1-Oct-91 4:18:58-GMT,1032;000000000001 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04244; Tue, 1 Oct 91 00:18:39 EDT Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA15358; Mon, 30 Sep 91 21:18:33 PDT Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) id AA01932; Mon, 30 Sep 91 21:16:10 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Sep 91 21:16:10 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Message-Id: <9110010416.AA01932@greylady.uoregon.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Happy's interview answers That was a lot of fun to read. Now I'd really like to meet Happy; I suspect our senses of humor would be compatible. I found it especially interesting to read her comments about how she would react to her first albums when listening to them as someone else's. If the first four albums wouldn't capture her interest, and _Warpaint_ has a few of the qualities that would, then a) I really need to write off for _Warpaint_ and b) I will be fascinated to watch her music evolve. 1-Oct-91 11:17:04-GMT,1369;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16751; Tue, 1 Oct 91 07:15:44 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA10842; Tue, 1 Oct 91 06:16:04 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 1 Oct 91 01:30:21 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA09178; Tue, 1 Oct 91 01:30:18 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Mon, 30 Sep 91 20:49 CDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 91 20:49 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Got tapes/letters from... plus Happy Philly Kirstin Steve Fagg Gene Sady Jeff Lueck Thank you all. It will be at least another week before I start dubbing the show and sending tapes back out. Just talked to Happy. Things are going so amazingly well in Philadelphia! *Today* they sent out 100 Warpaint CDs to various Philly stores that want to carry it. H&K didn't contact these stores, that's the beauty of it. A great review appeared in the Philly paper and people have been asking about Warpaint, which is prompting the stores that don't have it to get it. H&K might have to order a 3rd run sooner than they anticipated. Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 1-Oct-91 11:38:50-GMT,9516;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18117; Tue, 1 Oct 91 07:38:29 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA10841; Tue, 1 Oct 91 06:16:02 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 1 Oct 91 01:30:17 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA09175; Tue, 1 Oct 91 01:30:16 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Mon, 30 Sep 91 20:48 CDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 91 20:48 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Doug's posts Vickie here. Doug, I loved your posts! You were so quiet there fo a long time, now look at you....Great! > * In _The Revelation_, the lyric sheet says that indistinct word is > "Mikey". Is this another of Happy's monsters? (Or does it refer to > that little kid who ate the Life cereal foisted on him by his brothers. > "Give it to Mikey. He'll eat anything!" (a line destined to become the > punchline for a number of dirty jokes.)) By the way, do the monsters > on Happy's first four (or should that be first two?) album covers have > names? I think I'll re-post the article I sent to gaffa with the lyrics. It's not only explains "Mikey" but lots of other interesting things too. > * I found two minor typos in the lyrics for _Don't Want to Hear It_ from > _Ecto: The Album_. In the fourteenth line (if I counted right), > 'exausted' was too exhausted to hold onto its 'h'. In the twenty-sixth > line, 'elswhere' left its second 'e' elsewhere. Thanks for the typo watch. I've already made the changes. I do appreciate it, because I want them to be as error-free as possible. > However, don't feel too bad, anonymous typist (our ubiquitous Vickie?), > I found four in the lyric sheet in the _Warpaint_ CD. Since no _Warpaint_ > lyric sheet has appeared on athos yet (at least, since I last looked) and > since we have no power to change the actual _Warpaint_ sheet (do we?), > I'll leave you the fun of tracking them down. I sent Warpaint to Jessica just the other day. Cleaned up and uniform. I don't feel bad, I feel the way Happy does. It's a bummer to spend hours pouring over the lyric sheet word-by-word looking for typos, yet ending up missing some. It's frustrating not being able to trust your own eyes. I told Happy about "exsists" just the other day! I had missed the "e" in "peacful" but I'll be sure to tell her. We can have power to change the Warpaint lyric sheet. Any typos we find will be noted and changed in later editions. > * In _Waking Up_, 'seering' should be 'searing' without a doubt. In fact, > Daniel, our Australian Ectophile, had it right in his signature. (It's > amazing was grep-ing will turn up!) > * In _Warpaint_, I also wondered about 'gravesight'. However, I finally > convinced myself that it should be 'gravesite'. (Any contrary > opinions?) Happy knows about these and they probably will not be changed :-) > * While on the subject of lyric sheets, what was the person (Vickie again?) > ingesting when they typed up the lyrics from the second side of _Volume > II_? Love those little extras (even if those kitties look like they just > sucked on an especially sour lemon :-) (Oh, the wonders of ASCII > graphics))! *My* cat's mouths look like that! Uh, about the ingesting part, I'll never tell :-) I had an awful lot of fun doing those lyrics, (more than Jeff B I'd bet) and no one has objected to my playfulness. I left Warpaint pretty much alone. Besides correcting typos and capitalizing, and a couple of other minor things to make them look uniform, I didn't go crazy messing around with it, the way I did the early lyrics. > * The more I listen to Happy, the more I love her deep voice. I know this > verges on treason for those dragged in by the resemblance Happy's high > register to KaTe's and to those bemoaning the missing high parts on > _Warpaint_. However, I love it. Its popping out of nowhere on _If Love > Is a Game, I Win_ gives me delightful chills! Oh yeah! "Delightful chills"...I'll have to remember that one. "Crystal Orbs" "Til the Dawn Breaks" "Many Nights" Many more....leave me gasping at her low voice. > * Has anyone else had the song _Monsters and Angels_ by Voice of the > Beehive buzzing (sorry! (However, _they_ named their albums _Let It Bee_ I have it, haven't had a chance to really listen to it closely. Re: Ode That song (and "Given In") have helped me many a time. > (Oops, how did that slip out? (Has anyone noticed how talking about Happy > seems to bring out things that the speaker probably doesn't want out? Yep. By the end of the Happy wars in gaffa, my soul was laid bare. > Jon Drukman's posted review of Happy was the most revealing thing he's > ever put on .gaffa. Absolutely! Even though it was a "bad" review, I actually thought it was one of the most fascinating things I'd ever read by Drukman. He said much more about himself than he said about Happy. > Has anyone else been struck by the similarity in tone and even phrasing >of _Ode_ to the Desiderata. I never thought about it. It's been a long time since I heard it, but I do remember it, 'cause I had a poster of it in my room. > If enough people are interested, I'd even be willing to post it. Yes, please. > (The parody _Deteriorata_ is not only probably easier to find these > days than the original, Can you post that too? I remember it also. Very funny. "Rotate your tires" > but is notable for a then unknown Melissa Manchester singing backing > vocals). I didn't know that. Thanks! > * Buy them all. Happy's work passed the Lay's potato chip test. Betcha > can't listen to just one! I couldn't. :-) Reminds me of what Klaus wrote about Happy passing his "continous play test." > * Follow the order in which Happy recorded the albums: _Volume I_, > _Volume II_, _Rearmament_, and _Ecto: The Album_. Probably the best way, but in the end it doesn't matter. If a person is attuned to Happy at all, they'll probably like them all. > My suggestion is the latter, because her albums have a natural progression > to them (and because it gives me the excuse to describe that progression, > something I planned to post in the future anyway). > The lyrics of Happy's album seem to parallel her personal struggles. > _Volume I_ finds Happy trying out her wings, her first attempts to put her > personal miseries into song and onto tape. By _Volume II_, she has a firm > hold on her muse and crafts powerfully emotional songs from the depths of > her darkness. Some sun is shining on _Rearmament_, as she takes her first > steps out of her hole, fearful of what is behind and uncertain about what > is ahead. _Ecto: The Album_ finds her standing fully outside hole, bound > and determined to face reality, though fully conscious of her past. I am > close to declaring that these are really just one four-disk (well, tape) > album anyway. Someday I should try to listen to them that way. (Gee, over > three straight hours of Happy. What a way to go!) I do it all the time :-) This was an excellent capsule description of the lyrical progression of the 1st4. Huge applause from this lady. > And _Warpaint_? Well, I do have some opinions, but I'll save them for > another post. I can't wait! > [Gee, four posts in one day! What's Vickie's record anyway? :-) ] For Ecto or gaffa? :-) My record of things that actually appeared is probably 8 or 10 in gaffa, 5, I believe, in Ecto. No one in gaffa knows how close I came to setting a major record there. When we were off-line went over to a friend's house to post things. I spent over an hour mailing things. Thank God, they never appeared, so I had to post them piecemeal. That was why the lyrics came in separate chunks, I didn't want them to disappear again. People flamed anyway because of the lyrics, but they would have had a heart attack if they'd gotten evertything at once, the way I'd originally planned. I had all 4 album's lyrics, the long lyrics post, the song titles, Happy's "Kate" story, the KKFI interview, and at least 5 long posts that I'd been working on. Those never appeared in gaffa. I posted them in Ecto when it started. There might have been a couple of other things too, I can't remember. But the length and number of posts made something go haywire somewhere, so none of them appeared. Whew! Knowing the outcry that happened when the lyrics came in bits and peices, I shudder to think of the reaction if all of them, plus all the other things too, had appeared at the same time. When it comes to many and lengthly posts, you're a piker Doug :-) but then, I've got the burn (flame) scars to show for my output. Were you around a year or so ago when my long posts caused a minor flame war? It was very funny, (except when someone I really, really liked called me a "pest") but it did get me to stop posting for a long time. Gradually my posts got a bit more frequent and longer. I can't shut up, and I have very bad self-editing skills, but I'm not too ashamed of it. I yam what I yam & that's the way I yam. I do feel more at home running off at the mouth here than in gaffa now, though I did just post a long article about Yma Sumac in gaffa. It's the longest thing I've posted there in ages. Your 4 posts were great Doug! Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 1-Oct-91 11:39:28-GMT,14324;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18171; Tue, 1 Oct 91 07:38:56 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA10843; Tue, 1 Oct 91 06:16:04 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 1 Oct 91 01:30:23 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA09181; Tue, 1 Oct 91 01:30:21 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Mon, 30 Sep 91 20:51 CDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 91 20:52 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Various Lyrics notes (re-posted from gaffa) Vickie here. Re: Happy Lyrics First, a message to Neil Calton...please don't delete Happy's lyrics for the printouts you send to Peter & Krys at Homeground. They (Hi!) have Happy's first four albums and I'm sure they would enjoy having the lyrics too. THANKS! I think everyone, even those who haven't heard the songs (yet!), will enjoy reading Happy's lyrics. Needless to say (but I'll say it anyway), everyone should either print them out or put them in an easily found file. Even if you're not interested in Happy now, that might very well change at some point in the future. I hope they'll go in the archives. I tried to give (in print) each song a different "look" because, though it might be distracting or annoying to some, it might help others who are just starting to separate and distinguish the 53 songs. Of course, lyrics cannot in any way give you a sense of how extraordinary and original the music is. Or how beautiful and expressive Happy's voice is. The slight Celtic lilts, the textured emotion, crystal clear clarity, the honesty and vulnerability and strength and awesomness of it. Sometimes, I rewind over and over again just to marvel at how she sings lines like "Ever see the wings of a dragonfly? Paper-thin and cellophane And quickly broken like the will to live for a mind in pain" or "Get your head out of the cotton clouds, put your precious feet on the floor" or "Go away way very far away, take your leave" (in that same song, "If So", I get goosebumps and teary the way she sings "Never grieve the loss") or "Farewell thou lob of spirits, I'll be gone" or "And they're telling me 'You should find out what is wrong' I think I'm alright, I'm still putting up a fight. But I keep on losing, soon I'll be dying of fright" or "Despite the bad ways of the girl with the purest of hearts" or any number of others. Could anybody imagine that a line like "I'll speak to you, but my flesh will burn" could sound so achingly beautiful? No, unless you've heard Happy. ---- Big, large, very huge amounts of !!THANKS!! to Jeffrey for taking on the enormous task of sitting down and transcribing each song on the first three albums. I'd never even tried to attempt it, even though I truly love lyric sheets. Seeing lyrics in front of you brings the meanings of songs closer to home. Jeff accurately caught lines that I'd puzzled over and given up on over two years ago! I'm in awe at his accomplishment. Happy was amazed and quite pleased too. She said that she was re-listening to "Ally Ally Oxenfree" and SHE couldn't even understand the lyrics. It had been so long since she'd heard the song that she'd forgotten what she wrote. Yet Jeff got nearly ALL the words right! Wow! She wrote "I'm amazed you got any of these lyrics! Good job!!" There were lines that had him shaking his head though. Michael helped clear a few of those up and I went through and put in my own corrections and comments, then mailed them off to Happy. She sent them back with lots of corrections in red pen and in purple ink she wrote little comments about some songs. I'll share some of those with you in a bit. Before I got the lyrics back from her, Happy told me over the phone answers to some of the most vexing lyrics. For example, parts of the song "For We Believe" were particularly difficult because the high and low voices are singing different lines but they're intertwined so without knowing the exact lyrics it's impossible to understand what's going on. This is an example of what was sent Happy to correct: For We Believe (high voice) ((high & low voices together)) [Vickie's interpratation-sounds like...] What are these things [What (I) ees (are) these thing (we) ((words alway))] Why is this love ... [What (I) ees (ah) this love (we) ((words alway))] Where is this hole coming from? Where is this hole coming from? HUH??? HELP!!! This is the corrected version of that line: For We Believe (Why) (are) (we) ((worlds away?)) What is this thing? (Why) (are) (we) ((worlds away?)) What is this love? Where is this hope coming from? Where is this hope coming from? ....Thanks to Happy for clearing THAT one up! Whew! Of course, now that I know what she's singing it sounds perfectly clear to me! ---- "Oh The Drears"-the word came from a schoolchum of Happy's, who was always moaning about having the drears. The word stuck in Happy's mind. In the beginning of the song (that *wonderful* beginning) the sound you can't quite make out is the sound of Happy calling out to her engineer. Listen on headphones to catch it during the echoes. ---- I asked Happy about "Rainkeeper" and said it was a puzzle to me. She's no help at all, saying "It's a puzzle to me too" :-) The lyrics are sort of "Mother Stands For Comfort"-ish. ---- The song "He's Alive" is about "Alice" the He-monster. It's based on a painting Happy did when she was 14 or 15 years old. I haven't yet heard the entire story. Can't wait for that one! I always