5-Nov-91 20:31:49-GMT,38243;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20907; Tue, 5 Nov 91 14:58:18 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12273; Tue, 5 Nov 91 14:58:15 EST Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 14:58:15 EST Message-Id: <9111051958.AA12273@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #23 ecto, Number 23 Tuesday, 5 November 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* new user Happy the 10th muse!! welcome Today's your birthday friend...(here in Chicago, anyway!) bits & bytes my 2nd Jane Siberry CD 4AD Hey Klaus! Fuzzy black :-< science fiction and boston... fuzzy black ;-} Vickie does a "Klaus" :-) Klaus - Boston driving The Stunt Man ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Nov 91 13:37:21 EST From: Caoineag Subject: new user Welcome Geoff - a fellow piscean!@ yippie fish people unite!! :) well have to run the Court cat is beeping me kiri ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Nov 91 16:19:43 CST From: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) Subject: Happy the 10th muse!! Martin writes: > To Happy. 1/11/91 > [poem deleted] Great poem, Martin!! The following is not really "To Happy" but I wrote it as I listened to "Feed the fire" over and over in repeat mode as is my wont. A novice yes, so please be kind to my mistakes!! :) --- As we hear the muted cries of angels Trapped in these cages clothed in shame Is it for this that we gave it all While indistinct remembrances Of what could have been come taunting At our door that we may grasp half heartedly At fleeting glimpses of hypothetical tomorrows As cold reality stalks our dreams We seek comfort under the cozy shroud of destiny For fear laps hungry at our shores And we cast much in sacrifice To keep the beast at bay. But as many rue what could have been The quietened angels stir anew The frozen dreams that come alive In a stampede we hear the rumble In our minds the incipient fury Of infant pride as it defies The stifling sea and raises high its head That we may feed its fire The full orb of placidity. - Vish PS: Thanks for the Yma Sumac, Vickie, she's incredible! Love the intro seague!! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Nov 91 17:50:55 EST From: jessica Subject: welcome Welcome to Kent Wooldridge! Kent, feel free to tell us your birthday if you'd like (it's a long story :) and what sign you'd like to be considered as.. Enjoy! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Nov 91 18:45 CST From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Subject: Today's your birthday friend...(here in Chicago, anyway!) Ooops! I wasn't thinking about the time difference and international date lines and such things global, so by the time this appears in Ecto, it will be the 5th in Australia. Sorry Katie, it *is* still the 4th here in Chicago, so I really didn't forget about you! iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii *********************** ********** HAPPY ********** *********** BIRTHDAY ********** ************* Katie ************* *******************!******************* -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * New or changes made since last list Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 3 1967 Capricorn Greg Bossert Tue January 9 1962 OfTheTimes Stephen Thomas Fri February 4 1966 Aquarius Gene Sady Tue February 7 1956 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin John Baker Tue March 24 1964 Berkeley Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Widder Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Aries Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy * Angelos Kyrlidis Fri April 22 1966 Taurus Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 Taurus Mark Semich Thu May 6 1965 Yield Joe Dembski Wed May 7 1952 Rumple Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Taurus Michele Young Thu May 21 1970 Taurmini Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini David Lubkin June 20 1958 OurLady * Courtney Dallas Fri July 9 1971 Cancer Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer Tom Johnson Mon July 25 1966 Leo Rob Woiccak (woj) Sun July 28 1968 Leo John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Mark Carroll Fri July 29 1966 Hacker Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 Leo Happy Rhodes Mon August 9 1965 Leo Vickie Mapes Wed August 15 1956 Giddy Martin Dougiamas Wed August 20 1969 Leo Dan Segel Tue August 31 1965 Virgo Meredith Tarr Wed September 1 1971 Virgo David Blank-Edelman Sat September 9 1967 Neon * Chris Williams Tue September 20 1960 Neon 3-D Computer-generated Jorn Barger ? ? 