Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #589 ecto, Number 589 Wednesday, 26 May 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* vivaldi, stravinsky, harvey, giants, bob lovejoy, duct tape Re: sheela-na-gig Re: Take four Re: Vivaldi Re: Mr. Harris HaPpY Birthday Hello Ecto Re: Cyndi Lauper in Boston (was New York City :-) Some stuff...... Re: vivaldi, stravinsky, harvey, giants, bob lovejoy, duct tape more stuffs sinead's article in Guardian ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 26 May 93 00:46:11 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: vivaldi, stravinsky, harvey, giants, bob lovejoy, duct tape hi all, i went clothes shopping today and picked up pj harvey's _dry_ and bel canto's _birds of passage_. of course, when i got home there was no electricity (our electrical system is seriously $@#@ed), so its midnight or so now and i'm finally able to see in my room, use my computer, and listen to the music!!! i've gotten thru about half of the pj harvey, and it is wonderful. she seems to have picked up the torch that patti smith lit way back when. very exciting. haven't heard the bel canto yet. i also got a frog earring. :) (anyone remember the line about frogs in the book _the color purple_?) it should be known that bob lovejoy attracts strange syncronicitous events; i picked up a copy of pulse! magazine when i bought my cds, then visited bob and traded tapes. he gave me a tape of gentle giant's _in a glass house_, and when i opened up my pulse magazine, lo! and behold!: there was something written about gentle giant. the first line of the article is "Let's start with a given: Gentle Giant is massively uncool." then it goes on to praise _in a glass house_ up and down, while simultaneously apologizing that you can't dance to it. point of this is: if you have never heard gentle giant, go out and hear them now. if you've heard them and have some old vinyl lps that you haven't pulled out for ages, do it now. i did that about a month ago, and was really amazed that i'd forgotten so much about how wonderful they are (were?). oh, incidentally, i think that vivaldi's "four seasons" is perhaps the most insipid of dentist's office muzak that has been produced in that genre. i mean, its better than sappy string medleys of beatles songs, but still.... but then again, my favorite is stravinsky's "rite of spring". oh, just out of curiousity, has anyone out there heard any of the jazz music that stravinsky wrote (he wrote a number of ragtime sorta things--very strange, kinda like scott joplin with three fingers cut off and his right leg duct taped to his nose, after syd barrett scribbled all over the sheet music). well, its off to the dreaming for this brni. toodle-oo brni mojzes@monet.vill.edu ps. bel canto is quite marvelous, too. :) thank y'all for the recommendations. ****************************************************************************** Oh, I'd love that. | And on his dying bed I am sleepless nights | I'd be a mineral deposit, | the dirty angels I am actors in dreams | a ball of mica | flying over him like I am concience. | inside a rock. | buzzards asked him Karen Finley | Then there'd be no whistles | Do you confess? no radios, | Do you confess? no screams. | Diamanda Galas ****************************************************************************** WE DON'T WANNA GROW YOUR STINKING BANANAS ANYMORE! ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 25 May 93 23:49:46 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: sheela-na-gig >DATE: 17 May 1993 10:06:37 -0400 (EDT) >FROM: she listens like her head's on fire.. > >The postmaster here is a bit iffy today so I will see if this gets sent >to ecto... > >>hmmmmm. > >>you know, months and months and months ago i heard a song on >>wxpn (of course while i was waiting on a customer), and i caught >>the words "sounds sort of like a mixture of tori amos and patti >>smith" and "sheelanagig" from the dj. so i went to tower records >>and looked up Nagig, Sheela, to no avail, then Nogig, Nugig, Mugig, >>etc etc etc. then i looked it up as Sheelanagig, but couldn't >>find it either. so i figured that maybe it was the song name, not >>the artist, and i called wxpn, but they were clueless. > >>so, uh, who *is* the artist? >>i *need* to own that album. > >The artist is P.J. Harvey (or rather, Polly Harvey. I think the band >is called P.J. Harvey so you might have to look under "p") The song >sheela-na-gig can be found on her album "Dry". Pretty good stuff. > >>brni > >Quenby > Sorry, I have to dispute that....Outstanding stuff!!! Extremely powerful, driving, but has a nice sound...Just like Siouxie and the Banshees before they sold out (back in 1979 or so). Dennis Parslow I saw you from the cathedral Troy, NY 12180 Well, I'm an ancient heart p00421@psilink.com Tanita Tikaram ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 26 May 93 02:07:49 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: Take four >DATE: Tue, 25 May 93 14:12:10 EDT >FROM: heath@blaze.cs.jhu.edu > >"Dennis G Parslow" writes: > >>Actually, the same guy introduced me to both Suzanne Vega and Kate >>Bush! He was a >equal expletive employer her>, but I always forgave him for that reason. > >??? What are you talking about? > >-dave The previous lines were an explanation of how someone was introduced to Suzanne Vega...this was mine. The rest seems self explanatory. Dennis Parslow I saw you from the cathedral Troy, NY 12180 Well, I'm an ancient heart p00421@psilink.com Tanita