17-Oct-91 4:12:18-GMT,22945;000000000401 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA09994; Thu, 17 Oct 91 00:05:33 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA21760; Thu, 17 Oct 91 00:05:16 EDT Date: Thu, 17 Oct 91 00:05:16 EDT Message-Id: <9110170405.AA21760@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #8 ecto, Number 8 Thursday, 17 October 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Birthday lyrics ecto birthday's Mas Cumpleanos Geburtstaege Strange Phenomena um? Birthdays Say what? And the winner is..... (and other things...) Ramblings on Genesis... *tweet* all change! More strange birthday connections December Sagittarius Neon me too ======================================================================== *** Note: you're back-digests *are* coming! --jessica *** ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Oct 91 19:05:49 -0400 From: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Subject: Birthday lyrics Vickie writes: >Today's your birthday friend >Everything all right >Let us our greeting to you send >Happy friend >We hope your life will never end > >Genuine Vickie Obsurity Prize goes to the first person who identifies it :-) >hint..it's not a Happy song, for those who don't yet have everything Got it. Took awhile. It's from the song "Am I Very Wrong" from the first Genesis album. No, not _Trespass_, the album before that. It was called _From Genesis to Revelation_ in the UK, and didn't appear in the US until '74, some 5 years after its UK release. Funny album--fairly pop, Moody Bluesish sort of music, with not nearly the anger of _Trespass_ nor the sophistication of the later albums. Pretty obscure, Vickie. -dan ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Oct 91 15:46 CDT From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Re: Birthday lyrics BZZZZT Wrong answer, thank you for playing. Our next contestant is Greg Bossert, who should surely know the answer if he thinks about it hard enough. Too hard? Here's another hint: Different song, same album... "Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please" Vickie oh, btw, either "vickie" or "katefans" combined with @chinet.chi.il.us will work. I got my own account to get the loose Ecto mail separate from everything else. Congratulations Steve V & Klaus! ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Oct 91 16:49:45 PDT From: gsady@gaffa.intel.com (Gene Sady ~) Subject: ecto birthday's Well it looks like I'm the old-timer of the bunch so far. I just beat out Doug by 7 days: My birthday is February 7, 1956. Aquarius. I think it's the same as Ronny Ray-Gun, but I'm not sure. Gene Sady gsady@gaffa.intel.com ---- Intel Corporation Folsom, CA (916)351-6851 ------ --- still in search of a fun quote --- ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Oct 91 18:01:44 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Mas Cumpleanos Yo, woj, glad to meet another 28 July kinda person. Yes, it's true, my birthday is also 28 July. 1962, however. I need more Happy music, but I am holding out until the CD reissues happen. Any new information on those? Chowder, -- John ======================================================================== Date: 15-OCT-1991 21:06:40.33 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Geburtstaege Hi y'all... Well, since even woj admitted his birthday, I guess it's my turn. :) The Kalends of September, MCMLXXI. Or September 1, 1971, for those of you who were never Latin scholars... :) On my birthday Hitler invaded Poland, starting WWII. But since Pearl Harbor Day was my mom's eighth birthday, I guess it runs in the family... ================================================================================ Meredith Tarr "Oh yes I know I'm always falling, mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu Gazing at hazy goldfish in your swimming eyes" Wesleyan University -Kate Bush ================================================================================ ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Oct 91 21:59:48 -0500 From: rjk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Subject: Strange Phenomena > Yo, woj, glad to meet another 28 July kinda person. Yes, it's true, my > birthday is also 28 July. 1962, however. >Chowder, > -- John Now this is getting wierd. Put me down as 7/28/71. wow. wow. wow. Unbelievable. bob ps: As I recall from a prob/stats class I took a few years back now, probability dictates that once a group of around 20-25 gathers together, the probability of two of those people having the same b-day surpasses the 50% mark. I don't have the desire to figure out the odds of 3 people having the same b-day in a group of 50 or so, but I am inclined to believe that it would be pretty low (10-15%, perhaps). Perhaps the observation that most people who enjoy Happy's music enjoy KaTe's music and vice versa is a mere coincidence. Perhaps, instead, it is the stars that determine our fate; the stars that draw people born on July 28 to both KaTe and Happy in strange and mysterious ways. Perhaps we are destined to enjoy one type of music more than others. Perhaps.... Naw. That can't be it ;). ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Oct 91 23:11:22 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu Subject: um? anybody do astrology? care to draw up a horoscope for the 28th of july in 1968? and 1971? and 1962? maybe there's some kind of over-riding force compelling us in ways that we can only imagine... or maybe i'm just dreaming on another planet... sigh...too much to do.... +w (sorry to waste a note) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 09:54:05 +0100 From: Steve Fagg Subject: Birthdays When we have a complete list, perhaps we should nominate the oldest as "Father (or Mother as apprpriate) of the List" :-) Talking of sharing birthdays, I believe I share mine (date but not year) with Peter Gabriel. Of course us 1958'ers feel especially close to KaTe. Talking of Peter Gabriel, "From Genesis to Revelation" was produced by Jonathon King. Probably the only positive thing he ever did for music (with the possible exception of 10cc). It's worth checking out but not, as far as I know, available on CD (corrections *very* welcome!) -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-429531 Ext 2437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** Vita? Nole me vitae dicere! *** ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 01:12 CDT From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Say what? Martin, You must have been a wee tyke when you saw Kate in concert. Do I store this with the 75 year old cello instructor story? :-) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 01:10 CDT From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: And the winner is..... (and other things...) Vickie here. Hey everyone...Dan's the winner! Good for him! I don't know what the prize will be, but I'm thinking about it. We have an overnight guest here that some of you know. Love-Hound from Boston Bob Krovetz is here, and we've been showing him lots of Kate video, with side trips to Mary Margaret O'Hara, Mary Coughlin and Victoria Williams which he requested. Jorn was here earlier but had to go home. I'm in the same room with someone who has met Happy..... ------- Hi! Bob here... I've been having a great time! You haven't lived until you've seen Kate on a wall size TV with a great stereo system. It's also wonderful hearing all this music that I've only heard of before. Sarah Maclachlan is coming up... Back to Vickie. (I'm in the same room with someone who has met Kate). ------- Vickie again, you all should come over, OK? 1627 W. Farwell, Chicago. Martin, we'll hold off dinner for you. See ya when you get here! We'll have a giant birthday party! Congrat to woj & John. This is an intereting poll, We're scattered all over the world and already 2 sets of same birthdays pop up! John, it will be months if not a year or so before the 1st4 come out on CD. H&K are all for the idea, but it's just not feasable right now. This doesn't come from them, it's my own feeling. Warpaint is starting to take off, slowly but surely and as long as the momentum lasts they'll put all their time and energy into promoting it. They don't have the money for the CDs now and might be awhile before they can afford it. At least we went from the possibility of the cassettes being out of print altogether to the promise that yes, they will one day be released on CD. The knowledge that it _will_ happen is good enough for me, but no one knows when. Meantime.....little bits of gold....:-) Jeff, I do know what you're talking about. I generally hear the song that's coming up next, but sometimes I hear songs in the order I played them on my show. I've never really thought about it though...hmmm. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 01:11 CDT From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Ramblings on Genesis... Warning: Drippings of love and stories from an old Genesis fan... Yay Dan! Congratulations Dan! Yip, it was from Genesis' first album. I used to collect them. I don't know why, but I was a big collector at one time re all things Genesis, and it seemed like the thing to do. The first album was re-released in several different versions, after years of being practically out of print. I started snatching them up. I'd already had the original American copy, which I bought in 1976, after already being into Genesis for 3 years. When we moved up here from Kansas City last year I sold most of them because we were trying to raise money and lighten our load (we have _hundreds_ of albums!) a bit. I kept the American, the original British version and one or two with great cover photos of Peter Gabriel. Serge in Russia has just gotten into Peter Gabriel/Genesis and the only thing he has is a dub of the first album. It must sound terrible because he said it was rough and called it a "bootleg." There are no titles either in Russian or English so I asked him to try to pick out words and write them down. See, he had no idea which Genesis album it was, so I offered to identify it. When I saw the words "Music...all I hear is music" I knew immediately what it was. He did very well. Was able to pick out phrases from most of the songs. I gave him a song title listing and then got involved in transcribing the lyrics for every song for him, because I doubt it is in the Lyrics Server. I spent a couple of hours the other night typing in all the lyrics, and when I got to the birthday