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                            ecto, Number 584

                           Sunday, 23 May 1993

                             Today's Topics:
                           *-----------------*
                                 oh my!
                              Re: Nigel and
                             Ellis Island...
                            I'm Back and....
                            Weekly Update...
                Re: Tower Boston and other ramblings....
                              Re: Nigel and
                              Cheers, etc.
                     attention nyc area ectophiles|
                         Champagne Jam, 5/23/93

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Subject: oh my!
Date: Sat, 22 May 93 09:23:07 -0400
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu

I just heard a *way* cool song on the radio!  I didn't pay much attention to
the DJ's lead-in, 'cept to hear that it was the "4 Piece Band" and the song
was "Be Still."

Imagine my surprise when I first head Sinead's voice.  The next voice, I
believe, belonged to Annie Lennox, though I could be wrong about that (it
was _very_ familiar, but I'm not 100% certain it was her).  I also
definitely heard Peter Gabriel's voice in the mix, as well as a definite
Gabriel touch to the bass line.

The music was your basic slow dance groove with some somewhat atmospheric
stuff thrown on top and a great pennywhistle during one section.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?!

Jeff
(late for the Baltimore Kite Festival, but I *had* to post about this!)

|Jeffrey C. Burka     | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ |
|SAFH Lite [tm]       |  I am what I am and you are you too./  Do you like  |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu |  what you see?  Do you like yourself?"  --N. Cherry |


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Subject: Re: Nigel and
Date: Sat, 22 May 93 09:11:32 -0400
From: Michael Matthews <matthews@ectds.com>

Vicki Bwrites:
>Am I the only person in the Northern hemisphere who has never seen an
>episode of "Cheers" and who didn't watch the wingding on Thursday night?

Probably.

>Bits and pieces I saw of the show through the years never piqued my
>interest. It seemed full of sexual mind games and insults. That's funny?
>No offense to Cheers fans out there, I'm sure that there was more to the
>show than that. I've never been much of a sitcom watcher. I never saw
>an episode of M*A*S*H or Mary Tyler Moore or WKRP or All in The Family
>until they were off the air and were re-run in syndication. I just

Yes, but the big question is: Do you watch Star Trek? :-) :-) :-)

[sexual mind games and insults are a significant part of Cheers, but it
is more than that, and the way it's done, no side wins, which is why I
think it's funny -- shows how stupid such things are.]

<shut up, Jeffy>

>I saw the film _Wide Sargasso Sea_, and though I'm glad I saw it in
>the theater (it's gorgeous!) I wouldn't really recommend it. The whole
>concept is interesting, just not executed well. Or, to my liking, I
>should say. It's a "prequel" to Charlotte Bronte's _Jane Eyre_ and is
>about Rochester's first wife, her childhood and how they met and married
>and how and why she went crazy. Has anyone read _Jane Eyre_ recently?
>I thought the woman's name was Grace Pool, but she's not referred by
>that name anywhere in WSS. (I'm sure it was Grace Pool, because there's

Grace Pool was the lady who took care of Rochester's first wife in Jane
Eyre.  I think; read both books my senior year of college, but that was
over a year ago and even though I have the books somewhere in my room,
they aren't indexed and I'm too lazy to go look up the names.

Oh what the hell.

Grace Poole is definitely the lucky lady who gets to take care of her,
but I couldn't find a reference to the main character's name anywhere.

[minutes pass, as Mike wonders what good an index would do if he didn't
even know what he was looking for.. but yet, he remembers a scene where
the marriage of Rochester and Jane was interrupted, and wasn't a name
mentioned there...]

AH HA!

Bertha Mason.

