Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #834 ecto, Number 834 Monday, 1 November 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* black tape for a blue girl the Happy Gift Project I Hate To Be A Bitch...But I'm So Good At It Sarah's new one? Re: Big ecto Before I forget again... nightnoise tour dates more pc humor Kate and Crowded House Re: meridian/words/books/other stuff Wishes for the season Attention all American Ectophiles! Happy ad... Re: tangents ======================================================================== Date: 29 Oct 93 15:58:01 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: black tape for a blue girl I found a (new?) album called This Lush Garden Within. It is a little too gothic for me, on 1st listening at least. I would describe it as This Mortal Coil's Blood gone Gothic. Of course it's no where near as bad as that group that did Let It Be (I forget their name). I know people have recommended a Chaos of Desire, which I've never seen. My question is, how does this one compare to the latest? Is it very similar? I got tix for Bjork($16.50), Mann ($12), and MacColl($7). Interesting how the ticket prices reflect their relative known-ness and are directly proportional to their likelihood to sell out. (I guess someone knows their music biz out there. :-) Everywhere I see the Kirsty concert advertised, her name is spelled differently. On the tix, they spell it McColl. In the paper its Mac Coll. Hilarious. Finally picked up the Bjork album. I like it. It will be interesting to see what kind of band she has and how true to the album the songs are. Has anyone seen her yet? -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 13:00:43 PDT From: tjshadb@ecto.sandia.gov (Troy J. Shadbolt) Subject: the Happy Gift Project Laura brought up the Ad idea again (hmm, nice to see that someone else can mention this other than me. :-)) Anyway; if people think this is a good idea; I will (oh boy) commit to the footwork. Perhaps re-route funds that would be spent on the music to this project (Save the Music project as a once-a-year B-day present). I'll call and find out the specifics. And Rob in DeepSpace: do you think we should run this by Susanne first? Just so we advertise the right thing. Oh yeah, Erik @ KLA KSUH radio is available in select parts of the East Bay only. Doesn't get down to San Jose area. ************************** Troy J. Shadbolt tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov ************************** ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: I Hate To Be A Bitch...But I'm So Good At It Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 16:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Look... ...I ordinarily stay out of the business of "let's keep threads relevant" flaming, but I switched to digest format early this fall because the ecto-traffic was becoming mammoth. I'm a busy, busy boy and I get three or four digests as it is. Can we please, please, please take the science fiction discussion to E-mail? Ecto is my only (but very valuable) music news resource, as well as being a terrifically friendly net-environment. I like being on Ecto. But the more sidetracks and tangential discussions I have to wade through, the greater the likelihood that I'll have to either (a) delete the digest without reading it, which sucks if there's something interesting in it, or (b) unsubscribe for good. Neither option is particularly attractive, but I just can't spare the time to scour three or four ecto-digests a day for something that looks like it belongs on a Happy Rhodes mailing list. I love tangents myself. (Cosecants are also kind of cool.) I'm all for discussing any topic that enters the discussion. But when it starts to become really off-subject, could we make an effort to move it to E-mail? If I'm completely out of line with this request, please do shoot me. Understand that I have nothing whatsoever against SF discussions (I write it myself. Why would I?), or the people participating in them. But I don't think this is really the place, and I know I don't have the time. Sorry for the flame. Carry on. Drewcifer ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 14:12:46 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: black tape for a blue girl > I know people have recommended a Chaos of Desire, which > I've never seen. My question is, how does this one compare to > the latest? Is it very similar? I picked up "A Chaos of Desire" on a lark last Xmas, and there are parts that I like, but altogether I think it's a little too self- consciously depressing. Too muddy-sounding, too. Just got a tape of music by a college buddy of mine who's living in da-middle-o-nowhere, Kirksville, Missouri (where we both went to college... he's the perpetual student). His favorite bands are XTC, Nirvana, and the Beach Boys, and it shows. Too bad it's in mono. Really good. Another Missourian friend of mine told me about a Canadian band she saw recently called The Paperboys. Can our Great White North friends elaborate? D^2 ======================================================================== From: dcwalter@tomservo.b23b.ingr.com (Christian Walters) Subject: Sarah's new one? Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 16:44:30 CDT Hello all, Forgive my ignorance, but for the last week or so I've been too busy to read anything I get in the mail -- pretty much deleting everything unread, sad to say :( Sorry. After Monday, I'll be better though :) Anyway, can someone tell me if Sarah McLachlan's new album actually got released in Canada last week? -- Christian Walters * "In order to make sure you don't harm the earth dcwalter@ingr.com * any more than you already have, please die at the Intergraph Corporation * earliest possible opportunity. Have your survivors Huntsville, AL * drop you off at a compost heap." - James Lileks ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 16:39:00 CDT From: Subject: Re: Big ecto My file of posts for yesterday was over 3900 card images long. Some kind of record, for sure. Chip luecks: > [...] I didn't see any >ecto hostiles in that area Of course he didn't. This is, after all, the friendly, fuzzy blue list; not a hostile one in the bunch :-). Unless he meant our detractors from without. :-) WRT GLB characters in SF (oh, that alphabet soup): Don't forget Elf Sternberg' s Furry stories right here on the net. Polyamorous and polymorphous perverse through and through, and you don't even have to travel to a bookstore. WRT Meredith's saga of her long-ago mono: maybe the magnitude of the reaction has upgraded her immunity for bonus years :-). WRT Red Shoes of all types: today I went to an exhibit of movie posters, which included one for a film called _Peeping Tom_--not a period piece about Lady Godiva, but a 50s potboiler about contamporary lowlifes--whose cast included Moira Shearer, who starred in the movie _TRS_. Apparently this noble effort to escape being typecast as ballerinas with problems didn't work in the long run; I have never heard of any films she may have made in recent years. WRT the advert idea: I still have the feeling that any publication that has a significant enough circulation to be worth advertising Happy in probably charges more for display advertising than is practicable for us to collectively scrape together. There are cheaper ways to get ink for Happy. Mitch ---------------------------- "Nobody knew he had a girl...not even the girl." --poster (apparently Australian) for _The D.I._, starring Jack Webb (1957) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 17:00:25 CDT From: Subject: Before I forget again... Happy belated birthday to the New York subways, happy on-time birthday to the Huntley-Brinkley Report, and--of course--happy birthday to Our Founder, Jessica (or Falafel Falafel &c., as she now calls herself on her .sig :-) ). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 18:49:50 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (dressed to ingest) Subject: nightnoise tour dates [scarfed from rec.music.celtic - +woj] From: Ceolas Newsgroups: rec.music.celtic Subject: Nightnoise tour dates Date: 27 Oct 1993 20:36:40 GMT Nightnoise are about to tour as part of the Windham Hill "Winter Solstice" tour, along with guitarist Alex de Grassi and pianist Liz Story. Nightnoise currently consists of Triona Ni Dhomhnaill, Micheal O Domhnaill (both late of the Bothy Band, Skara Brae and Relativity), classical/jazz flautist Brian Dunning and fiddler Johnny Cunningham (Silly Wizard, Relativity) and currently play a mix of original pieces with celtic, jazz and classical influences. Nov 6 Maryland Hall for the Creative Arts, Annapolis MD Rod Hinman 410-263-5544 Nov 7 Frostburg State U. Multipurpose Room, Frostburg MD Bill Mandicott 301-689-4151 Nov 8 Princeton U. McCarter Theatre, Princeton NJ William Lockwood Jr 212-875-5000 Nov 10 Atlanta Symphony Hall, Atlanta GA Mitch Gershenfeld 404-898-1177 Nov 12 Kravis Center/Dreyfoos Hall, W. Palm Beach FL Bill Faucett 407-655-6664 x201 Nov 14 S. Alabama U. Saenger Theater, Mobile AL Bruce Morgan 205-438-5686 Nov 15 Tivoli Theater, Chattanooga TN David Johnson 