1953 Neon Dan Riley Sun October 8 1961 Libra Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Jessica Dembski Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Katie Dougiamas Mon November 4 1974 Scorpio Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 5 1968 Sagittarius Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Vickie ======================================================================== Subject: bits & bytes Date: Tue, 05 Nov 91 09:58:50 N From: Klaus Kluge Alright, I'm back, read the accumulated messages and ready to answer. To make it simpler for me I've switched to the digest now. It means that I won't respond to Ecto-messages on the fly, but I hopefully get more work done. The result is that you will find less but bigger messages from me as I will prepare them at home. That might also result in less errors. Vickie subjected: > Subject: Got a fuzzy blue "Vickie" here.. I'm wondering: what is fuzzy blue about a "Vickie (TM)"? ... and noted: > Happy Birthday Jessica, none of us would be here without you. Wouldn't that make Jessica the EctoMa? :) ... driving in Boston In a german book about Boston I read about it's reputation among american drivers. They also said that european drivers would find it familiar and should have no problems. But as long as we stay in town we won't need a car. Maybe we'll rent one for longer trips. still Vickie: > ... and while we were in New > Haampshaar we stayed in a lovely country inn, with separate cabins complete > with comfy, cosy beds with about a million pillows and hand-made quilts > and fireplaces in the rooms and a real home-cooked country breakfast made > by the lady who owned the place. Yummy! Can't remember the name of the > place though :-( or even where it was at :-( but I'd know it if I saw it > so come to Chicago first, pick us up and we'll show you. Sounds great! Sure, we will pick you up when going from Boston to New Hampshire as Chicago is nearly en route. :) :) > this. One of the songs Sue added was a track from an album called > FM Einheit's _Stein_, and the song is called "Educacao" with Katharina > Franck on vocals. For those unfamiliar with Katharina, she sings lead Never heard of them. That's what I wanted to say. But I had a look into a "Musik Express, Sounds" (9/91, p.28) on the table, and surprise, surprise, there are some lines about them (in an advertisement). They say (do you want to practice your german again, or should I do the translation? :) OK, I'll try): FM Einheit is drummer and keyboarder [the text says "Schlagwerker" and "Elektroniker" but d.&.k. should be what they mean] of EINSTUeRZENDE NEUBAUTEN, as well as founding member of Abwaerts, and busy with some more bands and projects. "STEIN" is the title of his first solo album, which was created with the help of Blixa Bargeld, Katharina Franck und Caspar Broetzmann (to name a few). FM EINHEIT's work as a theatre musician is considered to be directive in this country. He has collaborated with many renowned stage directors in Germanys main theatres. According to ZEITmagazin he is using the following instruments: "besides cello and bass, printing machines, brooms and stones of course." BTW, it's just "Rainbirds", not "The Rainbirds". Although "The Rainbirds" is much better than "The Rainbows". :) Martin, thanks for the timing of the HR-tapes. They are a great addition to my database. Angelos, > May Alice arise on your doorsteps tonight. (Even though I never quite got why > you Americans celebrate Halloween...in Greece we dress up in costumes and > party 6 weeks before Easter.) Similar here, no Halloween, but Karneval (or Fasching) in February, which is costumes & fun, and no tricks (although I don't like it). our friendly weatherman Doug wrote: > However, the field is no longer full of galactic empires, bug-eyed monsters, > space operas, and hack writing. It is no longer the domain of repressed > adolescents, single-handedly saving the world with clever technological > solutions. It is not the eye-blowing special effects and simple moralism of > today's sf movies and television shows (with a few, way too few, exceptions). You know what to look for, but the crap is still there. Considering the volume of it's advertising other people might think that L.Ron Hubbard's is one of the best sf writers. > Today, sf is flourishing. Unfortunately this is not true for Germany. Sales are going down and the publishers have to cut the number new releases or give it up completely. Although I can't complain as I hardly ever buy their books. I prefer the original versions. :) > In fact, Mary Shelley is generally credited with the first > sf novel, _Frankenstein_ (though I don't think that's its exact title). and Jeff added > a) The subtitle to _Frankenstein_ is "A Modern Day Prometheus" (hmmm...I > didn't screw that up, did I? which is nearly correct: "Frankenstein (or, the Modern Prometheus)" (1st published 1818). > Yet sf has rarely been expressed outside of writing. Oh, many, many sf movies > have been filmed, but very, very few would be considered quality sf, and even sigh