Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #843 ecto, Number 843 Thursday, 4 November 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* What to do near UCLA... A postcard from Beth Brrr Bdays & Hellays Re: textual revisionism Loreena at Gateway 2000 Another Bday! (& Holly Cole) Hmmm, *ponder* ======================================================================== From: shark@cs.ucla.edu (Jeanne B. Schreiter) Subject: What to do near UCLA... Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 22:57:25 -0800 (PST) Westwood/UCLA If you're going to the Dead concert (nudge, Neal) and you want to know what to around there... Westwood (located very near the UCLA campus) is kind of dead at night. I'd say head over to the Santa Monica Promenade--much more to do around there/look at. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 9:54:28 MET From: Albert Philipsen Subject: A postcard from Beth I received a postcard from Beth yesterday, dated 24 Oct. 93. She writes that her work in Orkney is progressing, and there are only two weeks left. I asked her if she would like to come to the European Ecto party, but she unfortunately can't make it. But she would have loved to have met everyone, and gives you all her best. Albert ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 5:32:18 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Brrr Bdays & Hellays "I have a Laska here inside..." HTR (paraphrased) Retroactive & belated *Hugs* & HAPPY BIRTHDAYS to Dave Steiner, Mortimer, Jessica-Ecto Goddess Lady, Katie Dougiamas and Anthony Horan (if you don't read this until after midnight Oz time) HELLO and WELCOME to all the new Ectophiles and delurkers out there! (I'm so far behind that I know I'd miss somebody if I tried to go for names, but be assured that I'm glad you're here.) I'm back (but not really) from My Own Private Alaska, which is a cold and beautiful, but very sad place. Though I know it's more than ok to do so, I really haven't wanted to bother Ecto with my inner goings-on. Suffice it to say that I've had a rougher time than usual the last few weeks and it's not over yet. I feel awful, and very close to the edge. I haven't even been to work in nearly a week, and I've been sleeping much of that time because when I'm awake I'm either zombied out or crying. I've been thinking that I might have to go into the hospital (yeah, a mental hospital) but I've been there, done that, and I *hated* it, every second of it, so I hope it doesn't come down to that. Chris, my wonderful, beloved Chris, has been so good to me. He loves me so much and treats me like a precious jewel. He's been my rock and anchor and I really don't know how I came to be so lucky to find him, goodness knows *I* don't think I deserve him, but I'm glad I found him, I'm glad that love is truly blind :-) and I have Kate to thank, because we wouldn't have met without her. (For those who don't know our history, and don't mind this mushy stuff...in early December 1982 Chris put an ad in a Kansas City music magazine: "Kate Bush fan with records, videos would like to meet other Kate fans to trade, buy..." with an address and no name. I flipped when I read his ad because I'd been a Kate fan for a year and a half and hadn't met any other fans. Plus, I'd never seen a Kate video. I was the only one who answered his ad. We met, became friends, fell in love, and have been together since. We're soul-mates, a duprass, together forever. All because of Kate, bless her heart.) Speaking of....*sigh* Mmmmm, yes, yes indeed. We went to Tower Monday night but just to see if there were a lot of people there and if they (Tower) were doing any special promotions. Alas, no they weren't and there weren't very many people there. We didn't buy a copy because our friend Charley (he of the Jane Annotations) had already snagged us a copy elsewhere, though we weren't able to get it from him until Tuesday morning because Charley was busy. I got up out of bed to go to Tower and it was disappointing to have to leave Tower without a copy but I'd waited 4 years, one day didn't make much difference. We did meet up with Chip at Tower (hi!