21-Nov-91 18:54:04-GMT,17702;000000000401 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08564; Thu, 21 Nov 91 13:36:28 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08633; Thu, 21 Nov 91 13:36:22 EST Date: Thu, 21 Nov 91 13:36:22 EST Message-Id: <9111211836.AA08633@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #54 ecto, Number 54 Thursday, 21 November 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* wxpn new gifs where *are* the archives? oops. I feel silly Heh Tom's Magic Shell from Mexico complete silence ragtime ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Nov 91 18:28:55 EST From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: wxpn on my way to work this morning i heard "revolving man" on the radio, and last week i head "everything reminds me of my dog" nifty. it's nice to have finally found a station i can hear neat stuff on. It's too bad i can only get it for about the length of one song while on my way to work!!!! very frustrating. i've found that i absoutely love cocteau twins "Treasure", but nothing else of theirs ive listened to so far i like as much. did i say that already? my apologies if i did. Has anyone gotten the box set yet? I'm wondering what the stuff on it sounds like, i'll only want it if it's treasure-ish :) jessica ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Nov 91 20:45:25 EST From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: new gifs Well.. not really new. I've played with the ones we already have, and have also put up the "ecto_relief" gif. There's nothing new, and nothing that people with "xv" can't do themselves, but for the benefit of those who don't have gif editing tools, here are some better and some different versions. warpaint.gs.gif is *much* better than warpaint.GIF, i'm considering replacing warpaint.GIF entirely. ecto.gs.gif and rearmament.gs.gif are simply greyscale versions of the originals, thus getting rid of the weird colors from the scan. ecto_relief.gif is the previously talked about 3D-ish ecto. volume.2.different.gif and volume.2.heather.gif are just odd, but I liked them :) jessica ======================================================================== Subject: where *are* the archives? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 91 20:53:21 EST From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu I'd love to get the new versions of the GIFs but I can't seem to find the archives...I just FTP'd to athos.rutgers.edu and didn't see a sign of 'em. On a similar subject, I currently have a disk with 256-shade greyscales of the first 3 tapes, as well as myself...(I accidentally overwrote my Ecto scan). Unfortunately, they're all in TIFF format and I have no way to convert them. Can somebody point me toward an IBM package that will let me convert these to GIF? I'd use the pbm+ package, but I haven't been able to find IBM binaries (I tried to use the ST binaries on my ST, but discovered that they require 4 megs to run...) Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Nov 91 20:57:13 EST From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: oops. my apologies, they are on athos.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr the gifs are on a subdir called gifs. :) Jeff, I can convert your tiff files for you, if you can't find IBM stuff to do it.. you cna plop them down on remus.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/incoming. jessica ======================================================================== Subject: I feel silly Date: Wed, 20 Nov 91 21:03:34 EST From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu I was *in* pub, but I was looking for "ecto"...I never even thought to check the aitches. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Nov 91 21:13:29 EST From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Heh I guess "ecto" *would* be a bit more intuitive!!! But I didn't want to draw attention to the directory.. "hr" is much less noticeable (hehe, as we've discovered firsthand) than "ecto"! jessica ======================================================================== From: Jeanne B Schreiter Subject: Tom's Magic Shell from Mexico Date: Wed, 20 Nov 91 20:15:17 CST Tom's Magic Shell from Mexico November 18, 1991 I stuck the shell in my bra to be closer to my beating heart. The touch I felt was of the sea, the whales calling me, fitting together (palm and mind) naturally. I stopped breathing, to catch our voices melting, into a seeing of pleasure. Turquoise brown spots tearing droping basting our mouths with pebbles of sand jewels. Our skin tastes them, stretching at the water markings, the roots of babble. I take the shell from the heat of my breasts, clutching new found fond rememberance, past and te present still, in our world, beneath our gills. I rub my thumb over your shell, tasting everything-- you mean to me and my growing tree. _ Jb Schreiter As to KB's "Women's Work", looking forward to January 1992 and all the things I will neve forget. ======================================================================== From: Jeanne B Schreiter Subject: complete silence Date: Wed, 20 Nov 91 20:15:40 CST Complete Silence November 19, 1991 The room is completely silent with the exception of seeing eyes They flutter, thier lids quickly spinning fluid over the irises. I