liked the song but thought of it mainly as the song separating two of my favorites (Given In and Possessed) so was always kind of impatient with it. Believe me, now that I know the lyrics and the "Alice arise" part is clear, I'm listening to it with a new mindset! ---- The "Mikey" in the song "The Revelation" is a fellow Happy used to know who was disgustingly optimistic. Disgustingly because Happy was at that time one of the most pessimistic people on earth. The song is not really "about" him, but sort of "to" him. Telling him, in a way, that there is no hope, there is no love etc. Kind of like "See reality willya?" Those who have yet to get _Warpaint_ should know that Happy doesn't have that kind of attitude anymore. She can still remember and see currently the very dark side of life, but knows (and writes about) the light and goodness of life. _Warpaint_ is her most optimistic album, even though there are major streaks of darkness in there too. ---- In "Moonbeam Friends" I thought the line was "my oxy and my troll" and I asked her what an oxy was, thinking it was some mythical creature. As Michael stated, the line is actually "my oxy and nitro" but she now much prefers Michael's line "my oxy and my toe" and maybe it will end up on a tape somewhere, sometime, just for fun! This song is sung from a child's point of view, about comforting, yet somewhat sinister, "imaginary" friends. ---- All of us had come up with some very inventive words that were as wrong as could possibly be. I think Happy had a grand time with it all. In the song "Number One" none of us could get this one phrase. Michael came up with "...and the clays maray" (that's what it sounded like to me too!) and Happy wrote on the printout "What the hell is a clays maray?" Well, Happy, gee...we were wondering ourselves. The line is actually "(The ways away)... from the craze we're in." I knew that...yeah... Another good one was in the song "The First To Cry", which none of us could understand. Michael wrote "untanglase or in tan raise" and Happy drew a little arrow to it and wrote "What the hell is he smoking?" Well, of course, the line is "mine are timeless" and it sounds perfectly clear to me now. Since I've had the tapes for nearly three years and phonetic phrases stick in the brain, I'll probably catch myself singing "...and the clays maray" or "a million to one" often, before realizing it. Happy & I were talking about that. I was telling her about having the pre-release cassette of TSW and listening to it countless times before actually getting the real lyrics from IED. A line in "Rocket's Tail" sounded like "I put on my traveling suit" and it was logical, so I sang it that way to myself. Getting the lyrics and finding out the line was "I put on my cloudiest suit" was actually a disappointment and I've continued to sing it my way. Happy said "wait a minute, you mean she's NOT singing 'traveling suit'?" She had heard it that way too and had never checked the lyric sheet to correct it. I'm glad I'm not the only one! ---- In "Noone Here" Jeff thought the line was "Well, I locked my own brain" and Michael thought it was "Well, I longed a warm rain" and I just put a ?. Happy said she thought we all knew what she was really singing but just wouldn't let ourselves believe it. "Well, I want a warm brain" Meaning that the lonely character (Happy...it's autobiographical) in the song was desperate for intellectual companionship. This song speaks directly to the soul of anyone who's seen a beautiful sunrise or a glorious lightning storm while alone felt honered and awed to be able to see it, but ached to share it with someone. Happy's cat makes a special appearance, a kittycameo, in the song. A long time ago I asked her about the kitty and she said it was a "secret" so it seems there's a mystery there. ---- In "To The Funnyfarm" she really does sing "And when I go I'll bring with me both of my bros" meaning her brothers. She said they were a bit on the "strange" side too. I guess! Happy was telling me that she had sent a CD of _Warpaint_ to one of her brothers weeks ago and had not heard from him. Not a word. I was very indignant and said "I guess he doesn't realize he's related to the Holy Ghost!" Amusing, but very sad, in a way. Think of the support and help that Kate's brothers have provided to her. What would she have done without them? Happy's had to work without much of a family support system. I don't mean to slam her brothers, because I don't know much about them, but from what I've heard, they're not giving Happy the support she deserves. Anyway, this is a great song! This is one of the very first songs she ever wrote. ---- The first line in "Possessed" is "Analyzed, crucified, caught on Satan's wing. Angels of night, vultures in flight. I've a love for the fatal things" This song should have been used for that 20/20 "Exorcism" (snort-snort) Ooooooooh! This is one of my all-time favorite songs. It's fast-paced and causes my mind to warp a bit every time I hear it. ---- In "I Am A Legend" she's been to "Anglo-land" and beyond the castle walls. Yeoooow!!! This song is a complete hoot! Who says Happy doesn't have a sense of humor? This song is so funny, the way she sings it, and especially the "La-De-Da's" at the end....! Very sly! Beyond that, it's not a "novelty" song. The music and voices and arrangements are totally brilliant! This is Chris' favorite Happy song. Happy wrote about this song: "I wanted respect for my musical abilities, but at the time, I was waitressing and bartending. The people there couldn't have cared less that I was a songwriter. It's funny how much I wanted them all to know how good _I_ thought I was" ---- "I'm Not Awake, I'm Not Asleep" - Happy writes "This song describes what I felt and saw one night, while in a trance-like state" ---- Where Do I Go? - "I think I need people to know that when I use the word "lord" I do not mean it in the religious sense. I'm not speaking to "The Lord" but more to myself. Blasphemous to some, I'm sure" Not to me. I can't imagine another word that would fit better. That song is excruciatingly, heart-wrenchingly honest and powerful. ---- I had asked Happy what nightmare inspired "Beat It Out" and she wrote "Just me, being weird. I think I was testing out my low register. I wasn't in the habit of using it that much at that time" ---- Steve VanDevender writes: > I swear Happy sings "I'm not a peapod, but someday I will pass on > through" in "The Wretches Gone Awry". Steve, I would have disagreed strongly. I was convinced the line was "... _*Under*_ the peapod, but someday we will pass on through" :-) The line is actually "I'll never be part, but someday I will pass on through". > For those of you willing to buy Happy Rhodes's music based on > just our recommendations, the best way I can describe it is that > it's very simple, light-sounding music on the first listen, but > the lyrics are complex and often dark. Vickie's example quote > from "To the FunnyFarm": "And when I go I'll be efficient at > making ashtrays" not only looks rather chilling in print, but the > delivery is subtly amazing. "The First To Cry" is another song > that sounds like some sort of romantic tearjerker if you don't > pay attention, but which seems to be a song about suicide to me. Yes, that's right. Happy's main euphemisms for suicide are the words "oblige" and "comply" and both are used in "The First To Cry" as in "I haven't the courage to oblige" and "If I choose to comply, not one would wonder why would I". It's a heart-wrenchingly sad song about the struggle within (and wondering if anyone would care) and to me it's a sister song to "I Have A Heart" on _Rearmament_. One of my listeners in Kansas City, a very, very nice and gentle man named John Hasseltine, was a Kate, Jane and Happy fan. He committed suicide because his girlfriend left him. I played this song in his honor. ---- I had told Happy that many of her songs make me cry or want to cry and she wrote a very poignant thing about the song "Let me Know, Love": "This is one of the only songs that makes *me* cry when I hear it. It was and is the truest expression of what I was feeling. I finally realized that in order to have peace and love, I'd have to give up my habit of self-loathing. I started fighting back at this point" Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) "I've confided in you, my friend. Now we have something to do" Happy Rhodes 1-Oct-91 14:01:00-GMT,1273;000000000001 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02050; Tue, 1 Oct 91 10:00:19 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA16208; Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:48:22 +0100 Message-Id: <9110011351.AA15764@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Cc: kkluge@materna.de Subject: any news from 'Ecto - The Band' ? Organization: Dr. Materna GmbH Date: Tue, 01 Oct 91 14:51:44 N From: Klaus Kluge Is there any progress from 'Ecto - The Band'? I had been thinking that there would be a good opportunity to distribute your creation(s)/interpretation(s) right now, as Vickie is preparing the SiG-tape. But, more than likely, there wouldn't be enough space for it. Ciao, Klaus. (just back from holiday, and already reading Boston & New England tourist information books) _________________________________________________________ | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | | --- Happy Rhodes --- | | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge kkluge@Materna.DE | 1-Oct-91 14:15:53-GMT,920;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04383; Tue, 1 Oct 91 10:15:47 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA29160; Tue, 1 Oct 91 09:22:33 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 1 Oct 91 06:59:50 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA13488; Tue, 1 Oct 91 06:59:48 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Tue, 1 Oct 91 05:01 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 05:01 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Yoohoo... No one has posted anything in rec.music.misc or rec.music.cd to follow up on the FAQ. Please don't leave me out there all alone. Let other people know that there's other interested listeners too. Vickie 1-Oct-91 14:16:35-GMT,1327;000000000011 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04412; Tue, 1 Oct 91 10:16:29 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA29159; Tue, 1 Oct 91 09:22:33 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 1 Oct 91 06:59:47 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA13485; Tue, 1 Oct 91 06:59:46 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Tue, 1 Oct 91 04:04 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 04:04 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Jessica!!! What would happen to Ecto if you go traipsing around the world as a backup singer for Happy? Is Dave ready to take over? :-) If *I* could sing high and lived near them, I'd sure try out for the coveted spot! Won't it be strange for the woman who ends up getting the gig when she finds out that a fan network is already in place? Whoever it is, she's one lucky lady! Gee Jessica, you already know all the music and everything! Have you sent a tape.......? Unrelated... Cranium "keep" Castle "Keep" The most forified part of the castle. Steve, a Warpaint has your name on it, waiting...waiting.... Vickie 1-Oct-91 15:01:39-GMT,1028;000000000011 Received: from omnigate.clarkson.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08287; Tue, 1 Oct 91 11:00:58 EDT Received: from clutx.clarkson.edu by omnigate.clarkson.edu id aa25292; 1 Oct 91 10:50 EDT Received: by clutx.clarkson.edu (5.54/5.17) id AA05160; Tue, 1 Oct 91 10:50:19 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 10:50:19 EDT From: The Inexplicable Power Message-Id: <9110011450.AA05160@clutx.clarkson.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: FAQ The other day i saw a person on IRC that was under the name of Ecto.. Someone else must have seen this person because when I asked him if he was a Happy fan he said someone else asked him about it. I told him a little about Happy and sent him a FAQ sheet - He was somewhere in Australia -- who knows Happy may get another order from OZ real soon. Talked to Kevin as I was whizzing through Albany. He said he was going to the CMJ con at the end of OCT. in NYC....I might be going - is anyone else?? kIrI hargieka@clutx.clarkson.edu 1-Oct-91 15:46:17-GMT,987;000000000001 Received: from [146.101.100.10] by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13412; Tue, 1 Oct 91 11:45:45 EDT Received: from storax.bnr.co.uk by hedera.bnr.co.uk with Internal SMTP (PP) id <19911001083316-0@hedera.bnr.co.uk>; Tue, 1 Oct 1991 09:33:17 +0100 Received: from ash.bnr.co.uk on storax.bnr.co.uk over SMTP (5.61++/UK-2.1-MX(storax)); Tue, 1 Oct 91 09:33:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 09:33:05 +0100 Message-Id: <0094f759c31a1e89@ash.bnr.co.uk> From: Steve Fagg Subject: Gravesight To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu X-Vms-Mail-To: ECTO I'm not sure this *should* be "corrected" from "gravesight" to "gravesite" because it rather weakens the pun (which I hope was intended!). Is there any chance of getting Happy's input on this, Vickie? -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-429531 Ext 2437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** Vita? Nole me vitae dicere! *** 1-Oct-91 17:31:25-GMT,2326;000000000001 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27559; Tue, 1 Oct 91 13:30:53 EDT Received: from RCA2.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14643; Tue, 1 Oct 91 13:30:50 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by rca2.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11049; Tue, 1 Oct 91 13:19:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9110011719.AA11049@rca2.MIT.EDU> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Happy's music taste Date: Tue, 01 Oct 91 13:19:11 EDT Hi everyone, I couldn't help but notice the following similarities: Happy says: 'My favorite artists are (in no particular order) Jon Anderson and (Yes), Queen, Sting, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, Bryan Ferry, and more recently, Martin Swan of Mouth Music. There are more, but these are the people whose albums I would run out to buy.' I used to have a .sig that went like: +=============================================================================+ | e-mail to: |I LIKE MUSIC BY 10,000 Maniacs, Cure, U2, | | kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu |Lene Lovich, Kate Bush, Laurie Anderson, | |=================================|David Bowie, Velvet Underground, Tribe, O+,| |Hey,been trying to meet you,hey, |Sinead O Connor, Peter Gabriel, Lou Reed, | |mustbeadevilbetweenusorwhoresinmy|Sting,Cavedogs,They eat their own, R.E.M, | |headbut,hey,wherehaveyoubeen? If |Think tree, Sonic Youth, Brian Eno, Queen, | |yougoiwillsurelydie.We're chained|Eurythmics, Prince, Indigo Girls, Pixies | | HEY - THE PIXIES |Violent Femmes, Positive Noise, Pretenders | +=============================================================================+ It IS THIS that brings us together after all... By the way, now that I have more time for my hobby, Happy promoting, how does one go a record store, and ask them to play a CD? If it worked in Oz it could work in Boston. I feel very embarassed for Bostonians, that Philly has discovered Happy's magic, while Boston is sleeping. Has anybody done this? Can you actually get them to order CD's? What if Happy decides to skip Boston, in her tour, since she has virtually no sales here?? Let me know what you think. Angelos +=====================================+ |'My ears have parasites'-hApPy RhOdEs| +=====================================+ 1-Oct-91 18:04:42-GMT,4865;000000000001 Received: from cc.curtin.edu.au by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02675; Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:03:41 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 02:03 +8:00 From: SVODOPIER@cc.curtin.edu.au Subject: Phew!! Lots of stuff... To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"ecto@athos.rutgers.edu" Martin here... Phew... just spent several hours ploughing through all the ecto archives... Pretty impressive stuff when read in one sitting... I'm quite awed. This thing is really expanding quickly isn't it? It's great to be a part of it. A couple of miscellaneous items: Firstly, no, I'm not really a 75 year old cello instructor. :-) I'm a 40 year old insouciant philanthopist trapped inside a 22 year old computer scientist. :-\ Secondly, about the gender "confusion" in Wrong Century, I interpreted the character to be a man throughout the song. Long black hair does not necessarily imply a woman... I think some of you fell into the same trap as the man who finds the time traveller. I assumed the person was a man