GREAT JOB DOUG !!! I like your sf article a lot ! Jeff mentioned: > b) You mention Elton John as a one-shot sf musician. I would like to take > this opportunity to say that IMO it's the greatest sf song ever written. Mine is Bowie's "Space Oddity". Time for my quote and your responses. When writing it, it didn't cross my mind that I might have to translate it myself, although I was surprise about the many responses. But I was lucky, I can simply refer to Meredith's translation (well done! but not such a big surprise :). As I'm not a professional translater (as you have noticed) I can't give the definite translation. I would have chosen some other words, because of my limited vocabulary, but what I was trying to say has been translated correctly by Meredith and Mitch. I'm only refering to Meredith's translation because I like her choice of words slightly better. We all know that the price in the 'most humourous translation' category goes to 'fooooooooooooooooooooooot (ah)' (tm). Unfortunately there are no prices, except for a pat on the back. Greg, you can get yours in december, when I'm in Boston. :) Thanks Mitch, for mentioning the 'laundry list'. I was already wondering what the english equivalent for 'Waschzettel' is, and my Langenscheidts was no help. I was meaning 'unrealized creativity', but it was refering to the listener. Aren't you surprised what has and will be done in this list? Although Happy surely didn't publish _Warpaint_ with the intention to animate us into doing fanzines, new mixes, paintings, quotes, .... it definitely had that effect. When I think about it I'm really surprised to see what I'm doing here. :) Hell, it's past one in the morning and I'm still typing. Don't I deserve some sleep? Mmmh, probably not. Chip: > I guess I'll have to bring a German dictionary to work to put in my desk for > the next test Klaus gives us! You're joking!?! Martin: > out to mean something like "Tie the frog elbow left by the tower wurst." > (My mother is German, and that's what she said.) Which part of Germany was that? I've never heard of that dialect. :) Steve: > surprise, German. I looked up all the words in the dictionary > and still couldn't make it out; I'm rather weak on German Yeah, it was not intended to be simple. Steve again: > articles go with which noun genders). The German native was > especially confused, but I was trying to show it to her in my Mmmh, has my German suffered from this mailing list already. The natives don't understand it but the Americans do? :) here's Vickie again: > net until next Monday. I assume, since Claudia is leaving for > Boston on Sunday, he just took a few days off to spend with >her. That's so sweet. Anyway, we won't know the correct translation Sorry to destroy your illusions. :) I just took one day off and was in Dortmund while Claudia was in Wuppertal. BTW, I've received her first e-mail message this evening. :-) :-) :-) Come on Klaus. Go and get some sleep. You can't be jetlagged just from buying the ticket. Gute Nacht. _________________________________________________________ . * | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | _ . * .* . | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | (_) . . | --- Happy Rhodes --- | . . o | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge kkluge@Materna.DE | <== ======================================================================== Subject: my 2nd Jane Siberry CD Date: Tue, 05 Nov 91 12:46:47 N From: Klaus Kluge Last month I produced a big hole in my wallet, which resulted in an explosion in my CD shelf. Oh my, I got 18 CD's which is more than I bought the whole last year. I have to slow down a bit or my bank account will write red numbers. :( On my last visit to a record store I had an unexpected surprise. On the rack with bargains I saw "e siberry", which turned out to be "bound by the beauty". I had already given up looking for her records in Germany. The first 3 letters of her first name were covered by which looked very much like japanese to me. As the price was excellent (just 20 Mark, which is about $12-$13) I did not hesitate to take it with me. It is an american pressing of the CD, complete with a very beautiful booklet. Additionally there was a page with all the lyrics in japanese and some more information where I can't even guess what it is. It looks very nice though. Her name and the titles are written in english as well, so I'm sure that it is for the albums and not something completely different. If there's a big JS fan & collector who would like to get that page, let me know. I have no use for it. (I'll keep the CD though :) You might remember that this is my 2nd JS album (after 'The Speckless Sky'), and that I had some problems with the first one. But with some encouragement from this group I managed to listen to it some more times and enjoyed it more with