Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #868 ecto, Number 868 Wednesday, 17 November 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Fearless (the movie) fuzzy blue drinks Re: DCD on HOS Jonathan Carroll in the Longhouse of course... Re: Ectofest and schtuff! Le Legos Big Hat info & USA tour dates i've had a bad day ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 12:58:09 EST From: Laura Frank Clifford Subject: Re: Fearless (the movie) I'll also throw in my .02 on 'Fearless' - I thought it was the most impressive of the year so far. Of course, I don't like to fly, either... 'Remains of the Day' is another really terrific film. And I thought 'Carlito's Way' was a tremendous disappointment. Boy, can one get drowned in Ecto after going away for a week! Saw DCD in Boston on 10/29 (the show where Lisa fainted dead away - the audience all seemed to think it was part of the show until she was carried off the stage). Great show! Lisa returned to the stage after only one song without her. Also saw Cranes in London on 11/5 - they blew away their Boston performance of about 6 weeks earlier. Maybe they're just more confident on home turf. Still catching up.... Laura ======================================================================== Date: 16 Nov 1993 10:49:25 U From: "emilyb" Subject: fuzzy blue drinks > Fuzzy Blue Drinks? Not... not... Blue Curacao and Lemonade? Mmmmmmmmmm... :) Well, if a Fuzzy Navel is peach schnapps and orange juice, shouldn't a Fuzzy Blue be peach schnapps and Blue Curacao? (Of course, I can't imagine what that would taste like... Anyone with a well-stocked liquor cabinet care to make the experiment?) -- Emily ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 10:57:29 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: DCD on HOS > METH@delphi.com wrote: > > >1.) Dead Can Dance were featured on the American Public Radio syndicated show > AAAUUUGH!!!! I missed this Hearts Of Space!!! (of course, I unfortunately > miss most of them....) > > Did you (or anybody else out there who happened to hear this one) happen to > get the show number? I know that they sell tapes of their broadcasts.... and > for reasonable prices (especially compared to the prices of import CDs). I think the show number was #339. And HOS only sells a few of their shows on tape (Starflight 1.0 comes to mind) due to copyrights. HOS played bits from every DCD album, including the new one. No bootlegs. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: 16 Nov 1993 14:43:48 -0500 From: pas@math.ams.org (Paula Shanks) Subject: Jonathan Carroll in the Longhouse Gosh, having Jonathan Carroll come up in this list makes wading thru days of SF discussion almost worthwhile. He is TERRIFIC! And not that I want to get back on the topic of covers, she winces, but I first picked him up due to the interesting cover on the pback edition of Outside the Dog Museum. Thanks to intriguing cover art, I've spent many a happy hour getting into his stuff since. Sleeping in Flames is the one I put people onto; am I fondest of this one because one of the main characters is a Lego artist? I don't THINK so...He is a fantasist for people like me who don't care for SF/fantasy. Neal/Neile: Have you ever read Child Across the Sky or Die panische hand? Hope these come back into print so I can quit obsessively looking for them in used bookstores. While I'm at it let me just add: EricKraftStevenMillhauserDavidCarkeetRalphLombregliaNicholsonBaker On beyond genre fiction! And hello to Sue Bacon from another Longhouse fan, if one can take that label on the basis of enjoying one nonhit. That was one of my favorite records that year (87? 86?) I think Lisa Herman was one of the number of modelling chanteuses who popped up in the late 80's, incl. Sade and Rosie Vela. Longhouse had a nice, full-throated style. Rosie Vela's was fine, too, though the tunes were basically unfocussed noodling, and included Donald Fagen and Walter Becker pre-Steely-Dan-Redux. --Pshanks (who still hasn't weeded her music collection but whose situation is getting pretty darn desperate thanks to the myriad new releases of the past couple months, so stay tuned) ======================================================================== From: kmorrey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kathleen Morrey) Subject: of course... Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 16:40:15 -0600 (CST) Context for people who are not MJM... I sent a message to mike, saying that I was sure that when I went back into my lab Happy would be off the cassette deck. Here is what transpired: Like I said, when I got back into the lab (i'll use proper names here, instead of a girl in my lab, a guy in my lab, etc.), the music had been changed. Michelle came up to me and said, "Kathy! I saved Jacek's life!" I looked puzzled, and she said, "He was about to commit suicide, so I changed the music!" Yes, I guess she isn't the happiest of happys. sigh. Jacek piped up, "I think I could have made it another 5 or 10 minutes," and Michelle responded, "No, I don't think so, you had that noose around your neck and everything!" I think at that point I looked a little disgusted, as Michelle said, "I'm just teasing, we just wanted a change. She isn't _that_ bad." BUT I KEEP TRYING! and will go on trying, until I either wear them down to actually enjoying it, or at least letting me have my turn of listening to it every once in a while. Happy-ness forever! Kath ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 21:09:25 -0500 (EST) From: HOLLY@umbc2.umbc.edu Subject: Re: Ectofest and schtuff! >> with Yngve and Juha and someone called Holly who did nothing but signing >> on and signing off five minutes later without us being able to squeak a >> single word out of him, a phone call to the very source of the whole > Him? Him? It's HER! :-) Yep. I'm a "her." But I am *not* the mysterious Holly who was on IRC the night of the EuroEcto Fest! I already checked it with Uli. My IRC nick is "Hollis," and if I was on IRC that night and I didn't say anything, it was because I was asleep on the countertop in my work place; if it was me, I wouldn't have needed to be persuaded to contribute to the conversation. > And she does it all the time! It's Holly, the only > person anywhere to come up with a Ping time of 290 seconds from here to there > and then log off and then mail you and say it was actually my fault. Ha! :-) No, no, no! *You* logged off before me, Anthony! You logged off, so I logged off because as fond as I am of talking to myself, I figured I could do that without typing. > (Just teasing Holly...! *Hug* And I'm STILL giggling..... :-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You're good at that...and that.........and STOP GIGGLING! (though you're good at that, too!) (Big *HUG* for Anthony who delights in silly stories and teasing Holly.) > Ecto PHOTO ALBUM? > > Am I in it? Yipes! :-) Ecto photo album!? Who's got it? Can I see it? Who do I bother about viewing the Ecto photo album? Is Tim Cook in it? I'd love to see if he's a good lookin' as I tell him he is! Holly ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 0:26:04 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Le Legos Paula la's: > Gosh, having Jonathan Carroll come up in this list makes wading thru ... > many a happy hour getting into his stuff since. Sleeping in Flames is > the one I put people onto; am I fondest of this one because one of the > main characters is a Lego artist? I don't know Jonathan Carroll, but I *love* Lego sculptures! You must be too, so, um, yes :-) Speaking of Legos, would someone do me a favor and post if they hear where the USA Lego park will be? Lego is supposed to announce the decision sometime this month and I may not hear their decision. Through the clips at work, I've been following this story for well over a year. Lego finally narrowed down the possible sites to two. It's a competition between Carlsbad, California (just north of San Diego) and somewhere in Prince William County, Virginia (which I assume is not too far from Washington DC) and I'm definitely pulling for the Virginia site. Carlsbad's site probably has a better chance, but there's a citizen's coalition trying to stop Lego from building there. No such organization exists in Virginia and since Lego said that they won't go where they're not wanted Virginia might have the upper hand in that area. The anti-Lego people in Carlsbad call themselves "NAIL" which stands for, get this, "Neighbors Against the Invasion of Lego" and their main fear is that an "amusement park" will bring in undesirable elements such as tacky hotels, fast-food restaurants, high crime and icky folks. NAIL has been conducting a scare campaign equating the Lego park with carnival-type parks. Unfortunately, it seems to me that the city council and pro-Lego bigwigs didn't take NAIL seriously when NAIL first started. I imagine the Lego company takes NAIL seriously. Before the field was narrowed down to 2, they dropped quite a few cities that had anti-Lego groups at work. NAIL didn't really get going until Carlsbad was actually chosen though. Lego is a client of Bacon's and gets every single clip that mentions any and everything concerning Lego, from every newspaper and magazine in the USA and Canada. Lego's client number was among the ones I took care of in the sorting department, so I was used to seeing dozens of clips about Lego(s) every single day. Mentions range from features on the main park in Denmark, to a truckload of Legos being donated to a children's hospital, to a child being shot while playing with Legos, to adults who play with Legos to relieve stress, to Lego artist competitions, to editorials and letter after letter after letter after letter (to the