with long black hair (quite possibly a North American indian), who was mistaken for a woman on arrival in the future because of his hair and strange dress. And I thought it WAS time travel (especially the first bit) and the person fell through some sort of freak hole in the space-time continuum. Any word from Happy herself on this song? Another thing I never saw mentioned in the archives was the connection between Phobos and fear. ie Phobos = phobia. I got into a discussion on this with a couple I loaned my Warpaint CD to for a while. They are quite good friends of mine - I did engineering with Ken some years back - and are both christians. Ken actually "converted" his wife before they got married and she was "born again". However, over the past year or so I've nearly managed to convert Ken back to atheism (I've got him as far as agnosticism :-) but Sue remains quite devout. (incidentally she is a final-year medical student) Anyhow, the point of all this is the response I got from the two when I asked what they thought of the album. Ken loves it unreservedly... he'll buy it as soon as they can afford the cash. When I asked Sue, however, she said: "Well, the music was very good, but ... the lyrics... well..." I pressed her on that and she seemed to think the lyrics were somehow "non-christian" (whatever that means) and cited Phobos as an example. I said, "Well look, it's about facing your fear, making friends with it, and using it instead of it using you - to make your life full and worthwhile." But she couldn't see it like that, she insisted it was "negative" and went against her beliefs in some way... as did most of the rest of the album. I didn't get much chance to discuss it more at the time. It's probably just as well I left it there... I certainly don't want Warpaint to be a cause of marital friction. Anyway... it was interesting. That has been the only negative response I've got so far. I also played Warpaint at a friend's engagement party this weekend. Unfortunately it could not really be heard to full effect over the melee of kids taping napkins to cats and uncles barbecueing and grandparents discussing the prices of the gifts and high-school buddies playing drinking games in the corner etc etc. I still don't understand "Terra Incognita" ... does it mean anything to anyone else? I'm convinced I'm looking at it from the wrong direction. Philip :-) writes: > * In _Waking Up_, 'seering' should be 'searing' without a doubt. In fact, > Daniel, our Australian Ectophile, had it right in his signature. (It's > amazing was grep-ing will turn up!) Yes, it is amazing considering my name is Martin. :-) :-) :-) Golly, look at the length of this. Looks like I just did a Vickie. :-) :-) Don't worry, get Happy! ( <-- I can just see this on the K-Tel T.V. ads for the new album ) Martin ,---------------------------+---------------------------------------n------. | Feel the searing heat of | Martin Dougiamas. ,-\_/ \ | | heightened conciousness. | SDOUGIAMA@cc.curtin.edu.au / | \ | | Feel the yearning for | Curtin University \ |_ / | | peace and happiness. | Perth, Western Australia. ----> x-' `_' | `====== * Happy Rhodes * ===+=======================================V======' P.S. I was serious about taping napkins to cats, above... wrap a large table napkin (ie serviette) around the torso of your cat and put tape around that to hold the napkin in place (doesn't need to be very tight) Put the cat on the ground and it will not be able to walk...in fact it will probably fall over. TRUE! At least, this happens with OZ cats... 1-Oct-91 18:33:56-GMT,1490;000000000001 Received: from cc.curtin.edu.au by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06984; Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:33:23 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 02:32 +8:00 From: SVODOPIER@cc.curtin.edu.au Subject: Music stores To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"ecto@athos.rutgers.edu" Angelos writes: >By the way, now that I have more time for my hobby, Happy promoting, how >does one go a record store, and ask them to play a CD? Pick a big store with a lot of assistants working the counter and do some pre-raid reconnaissance by choosing one of the more sensitive looking girls behind the counter, just before lunchtime when it's quiet. Get friendly with her, chat her up a bit, then casually mention the fabulous CD you happen to have in your hand. She won't be working in the shop because she hates music, will she? In a short while, you can have "Feed the Fire" on at a reasonable volume and it's 20:1 odds the girl will be hooked. With any luck it will still be playing by the time the lunchtime crowd start coming in. Slightly devious perhaps, but all in a good cause. :-) If you're really lucky you could even end up dating the girl, especially because she knows you're the only one with the album within two weeks. :-) BTW, Vickie, the address of the shop I raided is Wesley CD Centre, Wesley Arcade, Perth 6000, Western Australia. Martin (who REALLY ought to get some sleep...) 1-Oct-91 18:47:18-GMT,740;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08886; Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:46:51 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24232; Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:46:46 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:46:46 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9110011846.AA24232@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: re: phobos Hi martin! wow, you do write almost as much as vickie :):) good stuff too! I guess it never became a full topic, but i'm certain at least I have mentioned in various posts that i love the dual meaning of phobos - the moon and fear. neato. One of my favorite songs ever. But then of course, many of happy's songs are some of my favorite ever. :) jessica 1-Oct-91 18:48:37-GMT,817;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA09087; Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:48:17 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24240; Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:48:14 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:48:14 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9110011848.AA24240@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: singing. Ok, i've talked to joe about it, and I'll have to see how the financial situation will be, and if I'll be able to have a job when i'd get back, but i've decided! So long as we can manage it financially (and i'm willing to ask grandparents for a loan for this!!!!!) I'm going to audition to sing backup for Happy on her tour. neato, eh!?!? Of course i have no idea if they'll like my voice, but it's certainly worth a try!! jessica 1-Oct-91 19:07:50-GMT,1056;000000000000 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12066; Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:07:04 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24761; Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:05:38 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:05:36 EDT From: jessica To: Klaus Kluge Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu, kkluge@materna.de Subject: Re: any news from 'Ecto - The Band' ? In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 01 Oct 91 14:51:44 N Message-Id: ecto-band is still waiting for greg :) But he's been busy (haven't we all?) and noone's too ancy :) but hurry up greg! i know *I* am really looking forward to making some music!!!!! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 1-Oct-91 19:10:39-GMT,1570;000000000000 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12541; Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:10:03 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25060; Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:09:50 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:09:42 EDT From: jessica To: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Jessica!!! In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 1 Oct 91 04:04 CDT Message-Id: I only decided yesterday to audition! Had to talk to Joe about it too, but he's supportive (Mel (one of my bosses) said "Joe will probably shoot you and ask questions later" Or something to that effect - but *I* didn't think so, I thought my rumple would be supportive and he is! :) you've got to follow your dreams, he certainly beleives in that :) so anyway, yesterday I woke up with a horrible sore throat and swollen glands! It's not bad enough that i can't sing at all yet, but it's definitely affecting my high range - i'm a little too breathy up there - singong "rocket's tail" is always good test and i sound _ok_ but not good enough for me to send a tape. I"m staying home today. Hopefully i'll be fine by tomorrow :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 1-Oct-91 19:12:39-GMT,878;000000000000 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12812; Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:11:47 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25109; Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:11:24 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:11:17 EDT From: jessica To: The Inexplicable Power Cc: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: FAQ In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 1 Oct 91 10:50:19 EDT Message-Id: what is the CMJ con? clueless me.. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 1-Oct-91 20:03:29-GMT,1304;000000000001 Received: from omnigate.clarkson.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22323; Tue, 1 Oct 91 16:02:42 EDT Received: from clutx.clarkson.edu by omnigate.clarkson.edu id aa00683; 1 Oct 91 16:01 EDT Received: by clutx.clarkson.edu (5.54/5.17) id AA26625; Tue, 1 Oct 91 16:00:41 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 16:00:41 EDT From: The Inexplicable Power Message-Id: <9110012000.AA26625@clutx.clarkson.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: re: re: FAQ CMJ - College Music Journal puts on a big thing down in NYC...it is a chance for Radio people to get together to have discussions, seminars etc. There are also some bands playing, and I would reckon that there will be plenty of indies trying to get their work out. Jessica - i envy you! When I talked with Kevin he said they were also looking for female keyboard players and asked me ( i think i was kinda spacing when i talked to him so might have misinterpreted him) if i wanted to send a demo tape - I was like NOT! :) It's too bad keyboards are my worst instrument - cause if i played them well I wouldnt hesitate to send a tape. good luck! kIrI hargieka@clutx.clarkson.edu `This cup contains scalding hot coffee if you make a sexist remark I will pour it on your crotch Have a Nice Day 1-Oct-91 20:36:18-GMT,4792;000000000001 Received: from ccncsu.ColoState.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA26597; Tue, 1 Oct 91 16:35:04 EDT Received: from olympic.ATMOS.ColoState.EDU by ccncsu.ColoState.EDU (5.59/Ultrix2.0-B) id AA00574; Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:34:23 MDT Received: by olympic.atmos.coloState.edu (4.1/GENERIC HACK Sendmail.cf 5/24/89) id AA05122; Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:28:42 MDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:28:42 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Message-Id: <9110012028.AA05122@olympic.atmos.coloState.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Stuff Greetings, No typos to uncover this time, except for my own. You Ectophiles are just so forgiving. My lumber room memory inexcusably botched up Martin's name, which he forgives with _three_ smileys. My long list of _Warpaint_ typos holds a typo of its own, and only one person points it out (well, 'twelfth' should be spelled 'twelvth'!) and by private e-mail, too! If this keeps up, we have to start Ecto: The Flame War someday, just for the variety. :-) :-) I'm still digesting Happy's answers to the long list of questions, which cast a little different light on her songs overall. I'll have to read through them some more, and listen to her albums one more time, before I come to any conclusions. (Tough life, ain't it!) In any case, when they are published in _Homeground_, I do suggest some re-ordering of the questions. The juxtaposition of the trivial with the technical, the profound with the silly was unintentionally funny at times. I enjoyed the serendipity, but it would prove jarring to our would-be converts. My favorite example was: "A lot of your songs carry a somewhat anti-'normal' society message - what do you think of this great big (piggish) world we live in - or is it just a dream??", followed immediately by "How often do you feed your cats?" Talk about shifting mental gears quickly! Vickie wrote: > When it comes to many and lengthy posts, you're a piker Doug :-) but then, > I've got the burn (flame) scars to show for my output. Were you around a > year or so ago when my long posts caused a minor flame war? Yeah, I was around then. I actually posted two Happy items to .gaffa, quite effusively glowing ones. The first started one of the minor threads about her album covers (which look more and more appropriate as time passes). The second was part of the posting landslide which ignited that flame war. I earned a few scars of my own. While I still enjoy reading .gaffa, a lot of its specialness, its magic (though not KaTe's, of course) is gone. As for my being quiet until now, I've lurked in the background of .gaffa for a couple of years now, tossing in the very occasional post. However, I get the feeling that subjects on .gaffa have been thoroughly disected and digested dozens of times over. KaTe's long interalbum eras don't help. However, in Ecto: the Mailing List, we have five whole albums practically dropped in our laps in one shot. That's a huge virgin field to plow, a huge amount of material to mine. Add in the feeling of joint discovery with other Ectophiles, and I (at least) am encouraged to say more than I usually would. The subject of my post is much more likely to be worthwhile and fresh to more people. I am much more willing to spend the time on my posts. Though I love to write, my writing comes slowly. my first drafts are usually unreadable, a string of disjointed ideas, awkwardly stated. Only a lot of editting raises to my personal standards. For example, this relatively short straightforward post took an hour and twenty minutes (a too long lunch break) to put together. Meanwhile, on my home computer, three posts are in various stages of construction. Yet they won't show up on Ecto: the Mailing List until another week or two (or three?!). Yet even then, I started quietly on Ecto, in spite of bursting with things to say. Well, maybe I had some reluctance to break the ice, but Ecto was just created at the wrong time. Summer is my busiest time at work. The graduate students I work for/with do the largest part of their research in the summer, which increases my workload tremendously. Two wonderful two-week vacations (yes, total of four weeks!) didn't help that at all. From mid-June until just last week, my pace at work was more than hectic. I lacked the energy and time to post. Now I have it, especially with classes starting for the students and our seven-month long winter settling in. (We've already had our first freeze and our first snow is overdue!). Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! Jorn: Why are you holding your fingers like that on the cover of Warpaint? Happy: Crazy Glue accident. 