each listen. So I know her music quite well now and had no problems at all with the new one. Haven't come to pick favourites by now. Maybe I'll write more about it later. Which reminds me that I have to write something about Kevin's "7", which has been running in the car for about a week now. Again, later ... BTW, I've seen 4AD mentioned. Could someone tell me what you are talking about? Thanks. ___________________________________________________________________________ ... but mama, that's where the fun is! - Klaus Kluge, kkluge@Materna.DE ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 10:38:03 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: 4AD Klaus, the soon-to-be-trans-atlantic vagabond, wonders: > BTW, I've seen 4AD mentioned. Could someone tell me what you are > talking about? Thanks. there are those better qualified than myself to answer this question, but since i'm just sitting here, with nothing to do 'cept *work*, i'll give it a try... 4AD is a UK record label, with much more of a personality than most. some major characteristics of 4AD are: - lush, dizzy, reverb-drenched mixes (not really all that true anymore, but the reputation is there...) a good example of the classic 4AD sound is the Cocteau Twins "Treasure". - a tendency to recognize great groups before anyone else (sadly, some of these groups get stolen away once they become well known...) best (and most embarassing for us americans) example of this is Throwing Muses, an amazing Boston group whose first album is *still* only available on import... - brilliant, astounding covers by a group (person?) called 23 envelope -- they also produce posters, postcard sets, etc. for 4AD artists. the artwork is mostly photography, though there is some mixed media stuff reminiscent of Russell Mills. hmm, maybe someone out there knows more about these people? the guiding force behind 4AD is owner Ivo, but credit should also be given to the amazing John Fryer, who is sort of the house producer... Mr. Fryer is one of my favorite producers -- listen how he manages to pull gentle layers and textures out of the din on some of the Nine Inch Nails tracks! Ivo and Fryer together are the mainstays of the 4AD house band: This Mortal Coil. TMC albums are long and sometimes confusing -- they feature covers of unlikely songs by unlikely artists (Alex Chilton?!) mixed with original passages and bits. (one of my favorite covers of all time is on TMC "Filigree and Shadow", of Talking Head's _Drugs_) Other notable 4AD groups: (some now departed) Cocteau Twins Throwing Muses Dead Can Dance Colorbox (sp?) Lush ack, i know there's lots more, but i'm blanking... some rare and early singles from Bauhaus and others, as well... well, others can fill out this list... point is, you almost can't go wrong buying an album released by 4AD. which is good, 'cuz they are $22 a shot over here! there is an active 4AD mailing list, of which i know almost nothing -- *any* *day* *now* i'm gonna join, no really. hmm, well, i'll go study up my german. auf wiedertypen! f'tohoa! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "... das die Zuhoerer zu ungeahnter Kreativitaet ... fuehren kann ..." ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 06:01 CST From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Hey Klaus! Welcome back! I just got on to post and there you were. Ok, go ahead and destroy my illusions! :-) btw, what's Claudia's e-mail address? Post it in Ecto and we'll deluge her with a bunch of "Welcome to America!" messages, right everybody? Ask Martin what "Fuzzy Blue" means. He called Ecto the "fuzzy blue mailing list" and I stole it from him. I haven't the faintest myself. As usual, I'll read your post more thoroughly when I delog, so, see you later... Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 05:57 CST From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Fuzzy black :-< Ohh, I did think of one more thing. I'm *not* going to get into a flame war with Richard Caldwell over his snide remarks about Happy and Jane in gaffa the other day. It's not worth it. In case anyone's wondering why I haven't come back at him, I just figure that, those who agree will agree and there's nothing I can say to change their minds, those who disagree will have already filed his post under nev/dull :-) and those who have no opinion one way or the other (newbies) will not be helped in their decision by a flame war. Like Steve V, I couldn't help but respond a bit, but I was responding to *Steve's* post, not Richard's. I can only be pushed so far though.... 