615-757-5042 Nov 17 State Theater, Kalamazoo MI Kevin Brady 616-345-8188 Nov 18 Macomb Center for Performing Arts, Macomb MI Bill Biddle 313-286-2141 Nov 19 Sangamon State U. Aud., Springfield IL John Dale Kennedy 217-786-6150 Nov 20 Schaumburg Center for Arts, Schaumburg IL Betsy Armistead 708-894-3600 Nov 21 Madison Civic Center, Madison WI Bob D'Angelo 608-266-6550 Nov 22 Beloit College/Eaton Chapel, Beloit WI William Faust 608-363-2577 Nov 23 Corson Auditorium, Interlochen MI Edward Downing 616-276-7372 Nov 26 Hemmens Auditorium, Elgin IL Susie Richardson 708-697-3616 Nov 27 EJ Thomas Performing Arts, Akron OH Dan Dahl 216-972-7595 Nov 28 Emery Theater, Cincinnati OH Ron Esposito 513-731-9898 Nov 29 Guthrie Theater, Minneapolis MN Sue McLean 612-347-1161 Dec 1 Keswick Theater, Glenside PA Roy Snyder 215-572-5495 Dec 2 Stockton Performing Arts Center, Pomona NJ Michael Cool 609-652-4607 Dec 3 Berklee Performance Center, Boston MA Maure Aronson 617-876-4275 Dec 4 State Theater, Easton PA Jim Regensberg 410-484-4600 Dec 5 U. of Nebraska Lied Center, Lincoln NE James Buckley 402-472-2454 Dec 8 SW Missouri State U. Hammons Hall, Springfield MO Enoch Morris 417-836-6776 Dec 9 U of Central Arkansas Waldran Aud., Conway AR Penny Eberhard 501-450-3406 Dec 10 Spirit Square, Charlotte NC Joe Jefcoat 704-372-9664 Dec 11 Bijou Theater, Knoxville TN Ashley Capps 615-523-2665 Dec 12 Carolina Theater, Greensboro NC Brian Gray 919-333-2600 Dec 14 Playhouse Theater, Tampa Bay FL Judith Lisi 813-222-1000 Dec 17 Tower Theater, Fresno CA Ron Eichman 209-485-9050 Dec 18 Cerritos Center for the Arts, Cerritos CA Victor Gotesman 310-916-8510 Jan 21 Yavapai College Performing Hall, Prescott AZ Debbie McCasland 602-776-2221 Jan 22 Scottsdale Center for the Arts, Scottsdale AZ Jan 23 Kathy Hotchner 602-994-2301 ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 19:40:42 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (dressed to ingest) Subject: more pc humor [continuing this thread in a less than serious manner... +woj] POLITICALLY CORRECT NFL ----------------------- Washington Native Americans New York Very Tall People Dallas Western-Style Laborers L.A. Uninvited Guests Minnesota Plundering Norsemen Green Bay Meat Industry Workers. San Francisco Precious Metal Enthusiasts New Orleans Pretty Good People Phoenix Male Finches Miami Pelagic Percoid Food Fishes Denver Untamed Beasts of Burden Cincinnati Large Bangladeshi Carnivorous Mammals Tampa Bay West Indies Freebooters Detroit Large Carnivorous Cats Chicago Securities-Traders-in-a-Declining-Market Indianapolis Young Male Horses New England Zealous Lovers of Country Atlanta Hovering Birds of Prey Philadelphia Largely Non-Hovering Birds of Prey Seattle Oceanic Birds of Prey Tampa Bay Ocean-Going Unlawful Salvage Personnel Houston Liquid Fossil Fuel Devotees (or taking a different interpretation of oilers) Wheel Rotation Perpetuators LA Male Horned Largely-Mountain Faring Ruminants NY Air-Fed Inertial Reaction Propulsion Systems Kansas-City Native American Leaders Pittsburg Ferrous Heavy Industry Personnel Cleveland Subtle Mixtures of 66% Red and 33% Green San Diego High Voltage Capacitor Technicians Buffalo Men Named William, On Familiar Terms With Associates ======================================================================== From: boek Subject: I Hate To Be A Bitch...But I'm So Good At It (fwd) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 17:01:56 +0100 (MET) [Drewcifer complains about tangents] Hi Drewcifer, One of the things that I like about ecto is that nobody (up to now :) ) has made a similar complaint. I personally (i.e. IMHO, _I_ think this) think anything and everything should be able to be discussed here at whatever length and for however long as it happens to happen. The science fiction thread is, I imagine, of interest to more than a few ectophiles, so how does one take such a thing to email - set up a completely new mailinglist "Ectophiles who like to read about gay characters in science fiction novels" or something. How specific can you get before it becomes just a little silly. Yes, ecto is large, yes ecto is diverse, yes, it's sometimes hard to sift out the important information (while noting that 'important' in that last sentence is highly subjective) but that is what ecto _is_. If we start to impose such rules, the line between 'in' and 'out' becomes a matter of dispute, and people start to hesitat before posting, then we have flames and VOILA we become a gaffa. Maybe I'm overreacting. I hope not. Maybe I've become too serious of late. I hope