1-Oct-91 20:48:40-GMT,2164;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28440; Tue, 1 Oct 91 16:48:28 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27917; Tue, 1 Oct 91 16:48:25 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 16:48:25 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9110012048.AA27917@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: argh! i didn't realize how much i sing throught the day 'til today! I'm determined not to sing at all today to try to help my throat get better. I sang the whole way home last ngiht in the car and I don't tihnk it was a good idea (was fun though :) so today i'm trying not to sing and it's *really* hard! especially when listening to Kate!!! eep. About Ecto the zine: I guess i'll go with October 15th release date. I'm sorry it has gotten so late! I've got the negative now (and developed, WOW It is a NICE picture :):):) and i'm pretty much ready with stuff but I need help with the typesetting and our local expert (hi dave :) has been even busier than me lately (poor guy!) so i'm just trying for a time for both of us to get together. I'm pretty sure Oct. 15th is plenty of time. At least we'll still be sticking to the schedule, just starting one issue late. ah well. The first issue is the hardest. once it's ready, i can use it as a template (especially the cover) for the rest that follow. About happy and pictures: she is just going to *have* to allow to photograph her! I'm sure a lot of people's favorite collectible-thing of Kate are *pictures*, it is for me anyway. I *love* that there are so many fabulous pictures of kate. I love looking for them and collecting them, and I really hope Happy fans will be able to do the same - I was tihnking about Kate's photos - many of them are very theatrical, wearing different neat outfits, different hairdos, different makeup, it seems like she really had a fun time trying out different looks and different photos. I'd love to do something similar for happy. well, I hope she'll become more relaxed about photos. she looks great in pictures! the ones i've seen anyway, and i tihnk photos are a HUGE help in promotion.. jessica 1-Oct-91 23:18:37-GMT,1003;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19776; Tue, 1 Oct 91 19:18:22 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA20656; Tue, 1 Oct 91 18:16:55 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 1 Oct 91 16:55:09 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03963; Tue, 1 Oct 91 16:55:07 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:43 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:44 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Playing Happy in stores First, look to see if they have a copy. It's always easier to get them to pplay things if you say "I'd like to buy this but I want to hear what it sounds like" and if they don't have a copy? Variations on Martin's suggestions, that's a much harder task. Good luck! Vickie 1-Oct-91 23:18:43-GMT,1140;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19782; Tue, 1 Oct 91 19:18:38 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA20654; Tue, 1 Oct 91 18:16:55 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 1 Oct 91 16:55:06 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03957; Tue, 1 Oct 91 16:55:03 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:42 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 15:42 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Go Jessica!!!!! Rah Rah Rah!!!! Gimme a "J"! etc. Good for you! All the very best luck from this quarter, you bet! My only worry is what will happen to Ecto and Ectozine if you get the job. Ectozine could wait, but I don't know WHAT I'd do if the mailing list went bye bye. Somethingto think about. Oh this is so great. I would be so utterly happy for you Jessica. Best wishes (take care of that throat!) and good luck... Vickie 1-Oct-91 23:53:35-GMT,1497;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22389; Tue, 1 Oct 91 19:53:30 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01079; Tue, 1 Oct 91 19:53:28 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 19:53:28 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9110012353.AA01079@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto the list and ecto the zine :) Don't worry! if i *do* go off touring, i'd not lose my computer accounts - ecto the list can go on happily by itself and I can maintain it from afar - I'll bring my terminal wherever i go, that's for sure!! Ecto the zine on the other hand, I'd leave to greg and dave i tihnk - greg (heh, i can say this, he's away 'til friday!! No, seriously, I tihnk he'd be interested and more than capable) could easily handle the gathering and formatting of info - he's a good writer/editor and certinaly a happy fan, and dave can help with the typesetting. I don't imagine the tour would be very long, actually? If they are only going to play cities where her music is being played on the radio, then how many cities does that add up to? It's not like i'd be away for years or anything :) Anyway, i tihnk there is plenty of ecto-support for all the ecto stuff to go on even if i *do* go touring :) And i mean it quite seriously that i'd take my terminal with me. I'd go armed with as many public access numbers as i can get my hands on, and I'd dial long distance in the worst case :) jessica 2-Oct-91 0:39:43-GMT,3979;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27780; Tue, 1 Oct 91 20:39:21 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA00273; Tue, 1 Oct 91 20:39:13 EDT Message-Id: <9110020039.AA00273@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Stuff (yes, a worthy title) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 1 Oct 91 14:28:42 MDT ." <9110012028.AA05122@olympic.atmos.coloState.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 91 20:39:12 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu > >Greetings, >No typos to uncover this time, except for my own. You Ectophiles are just >so forgiving. My lumber room memory inexcusably botched up Martin's name, >which he forgives with _three_ smileys. My long list of _Warpaint_ typos >holds a typo of its own, and only one person points it out (well, 'twelfth' >should be spelled 'twelvth'!) and by private e-mail, too! HA! You're *really* having trouble with this one, aren't you, Doug? In your original posting, you "typoed" twelfth as "twelvth." (I don't count it as a typo but as a spelling mistake. Big difference.) You then appologized for it, but in your appology you made the same mistake. Once and for all: TWELFTH As in _Twelfth Night_: a Shakespearian comedy that is sadly lacking in that it contains no fairies singing songs for Happy to set to music. On the plus side, though, it was the play I once saw performed by a 5-person case--each actor constantly donning different hats to signify the current character. One of the funniest productions I've ever seen of anything! Anyway. Somebody already pointed out that changing "gravesight" to gravesite ruins the pun. One one hand, I agree with this. On the other hand, I've never been able to come up with a satisfactory reading of the pun that would make its inclusion justifiable. I just don't think it's a very good pun. Which brings me back to wondering whether or not it was a mistake...and whether or not the "s" was dropped on purpose (grammatically, it should be, "...I leave many gravesites...") Oh dear. Am I becoming a grammar queen in my old age? ("And we pause for the jets....") Somebody was talking about their xian friend having a problem with some of _Warpaint_'s lyrics. I'm mystified that this woman refuses to acknowledge your interpretation of "Phobos." On the other hand, I could certainly imagine a religious sort having a problem with a song like, "Lay Me Down"-- a dank and rotten core surrounded by the utter beauty of the music and vocals (and one of my faves off _Warpaint_). Lyrics like, "The night crawls in" certainly evoke a satanic image, and one might mistake the way Happy forces beauty into it as a welcoming acceptance of these dark things. I would not recommend letting this woman hear the earlier albums. Songs like "The Revelation" ("There's only me and my beast") might not get a good reception. ;-) I've finally gotten to listen to Happy again lately. I have this little problem...I can only afford to use rechargeable batteries in the walkman I carry to and from work and everywhere else I go. For some reason, probably a combination of the tapes, the walkman, and the age of the batteries, Happy's tapes won't play in my walkman when I'm using my rechargeables (they work fine with new alkilines). The result of all this is that I can't listen to Happy in my day-to-day routine. And as I hadn't been doing much driving, I didn't even to get to hear her there. Over the last week and a half, though, I've done lots of driving for various reasons. Ah...so wonderful to hear everything again! Now if only I could figure out why my right-rear speaker is making that god-awful buzzing sound, especially on low notes (it goes crazy on "Crystal Orbs" and "Beat It Out"). Does anyone (read: Vickie) know if WHFS, the only station in DC likely to play Happy, has a copy of _Warpaint_? Jeff "Would that I could, I'd be loving my Oberon..." 2-Oct-91 2:12:47-GMT,651;000000000001 Received: from leland.Stanford.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA09382; Tue, 1 Oct 91 22:12:03 EDT Received: by leland.Stanford.EDU (5.57/25-eef) id AA23777; Tue, 1 Oct 91 19:11:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 19:11:58 -0700 From: drk@leland.stanford.edu (David Koehler) Message-Id: <9110020211.AA23777@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: Subject: Happy on KKSF I've heard (second hand) that KKSF in San Francisco is playing Happy. This is great for Happy because KKSF is very popular and reaches all over the Bay Area. KKSF is a New Age station, though. I never thought of Happy's music as New Age ... David 2-Oct-91 2:15:56-GMT,732;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA09769; Tue, 1 Oct 91 22:15:46 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA04598; Tue, 1 Oct 91 21:30:46 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 1 Oct 91 20:28:22 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA06289; Tue, 1 Oct 91 20:28:20 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Tue, 1 Oct 91 18:04 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 18:04 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Puns intended :-) Vickie 2-Oct-91 3:22:26-GMT,1144;000000000001 Received: from bakerst.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17371; Tue, 1 Oct 91 23:21:57 EDT Received: by bakerst.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06495; Tue, 1 Oct 91 23:21:50 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 23:21:50 EDT From: steiner@bakerst.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9110020321.AA06495@bakerst.rutgers.edu> To: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: (katefans@chinet.chi.il.us) Subject: Re: Go Jessica!!!!! Hi all, this is the Dave Jessica keeps refering to (well, once in a while anyway). Not to worry about the list...if Jess became Happy's backup singer, the least I can do is run the mailing list. Don't think I would have the time to deal with Ectozine properly but the list would be no problem. So lets all wish Jess all the best. BTW, while I've been very quiet on this list I've really enjoyed all the insight and discussion onto Happy's music....thanks for the good times and keep it up ya'all. ds Dave Steiner arpa: Steiner@BakerSt.Rutgers.Edu or Steiner@Rutgers.Edu uucp: ...{backbone site}!rutgers!bakerst.rutgers.edu!steiner 2-Oct-91 4:42:48-GMT,3824;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25526; Wed, 2 Oct 91 00:42:18 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA00670; Wed, 2 Oct 91 00:42:16 EDT Message-Id: <9110020442.AA00670@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Phew!! Lots of stuff... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 2 Oct 1991 02:03 +8:00 ." Date: Wed, 02 Oct 91 00:42:15 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu >Martin here... >Secondly, about the gender "confusion" in Wrong Century, I interpreted >the character to be a man throughout the song. Long black hair does not >necessarily imply a woman... I think some of you fell into the same trap >as the man who finds the time traveller. Pah. I believe I started the discussion about the gender of the main character...and I almost never fall into the 'trap' of assuming someone with long hair is a woman. You see, I have long black hair. I'm not saying this makes me immune to societal preconceptions. But it does help. You've got to look at the dialog between the man and the main character... "Girl, I think you've come to the wrong century" There is no question that the man is addressing what he *thinks* is a woman for whatever reason. "Now let me get this straight, man / Not only am I woman / but I'm stuck in this spooky place." Part of it seems to revolve around whether "not only am I woman" is a question (as in, "not only have I travelled in time, but I've turned from a man into a woman?") or a statement--it could be an almost PC jab...firmly telling the man that *she* is a _woman_, not a girl. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it *is* vague. If the idea was that the long-haired person was setting the man straight that "he" is male and not female, it could have been written that way. Happy states in "Poetic Justice" that she's not one for vagueness ("Just hit it right on you can be precise"). There's *nothing* precise about the way this portion is written. Hmmm. I just had this sudden thought of "Words Weren't Made for Cowards" being a sort of sequel to "Poetic Justice." Thoughts? >Any word from Happy herself on this song? I guess this what we really need on "Wrong Century." >I still don't understand "Terra Incognita" ... does it mean anything to >anyone else? I'm convinced I'm looking at it from the wrong direction. Well, the first stanza very clearly describes...oh hell, I can't remember what they're called. But they're these little clear stick things filled with liquid and colored bubles and stars and stuff and they're very trippy to play with, and the company that makes them has even started selling a thingy making the stick into the focus of a kaleidoscope. As for the rest of the song, well, the character is imagining herself as a different being inside an imaginary universe inspired by looking at this little stick of glass--but here's the kicker--the main character has turned into a *cat* in her dream world. There seems to be a fairly direct reference to Klibahn's (sp?) cat poster--the one with the cat singing, "Love to eat those mousies/ mousies what I love to eat. / Bite they little heads of / nibble on they tiny feet." Of course, Happy writes, "...something for they teethies to bite...." It's such a strange construction, and we know that Happy's a cat person, so I can't help but see a connection. The actions the new character assumed strongly make me think of kittens... running around, playing with sunbeams, jumping at one thing then immediately finding a new play-thing. And so on. Hmmm. Happy's a Gabriel fan. Was the "chasing flutterby" line inspired by the Willow Farm segment of Genesis' "Supper's Ready"? It's bed time. G'night... Jeff 2-Oct-91 5:47:28-GMT,2083;000000000001 Received: from cc.curtin.edu.au by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06570; Wed, 2 Oct 91 01:47:07 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 13:46 +8:00 From: SVODOPIER@cc.curtin.edu.au Subject: Wrong Century and Terra Incognita To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <46E8094D60800745@cc.curtin.edu.au> X-Envelope-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"ecto@athos.rutgers.edu" Earlier, I wrote: >Secondly, about the gender "confusion" in Wrong Century, I interpreted >the character to be a man throughout the song. Jeff, in part, replies: >Part of it seems to revolve around whether "not only am I woman" is a >question (as in, "not only have I travelled in time, but I've turned from >a man into a woman?") or a statement--it could be an almost PC jab...firmly >telling the man that *she* is a _woman_, not a girl. I guess what I'm >trying to say is that it *is* vague. ...yes, you're dead right. This sentence is the crux of the confusion. I was inclined to believe the interpretation you put first, though, because later there is the line "I am a peaceful man." Of course, having the whole thing sung by a woman doesn't help. :-) < Jeff then lucidly explains Terra Incognita > Aaaaahhhh. Now it makes sense! Thanks. I've never seen one of these sticks before, and I'm not a "cat person", so it seems I didn't have the requisite reference structure in my head. But now, listening to it, the song definitely reminds me of the way kittens behave ... > running around, playing with sunbeams, jumping at one thing then > immediately finding a new play-thing. And so on. Exactly. Gosh I like this album. Martin ,-------------------------+---------------------------------------n------. | "First things first. | Martin Dougiamas. ,-\_/ \ | | But not necessarily | SDOUGIAMA@cc.curtin.edu.au / | \ | | in that order." | Curtin University \ |_ / | | -- Dr. Who | Perth, Western Australia. ----> x-' `_' | `=========================+=======================================V======' 2-Oct-91 6:21:01-GMT,705;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10046; Wed, 2 Oct 91 02:20:53 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA15266; Wed, 2 Oct 91 02:20:51 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 91 02:20:51 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9110020620.AA15266@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: it's late and so i'm more susceptible to such things.. but i'm just feeling an incredibly wonderful warm sort of glowy feeling. it's just so wonderful to be able to share all these thoughts abotu such great music!!! such amazing and wonderful people, gathering to talk about wonderful stuff. *My* ears are lucky too!!!!!! jessica 2-Oct-91 6:21:19-GMT,445;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10057; Wed, 