part I had to post it immediately for Brian. I typed them in too fast and messed up a bit. Here is that chorus again: Today's your birthday friend Everything all right? Let us our greetings to you send Happy friend Everything all right? We hope your life will never end The album is considered very dated and rough, but I've always liked it. The lyrics are sometimes silly, sometimes profound, sometimes meaningless (at least to me, but then I don't know what half of early Genesis are about :-) but the music is pretty amazing for a bunch of 15 and 16 year old kids. The producer (Jonathan "Fly Me To the Moon" King) added a bunch of violin strings *after* the guys had recorded the album, without their permission. Really ruins a lot of songs, but the brilliance (IMHO) still shines through. Hearing a 16 year old Peter Gabriel (especially in retro- spect of all he's done since) is so much fun. I hadn't listened to the album for oh, probably a couple of years or more, and I had a great time listening as I was transcribing. Oh I could tell lots of Genesis/Peter Gabriel stories, like the time I deciced to "follow" the Duke tour for a few cities. I was tired of being the only Genesis fan I'd ever met and wanted to congregate with others for a while. I met lots of great people on that trip. In Detroit I met and got to hang out with Armando Gallo, who wrote the ultimate, all-time wonderful fan/group/artist book ever written. He's a photographer too and the most awesome photos are in that book. He did a photo book of Peter too and wanted to do one of Kate (he was a *huge* fan, still is, as far as I know) but it never happened. My guess is that the Bush family nixed it because of Jay's Cathy book. I don't know. Anyway, we met and a few years later Chris and I visited him in Los Angleles. He took us down to his basement and we were surrounded by thousands of photos and dozens of copies of his book, translated into I don't know how many different languages. He let us borrow a negative scrapbook of photos of Kate he took at one of her live (well, lip-snych) performances in Italy during The Dreaming (song) European promotional tour. Kate let him photograph her sitting outside on a balcony with beautiful misty mountains in the background, and she was having her make up being put on at the time. They were among the most beautiful photos I've ever seen of Kate. We took the negative book to a party that night, which was the first time we met IED. Whew! Armando moved to Italy and I've since lost track of him, boo hoo. I better quit with the Genesis talk. I subscribed to the Genesis/PG mailing list but never changed our net address. I should be telling these stories there, but I've never felt like writing them down before. Congratulations again Dan, very good. Jeff was right behind you. I thought Greg would be the one to get the correct answer, because we talked about old Genesis not too long ago. Jeff, I'm thinking about what you said. I'd like to comment, but not right now. We have a guest, which I'll tell about in another post (in case the people not interested in Genesis have skipped over this one. Ah...memories Watcher of the Skies The Fountain of Salmacis The Cinema Show Firth of Fifth White Mountain The Musical Box Get Em Out By Friday Supper's Ready Colony of Slippermen Lillywhite Lillith Trick of the Tail In the Cage The Lady Lies Visions Of Angels The Waiting Room Los Endos Wot Groilla..... and on and on and on and on...these titles bring back so many great memories. Vickie ps, I saw the "Selling England" and "Lamb" tours with Peter and those concerts are still highlights of my life. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 09:50:42 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: *tweet* all change! Vickie says: > I thought Greg would be the one to get the correct answer, > because we talked about old Genesis not too long ago. ah, but it was Dan Riley who, back at Carleton College, played me all those old Genesis albums... i was hopeless up to that point! i owe Dan for introducing me to Genesis/Peter Gabriel, Yes, Brand X, Larry Fast, etc. etc. etc... heh, probably owe him for KaTe -- i *did* buy the Dreaming out of the blue, but he assures me i knew the name from his copy of PG3... and it was Dan who started sending me love-hounds digests via snail mail: lacking those, i would never have gotten into network news, never gone to the KonvenTion, never met Vickie and heard her Happy tapes, and i wouldn't be here now!!! thanks Dan! > ps, I saw the "Selling England" and "Lamb" tours with Peter and those > concerts are still highlights of my life. *sigh* well, i finally saw Yes (ok, it was A.B.W.