>Vickie
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Mike Matthews, matthews@ectds.com (NeXTmail accepted)
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Some people are born mediocre, some people achieve mediocrity, and some
people have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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From: jlueck@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Subject: Ellis Island...
Date: Sat, 22 May 93 10:57:38 CDT

In a long but interesting post vickie writes:
> downstairs couldn't understand what their parents were saying when
> they gave their names and the guy didn't even bother to ask how it's
> supposed to be spelled and because it was almost lunchtime and the
> line was still godawfully long he wrote down anything that popped into
> his head which caused numerous problems decades later when the whole
This reminds me of a story a friend told me.  There was this Jewish family
living in Germany and they were getting ready to leave for America.  They had
heard of the way the clerks at Ellis Island mutilated and totally destroyed
their names.  In an effort to thwart this problem with his family's name, the
father got some special tutoring to learn how to pronounce his name in such a
way that the clerk at Ellis Island would write down phonetically what he
heard, but would actually be writing the correct spelling of the name.

The father practiced and practiced to make sure he'd get it right.  When they
finally arrived at Ellis Island, the commotion and hustle & bustle frayed his
nerves, and when the clerk asked what his name was, he drew a blank on how
he was to pronounce his name and said "Ich Vergesse"  <German for 'I forget'
and the V is pronounce like the English F>.   The family became Ferguson before
they knew what hit them.  So, if you meet any Jewish people whose name is
Ferguson, you may now know where their name came from.

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Chip Lueck (Jeff)               work: jlueck@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu
                                play: chip-l@nwu.edu

"I want to be a lawyer, I want to be a scholar.  But I really can't be
bothered, ooh just Gimme it quick, gimme it, gimme gimme, gimme, gimme"
                                                         -Kate Bush


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Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 17:58 EST
From: I Wouldn't Buy 2000 Clocks!!!! <MIHARKI@indsvax1.indstate.edu>
Subject: I'm Back and....

...I applaud you all, between you and RDT I only got 95 messages in the 3 days
I was gone.  :)  Anyway, the trip went well, no accidents that we were in on
the way up there or back.  But the really cool stuff happened on Friday.  My
brother and I went driving around to several shops so I took this opportunity
to introduce her to a *very small* selection of the new musicians that I've
gotten into since I'd seen her last.  (this seems to happen every time that we
visit :) )  So, I played some Tori, Happy and Cocteau Twins (b/c I've been in a
CT mood lately :) )  She liked them all a lot and when we stopped in a record
shop she picked up _Little Earthquakes_ based on the 3 songs she heard and my
brother and I continually telling her how great the whole album is.  *And* when
I asked her if she wants me to send her the address for AG with some other info
(albums, prices etc...) she said yes.  Of course, I wish the trip that day
would've lasted longer, I could've gotten into some Kate, Sarah, Lush, and a
host of others, some of which I've liked for a long time but never gotten to
play for her.  :)
	While we were in the record store (called Music Theater I believe) I
noticed that they had a copy of _Rearment_ (sp?); _Ecto_ and _RhodesII_.  I
ended up getting Miranda Sex Garden's _Suspira_, I could've gotten several
others, but do not have sufficient funds to cover them at the moment, I'll have
to wait.  Not too long ago I got to listen to it.  (I have no portable cd
player so I had to wait until I got home to hear it)  From one hearing I can't
say how much I'll end up liking it, but it will be back in the player again
soon, I'm sure.  They had other MSG (not the best acronym, but what can you do?
:) )  but at this point I can't remember the spellings (remembering the 3 Happy
cdds they had and the name of the store (which I forgot twice :) ) was enough
fun.  :) )  Can someone help me out here?  And are they worth getting as well?
	Last thing (I think), does someone out there know where I can get
lyrics for Cocteau Twins albums?  I am absolutley, wonderfully, *horrendous* at
trying to figure out lyrics...always have been and probably always will be.  :(
Any help is already greatly appreciated!!!  :)

PS - when I do write to my Aunt w/the info about Happy I'll more than likely
toss in as many names as I can of other things she might like.  :)

(whose Mother gave up a long time ago trying to tell him that he buys too much
music)

Kevin
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Date: Sat, 22 May 93 17:59 EDT
From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy)
Subject: Weekly Update...