2 Oct 91 02:21:12 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA15276; Wed, 2 Oct 91 02:21:09 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 91 02:21:09 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9110020621.AA15276@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: oops or would "eyes and fingers are lucky" be more appropriate? :) jessica 2-Oct-91 7:15:58-GMT,1648;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16808; Wed, 2 Oct 91 03:15:44 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA18635; Wed, 2 Oct 91 02:16:10 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Tue, 1 Oct 91 23:47:42 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA08017; Tue, 1 Oct 91 23:47:40 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Tue, 1 Oct 91 22:01 CDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 91 22:01 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: DejaVu Talk about typos and spelling errors, I've made a few dillys of my own since I've started typing more on-line. I just posted in gaffa about that. I also commented on collecting Kate photos. Jessica, I hope we can get together sometime just to compare collections! I don't think Happy will ever become very comfortable with photos. We talked about it before. She absolutely *hates* to have her picture taken I understand that, because I'm the same way, but whe's just going to have to get used to it, if she doesn't want to, she might as well quit with the promotion of her music. Publicity is going to have to become part of their lives, even in a minor way. We'll not see Happy splashed up on the sides of busses or billboards, but any kind of fame at all will have to include photos. She knows that, she just is dreading it. I am glad to see you writing more Doug. We need to get more people involved in writing. Thanks Vickie 2-Oct-91 10:00:27-GMT,1537;000000000001 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28445; Wed, 2 Oct 91 05:59:51 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA28017; Wed, 2 Oct 91 10:46:54 +0100 Message-Id: <9110020944.AA19315@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Cc: kkluge@materna.de Subject: Ecto - The Video Clip Organization: Dr. Materna GmbH Date: Wed, 02 Oct 91 10:44:00 N From: Klaus Kluge Reading the question about Happy's interest/plans for a video in the interview posting and her answer, I couldn't resist thinking about a video myself when listening to _Warpaint_ this morning. >From what Happy wrote, and from my own feelings about that song, it simply can't have the fast cuts we find in most videos today. It deserves long fadings to the next scene. Actually I had to think about some of the clips on Peter Gabriels 'CV' (my favourite collection), probably a mixture between 'Red Rain' and 'Don't Give Up' (the version without KaTe). Well, shall finish one of our recent projects, or start a new one: 'Ecto - The Video Clip'? ;) _________________________________________________________ | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | | --- Happy Rhodes --- | | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge kkluge@Materna.DE | 2-Oct-91 11:15:57-GMT,2146;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04843; Wed, 2 Oct 91 07:15:45 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA02159; Wed, 2 Oct 91 06:15:47 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Wed, 2 Oct 91 04:54:06 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA11166; Wed, 2 Oct 91 04:54:05 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Wed, 2 Oct 91 04:28 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 91 04:28 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Happy Gabriel Jeff, yes. The "flutterby" connection is a solid one. That was something that jumped out at me the first time I heard the album. _Foxtrot_ was the first album I ever bought by Genesis and I listened to it about a thousand times, so that word was firmly ingrained in my head. Happy's an early (with Peter) Genesis fan, so it's certain that's where she got it from. I asked Happy once about Wrong Century and she was....vague :-) I missed something somewhere. I never got Matin's post asking about that song. Jorn called to tell me about another (same?) post where Martin told of barbeques and cat napkins. Never got that one. Could some kind soul e-mail it to me? Thank you. Dave S., I got 2 letters from you, both to "katefans" and since you started the letter with "Hi all" was one of them supposed to go to Ecto? Should I send it along? David K. thanks for the into on the SFO station. I have a bit of info about it, I'll post tomorrow. Klaus, welcome back! Jeff, I want to see a phot of you! I love to see long hair on guys. Chris' hair is longer than mine, and mine is pretty long. Yay for non-heavy metal types who wear long hair!! Doug, the Happy wars were a different thing than the "were you around a year or so ago when..." That had to do with someone threatening to leave gaffa because of my posts. Had nothing to do with Happy. You people are so great, I agree with Jessica. Gosh I like you guys! Vickie 2-Oct-91 11:53:26-GMT,1015;000000000001 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07156; Wed, 2 Oct 91 07:53:17 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA06774; Wed, 2 Oct 91 12:49:22 +0100 Message-Id: <9110021152.AA20202@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Cc: kkluge@materna.de Subject: cat napkins ??? Organization: Dr. Materna GmbH Date: Wed, 02 Oct 91 12:52:36 N From: Klaus Kluge Like Vickie, I haven't read anything about cat napkins. And I'd really like to know about them. Might be vital on day. So, please send me a copy of that message as well. Thanks, Klaus. ____________________________________________________________________ | | Klaus Kluge | | Now I will believe That there are unicorns. | (Unicornuus Marinus) | | (W. Shakespeare - The Tempest III.3) | kkluge@Materna.DE | 2-Oct-91 14:06:11-GMT,2186;000000000001 Received: from convex.convex.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19904; Wed, 2 Oct 91 10:05:53 EDT Received: from magnum.convex.com by convex.convex.com (5.61/1.35) id AA25278; Wed, 2 Oct 91 09:06:02 -0500 Received: by magnum.convex.com (5.64/1.28) id AA15541; Wed, 2 Oct 91 09:06:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 91 09:06:01 -0500 From: foster@magnum.convex.com (Harry Foster) Message-Id: <9110021406.AA15541@magnum.convex.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Hello Earth ... Hello all, Jeff's wonderful interpretation of "Terra Incognita": > > > Well, the first stanza very clearly describes...oh hell, I can't remember > what they're called. But they're these little clear stick things filled > with liquid and colored bubles and stars and stuff and they're very trippy > to play with, and the company that makes them has even started selling a > thingy making the stick into the focus of a kaleidoscope. As for the > rest of the song, well, the character is imagining herself as a different > being inside an imaginary universe inspired by looking at this little > stick of glass--but here's the kicker--the main character has turned > into a *cat* in her dream world. There seems to be a fairly direct > reference to Klibahn's (sp?) cat poster--the one with the cat singing, "Love > to eat those mousies/ mousies what I love to eat. / Bite they little heads > of / nibble on they tiny feet." Of course, Happy writes, "...something for > they teethies to bite...." It's such a strange construction, and we know > that Happy's a cat person, so I can't help but see a connection. The > actions the new character assumed strongly make me think of kittens... > running around, playing with sunbeams, jumping at one thing then immediately > finding a new play-thing. And so on. > This is interesting. I've been trying to figure out what the back ground vocals are singing. It's something like: "Did they wanta hide, hide, hide, hide ... saga ? Many do. Does anyone know what she is saying here ? -- Harry Foster foster@convex.com "A man should be greater than some of his parts." -Peter DeVries 2-Oct-91 14:52:39-GMT,1940;000000000001 Received: from ccncsu.ColoState.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00625; Wed, 2 Oct 91 10:52:27 EDT Received: from olympic.ATMOS.ColoState.EDU by ccncsu.ColoState.EDU (5.59/Ultrix2.0-B) id AA12288; Wed, 2 Oct 91 08:43:55 MDT Received: by olympic.atmos.coloState.edu (4.1/GENERIC HACK Sendmail.cf 5/24/89) id AA06983; Wed, 2 Oct 91 08:38:11 MDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 91 08:38:11 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Message-Id: <9110021438.AA06983@olympic.atmos.coloState.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Stuff (yes, a worthy title) Greetings, Jeff wrote: > HA! You're *really* having trouble with this one, aren't you, Doug? No, where I really had trouble was trying to make a joke in writing. I realized as I went home yesterday, that I didn't quite pull it off, and it would probably sink faster than a lead sunset. I won't compound my error by trying to explain it! It ain't worth it! > Somebody already pointed out that changing "gravesight" to gravesite > ruins the pun. One one hand, I agree with this. On the other hand, I've > never been able to come up with a satisfactory reading of the pun that > would make its inclusion justifiable. I just don't think it's a very good > pun. Which brings me back to wondering whether or not it was a mistake...and > whether or not the "s" was dropped on purpose (grammatically, it should > be, "...I leave many gravesites...") I debated with myself whether this was a typo or not, and I agree with you. I just couldn't see any reason for the pun. As for the plurals, note that Happy leaves the 's' off a number of plurals in the song, apparently keeping with the Amerind motif she chose. As for _Wrong Century_ and _Terra Incognito_, all I can say is "Bingo!". By the way, good luck, Jessica. Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! 2-Oct-91 14:59:47-GMT,6596;000000000001 Received: from ccncsu.ColoState.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01537; Wed, 2 Oct 91 10:59:30 EDT Received: from olympic.ATMOS.ColoState.EDU by ccncsu.ColoState.EDU (5.59/Ultrix2.0-B) id AA12440; Wed, 2 Oct 91 09:00:25 MDT Received: by olympic.atmos.coloState.edu (4.1/GENERIC HACK Sendmail.cf 5/24/89) id AA06997; Wed, 2 Oct 91 08:54:43 MDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 91 08:54:43 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Message-Id: <9110021454.AA06997@olympic.atmos.coloState.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Desiderata deteriorated Greetings, Well, you can now decide for yourself whether the lyrics of _Ode_ are reminiscent of the _Deteriorata_. You have the lyrics to the former. Here are the lyrics to the latter, as transcribed from Les Crane's version. (I couldn't find my printed copy). Desiderata Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant. They too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter. For always, there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career. However humble, it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is. Many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not fain affection. Neither be cynical about love. For in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe. No less than the trees and the stars, you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive him to be. And whatever your aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace with your soul. With all of its shams, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ----- While the goals and slant are different, maybe you can see why I call _Ode_ Happy's _Desiderata_. As for the _Desiderata_ itself, you probably have to have lived in the late Sixties to understand why this old writing enjoyed a minor revival. It fit the spirit of the times so well, that I was surprised to learn it was much older. (By the way, you definitely know the late Sixties/ early Seventies if you can say the one word that invariably greeted the end of this record. All together now -- "Heavy!".) Yet even today it holds as much plain common sense as one could find in such a short writing, though today's world is far too cynical and 'sophisticated' to heed it. [End of sermon.] However, the world probably still can identify with its parody, whose lyrics follow immediately: Deteriorata Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof. Avoid quiet and passive persons unless you are in need of sleep. Rotate your tires. Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself, and heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys. Know what to kiss, and when. Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do. Wherever possible, put people on hold. Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintenance. Remember the Pueblo. Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate. Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI. Exercise caution in your daily affairs, especially with those persons closest to you, that lemon on your left, for instance. Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarcely get your feet wet. Fall not in love therefore, it will stick to your face. Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan, and let not the sand of time get in your lunch. Hire people with hooks. For a good time, call 606-4311. Ask for Ken. Take heart under the deepening gloom, that your dog is finally getting enough cheese, and reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee. You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here, and whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. Therefore, make peace with your God, whatever you conceive him to be: hairy thunderer or cosmic muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. Give up! [from the album _Radio Dinner_ by National Lampoon. Written by Micheal O'Donoghue and Tony Hendra. Copyright 1972, National Lampoon, Inc. Used without permission.] ----- This bit has aged quite well. Hell, some lines (e.g., putting people on hold) are probably more apropos today. Still, a few references may be a bit obscure for our younger Ectophiles. First, this was released during a big nationwide ad campaign for a dog food that finally gave your dog the cheese it needs. (Can anyone remember which company did it?) Second, does anyone remember the Pueblo? If not, it was a US spy ship seized by the North Koreans in their territorial waters in 1968. The North Koreans held the crew prisoner for quite a long while. Third, "Do Not Fold, Bend, Spindle, or Mutilate" was a ubiquitous phrase in the heydey of what were then called IBM cards. Computer cards were used by many companies in their billings and mailings. Folding, bending, spindling (look it up!), or mutilating would cause the card reader to jam or misread. Personally I punched my last computer card in 1979. I was damned glad to see them go, though they still make great scratch paper. Ah, nostalgia! Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! This was brought to you by the Republican Party, a divison of IT&T Leisure Services. 2-Oct-91 15:28:09-GMT,927;000000000001 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA05175; Wed, 2 Oct 91 11:27:59 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA24803; Wed, 2 Oct 91 15:24:08 GMT Message-Id: <9110021527.AA21291@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Cc: kkluge@materna.de Subject: thanks Organization: Dr. Materna GmbH Date: Wed, 02 Oct 91 16:27:20 N From: Klaus Kluge Thanks Martin !!! You saved at least two of us from missing your very interesting message. _________________________________________________________ | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | | --- Happy Rhodes --- | | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge kkluge@Materna.DE | 2-Oct-91 18:48:22-GMT,4852;000000000001 Received: from rutvm1.