&H.) do "Close to the Edge" live... heh, i'll see *every* show that Happy does, so there! :) footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "boomdidiwana-didwanahigh-high-high-high-high-sagaminitoo" ======================================================================== Date: 16 October 1991 12:59:34 CDT From: Subject: More strange birthday connections I have just read the postings regarding birthday songs, and it occurred to me that another one in that general vein--albeit from a much earlier era--is "Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen," which I'm not sure, but I think was by Bobby Darin. (this song, in turn, was in the same vein as "Sixteen Candles" by the Crests). To make a long story longer, all this reminds me of somebody's men- tion in these pages of the "year of the Pueblo" in connection with either his own birth year, or someone else's. Notwithstanding that the Chinese animal zodiac makes no mention of the Pueblo, the year in question was 1968--which was, as fate would have it, the same year in which I turned 16. (Perhaps we should eventually turn our collective academic attentions from probability to psychiatry--specifically, the power of Ecto email to inspire free associa- tion :-) ). Personal to woj: don't feel too badly about having missed sharing a birthday with Kate by two days. I missed sharing a birthday with Linda Ronstadt--a woman who, in my misspent youth, was capable of arousing similar feelings to those that Kate, Jane, Happy and the rest arouse in us today-- by _one_ day! A more palpable nexus between "Happy (sic) Birthday Sweet Sixteen" and Citizen Rhodes has occurred to me. One of Bobby Darin's bigger hits in his earlier career was "Mack the Knife." The music for this was written by Kurt Weill, whose characteristic musical style I believe to be mirrored in a couple of the songs on side two of _Warpaint_ (cf. my posting last month, regarding the "Degenerate Art" exhibition). I also remember reading somewhere that Peter Frampton (whose 1976 double album "Frampton Comes Alive" set records in its day for sales, but not for artistic quality--almost the exact opposite of Happy's albums :-) ) was born on April 22, 1950. If you use your imagination just right, you will notice that this is, in effect, the -16th (pronounced either "minus sixteenth" or "negative sixteenth," depending on your point of view) birthday of another ecto contributor, whose name I have forgotten. At my age, of course, it often seems that the most appropriate musical birthday encomium is none of the songs already mentioned in this thread, but rather a thematic set consisting of Holly Near's "Imagine My Surprise" and John Hartford's "I'm Still Here"--in no particular order! :-) Mitch Pravatiner ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: More strange birthday connections Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 15:33:08 EDT Hi, Mitch writes: > I also remember reading somewhere that Peter Frampton (whose 1976 double >album "Frampton Comes Alive" set records in its day for sales, but not for >artistic quality--almost the exact opposite of Happy's albums :-) ) was born >on April 22, 1950. If you use your imagination just right, you will notice >that this is, in effect, the -16th (pronounced either "minus sixteenth" or >"negative sixteenth," depending on your point of view) birthday of another >ecto contributor, whose name I have forgotten. Well that was me! In fact the day before my first birthday, there was a coup in Greece that brought a junta that lasted for 7 years, so there's another association... :-) >(Perhaps we >should eventually turn our collective academic attentions from probability >to psychiatry--specifically, the power of Ecto email to inspire free associa- >tion :-) ). This latest thread has to be the most Happy-unrelated thing to have ever happened on ecto. I haven't heard anybody complaining about it, since everybody has birthdays, and therefore can associate... Now the nature of the associations and the variety should be studied for patterns... :-)[The anatomy of a Happy fan, soon to be published in JAMA.] Angelos *********************************************** With one wish we wake the will within wisdom With one will we wish the wisdom within waking Woken, wishing, willing ----------------------------------------------- 'Song of Sophia' - Dead Can Dance *********************************************** ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 16:05:35 EDT From: Laura Clifford Subject: December Sagittarius Ok, Ok, I'll thow mine because I haven't noticed any Decembers go by yet (forgive me if I missed one): 12/17/57 - Sagittarius I haven't written here much because although I got all the Happy, i rarely have any time to listen - my initial reaction was first tapes great, Warpaint so-so. A recent Warpaint binge has changed my opinion completely around on it - now I have to get back to the tapes (and I would listen to them more if they were on CD, I admit).... Laura ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 16:42:58 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu Subject: Neon me too I'm Neon 1953 (does that make me senior member?) Neon: aug 22 thru sept 23 or so I do believe in astrology, a tad, but i'm superstitious against telling the exact day. Thanks Jessica, I got digest #7! =========================================================================== Jorn Barger, Northwestern U., Chicago, Illinois. barger@ils.nwu.edu "And crazyheaded Jorn, the bulweh born?" _Finnegans Wake_ 513.07 =========================================================================== ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! Donations above the subscription cost are welcomed - all money goes to bringing you better issues! Your "humble pseudo-moderator" -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)