*hug*) and he gave us a ride home. I fell asleep in the back of his car, how rude (but I did appreciate the ride, thanks Chip) but I was just so tired. Sleeping all the time is so exhausting, you know :-). Charley brought TRS over Tuesday morning and Chris and I listened to it while wearing double headphone and laying down with our eyes closed. We'd heard the first 4 songs so the "new Kate album" really started for us after "Moments of Pleasure." I loveitloveitloveit of course, but I'm not going to talk about it until after I've heard it manymanymany times. After the first concentrated listening, we put it on as background music, where it will stay until it gets into the soul and bloodstream of our beings :-) and then I'll be ready to concentrate on it again. I do that with all my favorite albums, *especially* Kate/Jane/Happy/Peter albums. In the darkness and dismal depression that I've been trying to fight (caused by many things...and nothing...but one of the many things is SiG being dropped by WZRD :-( because the station finally cracked down on non-students doing radio shows. Not that I had any listeners anyway, but it really, really hurt. This happened a few weeks ago and it hurt so much that I couldn't say anything about it in Ecto) there actually have been a few bright spots. Valerie coming to visit, seeing some wonderful concerts (Dead Can Dance, The Story, Iris DeMent and Holly Cole) and getting to interview Iris DeMent and Holly Cole. Not to mention, of course, The Red Shoes. Plus talking to Jeff-with-the-long- black-hair on the phone while he visited Chicago. Unfortunately we weren't able to meet. Another time, hopefully. Thanks so much to the well-wishers who have written asking where I was, it prompted me to hold my hand up and signal that I'm still here. Not well, not very coherent or articulate, but still alive and happy to be a part of Ecto, even when I disappear into my "underground cave in far northern Alaska" figuratively speaking. I love you all. *HUGS* Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 07:39:33 -0500 From: Mike Matthews Subject: Re: textual revisionism stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) writes: >Why is it "evil" to try to change language? It isn't evil, but >it is arrogant to think that you can change it all by yourself. By the very fact of using language in public you are not doing something by yourself. I'll keep this short due to carpal tunnel and pesky wrist braces. Folks, if your wrists are bothering you, GET TYPING PADS! Before it's too late. Trust me. Mike ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:24:51 EST From: ken@zeus.st.3com.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: textual revisionism Mike Matthews writes: > stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) writes: >>Why is it "evil" to try to change language? It isn't evil, but >>it is arrogant to think that you can change it all by yourself. > > By the very fact of using language in public you are not doing something by > yourself. I think Steve meant more along the lines of: These 100 authors used sexist language, but we'll just edit that and fix it for them. Thus one editor is trying to change the (possible) sexism of 100 others. Or at least try to hide their (possible) sexism from public view. I have to agree with Steve. I mean, who could edit Shakespeare? Ken ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 14:35:46 +0100 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) jankj@stud.cs.uit.no, torbm@stud.cs.uit.no, skomedal@alkymi.unit.no Subject: YAY! All Happy's CDs available in Norway This is taken from the last catalogue which comes from Compacthuset AS, Haugesund, Norway RHODES, HAPPY ------------- Equipoise 52506 145,- Rearmament 59095 145,- Ecto 59096 145,- Rhodes I 59097 145,- Rhodes II 59098 145,- RhodeSongs 59609 145,- Warpaint 43265 145,- I just love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I got something to work with .......... Regards, -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1993 08:39:18 -0500 From: gmcdonald@zdi.ziff.com (glenn mcdonald) Subject: Loreena at Gateway 2000 Just a note I thought might amuse you. Last Saturday I ordered a new PC from Gateway 2000, and their hold music, all day, was Loreena McKennitt's _The Visit_. I didn't mind waiting, though I began to wish my phone could be hooked through my stereo... glenn ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 8:54:33 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Another Bday! (& Holly Cole) Yikes! A belated HAPPY BIRTHDAY also to Kathleen Morrey, our newest Chicagophile! (I had a feeling I was forgetting somebody...how could I forget Kathleen...