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19614; Wed, 2 Oct 91 14:47:47 EDT Message-Id: <9110021847.AA19614@aramis.rutgers.edu> Received: from RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU by RutVM1.Rutgers.Edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2280; Wed, 02 Oct 91 14:47:59 EDT Received: from UICVM by RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 3753; Wed, 02 Oct 91 14:47:58 EDT Received: by UICVM (Mailer R2.07) id 6988; Wed, 02 Oct 91 13:47:28 CDT Date: 2 October 1991 11:39:31 CDT From: To: Subject: Another interpretation of "Terra Incognita" My interpretation of the song is perhaps less complex than Jeff's. To me, it is simply one more ode to the real or imagined joys of childhood--human, rather than feline, in this case. The notion that the song is about cats is indeed credible, given Happy's fondness for them, and the resemblance of lines like "Something for they teethies to bite" to passages from Kliban's "Love to eat them mousies" calendar. Be all this as it may, Happy's talents--and tendencies-- as a wordsmith are familiar to all of us, so that these unconventional constructions should not always connote the first thing that comes to mind that they seem to resemble. To be sure, the driving rhythm, and perhaps the melody, of "Terra" are atypical of songs about childhood, and perhaps more characteristic of songs about sorties into a parallel universe, as someone else has theorized. The fact that Happy's own childhood was something of a bummer, if I recall accurately the assertions made in these pages in the past, would seem to make it less likely--taken at face value-- that she would be inclined to write paeans to that developmental stage. But enough armchair psychoanalysis; let's cut to the actual lyrics. The lines "I have a little stick of glass/With a blue and green universe/ When I turn it upside down/Stars go back and forth/And round and round" seem to me to refer to a somewhat glitzier version of the familiar fluid- filled snow-scene-in-a-globe things, this time with something other than snow floating in the liquid. It does also evoke images of looking through kaleidoscopes. To people my age, admittedly, all this can connote something positively psychedelic, especially when followed by "It's another world now"; but to the probable "narrator," as such people used to be called in my old high school English classes, it most likely is nothing more than a stimulus to the imagination--something for which little kids are reputedly still notorious. :-) "I think I'll go and look around for/Something for they teethies to bite," IMHO WIVH*, refers to nothing more than the typical appetite of the very young; it makes no necessary reference to mice and/or cats. (To be sure, this statement is made from the perspective of an ex-dog person; but that's neither here nor there. :-) ) As for the use of the third-person, plural pronoun: recall the great words of Lewis Carroll, something to the effect that his words meant whatever he wanted them to. For all that, the caloric intake must have accomplished its intended purpose if "I can run and play with all my might." There seems to me top be nothing particularly mystical (though, like much of Happy's writing, it often _sounds_ mystical) about lines like "Close they eyes/I wake in much surprise/I run and jump on/Sunbeams dancing by"; or "I'll wait and then fly through the air/Then find another subject of play/There's too much to see in just one day"; or "Small and big/ This body I fit in/Is full of life/And chasing flutterby." Just the musings of a normally hyperactive toddler, though I never met one in reality whose vocabulary was quite up to that level. The bottom line, at any rate, is that the meaning of the song need not necessarily be as convoluted as those posited heretofore. BTW: I'd like to add my name to Harry Foster's expressions of perplexity about what is being sung in the backup vocals between the verses listed on the inlay card. It vaguely sounds to me like some of it is in a foreign language, perhaps either French or Latin (of all things). Anyone have any ideas? (I realize that all this evokes my similar kvetching a while back in regard to "Waking Up," but that did get the mystery solved in time. I would urge Happy to keep all this in mind when designing inlay cards for the next album, and include these inter-verse interjections in the printed lyrics.) Mitch Pravatiner Internet: U38373 at uicvm.uic.edu (note new email address) _____________ *"In my humble opinion, which I value highly." (First heard on "Dick Buckley's Archives of Jazz," WBEZ Chicago, June 1991.) 2-Oct-91 20:24:46-GMT,1186;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02154; Wed, 2 Oct 91 16:24:14 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27492; Wed, 2 Oct 91 16:24:05 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 91 16:24:03 EDT From: jessica To: Klaus Kluge Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu, kkluge@materna.de Subject: Re: Ecto - The Video Clip In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 02 Oct 91 10:44:00 N Message-Id: We have some nice video equiptment here :) *grin* Many of happy's songs evoke images in my mind - maybe when (if?) i ever get some time I'll play around with making an animation that goes to one of the songs.. Woj, you might have fun doing stuff like that? And you still need to come visit and see the video stuff anyway! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 2-Oct-91 23:16:23-GMT,919;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22863; Wed, 2 Oct 91 19:15:55 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA08448; Wed, 2 Oct 91 18:16:47 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Wed, 2 Oct 91 15:49:26 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA23454; Wed, 2 Oct 91 15:49:23 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Wed, 2 Oct 91 15:15 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 91 15:15 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Again... I just got on line to post and had a letter from someone who saw my FAQ in .misc. They had just bought Warpaint in Philly and the store told him that they were "selling like hotcakes." Alright! Vickie 2-Oct-91 23:17:45-GMT,526;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23061; Wed, 2 Oct 91 19:17:36 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00837; Wed, 2 Oct 91 19:17:33 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 91 19:17:33 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9110022317.AA00837@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Again... Cool Beans!! Hm, does anyone know the number for the station that is playing Happy in Philly? Maybe I can actually get it from home.. jessica 2-Oct-91 23:24:39-GMT,4735;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23800; Wed, 2 Oct 91 19:24:33 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA08445; Wed, 2 Oct 91 18:16:45 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Wed, 2 Oct 91 15:49:23 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA23451; Wed, 2 Oct 91 15:49:20 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Wed, 2 Oct 91 15:13 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 91 15:13 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Stuffiche Vickie here. I'll try to watch my typos in this one. There are lots more people who are beginning to like Happy, and it's always nice to hear about it. It was so nice of Vishal to say what he did in gaffa. This is an excerpt of one of his letters to me. You'll read about our new Ectophile Harry (HI Harry! Welcome) and how the word is spreading through just one person. It's so wonderful! > If you are interested, here's some more stories. I loaned > my "Warpaint" CD to one my friends, Harry, and he liked it so much he > put some of the songs on a tape he made for his sister and she also > fell in love with it, so he bought her the "Warpaint" CD as a birthday > present. Also, he has joined the "Ecto" mailing list, sent off for her > tapes, and is now threatening to replace the Kate poster in his office > with a Happy poster soon as he finds one (my friends *love* to tease > me :-). I gave the "Warpaint" CD as a birthday present to another > friend, Darryl. I was a little concerned about this because I had not > discussed Happy's music with him. Turns out he was on the verge of > buying it himself, having heard some of her songs on National Public > Radio! He has now borrowed my tapes, and also introduced his SO to her > music, and they both love it. Right now my "Warpaint" CD is on loan to > another friend, I think he will like it too. The bit about Darryl hearing it on NPR is fantastic...I have to find out what that's about. Is an NPR station in Dallas playing it, or was it played nationally? Enquiring minds want to know. KERA in Dallas was playing Happy and even listed her in one CJM Report listing, but they aren't NPR (?). Harry, what Kate poster do you have in your office? You should keep it up, because there aren't any posters of Happy (yet :-)...and it's wonderful you passed the word on to your sister. Does she have access to the net? btw, I can't quite make out what Happy is saying in the background. You definitely picked up on more than I did. You, like Angelos and Jeff, have very good ears! This was an offhand remark from someone who doesn't even read rec.music.gaffa > Lessee, I forgot to mention that I sighted "Warpaint" in Mad's Records > in Ardmore, PA (a suburb of Philadelphia). I didn't even know this guy knew about Happy, so he must have read about her in .misc and knew my connection. Martin (affectionately known as "Daniel" but we call him Fred) says: > Don't worry, get Happy! ( <-- I can just see this on the K-Tel > T.V. ads for the new album ) Oh, horrors :-) but that's not as bad as Happy's fears that Folger's or Maxwell House Coffee will pick up on using "Waking Up" in a commercial! It's weird, but fun to think about. Let's see... "Words Weren't Made For Cowards" - Encyclopedia Britannica? "Feed The Fire" - charcoal briquettes (sp? Martin, you seem well versed) "He's Alive" - 700 Club :-) :-) "I'm Going Back" - Disneyland, or an airline commercial If the Bulgarian Chorus can end up in commercials, hey..... KKSF story will come soon. I don't know much at all about KKSF itself, but it ties in with "how I found Happy." Jeff, I saw one of those kaleidoscopes using the "little sticks of glass" Happy sings about in Terra. I'm going to pick one up one of these days. Thanks for the Kliban quote! Chris said he used to have a t-shirt with that on it. He never mentioned it, but I don't think Chris ever caught those lines in Terra Incognita. TI was definitely inspired by Happy's cat Barney Parker. A woman Happy didn't even know very well gave her one of those sticks. It was on her desk and Barney jumped up to watch Happy playing with it. Happy got very enthralled just watching Barney watch the glass, and that's how the song got started. Martin, thanks for sending me your lost post about the cat napkin adventures! We didn't have any napkins around, or else we would have tried it. :-) Again, welcome to Ecto Harry! Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 3-Oct-91 3:09:14-GMT,1630;000000000001 Received: from eagle.wesleyan.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22121; Wed, 2 Oct 91 23:08:53 EDT Message-Id: <9110030308.AA22121@aramis.rutgers.edu> Date: 2-OCT-1991 23:02:42.27 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Sensory overload! To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Hi y'all... Whoa! Ecto's gone *nuts* the past couple days- you all have crashed my account no fewer than three times since Monday, for overloading my mail file and exceeding my (minute) disk quota over here... I don't know whether to congratulate you or not. :) Anyway, some notes: I was glad to see the Happy "interview", but I'm still mad at myself for not subscribing sooner, and missing the opportunity to get some questions of my own in there. But I trust another interview will follow at some point! Re "Wrong Century": I don't think the "long black hair" should be an issue. "Not only am I woman", then followed by "I am a simple man" can also be explained if you consider that maybe the voice in the latter line is the person who encounters her there up on the hill, and can't understand what the hell she's doing there? (I'm not sure if I've convinced myself of this yet, but it's making more and more sense- am I way off-base?) Just thought I'd put a new twist on things... ;> Good luck, Jessica! ================================================================================ Meredith Tarr "Oh yes I know I'm always falling, mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu Gazing at hazy goldfish in your swimming eyes" Wesleyan University -Kate Bush ================================================================================ 3-Oct-91 3:45:30-GMT,1812;000000000001 Received: from convex.convex.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25580; Wed, 2 Oct 91 23:44:58 EDT Received: from magnum.convex.com by convex.convex.com (5.61/1.35) id AA15097; Wed, 2 Oct 91 22:45:04 -0500 Received: by magnum.convex.com (5.64/1.28) id AA09770; Wed, 2 Oct 91 22:45:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 91 22:45:03 -0500 From: foster@magnum.convex.com (Harry Foster) Message-Id: <9110030345.AA09770@magnum.convex.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Happy new year (Re: Stuffiche) Thanks Vickie for your warm welcome! I'm so in love with Happy's music, that a day hasn't gone by that I haven't listened to Warpaint (at least once). Has anyone else noticed how incredible the percussion lines are on this CD ? There are times when I boost the high frequencies only to concentrate on the percussion. Unbelievable !!! > Harry, what Kate poster do you have in your office? You should keep it up, > because there aren't any posters of Happy (yet :-)... I have "The Sensual World" poster in my office, the one with KaTe's hand extended and sand passing through her fingers. My friend, Vishal, gave it to me for a Katemas present. Vishal had a wonderful Katemas party at his apartment this year. He has a 5 to 6 foot version of this poster in his living room, and for Katemas built an alter in front of it complete with white roses and a bowl of sacrificial peaches. :) Hey, isn't Katemas usually followed by a Happy new year ? Time to party dudes and dudettes !!! :) :) BTW, can I get a copy of Vickie's posting with Happy's answers to some of the questions all you Ectophiles wrote up ? (Thanks) later ... Ha(p+2)(p+2)y -- Harry Foster foster@convex.com "A man should be greater than some of his parts." -Peter DeVries 3-Oct-91 4:38:04-GMT,2057;000000000011 Received: from natinst.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01849; Thu, 3 Oct 91 00:37:46 EDT Received: by natinst.com id AA24847 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu); Wed, 2 Oct 1991 23:37:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 23:37:42 -0500 From: Brian Bloom Message-Id: <199110030437.AA24847@natinst.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu, katefans@chinet.chi.il.us Subject: I almost forgot! A Happy review... I had picked up a copy of 'The Vibe', a Dallas based little music tabloid, several weeks ago, and forgot to tell you all about the Warpaint review: Happy Rhodes Warpaint Aural Gratification Records Hard-core Kate Bush fanatics (and believe me, they are both) might be upset about a new artist sounding so much like their heroine. Or maybe they're psyched because since Kate Bush only puts out an album every century or so, this could pacify (though certainly not satisfy) the appetite for fresh Kate Bush material. Some of us like Kate Bush but find Happy Rhodes to be more listenable and less complex, if not more interesting. Pay no attention to the misleading name; Happy is sad, mad, hardly glad, but very hopeful. Her music is dark yet angelic, dreamy and dank. The beautiful and otherworldly "Warpaint" is available through Aural Gratification Records but seems a likely addition to the 4AD roster. --o-- Hmmm.. 4 mentions of Kate, 2 of Happy. What's wrong with this picture? __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@natinst.com 3-Oct-91 4:42:34-GMT,4074;000000000011 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02411; Thu, 3 Oct 91 00:42:23 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24273; Thu, 3 Oct 91 00:42:21 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 00:42:21 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9110030442.AA24273@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: adopt a haiku foundation To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: wxpn wxpn philadelphia is, um, 88.5 mhz on your fm dial - i *think*. i listen to it whenever i drive though the area (since my car antenna got stolen, i can't pick up drexel's station which is a lot better). when was that happy "live" thing supposed to happen? i forgot...if it did, did anyone get copies? interested... and while i'm here... that mention of ecto: the video got me thinking. i've got an idea sorta jelling in my head for "warpaint" already, but it's not really solid yet. but i'll bounce it off youse guys anyways. basically, it boils down to warpaint = makeup (stop laughing...). i pulled out my copy of the lyrics and read the first line ("in the red, all the cruelty dealt to one big soul") and the first thing that popped into my head was a a close up of a woman putting on bright red lipstick. like i said, this needs more de- velopment...like how does the rest of the lyrics fit into that visual theme. but it's an idea. anybody have any others? i miss working in video and am kinda itching to get into a studio again (and jessica's kind