13-Nov-91 18:08:01-GMT,18749;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14776; Wed, 13 Nov 91 12:52:17 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24692; Wed, 13 Nov 91 12:52:08 EST Date: Wed, 13 Nov 91 12:52:08 EST Message-Id: <9111131752.AA24692@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #38 ecto, Number 38 Wednesday, 13 November 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* brain-wave stimulators i only said Re: reply to everyone Re: Stuff Re: ectoplasmic spewings! _We Can't Dance_ E-mail for Klaus (sorry, but it bounced) Welcome and pop quizzes and such ======================================================================== Subject: brain-wave stimulators Date: Tue, 12 Nov 91 21:06:55 EST From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu Woj mentioned a couple of 'objects' for stimulating alpha brainwaves through the use of flashing lights through closed eyelids. I have a program for my Atari ST that does this...it flashes the entire screen between white or yellow and black at various frequencies (10 frequencies available through the number keys on the keyboard). To use it, you're s'posed to turn off the lights and close your eyes...and stare at the monitor. 'Tis truly wild. One of the most interesting effects is that if you move your head toward the monitor, it feels like you're falling into it--you keep moving your head closer and closer, but you never bump into it. I've had some pretty weird hallucinations playing around with the program, but it's been years since I've used. And I dont' think I ever experimented with listening to varying types of music along with the visual stimulation. See? We *all* knew computers would even replace drugs some day! Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Nov 91 21:10:19 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: i only said hmm, flash judgement, uninfluenced by net opinions, critical preoccupations, or a second listening to the CD: the new My Bloody Valentine album, _loveless_, is very very good. if you have heard the other albums -- well, this one is even denser, lusher, with a suprising Cocteau Twins feel on many of the songs, maybe slightly hipper drums somewhere in the background, lots of airy vocals from bilinda butcher -- *no* idea about the lyrics. if you haven't heard the other albums, take the above and add crazed, pitchless, distorted guitars that tend toward pillows of sound (as compared to the rough wooden floor of sound from, say, Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, who *could* be described in a similar manner), indecipherable lyrics, and far catchier melodies than you might expect. first impressions are this is one in which y'all might be interested. footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Nov 91 22:09:35 EST From: jessica Subject: Re: reply to everyone Alan writes (a lot, wow!): > I noticed someone else shares my birthday.... Kevin Bartlett. Is this > guy a member of the list, or a member of Happy's band? Someone please > enlighten me; Happy lives with Kevin - their relationship is both personal and professional, he plays quite a bit on Warpaint, and helped record/mix/etc... it. He started Aural Gratification, and many of its releases are his own cassettes. They're pretty interesting (what i've heard of them - parts of 7 and Breadfeet) - sometimes a bit philip glass-like though in general more of a song structure. The way he layers sounds together is nice, very atmospheric not relaly in a new-age way, there seems to be a bit of humour (or maybe a lot :) in his music. woj and alan both write about Hex: > ... forced and strained ... I wouldn't have put it quite like that but then, i've only heard three songs, but i'd defintiely say Hex doesn't grab my attention too much, the songs seem very unimaginative, in a way. alan again: > When will she hit Boston? Don't have tour dates yet, though of course you'll be the firsts to hear!!! alan on S.K.: > What is unique about King is that he can make any character > believable, and you are actually inside the brain of each and every > one of them. Yep, just how i feel about it too. I've found it unusual for an author to show you so much about so many of the characters in a book. (maybe i've just been reading the wrong books?? but in general i find there's one or two main characters. But even in King's books that do have just one or two main characters, whenever someone else does sometihng, he tells you sometihng abotu that person so that you udnerstand what they're doing, *Why* they are doing it. It's a huge difference form most things i read, and I guess the reason I like it so much is that I tihnk that way myself - I can't tell anyone a story abotu anything without telling them the background. My friends' favorite joke about me and my stories: "First the Earth cooled..." It's not *quite* true, but almost ;) anyway, this is vaguely Happy-related. I tihnk one of the things I like a lot about Happy's songs lyrics-wise is that they show she's done a good amount of thinking about why people do and tihnk the things they do. It's a quality i very much like in people.) Hmm, that's a lot to put in parenthesis. Alan, go ahead and read the second "dark tower" book (called "The Drawing of the Three" (there was a discrepancy over "The" being in the title.. i checked it last night at home, it's definitely "The...")), the *third* book is currently out! (and *it* is a cliffhanger). alan asks about sarah. Well, i don't know why (does anyone?) but Arista doesn't seem to be releasing Solace here!!!!!!! It kept getting pushed back and back.. and now it's "postponed indefinitely". :P Alan, if you send me a tape to get a copy of the stuff i did, i'll put some SOlace on there too. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Nov 91 22:15:42 EST From: jessica Subject: Re: Stuff doug writes: > The song that comes the closest to doing that for me is _I Have a > Heart_. The first time I heard it was while driving, I didn't quite > catch the lyrics, but I had a cold dread in my heart about the meaning > of the song. Me too. I was driving. I said "uhoh". and rewound the tape. > When I got home that day, I played it again, caught the > lyrics, and completely lost it. This song is way too autobiographical > for me. No other song I've ever heard has come within a light year of > touching me as deeply and as unguardedly as _I Have a Heart_. *sigh*. I burst into tears too. (silly of me at 70 miles/hour :) I still cry sometiems when i listen to it, especially if i'm singing along and let myself get into it. I do that also with Kate's "this woman's work". TSW came out the day our friend Charlene died at age 29 of cancer. I still can't sing that one through without fighting tears. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Nov 91 22:22:24 EST From: jessica Subject: Re: ectoplasmic spewings! woj says: >Re: Personal info database > alright: 4:37pm, 5'9 3/4", 180 lbs, deep blue, blond, taken. and i drive > a type 10 cavalier hatchback. it's color is brown, btw. :) this is getting > silly.... Hmm you're right but it's so irresistable. We need a little ridiculosity in our lives i guess. I'm 6 feet tall, 145 lbs, hazel to grey with a dark rim, blonde with a blue streak (affectionately refered to by several users as "the elusive blue-streaked systems programmer"), married, and i drive a '74 Saab (model 99) which is just *wonderful* but doesn't have 2nd gear along with lots of other important things. :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Subject: _We Can't Dance_ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 91 22:44:27 EST From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu I figgered this was as good a place as any for this... The new Genesis is out and I have mixed feelings about it. First: it blows Phil Collin's last album, _But Seriously..._ out of the water. There's a *reason* these 3 guys are still writing music together. I just can't figure out what it is...;-) It's a *long* album...12 tracks in 71 or so minutes. Yes, this means there are some long songs...two of 'em are at least 10 minutes. Unfortunately, neither of them are as good as the songs of that length on all their albums from the 80's (Duke's Travels/Duke's End, Dodo/Lurker, Home By the Sea, The Last Domino, or the uncut Tonight, Tonight, Tonight (I detest the radio edit; it doesn't have the same impact as the full version--a song which used to give me those ever-discussed magical shivers)). Lyrically, they seem to be stuck in a rut. A deep one. Someone really needs to tell Phil Collins to stop Caring so much. He's not nearly as good at it as Happy Rhodes is... "Tell Me Why" sounds like he didn't quite get it all out on "Another Day In Paradise." On the other hand, "Way of the World" sounds like Phil said something like, "We need to write a song that shows that we Care about Mother Earth. Tony, will you *please* write some semi- decent lyrics for this one?" There seems to be a lot of recycling of themes, albeit from different perspectives. As I already mentioned, "Tell Me Why" is a Song That Cares. "No Son of Mine," the first single, is just a wee bit too reminiscent of "The Living Years." "Driving the Last Spike" calls to mind "Deep in the Motherlode. "Jesus He Knows Me" (possible 2nd single? It's a great song) reminds me a bit of "Turn It On" (except instead of the obsessed tv-viewer, we have a televangelist). Hmmm. Interesting. Right now, "Jesus He Knows Me" is probably my favorite song on the album...and "Turn It On" is the only song on _Duke_ that I don't like--and _Duke_ is my favorite Genesis album. On the other hand, there's "Dreaming While You Sleep" which is a rather warped song about committing a hit-and-run manslaughter. I still haven't decided if the murder takes place in 'reality' or in a dream that the main character is having. Despite the length of the songs, there isn't that much room for musical experimentation--the lyrics are long too. There are some wonderful moments, to be sure. I looked up from my computer when I first heard "Living Forever"-- the instrumental portion toward the end reminded me incredibly strongly of the mid-70's period after Gabriel left, but while Hackett was still playing along. In 1980-ish, Phil Collins showed up to play drums for Peter Gabriel's solo albums. Gabriel decided that *somebody* had to do *something* over a situation that was getting out of hands, and told Phil that he couldn't use any cymbals. In fact, there are no cymbals on PGIII at all. I'm not sure who gets the blame, but *somebody* shouldn't have given Phil his cymbals back. Despite that, the drums on _We Can't Dance_ are quite good-- some of Phil's best drumming in God-knows-how-long. Lots of real drums this time around; he seems to have left behind the electronic drums of _Invisible Touch_. Oh well. I'd best go write some "real" e-mail before I head off to bed. I hope that only those of you with a Genesis interest have actually read this far! Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Nov 91 20:39 CST From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: E-mail for Klaus (sorry, but it bounced) Klaus, Kevin says OK, go for it. Other Ectophiles will hear about this soon. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Nov 91 20:26 CST From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Welcome and pop quizzes and such Vickie here. Welcome to Alan from Boston/Montreal/Zimbabwe way! I wonder if Toni Child's song "Zimbabwe" (an incredible song!) ever hit the charts there. OH POOH!!! Once again, I misspelled Dan Segel-with-two-e's name. Sorry Dan! Dan SegEl Dan SegEl Dan SegEl Dan SegEl Dan SegEl Dan SegEl Dan SegEl By george, I think(hope) I have it! Doug admits to being a 60s Top 40 weenie too! Glad I'm not the only one... As for the pop quiz... > Can you name their hit? Most of them hit Number One! Frigid Pink.........House of the Rising Sun (cool psychedelic cover version) Zager and Evans.....In the Year 2525 (first #1 SF song?) The Jaggerz.........The Rapper (Hammer should cover this one) Edison Lighthouse...Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes (very silly) Norman Greenbaum....Spirit In The Sky (covered by Nina Hagen & Fuzzbox)) Shocking Blue.......Venus (covered, nay, destroyed by Bananarama) Sugarloaf...........? something about Mountains? Ides of March.......? Wadsworth Mansion...? The Flying Machine..? Lighthouse..........? The first 6 were easy, because I had the singles. The last 5 are familiar to me, but my brain blanks out on the song titles. I know when I hear the names, I'll go "of course!" especially the Ides of March song, which is at this moment dancing on the tip of my brain, waiting to fall into my fingertips. > Yes, I remember _Gimme Dat Ding_. Still love it! The Pipkins did > it with that rollicking piano and indescribable vocals (Did you know both > parts were done by the same person, a la Happy (1/2 :-) !?)), No I didn't know that! I love this song. Has anyone ever heard The Shaggs cover version? It's a wonderful thing! Their version is even faster than the original, though the sound quality sucks, unfortunately. Kate once said in an interview that the first record she ever bought was Napolian VI's (?) "They're coming to take me away HA HA!" and called it "one of the first rap songs" :-) :-) (she was kidding!) which was great to hear because that was one of my favorites too! Martin, our resident 75 year-old cello instructor says: > Re: Personal info database > If you're going to include birth times, you may as well include height, > weight, eye colour, hair colour and marriage status. :-) :-) > Now is that appropriate for a music-based newsgroup, or what? > 9:20am, 6'3", 77kg, chocolate, black and single. And I drive a Renault 18. > :-) First, about this birth time business. I haven't been jotting down anyone's time, so they won't appear on the birthday list. Sorry, but it's complicated enough as it is, and very few people know what time they were born anyway. Me, I don't remember :-) however, I was 3 months premature, so I never know if I should say my _actual_ birthday, or guess at when I _should_ have been born, let alone trying to figure a time. Sheesh! Uh, Martin, how can you be black when you were "the only white child raised among Aboriginals"? Caught ya! Ha Ha! So what's 77k in good old American ("aren't they *ever* going to go Metric?") pounds? While we're (sort of) on the subject, what is an English "Stone" anyway? How many pounds? CourtCat writes: > ...Piers Anthony, and a few others deserve *MY* personal kudos!!!! Happy told me the other day that a Piers Anthony book she liked was "On A Pale Horse" because of the way it dealt with death and the Grim Reaper. She said it was mind candy, but thought-provoking nontheless. Say, Court, didn't you go to the University of Tennessee? Where's that again? I ask because I think we have some new Ectophiles who go to your alma mater. Sorry to end on a somewhat wour note, but you also said... > and the FTP (her central gov type thing) makes > it MANDATORY for all to be vegetarians!! Three MEROWS for her!!!! Sorry, no merows from me. And it isn't because I'm a not a vegetarian, but just because no eating habit should be banned OR "mandatory". I have an ongoing war with those "Health Nuts" who would go far beyond just telling me what's good or bad for me and want to LEGISLATE what I can and can't eat. Love ya Court, but that gets a "grrrr" from me. "Good for me" is one thing, "For my own good" is quite another. Vickie ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! Donations above the subscription cost are welcomed - all money goes to bringing you better issues! Your "humble pseudo-moderator" -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)