follow them unseen. I am blind like the bats at daybreak and the birds as they glide through the air. I touch and growl, my chin feeling the unseen. The heat is felt, gently swaying palms filled with fingers. Lips touching hair, the soft responsiveness like pale peach ripe petals holding in the water after a gentle spring rainfall. Words are never needed. Touching in twos. Skin upon skin. Our skins meet, over hugs and inner black pools of darkness, there is nothing quite as rich as when my soul reaches yours and you hold me in complete silence. -JB Schreiter ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1991 13:04 +8:00 From: SVODOPIER@cc.curtin.edu.au Subject: Re: complete silence (fwd) Makes me wish my birthday was on January 3rd. Martin ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Nov 91 12:45:00 EDT From: @cdp.igc.org:S.A..Ezust@p38.f1.n721.z5.Fidonet.Org (S.A. Ezust) Subject: ragtime First of all, apologies in advance for not talking too much about happy in this message. There are a few things that make it difficult for me to discuss her -- one is that I only have a tape of Warpaint, and I've never heard any of her other stuff (this problem should be remedied soon), and the other is that I would love to partake in some of the philosophical discussions about the words in her music, but I don't know what they all are... If some kind soul could e-mail me the lyrics for Warpaint, I would really appreciate it! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 91 08:36:35 MST > From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) > Subject: Stuff [tm] > > Alan joins the long list of 'Stuff/Vickie' writers: > Is Jon Drukman on this list? Why are you shifting the blame on him > anyway? Is he one of the gaffa-ites who ectonians can't stand or > something? What's going on? Well... if you really want to know.... To > answer your questions: No, why not (Gee, that's mean of me!), and yes. If I > can dig it out, I'll e-mail a copy of his infamous Happy Rhodes review, and > you can get an hint of what was going on. To fully understand, you need to > have read rec.music.gaffa for the last six months or so and some early Ecto > posts. To keep things simple, let's just call it a clash of personalities. Hmm. I've heard that before! Jon's a nice guy though, and even after reading his infamous review, I don't see why anyone would be _mad_ at him. I thought it was a very intelligent, well thought-out and fun-to-read review, which should induce intelligent non-flame types of discussions. Jon doesn't "beg" people to flame him, as someone else mentioned somewhere else on this base. > [By the way, Alan, I'm trying to send some e-mail to you, trying a different > address every other day. Please let me when you get one, and which address > worked.] I got 2 copies of your msg. I replied to one of em. Did you get it? > ======================================================================== > > From: guetzlaf@gravity.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) > Subject: Re: Stuff [tm] > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 91 11:47:19 CST > > >Finally, I'll get Jessica jealous again. Let it snow! Let it snow! Let it > >snow! Two inches (5cm) already with six to ten (15-25cm) more predicted by > >tomorrow. > > Let it snow??????? Instead of an envious green, I'm turning a nauseous > green. Here in Minneapolis we're still digging out from the Halloween > Blizzard -- almost 30 inches of snow that clogged my snowthrower, broke > my shovel, wasn't good for X-country skiing, and actually caused some folks > to beat up others with baseball bats! Yeah, but YOU live in the midwest, where everyone just looking for an excuse to beat each other up with baseball bats. ("Hmmm. It's snowing. Batter's up!!") :-) Us New Englanders know how to handle things like snow intelligently! :-) But I'm sure you'd like to switch places with me - we're just coming onto our 'summer' which is also known as the 'rainy season'. Hot scorching days followed by cool wet nights. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > From: Jeanne B Schreiter > Subject: WOW > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 91 12:37:24 CST Oh I am not actually replying to your msg, but I just thought I'd express my appreciation of your poetry here. I love it! I just started writing poems myself, in fact, but they don't have the flow that your work does yet.... There once was a poet named Dan who's poetry never would scan when told this was so, he said "yes I know... that's because I try to jam as many sillables into the last line - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Meredith Tarr mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu sez: > Speaking of which, I can deal with Drukman, simply because it's absolutely > impossible to take him seriously. He's fully aware he's an asshole and is > so in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way that isn't as annoying as those of the > Cynthia variety. I'm not sure why these two impress me differently, but > they do- and while I know he would never join Ecto, I don't think he would > be so bad over here if he did: he wouldn't have anyone to play off of and > beg him to flame them. Cynthia, on the other hand, is like a Siamese > Fighting Fish: all she'd ever need is a