Diamanda Galas Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 16:10:09 EDT >Back on the subject, I bought _The Singer_ some months ago, and >still my only thoughts about it are "weird stuff". Oh, one other >thing--the label on _TS_ is "Mute", which appears to be her own, >with a "Manufactured & Distributed by Elektra Entertainment, a >division of Warner Communications". I don't know much about the >ins & outs of record companies, but that doesn't look like a >standard major label contract to me... Eeep! 'Mute' records is one of the major indies in the UK!! Home of Fad Gadget, Depeche Mode, Assembly, Yaz, and others. Just couldn't let this go unnoticed... :) Angelos ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)