editors) in the Carlsbad newspapers. Fascinating stuff, really! So anyway, I really would like to know the outcome, if someone could please post (or e-mail me) about it when they hear. Thanks in advance! Vickie ps, In case anyone's wondering about my job...I still have it, but I've taken a 3 month leave-of-absence to concentrate on patching myself back together after the mini mental breakdown a few weeks ago. Wish me luck :-) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 1:31:58 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Big Hat info & USA tour dates Neile (hi!) mentioned getting Big Hat's new album (along with all kinds of other cool things!) and that reminded me to post these east coast dates. There might be a few more added, Preston (the keyboard player) is supposed to call me if they come about. Thu Dec 2 Portland, Maine Granny Killams Fri Dec 3 Boston, Mass. The Causeway Sat Dec 4 Northhampton, MA Bay State Thu Dec 9 Norfolk, VA Insect Club Fri Dec 10 Huntington, WV Gumbys Sat Dec 11 Cincinnati, OH Sudsy Malones I went looking for Big Hat posts from the past to explain them for newer Ectophiles, and I found a *great* post from Alan Ezust. Without further ado, (and without permission...hi Alan!) here it is: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (S. A. Ezust) Date: Sun, 16 May 93 21:04:55 EDT To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: hats off to you As vickie indicated recently, Chicago-based group known as "Big Hat", has been touring around the country for the past few weeks. Here is the promised review... Lauren Christy is still coming up, but I want to get the press packet first and read her bio. Big Hat has two CDs out, with a third scheduled for release in the Fall. The two are called: Shimmer C'est La Mort CLM 038-2 (60 minutes) 1991 Inamorata March Records MAR 003 (40 minutes) 1992 I bought them both after seeing them live. I caught them while they were in Boston, playing at the Middle East Cafe in Cambridge, MA, earlier this month. Boston was one of the last dates they did, so while I had a list of all the tour dates, most of them had passed already. Otherwise, I would have posted the dates on the mailing list. It is a shame, as the group is quite impressive live. They will be doing a free outdoor concert somewhere in Chicago in June, if I'm not mistaken... Those of you who are in the area may want to make a point of being there for it. Big Hat presents a breath of fresh air - their style is unique - as far as I know, there are no other groups which are doing anything like Big Hat. The lead singer, Yvonne Bruner, who also writes the lyrics, has a very wide vocal range, which sometimes sounds like Anelli Marian Drecker, such as in the song "Seaside", with cute little trills which send shivers up my spine, but at other times sounds down and depressing more like Siouxsie Sioux in songs such as in "Jesus" or "Red Lines". This was the final act of the evening, which consisted of 3 other groups. One reason I was impressed was that they had absolutely NO guitar on the stage, while the previous 3 acts were almost 100% guitar/drum groups. Instead, Big Hat features Char-Malloy Baum on a 5-string electric violin, Preston Klik on the Trumpet and a "Melodica" (I think this is a xylophone which is suspended in the air by a clotheswire, but I could be mistaken), and Jim Stallman on percussion. "Shimmer" has no dancey songs on it, but a few jazzy ones. The mood it projects could be compared to Cocteau Twins, or maybe Matsui/Drecker, but it isn't like either of them. One song, "You Lied", is an absolute masterpiece - it's hypnotic, with the violin sounding almost Indian in style, and the synths just lift you up and take you flying through the clouds. Inamorata has a few remixes of songs on Shimmer, as well as some previously unreleased material. It is a little more up-beat. The remix of Flowers, called Flowerbox, reminds me of music by Single Gun Theory. Anyway, these folks deserve attention. Catch them if you can... You can mail-order their CDs. Inamorata $10 Shimmer $15 Hathead (casette) $10 (Add $2 for 1st class shipping and handling for any size order) Big Hat C/O Mad Millinery 5602 N. Ridge Chicago, IL 60660 Business: Preston Klik (312) 728-2759 March Records (312) 296-4321 By the way, does anyone know what is on the casette "HATHEAD"? I saw it for sale at the concert, but I decided that 2 CDs were my limit for that night. Is the casette older stuff unavailable on CD or what? -- | Alan Ezust ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks Alan! Vickie ps, I ended up not going to the Halloween party at Preston's house, btw. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 03:00:38 EST From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu (jessica) Subject: i've had a bad day I've had a really bad day. I could potentially go to jail. :( But i did get to hear the new sarah album, which i have been DYING to hear. I've only heard it once so far. my impression is: thank god i got to hear it today. it helped, it really did. I tihnk the album version of "fear" is *really* bizzare, i love it. I'm glad we have both versions. I'd listen to *both*, a lot. wow. several things caught my ear, i'm definitely going to enjoy listening to this album and I'm really looking forward to getting to know it better. I like the second (well, actually third, if you count the second version on the single) version of possesion too. it's not listed on the album track listing, and it has a funny negative time listing on the cd player. weird. Does everyone else's album (who has it so far) have this too? I haven't seen mention of it. I can't wait 'til I have my own copy, but at least I can borrow woj's until his CD player is fixed, and even then at least i could make a tape of it. *sigh*. the bad thing that happened today is that I got "caught". I've been driving around with a suspended license. _Four_ concurrent suspensions in fact. It's a long story. It so goofy. the suspensions are thus: 1) parking ticket in new brunswick I didn't pay. It turns out new brunswick has your license suspended if you don't pay a ticket on time. 2) I got a notice that becuase my insurance policy on my Saab had expired (i'd sold the car just before the end of the insurance policy so I didn't cancel it, i just let it run out) and becuase I also did not renew the registration (obviously, I sold the thing), they assumed I was driving around an uninsured, unregistered vehicle, and suspended my license. All I need to do is bring them the old license plates, which I have (and the $30 reinstation fee of course). 3) A one month suspension was placed on my license because I'd incurred 12 points in a 3 year period. At the time of this notice (it was late spring or early summer I think) it had been more than 2 years since I'd had a ticket, and you get points taken off your license for each year of "safe driving". At least that's how they used to advertise it. The policy really is that the points only come off if there is *no* activity on the license. Becuase of the suspension for not paying the ticket, I didn't have points taken off. 4) in NJ, when you get points on your license, you have to pay huge fines each year. For the points on my license, I have a surcharge of $350/year for 3 years. When I saw that bill I laughed and tossed it somewhere. So my license was suspended for not paying it. Did I care? No, it was already suspended 3 times anyway :). oh boy am i in TROUBLE. I just wish I'd at least been pulled over for doing something *bad* like speeding or driving recklessly or something!!! I can't beleive I was pulled over at all, it's ridiculous. The cop pulled over the person in *front* of me, but kept his car in the road blocking me. Then he came over and asked me to pull over too (argh.. and I was driving my friend patricia to the eye doctor, it was sort of an emergency, she has a growth on her eye and the school doctors wanted her to go to the opthamalagist (?) immediately). I might as well tell this whole story. We weren't far from work/school. I saw this car driving across the grass of the park and wondered aloud what the guy was doing driving on the grass. Then he put on his lights (unmarked police car) and pulled over the person in front of me. "How strange", I said, "that girl didn't do anything, not that we saw anyway.. maybe she did something a mile back or so and he's just pulling her over?" I was baffled. Then, as I described above he pulled me over too. He came over to my car. He said "Oh, your inspecition is out of date, too". I said "yes, I know, it's my husbands car and registered in pennsylvania, and I haven't had a chance to go get it inspected yet." I asked "Why have I been pulled over?". he said: cop> "You were driving on the shoulder." me> "WHAT?! I certinaly wasn't!". cop> "Yes you were." me> "No.... I didn't - I'm making a right turn here, and there's a right turn lane, and I pulled into it.. I definitely didn't pull onto the shoulder!" cop> "No, the woman in front of you pulled over to the right before the right turn lane started and you followed her, you were driving on the shoulder." argh. I realised it was pointless to argue. (I went past there again tonight (i wasn't driving don't worry) and there is really no way at *all* that I pulled onto the shoulder. I did *not* pull over onto dirt, and the hsoulder is dirt up to where it becomes a right turn lane which is paved.) But, it was definitely pointless to argue with this cop. And I knew this was only going to get worse so I shut up. He took my information and the info from the other girl, and went back to his car. He took a while, then went and gave the other girl her ticket (which I don't tihnk she deserved either.. but she might have pulled over before I