*hug*) Jane Siberry will be doing her concert/not-a-concert thang in Detroit this Saturday. If all works out, we'll be there forr it. Are there any Detroit/Ann Arbor Ectophiles planning to go? Also, in early December we're (crossed fingers) hoping to go to Toronto to see a Goddess concert. Jane Siberry, Mary Margaret O'Hara, Holly Cole and Victoria Williams, with a backup band that includes David Pilch, Teddy Borowicki (spelling's wrong, sorry), and I can't remember who all else. We've heard that there's a chance that Sarah McLachlan and Eddi Reader might be there, but I'm not counting on it. Jane, MMO, Holly and Victoria are quite enough to get us to do everything humanly possible to be there. Have any Torontophiles heard about this yet? If so, do you have any additional information? I know that it will be at the Glenn Gould Theater, and I *think* it's December 5th. Jane and her trusted manager Bob Blumer (who is on a book tour for his new cookbook, honest) are putting it together. I didn't hear specifically that it was a benefit for Victoria Williams as "Sweet Relief" was, but it seems likely. It's also supposed to be simulcast on the radio, but I'm not sure which station. If we can't go (or, well, even if we can) I'd love to get a copy of it. It would be a perfect addition to Doug's Tape Project, so he would need a copy too. I heard about this from Holly Cole herself. Charley and I interviewed her last Saturday. If you don't have a Holly Cole album but the name sounds familiar, then you probably have Jane's _When I Was A Boy_ because she sings the "angel" part in "An Angel Stepped Down (and slowly looked around)" and on another song that I can't remember off the top of my head. Holly has a new album I don't have (yet) but I do have _Blame It On My Youth_ which came out last year. I hesitate to call the music itself Ectofodder, though Holly herself certainly is. At this point in her career she's concentrating on covers of standards and some more recent music. Charley and I were trying to decide how to describe her and the closest we could come up with was that she does to "lounge" music what kd lang did to country music. Respectful of the songs, yet adding twists and taking the music beyond what it originally was. Holly covers songs such as "Smile" (...though your heart is breaking...most would recognize the song immediately, though Holly points out that very few remember or realize that it was written by Charlie Chaplin) and "On the Street Where You Live" and "I'll Be Seeing You" (...in all those old familiar places) and "Trust In Me" (which Siouxsie covered on _Through the Looking Glass_) and other standards. She also covers songs such as "Calling You" (made famous by Jevetta Steele from the film BAGDAD CAFE, and for Holly it made her famous in Japan, where it got to #5 in the charts) and Lyle Lovett's "God Will" and Tom Waits' "Purple Avenue." Holly has an *incredible* voice and if the initial "lounginess" of the music doesn't put you off, it's a wonderful album with many little subtle quirks. I can't wait to get the new one. (Remember, Tori played this stuff for years!) Holly herself? WOW!! She is just absolutely fantastic! Her albums are actually listed as the "Holly Cole Trio" because it's her, Aaron Davis on piano and David Piltch on string bass. They're all three part of what Charley and I dubbed the "Toronto Music Mafia" (joke!) because they're all friends with people such as Jane Siberry, Mary Margaret O'Hara (Holly said that if she could only take 10 albums to a desert island, that all 10 would be MMO's _Miss America_, and they're also very good friends) and Jane's band mates, past and present, plus people such as kd lang, Sarah McLachlan, Meryn Cadell, Mae Moore and Loreena McKennitt, *just* to namedrop a few! Oh, Rebecca Jenkins too (Jane's former backup singer and an actress to boot-did anyone point out that she has a substantial role in the movie BOB ROBERTS? Rebecca will also be at the Goddess concert.) David Piltch has been all over the place, including playing on _Miss America_ and he's currently working on Eddi Reader's new album! She's recording it in Los Angeles. Back to Holly...Charley set up the interview and we met Holly at the hotel where she was staying. The 3 of us jumped in a cab and headed to a restaurant called Ann Sathers. It seemed to be packed when we got there and Charley hunted around for a quiet corner where we could set up for the interview over lunch. I love that guy, he's amazingly resourceful! Even though there was a wedding reception going on upstairs, he found us a room that wasn't being used. They set us up for lunch, gave us our own waiter and treated us like VIPs. (Charley said that he corralled the upstairs manager and bluffed his way through "...Interview... quiet room...Holly Cole...(who?)...Holly Cole, the famous Canadian diva...