Hi Ecto!
    What a busy week it has been!  First off, I sure hope everyone to
whom I sent somethig has it by now.  That would be a World Cafe interview
tape to Doug, a magzine with an EQP review to Vickie, and a VHS of
Peter Gabriel on SNL to Chris.  Everyone OK?
    On the home front, I've put Anthony and Alan in contact with
Happy's manager, Susanne.  Anthony has some great leads for distribution
of Happy's albums in Austrailia (!), and Alan is working on Canadian
Publicity.  We'll get this woman the recognition she deserves yet!
On the Genie front, I'm trying to hook Happy's people up with a DJ from
California.  Speaking of Genie, here's a wierd little bit of Ectosynchronicity:
The wonderous Meredith Tarr and I were both logged onto the system at the
exact same time, on the exact same forum, writing about Ecto and its
place in the great scheme of things vis a vis the Internet and personal
connectivity ( I had better stop this sentence or I could find myself -
nay we could ALL find ourselves - faced with a sentence of truly Vickian
proportins, which is to say alarmingly long and meandering, laced with
distant echoes of Joyce, and somewhat difficult, if not impossible, to
follow closely without relaxing one's psyche in order to properly go
with the flow, in which case her sentence made perfect sense [although
I for one would not want to diagram it!], as long as one was properly
attuned to the reality in question and not bewildered by its sheer lenghth
and apparent multi-topic expansiveness, the likes of which I for one have
not seen anywhere since I used to attempt single sentence writing exercises
way back in college, which for me was the late sixties - a rambling,
incoherent time if ever there was one, and indeed there was, for here I
am, a living relic of those strange and lugubrious times, when events
crawled across the face of History like ticks on a dog, or perhaps more
like fleas on a cat - one can never be sure when one is dealing with
metaphors and similies, which brings us back to language, which brings us
back to sentences, which brings this particularly silly construction to
an end; thanks for your indulgence and we now return you to the post in
progress...).
     As ever, Vickie, you're an inspiration to us all!
     Finally, I hope nobody minded my last short and totally irrelevant
message.  I guess I've been reading too much news.  It's a jumble out
there!
     Take care everyone and keep sending in those cards and letters!
In closing, Susanne mentioned that the CDs are very close to being ready.
The new acoustic stuff is NOT from the radio tour but specially recorded
by Happy and Kevin.  Should be a really special disc!
     See you all down the line!
                             Bob Lovejoy


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Date: Sat, 22 May 93 21:18:26 AEST
From: phobos@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Subject: Re: Tower Boston and other ramblings....

Hi Larry Nathanson, on May 21 you wrote:

> In the "new" music dept- I like the cranberries...  They remind me of
> something, but I don't remember what...  (Vuja De- the feeling I've never

I love the debut Cranberries album, and was rather pleased to get to do a
phone interview yesterday with singer Delores O'Riordan. She's one of the
more entertaiining interviews I've done in recent memory; I could post some
choice quotes if anyone expresses interest...

They may be reminding you, Lerry, of the Sundays or the Smiths maybe? Many
journalists have compared them to those two bands, much to the chagrin of
Ms O'Riordan... :-)

Anthony

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Date: Sun, 23 May 93 13:55:30 AEST
From: phobos@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Subject: Re: Nigel and

Hiya WretchAwry, on May 22 you blitted:

> I saw the film _Wide Sargasso Sea_, and though I'm glad I saw it in
> the theater (it's gorgeous!) I wouldn't really recommend it. The whole

> I thought the woman's name was Grace Pool, but she's not referred by
> that name anywhere in WSS. (I'm sure it was Grace Pool, because there's
> a band by that name and they got the name from Jane Eyre.) Anyway, 5

That was a good album too (the debut Grace Pool album, that is) - I've been
trying to find it on CD for years, but it only ever came out here on vinyl
(ugh) - anyone know if they ever did another album? Any band that had the
good taste to work with David Sylvian's producer is fine by me... :-)

> (Though I do have to say that I'd see it again, just for the actress
> who played GP. She's really cool, and wouldn't you know it, I forgot her
> name. Pfft) The music is pretty good too. Stewart Copeland did it.