offer to let me use the equipment at rutgers - or at least let me look at it - has got me thinking again). hmmm...not particularly tired, so i shall babble somemore. i'm finally getting down to listening to both rearmament and ecto with some thought about what i am hearing (instead of using them to put me to sleep or as backdrops for hacking). so far, ecto is more pleasing to this ear (who was it who said oh so long ago that i would like that one more? you were right, whomever you were? jeff, was that you?). i am partic- ularly fond of "would that i could," at first cos of the melody (i am a sucker for melodic music) but then cos of the lyrics. yow! "would that i could, i'd be loving my oberon". _the tempest_ is probably my favorite shakespearean play and i already have this obsession with things elfin, so this song knows how to pull my strings. incidentially, the first time i heard it was at KaTemas at greg's. greg, jessica and i were sitting at his keyboards listening to his best-of tape and this came on. i knew that i had not heard it yet then, but as soon as the first bars emana- ted from the speakers, i knew i'd like that one. but the lyrics for it didn't hit me till this eveing when i listened to ecto the whole way through with headphones and ignoring everything else. mmmmhhh...tasty. also, many thanks to vickie and happy for the interview-by-mail. it was a good read that morning before work. the crazy glue accident line sent me rolling (i still don't know how the reason for that cover could have escaped jorn - i thought that a bunch of us had all said that - but i guess it's best to hear from the source, eh?). the one thing that stood out the most from happy's words was what she said about her first four tapes: (and i paraphrase) that they are varied in quality and that there often is elements in them that are not particularly interesting. as i got more and more into this early material, those thoughts kept creeping into my mind and i was wondering if i was missing something entirely with regards to the praise that others were tossing in the list's dir- ection. it's comforting to know that the creator feels the same way that i do...guess it' almost time for me to make my best-of happy tape... well, enough for now. maybe tomorrow night i'll have something to say about meanings and thematic content...but not right now. everybody keep writing! let's blow meredith's mailbox to smithereens! :) (but seriously, it's nice to read all that stuff that people are posting...). woj@remus.rutgers.edu - dj-for-hire - so many shimmydiscs so little time 3-Oct-91 5:14:49-GMT,910;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08034; Thu, 3 Oct 91 01:14:17 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA09147; Thu, 3 Oct 91 01:14:06 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 1:14:04 EDT From: jessica To: Brian Bloom Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu, katefans@chinet.chi.il.us Subject: Re: I almost forgot! A Happy review... In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 2 Oct 1991 23:37:42 -0500 Message-Id: hurm, weird review!!!! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 3-Oct-91 5:17:41-GMT,1318;000000000011 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08850; Thu, 3 Oct 91 01:17:22 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25801; Thu, 3 Oct 91 01:17:18 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 01:17:18 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9110030517.AA25801@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: adopt a haiku foundation To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: 4ad?!? huh? a likely add to the 4ad roster? what is this guy on? hasn't he been paying attention to the direction that 4ad is going? or not going, i sup- pose is a better way to put it. his name is alive is stagnating in that dreamy synthwash sound and heidi berry is being boring. the only decent stuff coing out of 4ad anymore is throwing muses (who, incidentially, are down to just dave nunczio and krsitin hersh now that tany donnelly has left the band), the pale saints and the pixes. 4ad...feh! and just one more peeve before i hit the sack: happy is no substitute for KaTe. actually, i don't even see her as a reasonable facsimilie. she's very different, musically and lyrically. it's amazing how a similarity in her high voice can skew so many people's perspectives...sheesh. don't reviewers listen to the music anymore? woj@remus.rutgers.edu - dj-for-hire - so many shimmydiscs so little time 3-Oct-91 5:21:55-GMT,1342;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10339; Thu, 3 Oct 91 01:21:38 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11742; Thu, 3 Oct 91 01:21:31 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 1:21:28 EDT From: jessica To: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: wxpn In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 3 Oct 91 00:42:21 EDT Message-Id: woj writes: > theme. but it's an idea. anybody have any others? i miss working in video > and am kinda itching to get into a studio again (and jessica's kind offer > to let me use the equipment at rutgers - or at least let me look at it - > has got me thinking again). Of course woj can *use* our video equipment!!!! *especially* to make a happy-video :) Oh! In other news, i have *finally* gotten Joe to take pictures of the paintings Kiri sent me!! Gifs on their way soon! (and the pictures *back* to you, kiri :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 3-Oct-91 5:24:07-GMT,1055;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11027; Thu, 3 Oct 91 01:23:51 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11974; Thu, 3 Oct 91 01:23:39 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 1:23:36 EDT From: jessica To: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: 4ad?!? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 3 Oct 91 01:17:18 EDT Message-Id: yah - i agree completely with woj's note about kate/happy similarities and people really listening to music!!! Sure the similarity in the high range is noteable at first, but to continue to compare the two is (imho) pretty silly. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 3-Oct-91 6:22:41-GMT,889;000000000001 Received: from cc.curtin.edu.au by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17998; Thu, 3 Oct 91 02:22:22 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1991 14:21 +8:00 From: SVODOPIER@cc.curtin.edu.au Subject: More jingles... To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <14FA9667008007E9@cc.curtin.edu.au> X-Envelope-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"ecto@athos.rutgers.edu" More advertising horrors... Ode - Rexona anti-perspirant The Perfect Irony - multi-vitamin pills 'Til the Dawn breaks - condoms ( "dawn may break, but these won't" ) I'm Not Awake, I'm Not Asleep - sleeping pills / Dan Quayle's theme song. Don't Want to Hear It - earplugs Wrong Century - calendar/organizer I am a Legend - metropolitan street directory I Won't Break Down - laundry detergent :-) Happily, Martin. 3-Oct-91 6:37:48-GMT,487;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20894; Thu, 3 Oct 91 02:37:38 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16156; Thu, 3 Oct 91 02:37:36 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 02:37:36 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9110030637.AA16156@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: More jingles Ohno, don't!! I'm going to laugh so hard ill never recover!!!!! dan quayles theme song, heh! jessica 3-Oct-91 13:32:56-GMT,2375;000000000001 Received: from rutvm1.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23603; Thu, 3 Oct 91 09:32:35 EDT Message-Id: <9110031332.AA23603@aramis.rutgers.edu> Received: from RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU by RutVM1.Rutgers.Edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3146; Thu, 03 Oct 91 09:32:45 EDT Received: from ROHVM1.BITNET by RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 0395; Thu, 03 Oct 91 09:32:45 EDT Received: from ROHVM1 (MAH76X) by ROHVM1.BITNET (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 9457; Thu, 03 Oct 91 08:13:41 EST Date: Thu, 03 Oct 91 07:55:43 EST From: JED Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Subject: Again... To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu jessica@cs.rutgers.edu writes: >Cool Beans!! >Hm, does anyone know the number for the station that is playing >Happy in Philly? Maybe I can actually get it from home.. > jessica The station WXPN is owned and opperated by The Univeristy of Penn. I know a number of people who work and go to school there, and they DO have e-mail access. The people I know do anyway, but I would imagne that the radio station must too. They are going through a fundraiser right now. Listening this morning they gave the phone number 387-5401 (in 215 area code). I first heard Kate on this station. It prompted me into buying Hounds of Love (followed by Kick Inside and The Dreaming). That also got me started reading rec.music.gaffa. Recently WXPN has been playing some Happy. That is what honestly (along with the gentle nudges I've read on r.m.gaffa) made me buy Warpaint. I was in a CD shop here in Philly one day (3rd St Jazz) and a young lady came in and asked where she could find Happy's stuff. He pointed her to the back 'XPN section'. Here she was looking for it in vinyl, which they did not have. The following week, after hearing Feed the Fire a few more times on XPN, I decide to pick it up. I had to ask where it was too, as they sold out of it. They said they haven't been able to keep it in stock. As I was paying for it, they said to me "Oh, another XPN listener, eh". I have just recently stumbled on to the radio station, and think it is nice to no longer HAVE to listen to commercial music if I haven't brought in any tapes for the day's listening :-) Us folk in Philly sure would like to see Happy perform live here sometime soon! Joe Doheny 3-Oct-91 13:32:56-GMT,2375;000000000011 Received: from rutvm1.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23603; Thu, 3 Oct 91 09:32:35 EDT Message-Id: <9110031332.AA23603@aramis.rutgers.edu> Received: from RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU by RutVM1.Rutgers.Edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 3146; Thu, 03 Oct 91 09:32:45 EDT Received: from ROHVM1.BITNET by RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 0395; Thu, 03 Oct 91 09:32:45 EDT Received: from ROHVM1 (MAH76X) by ROHVM1.BITNET (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 9457; Thu, 03 Oct 91 08:13:41 EST Date: Thu, 03 Oct 91 07:55:43 EST From: JED Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Subject: Again... To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu jessica@cs.rutgers.edu writes: >Cool Beans!! >Hm, does anyone know the number for the station that is playing >Happy in Philly? Maybe I can actually get it from home.. > jessica The station WXPN is owned and opperated by The Univeristy of Penn. I know a number of people who work and go to school there, and they DO have e-mail access. The people I know do anyway, but I would imagne that the radio station must too. They are going through a fundraiser right now. Listening this morning they gave the phone number 387-5401 (in 215 area code). I first heard Kate on this station. It prompted me into buying Hounds of Love (followed by Kick Inside and The Dreaming). That also got me started reading rec.music.gaffa. Recently WXPN has been playing some Happy. That is what honestly (along with the gentle nudges I've read on r.m.gaffa) made me buy Warpaint. I was in a CD shop here in Philly one day (3rd St Jazz) and a young lady came in and asked where she could find Happy's stuff. He pointed her to the back 'XPN section'. Here she was looking for it in vinyl, which they did not have. The following week, after hearing Feed the Fire a few more times on XPN, I decide to pick it up. I had to ask where it was too, as they sold out of it. They said they haven't been able to keep it in stock. As I was paying for it, they said to me "Oh, another XPN listener, eh". I have just recently stumbled on to the radio station, and think it is nice to no longer HAVE to listen to commercial music if I haven't brought in any tapes for the day's listening :-) Us folk in Philly sure would like to see Happy perform live here sometime soon! Joe Doheny 3-Oct-91 14:28:30-GMT,1255;000000000001 Received: from ccncsu.ColoState.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29015; Thu, 3 Oct 91 10:28:17 EDT Received: from olympic.ATMOS.ColoState.EDU by ccncsu.ColoState.EDU (5.59/Ultrix2.0-B) id AA22653; Thu, 3 Oct 91 08:29:15 MDT Received: by olympic.atmos.coloState.edu (4.1/GENERIC HACK Sendmail.cf 5/24/89) id AA10584; Thu, 3 Oct 91 08:23:29 MDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 08:23:29 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Message-Id: <9110031423.AA10584@olympic.atmos.coloState.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: the Vibe review Greetings, Very strange review. I half expected the reviewer to claim that Happy Rhodes was really KaTe in disguise, struggling to break out of the great expectations of her hardcore fanatic fans. However, what prompted me to comment was the word 'dank'. Hell, I lived in Seattle and I know 'dank'. 'Dank' is a familiar sensation to me. Happy Rhodes is not 'dank'! [Apologies to Lloyd Bentsen]. Someone ought to send a Happy album to this reviewer. It almost sounds they never listened to one, and certainly failed the job of a reviewer. Sigh! Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! 3-Oct-91 14:46:54-GMT,753;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00998; Thu, 3 Oct 91 10:46:41 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA26089; Thu, 3 Oct 91 10:16:15 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 3 Oct 91 06:27:50 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03600; Thu, 3 Oct 91 06:27:48 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Thu, 3 Oct 91 05:21 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 05:21 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Terra Incognita Anyone know Latin? :-) Vickie 3-Oct-91 14:47:00-GMT,878;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01006; Thu, 3 Oct 91 10:46:53 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA26090; Thu, 3 Oct 91 10:16:17 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 3 Oct 91 06:27:52 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03603; Thu, 3 Oct 91 06:27:50 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Thu, 3 Oct 91 05:26 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 05:26 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Wrong Century You folks are generally very scientific-minded. Try looking at it from another angle. Hints: American Indian Man. Modern Day Woman. Time travel? No. Vickie 3-Oct-91 14:48:07-GMT,1578;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01078; Thu, 3 Oct 91 10:47:53 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA26092; Thu, 3 Oct 91 10:16:17 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 3 Oct 91 06:27:55 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03606; Thu, 3 Oct 91 06:27:53 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Thu, 3 Oct 91 05:34 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 05:34 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: WHFS Jeff, yes, H&K have sent a CD to the station. Happy says they're very disorganized and "keep losing it." Happy's mother lives in Virginia, within range of the station and has called repeatedly to request it. They keep telling her different things. "We don't have it" "We had it but I can't find it" "I never heard of it" "It's not on our playlist" blah blah blah. Knowing that they definitely do have a copy, you should start requesting it. Kevin said that he is going to start bugging them more. It would seem natural for Washington to be the next city to really pick up on Happy, becasue it's so close to Philly. The city's radio stations must keep some sort of track at what the other stations are doing. Well, maybe not. You'd think so. -------- KTCZ in Minneapolis has started to play Happy quite a bit, but I didn't ask what song they're focusing on. Vickie 3-Oct-91 14:49:05-GMT,1915;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01193; Thu, 3 Oct 91 10:49:00 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA26088; Thu, 3 Oct 91 10:16:16 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 3 Oct 91 06:27:47 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03597; Thu, 3 Oct 91 06:27:45 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Thu, 3 Oct 91 05:20 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 05:20 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Watch out...Duck and Cover...Hide... I finally finished my "How I found Happy" story and it turned out to be quite long. So long, in fact, that I'm going to post it in 3 installments. It's really not all that exciting or important, except for the fact that Ecto wouldn't exist now if I hadn't found Happy. I'd like to think that at some point in the future, you all would have found Happy on your own, and that a mailing list would have been created anyway. But, life, it works in mysterious ways, and, though I am really not egotistical or uppity about it, I will say that I am very *proud* to have played the pivotal role in you all finding Happy. Over the months I've gotten many thanks from many people, and I appreciate the thanks. But my main satisfaction comes from a) knowing that you're hearing the same music I have loved for so long, b) feeling (in various stages) the same way I do about that music and c) seeing Ecto created, seeing Ecto thrive, reading your thoughts, your feelings, your debates and questions. d) knowing that you're pulling for Happy to do well and e) spreading the word whenever possible. That's more than enough thanks for me. You are wonderful. **THANK YOU!!!