did and gone on the shoulder, I didn't actually notice at the time if she did or not. I don't tihnk so though). Then he came back to my car, with quite a grin on his face. Uhoh :( I knew I was in for it. cop> "So, you want to start explaining???" me> "Um.. Uh.. Um.. well... where should I start??" (getting more and more exasperated here, realising i'm really in trouble and I don't know if i should try to say anything or just not talk at all) "I know my license is suspended." cop> "You're in a lot of trouble, you know." me> "Mmm hmmm. All four of my suspensions I could take care of, they're all resolved it's just that I can't afford to go pay to get them all lifted and the license reinstated!" cop> (turns to patricia) "Do you have a license?" patricia> "I can't drive, i'm sick" me> "I'm trying to get her to the eye doctor, it's a bit of an emergency, she has to get there soon." cop> "where is she going?" me> (pointing at patricia's paper) "A doctor on route 27." cop> "Well, should I call an ambulance to come take her?" me&patricia> "Yeah, we guess so." cop goes away for a while. ambulance comes. The ambluance drivers have a complete fit when they hear patricia wants to go to an eye doctor on route 27. They start yelling at her that they only drive people to the two hospitals in the area, no regular doctors offices. I lean out in their direction and interrupt them. I explain what happened, that we didn't know they couldn't take her, that we *had* told the officer where she needed to go, and he had suggested the ambulance. The ambulance drivers look at the cop. he looks sheepish. (it occured to me later that if i'd even had a *chance* of being treated nicely by this guy, I lost it right then). I suggest that now that they're there, and that we understand the situation, that we be told what our options are. The ambulance drivers offer to drive patricia to the hospital and explain that she can refuse treatment at the emergency room, and then call someone to come get her. I give her the number of my office-mate/friend/employee and give her a hug and off she goes in the ambulance. The cop goes back to his car. A while later, I realize he may not beleive that the car is my husband's (which I have told him), becuase the car paperwork all says "joseph dembski" and my license says "jessica koeppel". Nothing at all indicates i'm married to this joe dembski person. So I get my marriage license, which I happened to have in the car with me (since my car is a mess containing most things of import in my life), and I bring it over to the cop. I explain. He says "I don't need it, go back to your car". So I do. I wait longer. Eventually a tow truck arrives. The cop comes over, says I should get anything I want out of the car. (I knew this was coming so I've already gathered up my stuff and put everything I wanted into my Sun bag). He instructs me to give my key to the tow guy and says that 1) the owner of the car has to pick up the car, and 2) it's too late today already to pick it up. I say "Oh dear, he's not going to want to come all the way up here to get the car" (which is true, becuase we do live a half hour south of Rutgers, and joe doesn't like to come up here unless there's a *good* reason too, and sometimes not even then. But the cop had kinda questioned the pennsylvania registration and insurance of the car, so I was trying to play up the "joe lives in pennsylvania" idea, without saying it explicitly. (*sigh*). I ask the cop if there is any way someone else or myself could get the car out of the towing place. The cop says only the owner or the owner's wife can pick up the car, *with* a valid license (which I obviously don't have). I drop the subject. (i'm hoping they will release the car to me assuming I have brought someone else with me to drive it away). The tow truck guy actually seemed rather friendly and nice, which was a suprise. And he had a flat bed tow truck so they treated my car ok, didn't pull it. So then the cop says: "There's a 90 day mandatory jail sentance for a second offense." me> "Yes, I know. this is only my first offense." cop> "Well, yes. It'll be up to the judge." I got the feeling he was implying that since my license is a total disaster that they aren't going to be inclined to be nice to me. I'll get a lawyer I hope. cop> "You can walk up to the station and call someone to pick you up. Do you know where the station is?" me> "no... what?" cop> "well it's up that way, you can walk there." me> "I have to just walk away?" cop> "yes." me> "um.. hmmm. um, could I just walk back to work?" cop> "yes." me> "oh." so I walk back to work and collapse. *sigh*sigh*sigh*. I guess I deserved this, and I guess it's good for me to learn my lesson and get forced to get my act together. argh though. :( well, i'll let people know what happens when i go to court. jessica ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)