1......2......3......4......5......6......7......8......9......10...... Vickie ps, I didn't even respond in e-mail. I'm so proud of myself :-) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 11:04:33 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: science fiction and boston... heh, the boston glob (the main local paper) has taken to calling my home town "Cambridge: The Forbidden Planet", so the subject really does make sense... ;) Klaus says: > ... driving in Boston > In a german book about Boston I read about it's reputation among american > drivers. They also said that european drivers would find it familiar and > should have no problems. But as long as we stay in town we won't need > a car. Maybe we'll rent one for longer trips. indeed, it should be familiar to any european... who regularly hits themselves over the head with a brick! the only experience i have had that comes close to driving in boston is driving in lisbon or maybe rome. by far, the safest driving technique in boston is walking. we *do* have a pretty good rapid transit system (the "T", or subway, and various buses), and it's a tiny city, really -- great for walking or biking... (though it gets cold in December!!!) various people conspire to say (i think this was Doug's originally): > In fact, Mary Shelley is generally credited with the first > sf novel, _Frankenstein_ (though I don't think that's its exact title). hmmm, Ms. Shelley is so credited, and a very fine novel it is. note that the tradition of fantastic tales is as old as the art of storytelling... while it's not a novel in the modern sense, it is my never-so-humble opinion that the Odyssey is the major, genre defining work -- even the worst sf has at its heart that journey into the unknown in search of understanding -- and that's most definitely a quality i find in Happy's work (though Happy's unknown is a lot scarier than open space...) hmm, here are some of my favorite sf authors -- note that some of this stuff is *not* for the easily offended: C.J. Cherryh Jo Clayton Samuel R. Delany Roger Zelazny Ray Bradbury Harlan Ellison Ursula K. Le Guin plus William "Cyberpunk" Gibson, Steve Brust, Pamela Dean, Emma Bull, and a bunch i'm blanking on -- sheesh, my brain... footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "ashes to ashes, funk to funky, we know major tom's a junky, strung out in heavens high, reaching an all time low" -- Bowie ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 11:16:47 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: fuzzy black ;-} heh, Vickie reminds me of a quote from Mark Twain: "When angry, count to ten. When very angry, swear." and when all else fails, curl up in ecto's fuzzy blue :) footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "we were drawn to the rhythm of the sea" -- SM ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 05:55 CST From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Vickie does a "Klaus" :-) Vickie here. "Vickie" here. :-) Welcome to Ecto, Kent Wooldridge! Good to have you. Please feel free to post your Happy story, if you feel like it. Are you a gaffa lurker? Geoff, you're on the Birthday list now. What year were you born? Klaus will give me the day and I'll tell you what it is. Laura, thanks for the account about Happy's signing your cousin's tapes. Let us know what her reaction is! Jeanne, Martin and Vishal, I've read very little poetry and I don't ever feel qualified to talk about it, but I appreciate what you've posted. Vishal, you're welcome! Glad you like Yma (and the Yma/Lene segue). David Lubkin, you're a Friday person, along with: 04.02.1966 Fri Stephen Thomas 13.03.1970 Fri kIrI Hargie 10.04.1953 Fri Art Liestman 22.04.1966 Fri Angelos Kyrlidis 09.07.1971 Fri Courtney Dallas 21.11.1952 Fri Kevin Bartlett 27.11.1964 Fri Justin Bur 29.07.1966 Fri Mark Carroll 20.06.1958 Fri David Lubkin Doug writes: >> October has ended, putting another month of Ecto: the Mailing List into my >> files. I save each month of posts in a single file, and October's takes >> up 770KB, compared with 287KB in September. Who was it who claimed that >> this list would die out quickly? Give them the prediction of the year >> award! HA! I looked through my Gaffa Happytalk files last night and found a bunch. Here's one: > 2) The Happy traffic as it stands is _not_ enough for it's own list, > IMOSVHO. The traffic should slope down to a normal level for musical > artists in love-hounds/gaffa. It has already. > I think if the discussion is dropped there won't be any more fur being > rubbed the wrong way. The Happy discussion should equalize. Can anyone > honestly say that the Happy traffic in the future will be in enough bulk > to justify a mailing list? From what I can tell... > UnHappy UnMusical, myself. Made no sense then, makes even less sense now that the above has been proven totally false. Ecto (for me) has become much more than a "Happy Rhodes mailing list" and I view it in a very special way. It's a refuge, it's a comfort, it's a bond with you people that will last the rest of my life, and much much more. If that's a "silly" way to look at a "mere" mailing list, then