** Vickie 3-Oct-91 14:55:53-GMT,5710;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01783; Thu, 3 Oct 91 10:55:31 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA26087; Thu, 3 Oct 91 10:16:14 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 3 Oct 91 06:27:45 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03594; Thu, 3 Oct 91 06:27:43 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.1) id ; Thu, 3 Oct 91 05:06 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 05:06 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Vickie's Happy Story Pt.I (aka "You Shouldn't Have Asked :-) Vickie here. Ready for some long ramblings? David K. mentioned that KKSF in San Francisco is playing Happy. I knew that, but it's nice to hear confirmed from someone else. KKSF is, in a way, very special to me for reasons that have nothing to do with her getting airplay there. the program director there is named Dore Stein. {Fade to late summer 1988} Dore Stein is a friend of H&Ks from way back. He moved to SFO from Albany a few years ago and brought with him a cassette of Ecto. He picked 4 songs from Ecto and made an "Ecto Sampler" which he then made many dubs of and sent around to lots of radio stations and friends. One of the people who got a copy was named Bob Davis, who, at that time, was a DJ for KFJC, a very well-respected alternative college station in the San Francisco area. Bob was a Kate Bush fan who was involved in Break-Through (a now defunct Canadian fanzine) and had met many other fans through his involvement. One of those people was named John Reimers, who lived in St. Louis at the time (he now lives in Los Angeles) and who knew....me. Bob and John were Annette Peacock fans and Bob sent John a tape with 2 obscure, hard-to-find AP albums on it. There was time at the end of each side of the tape, so Bob put 2 songs from the Ecto sampler on 1 side, and 2 on the other side, after the AP albums. John used to drive from St. Louis to visit us quite often and on one of his visits brought the Annette Peacock tape with him, knowing that I too, was an Annette Peacock fan. I put it in the dubbing deck and just set it to record, not listening to it at the time, because there were so many other things to do. I wrote down the titles exactly as Bob had written them on John's tape. John went home, and a few days later I took the tape into work with me. I worked in a record store warehouse and Walkmans were allowed. The first time I listened to the tape I didn't even pay any attention to the songs at the end. I'd sometimes have to listen with one ear off and the volume down. That must have been what happened, because I remember the AP albums very well, but not the Happy. I wanted to get to know the AP albums, so I listened again. This time, though I still missed really hearing the first song, I *DID* hear the second. Off From Out From Under Me. As I was listening, something about the opening instrumental music made me stop and turn the volume up. I listened closely. "I knew a man, he was very odd, he'd always thought that someone was following him. He'd talk of entities that didn't exist. Or so I thought." I rewound over and over and listened again and again. WHO *IS* THIS???? I looked at what I had written on the cassette. "Happy Rhodes. From the Ecto Sampler." Huh? Never heard of her. Hmmm. I asked various people I worked with if they'd ever heard of her. Nope. I started calling record stores in town to ask if they had anything by Happy Rhodes. Nope. Ever hear of something called the "Ecto Sampler?" Nope. Look it up, please. Nope, no listings. Hmmm. After a few days of intense hunting and no luck, I called John in St. Louis to ask him please sir, more? He'd see what he could do. Poor Annette was totally forgotten. I desperately wanted to play the song on my show, but, as luck would have it, the song cut off before the ending. A few notes would have been OK, I could've faded it down. But it cut off way before the end of the song, and I wanted people to hear the entire thing. It was such an unusual and hypnotic song, very special. It would have been cheating the listeners to only play half of it. I felt I had to wait. Fast forward through many weeks of waiting, during which I bugged nearly everyone I knew, asking for information, had they ever heard of her. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. John came back to visit and brought with him a tape that Bob had made in response to John's queries. The tape contained all of Ecto. John and I settled down on the couch to have a listen. I remember liking IGB and ILIAG,IW, but when Would That I Could came on.......whaaaaaaaattt? We had to rewind and listen again a few times just to make sure we weren't, um.. (part about illicit substances deleted) just hearing things. The *voice*! My my my, we were more than a little suprised. We listened through the rest of the album and when Don't Want To Hear It came on, we were on the floor! Our mouths were hanging open, our eyes were wide and we were laughing hysterically. Not *at* Happy, but just at the fact that we'd never even conceived of the possibility of hearing anyone who sounded so much like Kate! Who *IS* this person???? I made John, right then and there, call Bob Davis in San Francisco to get *any* information whatsoever. John and I are quite a team when it comes to tracking people down. End of "Vickie's Happy Story, Pt. I, aka You Shouldn't Have Asked :-)" Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 3-Oct-91 15:29:10-GMT,1528;000000000001 Received: from eagle.wesleyan.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06228; Thu, 3 Oct 91 11:28:51 EDT Message-Id: <9110031528.AA06228@aramis.rutgers.edu> Date: 3-OCT-1991 11:23:21.36 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Notes To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Hi! I was actually logged in and reading my mail when the latest message from Vickie came in and overloaded the system in front of my very eyes. Interesting- I'm having to clean out my mailbox *twice* a day now- when I miss all the deadlines on my thesis, at least I know where to place the blame! ;) Anyway, I forgot to mention that _Warpaint_ is seeing airplay on WESU, at least whenever I do a show. :) I have to talk to the MD about getting Happy stuff into the station, although probably we'll only get _Warpaint_, as our tape player in the studio doesn't work... I don't think Happy would fit in at 4AD, but where would she fit in? Isn't that part of her problem at the moment? (BTW, I don't think His Name Is Alive and Heidi Berry are boring!) American Indian= Modern Day Woman would only work if the Indian were from a non-matriarchal tribe. :> Cool story, Vickie- I was wondering where all this had started! ================================================================================ Meredith Tarr "Oh yes I know I'm always falling, mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu Gazing at hazy goldfish in your swimming eyes" Wesleyan University -Kate Bush ================================================================================ 3-Oct-91 17:09:14-GMT,2057;000000000001 Received: from cc.curtin.edu.au by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20095; Thu, 3 Oct 91 13:08:17 EDT Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 01:07 +8:00 From: SVODOPIER@cc.curtin.edu.au Subject: Spreading across OZ... To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <6F37EDE240800958@cc.curtin.edu.au> X-Envelope-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"ecto@athos.rutgers.edu" Just got back from a good friend's small birthday celebration at a Chinese restaurant. Since the guy is right into early Genesis and Gabriel, and appreciates quality music, and despite the fact he is a bit of a Rock Snob (tm)... I actually gave him my Warpaint CD... Sure hope he appreciates it. Apart from my friend, I didn't know anyone else there, and was seated next to a charming lady who was over from the Eastern States for a week. Conversation went thusly : (right after I hand my CD over with trembling hands to my friend and introductions were made...) Lindel: "So what did you get the birthday boy?" Me: (taking a sip from the drink placed in front of me...) "Oh, a CD by a practically unknown songstress, Happy Rhodes. I had to order it in from New York, and I'm pretty sure it's the only copy in the country, at least for now. She has a fabulous voice." Lindel: "Is she like Kate Bush?" Me: (choking on my drink) "!!!!!!!!??!?!?!?!?!? arg grefowgrooo gwop!!!!???" Lindel: "Do you require medical assistance?" Turned out she was a big KB fan ... hell, she even looked a fair bit like Kate, and we happily spent the evening discussing Kate and Happy etc... Afterwards, I played her some of Warpaint in the car, and she loved it. She has also had operatic training, and treated me to an impromptu rendition of "The Man with the Child in his Eyes" I will never forget... it was almost like having the real Kate right there in my car! Man, what an evening... Anyhow...looks like Happy Rhodes is about to hit the East coast. Martin. ( I really have to cut myself back on this email business... I've got a thesis to finish.... arrgggghhh ) 3-Oct-91 17:09:26-GMT,1485;000000000001 Received: from omnigate.clarkson.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20220; Thu, 3 Oct 91 13:08:51 EDT Received: from clutx.clarkson.edu by omnigate.clarkson.edu id aa26697; 3 Oct 91 12:13 EDT Received: by clutx.clarkson.edu (5.54/5.17) id AA28075; Thu, 3 Oct 91 12:13:24 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 12:13:24 EDT From: kIrI tHe MyStIcAl OnE Message-Id: <9110031613.AA28075@clutx.clarkson.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: wow Well here are two more radio stations to add to the growing list: there is mine of course WTSC...im the only one playing Happy right now Kevin is sending a disc to us soon...i play everything of course ;) my friend Michele just got Warpaint and is planning on playing the entire disc this weekend Sat. night at 11pm on WECS in WIllimantic CT i think it's 90.1fm but im not sure. Just got an email from Court who is in Wales now...she's loaded down with Warpaint CDs to distribute to as many radio stations across the UK as she can get to....if any of you Ukers know of any good places to drop one of the beauties off at please email her! her add is : ex2dallas@vax.swansea.ac.uk or tell me and ill pass it on.... yesturday i drew a Happy inspired dragon - it's pretty weird, but im quite proud of myself *pat, pat, pat* :) Can't wait to see my paintings as GIFS...yuck! :) Does anyone have a GIFviewer?? kIrI hargieka@clutx.clarkson.edu "Miss Mary Mack Mack Mack All dressed in Black" 3-Oct-91 17:14:31-GMT,583;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20986; Thu, 3 Oct 91 13:14:07 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23521; Thu, 3 Oct 91 13:14:04 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 13:14:04 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9110031714.AA23521@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: wow! martin that's amazing! :) the man with the child in his eyes is one of my favorite songs to sing - I will probably include it on the tape i send happy and kevin. WHEN I GET OVER THIS %^&&^%^ COLD! jessica 3-Oct-91 19:31:52-GMT,1248;000000000000 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07956; Thu, 3 Oct 91 15:31:23 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA26087; Thu, 3 Oct 91 15:31:20 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 15:31:18 EDT From: jessica To: JED Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Again... In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 03 Oct 91 07:55:43 EST Message-Id: I managed to listen to WXPN out of philly today, they were playing blues, wasn't too bad :) but not the show they'll play happy on. They *are* a public station though, and they're in the middle of a fund-raising drive. kind of annyoing, i want *music* on my way to work. :) Well, I can't get WXPN for the whole drive anyway! Only for about 5 minutes .. I'll listen from home though, and call to request happy often :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 4-Oct-91 0:04:56-GMT,1151;000000000001 Received: from presto.ig.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08878; Thu, 3 Oct 91 20:03:40 EDT Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA27532; Thu, 3 Oct 91 17:03:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 91 17:03:33 PDT From: "John M. Relph" To: Happy Talk Subject: Wrong Century Message-Id: To me "Wrong Century" seems pretty straightforward. Whether or not it's an allegory for the roles of American Indian and Women in our society today. At the simplest level, it is about a long-haired male who, through some means, is re-incarnated or moved through time from his time in the past to the present day. In the process he finds himself in the body of a woman. That's the story. The confusion arises because "he" is still male in his mind, but female on the outside. The remainder of the story is an accusatory conerning what we are doing to our world in the present day. A spooky grey world where we move too fast, everything is of glass and metal, and the fear of world destruction hangs over our heads. Gotta love it! Peace, -- John 4-Oct-91 3:07:20-GMT,2523;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29781; Thu, 3 Oct 91 23:06:45 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA07451; Thu, 3 Oct 91 23:06:43 EDT Message-Id: <9110040306.AA07451@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Stuffiche In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 2 Oct 91 15:13 CDT ." Date: Thu, 03 Oct 91 23:06:42 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu >Jeff, I saw one of those kaleidoscopes using the "little sticks of glass" >Happy sings about in Terra. I'm going to pick one up one of these days. The sticks have been around for years, and I always thought they were neat but nothing I was terribly interested (I really wish I could remember what they're called!). Then, while I was in New York City in March, I saw one of the kaleidoscopes in The Nature Company. I've been lusting after them ever since, but never have the money and the memory at the same time. The best part about 'em is that you can use different sticks for the focus, changing the colors, etc. >TI was definitely inspired by Happy's cat Barney Parker. A woman Happy >didn't even know very well gave her one of those sticks. It was on her >desk and Barney jumped up to watch Happy playing with it. Happy got very >enthralled just watching Barney watch the glass, and that's how the song >got started. This is a perfect example of the weirdest thing about the mailing list 'n such: you sit down and hastily write out an interpretation of a song...and a day or two later, you find out that you're "correct." I put correct in quotes because I don't want to detract from interpretations that are supportable through examples in the lyrics. That's part of the beauty of all this--everybody can understand the song to mean something else, and it *can* mean that, even if it's not exactly what the artist had in mind. The work of art takes on its own meaning. Witness the recent arguments about SiG in r.m.g. It's very strange not being in a vacuum, though. Usually one examines a poem, a song, a painting, a novel in isolation and forms their own opinion. We're still in that vacuum when we interpret Happy's songs, but as soon as that interpretation is voiced on Ecto (TML) we get feedback from the artist herself. Curioser and curioser (said Alice, who had quite forgotten her grammar). Jeff (who will pull out his headphones and try to pick up the BVs on TI later)