Tikaram ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Vivaldi Date: Wed, 26 May 93 13:15:48 BST On Tue, 25 May 93 at 15:56:56 EDT kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) wrote: > Yngve wrote: > > >Let's stop somewhat by the music of Vivaldi...You can say much about > >Nigel Kennedy but he know how to make music become new again. I bought > >his recording of The Four Seasons and the only thing I can say about > >it is go listen to it...It's so very wonderful done. > > I quite strongly disagree. Nigel Kennedy's interpretation of The Four > Seasons, and most everything else he's done recently that I've heard, > is simply awful. I'm surprised that a violinist or classical musician > could possibly like it. He covers the music with lots of > embelishments and technical showing off, which simply doesn't fit in > with the piece, but has no feeling for the soul of the music > whatsoever. A good violinist plays with feeling, and his technical > ability is used to express the emotions of a piece, not as an end in > themselves. Count me as another non-fan of "Nige". Or ex-fan rather. IMO he is a supremely talented musician who has made some outstanding records which are set to become benchmarks against which future recordings will be measured (I'm thinking in particular of his Elgar which must be counted the definitive modern recording). I have about half a dozen of his recordings and I think they are all excellent. I have also seen him play live (the Sibelius) and been astonished at the quality of his playing and the depth of his interpretation. However none of this would I apply to his "Four Seasons" nor to the Brahms and Beethoven recordings he's made recently with the LPO under Tenstedt. It seems to me that he has become carried away with his image as as unconventional artist to the extent where it is now seriously damaging the quality of his playing. The sudden change of accent (he comes from a moderately well to do family and was well spoken in the early years of his career), the garish clothes (although I do find them very distracting when trying to listen to the music), and the anti- establishment rhetoric I could live with, coming from someone of such musical genius. Even supporting Aston Villa is no great sin (a sign of a weak mind perhaps :-) but no great sin). But when the music is sacrificed it's time for me to say thanks, Nige, but no thanks. To some extent I was prepared to accept his "Four Seasons" as an interpretation for a pop audience (after all who would begrudge him the income from a huge selling record, even if he had to lurch massively downmarket to achieve the sales) but unfortunately he went on to subject all the music he played to the same "treatment". I'm glad he's now announced that he's given up playing "music by dead guys" and has withdrawn from the established concert scene. It means I can ignore his current excesses while retaining the memory of the great things he has done in the past. It's very sad that such a huge talent should sucumb so completely to an unrestrained ego. Given the success which Taverner's "Protecting Veil" and the Pendereki (probably spelled wrong - sorry) symphony are enjoying there is clearly no need to "dumb-down" serious music for mass consumption. It just needs to be cleverly marketed to reach a wider audience. Getting away from the (apparently) off-putting (even intimidating) conventions of "classical" music presentation by marketing the performers as personalities, producing accompanying videos, and playing in unconventional venues is all to the good. But when you start messing with the music you're throwing out the baby with the bath water and the results have no credibility. I'm sorry to bang on so, especialy as this is not a classical music oriented list. I bit my tongue and resisted the temptation to respond through all the recommendations of Kennedy's "Four Seasons". But then Anthony popped up and hit the nail on the head (IMO) with his comments which I read during a slower than usual lunch-break. I promise I won't do it again. At least not until the next time. :-) -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: 26 May 1993 09:31:03 -0500 (EST) From: SANDOVAL@stsci.edu Subject: Re: Mr. Harris >Jeff wrote on Ecto (he really did...): > >Fine with me. We'd probably get flamed off Gaffa anyway. Hey, on that >subject, what the hell is Jorn still doing posting to r.m.g? My question is what the hell is Jorn POSTING to r.m.g? I missed out on the big flamewar awhile back (thank goodness), and I can't make heads or tails out of Jorn's posts. Not that that's a bad thing... :) John ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 26 May 93 15:29:27 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthday Here's wishing a very HAPPY birthday to Perttu Yli-Krekola on 2nd June . Sorry I'm a bit early but I'm away for a few days now and I don't like to miss anyone. Hope you have a great day. Peace, Terry ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 10:45:11 -0400 (EDT) From: susskind@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (Mark Susskind) Subject: Hello Ecto My name is Mark Susskind (Mark R. Susskind, Mr. MRS). I have been reading Ecto for several months, but the first time I was able to buy a Happy album was about two months ago, since my favorite music store didn't stock Happy, or even know who she was, much before then. I have purchased _Warpaint_ and _Equipoise_. My favorite music store also has in stock 1992 reissues of her prior