so be it. I didn't make my Sign *Giddy* for nothing! :-) I'm giddy with Happyness that you all have discovered her too, and are writing such wonderful articles to Ecto. Stephen, I haven't talked to Happy in well over a week (I called a couple of times and got the answering machine) but when I connect, I'll pass along your extremely fascinating post (thank you for it) and see what Happy says. Ditto the San Franciso deal and Doug's wonderful Happy/SF article. Speaking of....YOW! That was great Doug! I can't wait to read it to Happy. We had a bit of a talk about the SF in her work a couple of months ago. Nothing as in-depth though, the topic we were discussing was "filk-singing" which I'd never heard of until I attended the World Science Fiction Convention (ChiconV) here in the windy city. Once I had the concept down, I started talking about it to other people who were there. The "official" definition listed in the Program Book is "a musical genre with a science fiction and fantasy bent" and immediately I thought of Happy! But when I discussed "filking" with people at the convention, I was told that, no, what you do is take a well-known song's music, then add original lyrics that have a sf/fantasy/horror theme. But...but...but...what about original songs? No, that's not what filking is all about, I was told. One guy said that he agreed with me, that there should be no reason why original songs can't be considered "filk songs" but that it was impossible to buck the system. Huh? I thought that was what SF was all about! Well, it kind of pissed me off, so I stayed away from the filksinging areas. Martin, you mentioned dropping a Happy thread into rec.arts.sf-lovers. Is filksinging ever discussed in there? Maybe this would be a good (though controversial) way to get Happy's name out to other sf lovers. :-) Doug, you could re-edit your article (which, Jessicaaaaa, should be in the next issue of the zine) to post there once the thread gets started. Doug, you mentioned a 25-page tome on sf in music. Who puts together that list, and how can we get Happy listed? Chris is the real sf-lover in the family, he's been reading it since he was a young lad, but he's not really into Happy. :-( I've read (and loved) quite a bit of sf through the years, but my literary tastes tend to run toward (auto)biographies and non-fiction. My favorite sf book is still a collection of short stories by Cordwainer Smith. I haven't read it in years (I lent it out and never got it back. Then we moved :-( ) and I can't remember the title of the very first story, which goes along with the discussion of the "working Joe" in space. Anyone know? All kinds of titles from the book (which all tie together) come to mind, but not that one. Others include "Golden the Ship Was. Oh! Oh! Oh!" and "The Ballad of Lost C'Mell" and "Mother Hitton's Littul Kittens" (not sure about that one, the spelling was weird in the original story), do those ring a bell with anyone who might have that collection of short stories? Other sf books I especially liked include _Rendevous With Rama_, _The Mote In God's Eye_, Mike Weaver's books and the _Riverworld_ series by Jose Phillip Farmer. Two that I loved as a kid are _A Fall of Moondust_ and _The Door Into Summer_. I almost always enjoy Harlan Ellison, but I haven't read very much of his work. I haven't read any female sf writers other than Mary Shelley and Ursula K. Le Guin. Shame on me, I know. I wish I'd been more familiar with sf at ChiconV. If I'd had the money, I probably could have spent tons on books in the dealer's room. My favorite film of all time is _Brazil_ but I don't think I've ever even seen _Forbidden Planet_. Doug, though I have slight disagreements about certain songs you picked as examples ("Rhodes Waltz" "Friend You'll Be" ???) it was an *outstanding* article and you should be very proud of it. GoodGoodGood!!!! Oh yeah, before I forget, you said: > * I once posted in public (on .gaffa) that Happy's synthesizer arrangements > were simple and old-hat. Can anyone dig through the .gaffa archives and > edit that statement out. The author should be publicly flogged! No need for that, this is what you said: > I just can't see how the bright light of Happy Rhodes' talent has > stayed hidden under a bushel over the last five years. Her voice is just > gorgeous, her singing expressive and of high quality. The musical > background of guitar or synthesizers are straightforward, allowing her > voice to occupy center stage. See, now that wasn't so bad, was it? I loved your article so much I put it (at the time) into a separate file along with Kiri, Jeff Abbott, Lee Houndshell, Albert Philipsen, Tom Johnson, Jessica and other's original posts. The file is separate from all the other Happytalk on gaffa and I call it "First Reactions." I had all those posts _memorized_! Seriously! btw, I fully