not. I seem to recall providing a similar discourse to you re: flaming :). Please not that this isn't a flame, and certainly isn't representative of ecto (or meant to be). Maybe we could have a survey ... I'll shut up for now, except to post about a couple of albums I've been listening to in the last few days ... :) Chris (who is actually a very happy chappie now that he's in Holland ... really ... honest ..... :) :) ) -- --_ /| \ ) Christopher Boek boek@hacktic.nl | \_| / PieterMolijnlaan 12, 2343 ES Oegstgeest +31 71 173984 | | /x ( <-- LEIDEN | \ == _ | "Hebban olla vogala nestas hugunnan hinase hic anda ===---/ |( thu" - Earliest surviving Germanic text (Gothic) -- ======================================================================== From: boek Subject: Kate and Crowded House Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 17:14:06 +0100 (MET) This weekend I've been listening to two albums. 1. Crowded House - Together Alone 2. Kate Bush - The Red Shoes My initial reaction to both is : Excellent albums. **POTENTIAL SPOILERS** I have to admit that I'm not a horribly critical sort, but I _love_ many of the songs on The REd Shoes (and I officially declare 'And So Is Love' to be the best song :) ) and as an album, I think it's one of her best to date! I seem to remember somebody saying that 'Why Should I Love YOu' was out of place - I couldn't disagree more - It's a wonderful song. The collaborations (Eric on ASIL and Prince/Lenny H/ TriBulg on WSILY) are very nicely done. I'm impressed. The Crowded House album got 5 stars in the Q Review which is IMHO deserved. I think its' a fantastic album and highly recommend it to anybody. The single out at the moment is 'Distant Sun' which is very good, but there are yet better songs there ... at least give it a listen. I'd hesitate to call it Ecto Music, bu then again that's just another Little Box (you never know ... tons of ectophiles might actually _like_ it!!) There. That's my musical contribution for a while. I must admit that I was surprised to get my Red SHoes so early. I happened to wander into a CD shop on Friday because Perttu had said it there and I wanted to check itout, and lo and behold, standing in the racks under B was *IT*. They had apparently been delivered 15 minutes before I entered the shop :) :). What timing! Anyway, must fly, till next time Chris. -- --_ /| \ ) Christopher Boek boek@hacktic.nl | \_| / PieterMolijnlaan 12, 2343 ES Oegstgeest +31 71 173984 | | /x ( <-- LEIDEN | \ == _ | "Hebban olla vogala nestas hugunnan hinase hic anda ===---/ |( thu" - Earliest surviving Germanic text (Gothic) -- ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 12:31 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: meridian/words/books/other stuff > i really liked the covenant books, although i hated covenant himself. > i kept hoping he'd die or have all his fingers fall off or go blind > and insane or something. on the other hand, i read the first one > of the mirror series, and it was so poor that i haven't had any desire > to pick up a donaldson book since. sad but true. Well, I didn't like the Covenant books. I still haven't read more than the first two and the first three or so chapters of the third. I always try to continue reading them, but I just can't. Most is due to the f*cking bad character of Thomas Covenant - rape, disbelieving (yes, of course that's the main focus of the book, but anyhow), and not accepting that he just CAN be lucky. I NEVER EVER understood why he did not chose to live in the land for ever, especially when he could be healthy and all well there. He acts like a small child that says "I DON'T WANT TO". On the other hand I loved the mirror series. With the exception of Ulysess this book is telling by far the most stuff in the least book-time. The first half of the first book (about 300 pages, 450 in the German edition I read first) is nothing more but three days. You don't really notice this while reading. Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 14:42:28 CDT From: Subject: Wishes for the season It occurred to me just after my last post yesterday that I had forgotten to wish everyone a happy Halloween. Not wishing to unleash a whole set of small posts at once, I decided to let it go for the moment. The moment has now arrived, or something like that :-). SO: Happy Halloween from I and the colony of black cats out in back of my abode. Mitch ======================================================================== Subject: Attention all American Ectophiles! From: gaffa@mind.org (Valerie Nozick) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 08:39:58 -0400 Sorry if this is redundant, but... Rubberband Girl will be on 120 Minutes (on MTV) THIS Sunday night midnight. Hurray! This comes straight from the folks at MTV, so believe it. Can this really be _two_ KT videos in such a short period of time? Heaven. ==> Valerie (who promises to finally post a detailed description of my visit to Chicago asap) -- mind.org 404/659-5720 Public Access Usenet in Atlanta ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 16:38 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Happy ad... Hi folx! Last time buying an ad for Happy came up, Susanne strongly suggested we do not do it. Happy would much prefer a personal gift from all of us. Nevertheless, I'll run it up the flagpole one more time and we'll see if anyone salutes! I like the idea myself, and I don't think it would be prohibitavely costly. Still, if Happy and/or her management would rather we do not do this, I'm willing to contribute what I can for whatever the general consensus recommends. BTW, Kevin's brithday is upon us as well... So many great shows in Philly, from DCD tonight, thru the Firesign Theatre, to Kristy McColl. And I'm woefully underfunded. Next time fer sure!!! Take care, and a Happy halloween to ectonians everywhere! Bob O'Lantern ======================================================================== Subject: Re: tangents Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 14:16:12 PDT From: Eli Brandt > From: boek > I personally (i.e. IMHO, _I_ think this) think anything and > everything should be able to be discussed here at whatever length > and for however long as it happens to happen. fwiw, I agree with you. I've only been on the list for a few weeks, but it looks to me like it works. Many lists don't -- they're dead, or they're flame-filled, or nobody knows anyone else, or threads never last for more than one `round'. And it looks to me as if the successful lists are the ones that don't try too hard to stay on topic. This seems a bit strange, but there are some reasons. Being rigid about topic kills some worthwhile discussions, that might even have looped back and been relevant. It also tends to cause arguments about whether something is on-topic, which is probably the most pointless thing you can have on a list. :-) ObEcto: just acquired Bel Canto's _shimmering, warm, and bright_. On first listen, sort of quirky ethereal synth-dance with some nice vocal technique. My only complaint is that the overall sound doesn't vary much over the album. Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu ======================================================================== From: ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 20:43:12 EDT Subject: Re: I Hate To Be A Bitch...But I'm So Good At It [In message "I Hate To Be A Bitch...But I'm So Good At It" on Oct 29, Tree of Schnopia writes:] | | Look... | | ...I ordinarily stay out of the business of "let's keep threads relevant" | flaming, but I switched to digest format early this fall because the | ecto-traffic was becoming mammoth. I'm a busy, busy boy and I get three or | four digests as it is. Can we please, please, please take the science | fiction discussion to E-mail? Ecto is my only (but very valuable) music | news resource, as well as being a terrifically friendly net-environment. I | like being on Ecto. But the more sidetracks and tangential discussions I | have to wade through, the greater the likelihood that I'll have to either | (a) delete the digest without reading it, which sucks if there's something | interesting in it, or (b) unsubscribe for good. Neither option is | particularly attractive, but I just can't spare the time to scour three or | four ecto-digests a day for something that looks like it belongs on a Happy | Rhodes mailing list. Sometimes when I have time, I am in the mood to read all the tangents, and sometimes I am not. These days, I'm much too busy to read chit-chat, and so I just delete most of the ecto-mail without reading it (sometimes I skim through very quickly, and that's how I noticed drewcifer's message), and I know it is a shame, but I have no choice. But I think the solution for all would be some kind of mailing-list split: ecto.music - for discussion of music only ecto.tangents - for discussion of everything else. And then I can unsubscribe to ecto.tangents until I am not so busy. -- | Alan Ezust ezust@{binkley.}cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| This line is intentionally left blank. ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)