albums. One thing struck me when I was looking through the Happy bin was the monster drawings on the covers of all the albums except _Warpaint_. What is the significance of these figures? When I listen to the Happy discs, I don't get the impression that these drawings are appropriate for her music, but then, I have rather a tin ear when it comes to subtleties in the music. I guess my tin ear can't do Happy justice. One thing strikes me when I listen to the Happy music is that she seems to think her lyrics are not as important as her voice, since I cannot quite make out the lyrics when she sings. Anyway, her voice is fantastic. I guess I have to listen to the Happy albums a few dozen more times to get more out of them. So far, I think that my favorite Happy song is "Runners", but I am still quite tentative on that. The only other title I can even think of without looking at the discs is "Save Our Souls". I need more practice, but my personal duties scarcely allow me to spend more time with my music collection. Catch y'later! Mark R. Susskind, Mr. MRS P.S. Since you seem to have a passion for collection birthdates, mine is June 15, 1966. I hit the big two-seven in less than three weeks; boy, I'm getting old. :-) ---- Mark Susskind susskind@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) ======================================================================== From: composer@beyond.dreams.org (Jeff Kellem) Subject: Re: Cyndi Lauper in Boston (was New York City :-) Date: Wed, 26 May 93 12:28:10 EDT Meredith wrote... > She'll be at Irving Plaza, 17 Irving Place at 15th street on Wednesday, May > 26, 1993. For more information, call them at (212) 249-8870. Cyndi Lauper will also be at The Paradise in Boston, MA on Friday, May 28th. Tickets are $15. For those interested and near the Boston area... -jeff Jeff Kellem Internet: composer@Beyond.Dreams.ORG ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 26 May 93 18:33:08 +0200 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Some stuff...... First of all As I said I'm no fan of Nigel Kennedy but I do like his recording of "The Four Seasons" (as I do like other recordings of the same piece of music like the one "Oslo Chamber Orchestra" has done with Iona Brown.) I do not intend to buy something more by NK :) And I also second my own opinion about taste and the impossibility of discussing it. We are so different from eachother in so many ways that it is not possible to say what's right and not. Some Loreena McKennit - I went to the local record-store yesterday just to look for some CDs and I almost got a shock as I found Loreena's album Parallel Dreams. I couldn't resist and bought it......My first impression is that it is as good as The Visit and I love the last one......I nearly can't wait for the rest of her albums to be released in Norway...... We got a new one on the list......I met him on Irc (I did never get his name and I get "Connection timed out" on finger) and the nick he is using is daGooch.......Welcome to the list! Take care, -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== Subject: Re: vivaldi, stravinsky, harvey, giants, bob lovejoy, duct tape Date: Wed, 26 May 93 13:24:13 -0400 From: "Dr. Dan" mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) (of the screwed up address) writes: >i went clothes shopping today and picked up pj harvey's _dry_ >and bel canto's _birds of passage_. So, how do they look? And (dare I ask) where do you wear them? (sorry, couldn't resist) (I was also going to make some comment about Stravinsky in Dentist's offices, but it was a little too tortured...) -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== Date: 26 May 1993 13:45:51 -0600 From: "Julianne Dunphy" Subject: more stuffs more stuffs Hi all! Been lurking again, we've been having monitor problems here at lab. Well, my Ingrid Karklins CD arrived and what can I say? I haven't listened to it yet, but to say that song titles like "Incredible March of the Spiny Lobsters" have piqued my interest would be an understatement. Sounds kinda like a They Might Be Giants title. heheheh So I'm moving to St. Louis in a couple months to start graduate school at Wash U. (yay!) and I was pleased to learn that there is an alternative station down there. It's no WFNX, but hey, after Champaign radio (which is dismal at best), I was in heaven! And they did play a Tasmin Archer song. Unfortunately, the only place I could find the CD (of the places I looked) wanted a small fortune for it. So I had to postpone. Anyway, there's a cool store in U City called Vintage Vinyl. No Happy, but I plan to work on them and the new station once I move! Any ectophiles in the St. Louis area??? See y'all later! Julianne P.S. I gave a Happy-mix tape to a friend who graduated and moved back home, so now there is at least one Happy recording in Hawaii!!!! Far out! (literally) ======================================================================== From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (S. A. Ezust) Date: Wed, 26 May 93 15:32:38 EDT Subject: sinead's article in Guardian Sinead O'Connor did an interview in the Manchester Weekly Guardian last week. If there is enuf demand, I'll type it in and post it here, even though I'm not such a big fan of her's.... -- | Alan Ezust depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| "Lick the carpet, dust the dog, mow the windows, shine the socks... You've got to keep things CLEAN!" - Edward Ka-Spel ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)