agree with you about "INAINA" in that it's a song that will creep up on you and reveal itself only after multiple plays. Well, that's the way most of Happy's music is. Kate, Jane, Peter Gabriel, all the very best music does that. It's a wonderful thing! Geoff, thanks for your post, You mentioned recent purchases: > bel canto (the first one-whose name has escaped me) _White-Out Conditions_, my favorite by them. Woj and Brian like the second one better. > blackgirls "procedure" (whats the new one like?) The second (_Happy_) is GREAT! You will like it, trust me. > dead can dance "the serpent's egg" > gabriel, peter "passion" > innocence mission > mouth music > this mortal coil Ya! Ya! Ya! Good deal! I haven't heard the other ones on your list yet. > and of course > rhodes, happy "warpaint" Welcome to Ecto Geoff! > I haven't got her tapes yet but plan to give a friend of mine the > complete collection for Christmas. Do you think Happy would autograph > it if I asked? Absolutely! Uh, you are going to get yourself copies right? :-) These _will_ be collector's items one (very fine) day. > it's nice to find a group with similar tastes, yet I am suprised at > the fact that it can extend so easily to other mediums. I remember when > the usual desert island question came up in gaffa vickie included films, > among which she included The Stunt Man, an all time favorite of mine > that many people have never heard of. COOL! You're right, very few people have ever heard of it. We own a copy of it and just love to show it to people who've never seen it. Has anyone else on Ecto seen this film? I think that's it for now, though I'll think of things after this is posted, I know it. Ayll be beck! Once more, welcome Kent! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 09:29:14 PST From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Vickie does a "Klaus" :-) Vickie, you were reading _The Best of Cordwainer Smith_ and the first story is "Scanners Live in Vain". Cordwainer Smith is another of my favorites; he only published enough material to fill four paperbacks, of which one is a novel. Smith has his own lyrical quality, distinct from Gene Wolfe but equally brilliant. Smith's real name was Paul Myron Anthony Linebarger, who grew up in pre-Communist China and later had a career of distinction in the U.S. State Department. He has also written a definitive text called _Psychological Warfare_. Very highly recommended, and you should still be able to find his material in paperback if you look hard or have a really good bookstore (like Portland, OR's Powell's) in your area. Also look for: _Norstrilia_ (his only novel-length SF) _The Instrumentality of Mankind_ (more short stories) _Quest for the Three Worlds_ (four related novelette-length works) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 12:42:33 EST From: Laura Clifford Subject: Klaus - Boston driving ======================================================================== From: Klaus:! >... driving in Boston >In a german book about Boston I read about it's reputation among american >drivers. They also said that european drivers would find it familiar and >should have no problems. But as long as we stay in town we won't need >a car. Maybe we'll rent one for longer trips. Klaus, I wouldn't buy this. I've found that German drivers follow the rules of the road. If you assume Bostonians will do the same, you may have an accident! Simply put - expect the unexpected, no matter how harebrained! Laura ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 12:53:25 EST From: Laura Clifford Subject: The Stunt Man Vickie's post: >> it's nice to find a group with similar tastes, yet I am suprised at >> the fact that it can extend so easily to other mediums. I remember when >> the usual desert island question came up in gaffa vickie included films, >> among which she included The Stunt Man, an all time favorite of mine >> that many people have never heard of. > >COOL! You're right, very few people have ever heard of it. We own a copy of >it and just love to show it to people who've never seen it. Has anyone else >on Ecto seen this film? Count another 'Ectoian' who's got 'The Stunt Man' in her video collection.....good film but it wouldn't make my top 10 (or 20...) I do KNOW someone who claims it as his favorite film, however, and he's a print film critic... Laura ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1991 12:51:31 -0600 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: Fuzzy black :-< It's getting to be a pretty common occurance that we congratulate Vickie (Or is that 'Vicks' or 'Miss Vickie' now?) for not getting into a flame war. I wonder if this is a sign or something. What we need is IED back to be our 'Flame-wielding bouncer' on .gaffa again and let our dear Vickie take a break. 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