mirror. Speaking as someone who co-moderates the Legendary Pink Dots mailing list, where Jon posts frequent msgs, I quite appreciate his presence there. We argue about lots of stuff, but it's all in good fun. Nobody should ever take themselves or anyone else too seriously when discussing music on the net. I think that is a rule to live by, and it doesn't just apply to Jon (who follows these rules quite faithfully). I read his article and laughed out loud!! It's great stuff! I don't necessarily agree with him in every respect, but some of his criticisms are very objective and technical, and perhaps (dare I say?) valid... Some people, when they hear music for the first time, already have decided whether they'll like it or not, depending on their mood, or who it was that introduced them to the music. I am guilty of this offence; most likely if it's a girl I am madly in love with who plays me a tape of her favorite music, I'll immediately like the music, even if it is technically flawed, or incredibly simple, or whatever. If I am in a bad mood, that could be another factor. As he indicated in his article, he had just broken up with his girlfriend and had a lousy cold... anyway. > Oh- it is my belief that Drukman listens to the Happy tape Vickie sent him > at least once a week, if not more often, yet wouldn't admit it even under > torture. He probably liked it, but didn't want to spoil his reputation, > hence the exceedingly immature and shallow review. Have we come to expect > anything else from him by now? Hmm. That's awfully a cruel thing to say. Two of his favorite groups now are Skinny Puppy and Legendary Pink Dots, but if you read what he had to say about these groups the first time he was exposed to them, you'd think that he'd never admit to liking them now. Those reviews are also 'classics' in the same way that his happy review is. If he likes Happy now, he'll admit it, I am sure. Incidentally, over the past couple of weeks I just played Happy for two different people, and both of them didn't like her at all. I should also mention that these people do like Kate Bush. I can think of a couple of reasons why these two people didn't like it: 1] The music is fairly simple and repetative 2] Her voice sounds like an imitation of other people's voices As it happens, I really like Warpaint, and even though the melodies are very simple and repetative, they flow very nicely and they stimulate the right braincells which make me 'happy'. Some people don't have the same braincells stimulated by the same censor input that I do, and I understand that. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Date: Sat, 16 Nov 91 2:36:57 EST > From: jessica > Subject: lots > > About Sarah McLachlan: the new album "Solace" *is* on nettwerk (sp?) > in canada - I tihnk Arista is just who is supposed ot market it here > in the US. In that case, it should be quite easy to get the album... Sarah is a national hero, much more popular than Jane Siberry, and you can buy her records EVERYWHERE... Anyone on this list who wants to get such a CD should just call their nearest friend in canada and get it, fer chrissake. If you don't have a friend in Canada, and want to wait until I get back there in January, I can even pick it up for ya. > I *am* jealous over the snow. i *love* snow, even when it causes > inconveniences. inconveniences and harships are good for the soul. > :) and i just don't live in a very good area for it. (the past couple > of years, anyway!) All my friends thought I was seriously deranged for deciding to take my holiday in January. While it is 30 degrees on a typical day here, and it is also 30 degrees on a typical day in Boston, the Americans use a different measuring system to make it sound warmer... But I can't wait to hit the ski slopes! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Date: Sat, 16 Nov 91 11:58:47 EST > From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) > Subject: ectopolis Talking about Sarah Mclachlan again > incidentially, sarah was asked to be the singer for moev once upon a time. > that was back in 1985, i think, when moev was still on nettwerk. i think > they settled on someone named kelly something,but i've forgotten her name. > this was also before the band changed its sound. Dunno if anyone's interested (I'm sure Woj knows this already) but Sarah also sung in a song called "As the End Draws Near" which was done by another Nettwerk group called Manufacture. It is a little techno, and very dancible, so some of you may not like it, but I thought it was one of the most wonderful songs in that genre of music, and that was purely because of Sarah's involvement in it. The LP name is "Terrorvision" but a 12" version is available too. Ezust@p38.f1.n721.z5.fidonet.org University of Zimbabwe, Harare Engineering CAL Project --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu The ecto archives are on athos.rutgers.edu in the anonymous ftp area under pub/hr. There are gifs, lyrics, and assorted other things. To get back issues of the digest, send mail to ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu. To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! Donations above the subscription cost are welcomed - all money goes to bringing you better issues! 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