(oh)...please hurry, she has to be at a soundcheck and she's very hungry...thank you..." !!! What's the word? Hutzpa? No, that's not it. Anyway, he has a lot of nerve, thank goodness!) Holly was pretty darn impressed! She's *so* much fun! We just set up the microphone, I turned the tape on and we just talked over lunch. We talked about everything from Jane and Mary Margaret to old cars to movies to books about real-life murder mysterys! It really only seemed "stilted" when I tried to steer it into a "real" question and answer interview. Not that she didn't want to talk about her music, but everything flowing in a conversational style was so much more fun and interesting. Charley is going to go crazy trying to transcribe that one! It filled up a 100 minute tape :-) and we're eating through much of it. If he does trranscribe the whole thing, I might just post it all to Ecto :-). After the lunch we took a cab back to Holly's hotel and said our goodbyes. She was performing that night at a tiny little place called Daily's Bar and Grill, which is a terrible name for a pretty cool place. We were on the guest list and they had reserved us a primo booth, very close to the stage. There were a lot of record company squid there, but everyone seemed to be enthralled by her voice, the arrangements and music, and Holly's personality. And her looks! She was wearing a gorgeous little black velvet dress with black hose and black high heels. Her hair was put up, but in a very unusual style that somehow reminded me of Mary Margaret O'Hara. It was subtle, but served to clue that Holly is far different from your usual "Lounge" singer (she hates that term, btw. Charley said "lounge music" at one point and she begged "please, please don't call it lounge"). After the show Holly had to go around hobnobbing so Charley and Chris and I just sat around talking. We talked to David Piltch and Aaron Davis for a while and I got their autographs. I had made a tape for Holly between the time we got back from the interview and the time of the concert and showed it to David. He hadn't heard of any of the artists, which, considering how well-connected he is, made me pretty proud :-). (I tried to stay away from people I knew that Holly knew, and chose artists such as Happy, Iris DeMent, Anne Pigalle, Anna Domino, Lisa Germano, Mary Coughlin, Gyan, Maestro Subgum and the Whole, blackgirls, Rainbirds and Wendy MaHarry.) Holly came over to us and said to the people around her "these are the people I've been raving about all day!" which made us feel great! She really did like us and really did have a great time with us! I gave Holly the tape, and she seemed amazed that we had actually made it (as we were talking about artists over lunch, there were many that Charley and I mentioned, Happy, Lisa Germano, Mary Coughlin and Wendy MaHarry in particular, that Holly said she'd never heard of so I told her I'd make her a tape.) In the endless world of Happyvangelizing, I must say that I also gave her a CD of _Ecto_. I also gave David Piltch a CD of _Equipoise_ and Aaron Davis a CD of _Rhodes II_. I bought the three of them that day, not sure which one to give Holly and having no idea that I'd end up giving all three of them away :-). (Before I forget...the night before, Charley and I had interviewed Iris DeMent and I gave her a CD of _Rearmament_ and the Artists Relations rep from Warner Brothers a CD of _Equipoise_.) Holly talked with us for about 15 minutes then she had to go change. By then it was probably 3am (the show didn't start until midnight) and she was, we all were, pretty tired. Holly is a hugger (yay!) and she gave me a big hug and said "I hope I see you guys in Toronto!" and left. It was *wonderful*! She's nice, she's sweet, she's funny (*wicked* sense of humor!) and lots of fun! The Holly Cole Trio is heading for the East Coast. Though I don't have dates and venues anyone in the NYC, Boston, Philly and DC area should keep an eye out for her. She said she was going to be playing the Bottom Line in NYC, with Meryn Cadell, but she couldn't remember the date. Anywhere else she plays, it's likely to be in small, cool jazzy-ish clubs, so look in the small print. If anyone sees that she's playing, I'd highly recommend going, even if you don't like standards. If nothing else, say hi to her after the show and mention Charley and I :-) and maybe Happy (she might have listened to the tape or CD by then). She's very friendly and easy to talk to, so don't be shy. You could also mention that you heard her on Jane's album, if you have. Holly was definitely a high point in a low week. She's wonderful! Bye for now, Vickie (the Feast or Famine lady) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 15:02:28 +0100 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Hmmm, *ponder* Wonder why the mail came out like it did......I'm so happy for it anyway!!! Yngve ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)