Karina Lombard? Maybe? The film hasn't opened here yet, despite the fact
that it was directed by a talented Australian, John Duigan (he of "The Year
My Voice Broke" and "Flirting") - Duigan's already back here shooting his
next film, another period film, this time about the women who posed for
famed painter Norman Lindsey (sp?); it's called "Sirens". One of the lead
roles is being filled by Elle MacPherson (!).

Anthony

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From: jlueck@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Subject: Cheers, etc.
Date: Sun, 23 May 93 12:07:42 CDT

Vickie writes:
> Am I the only person in the Northern hemisphere who has never seen an
> episode of "Cheers" and who didn't watch the wingding on Thursday night?
No, I didn't see it.

> until they were off the air and were re-run in syndication. I just
> started watching "Roseanne" a few months ago, and it's been on for
> years. It's too bad I ignored and dismissed it for so long, because
> it really is an excellent show. I've become *much* more forgiving of
Wow.  Same thing happened to me, too.  I always used to hate her and her show
(don't remember why) and I was "forced" to watch it at a friend's house and I
really enjoyed it.  Now I catch it on reruns whenever I have a free moment and
it's on.  Of course I could count on five fingers the number of TV shows I
actually watch and 2 of them happen to be Star Trek!

--
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                                play: chip-l@nwu.edu


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Date:         Sun, 23 May 93 13:42:34 EDT
From: goya! <REWOICC@erenj.bitnet>
Subject:      attention nyc area ectophiles|

a couple points:

1. driving back from new haven one early morning last week, i discovered that
   wfuv 90.7 fm plays the world cafe and echoes on the overnight shift. dunno
   the exact times, but i think that the world cafe is on from midnight to 2
   am. echoes was on afterwards (isn't echoes a weekly program though?)

2. on memorial say weekend, the tri-state area will be graced with the pre-
   sence of ecto's very own palidrome man| that's right, mjm will be in new
   york city for the memorial day weekend and there appears to be an ectoga-
   there in the workings. right now, we think it'll be on that monday, but
   nothing has been set in stone yet. if you're interested in joining us,
   whatever the plans might be, drop me a line (i'm on the digest and since
   jessica isn't around, you'd best send me a note directly since i dunno
   when a digest'll be popping in).

+woj


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Date: Sun, 23 May 1993 18:35:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Suspended In Duct Tape <METH@delphi.com>
Subject: Champagne Jam, 5/23/93

Hi!

Here I present the last Champagne Jam of the semester, and possibly the last
for a while- getting in the summer programming queue is currently a pain in
the posterior...

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CHAMPAGNE JAM
88.1 WESU-Middletown
Wesleyan University
Middletown, CT
Sunday, May 23, 1993
11AM-1PM

10,000 MANIACS: "Scorpio Rising" (The Wishing Chair)
ROBYN HITCHCOCK & THE EGYPTIANS: "The Yip Song" (Respect)

ST. ETIENNE: "Hobart Paving" (So Tough)
THE MOON SEVEN TIMES: "Her House" (The Moon Seven Times)
CRANES: "Rainbows" (Forever)
HIS NAME IS ALIVE: "Open Wide" (Mouth)
BIG HAT: "Garden of Edith" (Shimmer)

AIMEE MANN: "Say Anything" (Whatever)
JANE SIBERRY: "Ingrid (And The Footman)" (The Walking)
JANE SIBERRY & K.D. LANG: "Calling All Angels" (Until The End Of The World)
THE SUNDAYS: "Wild Horses" (Blind)

THE JUDYBATS: "An Intense Beige" (Pain Makes You Beautiful)
TASMIN ARCHER: "Sleeping Satellite" (Great Expectations)
PRAISE: "Dream On" (Praise)
KATE BUSH: "Brazil" (Brazil Soundtrack)
HAPPY RHODES: "Runners" (Equipoise)

NICKY SKOPELITIS: "Proud Flesh" (Ekstasis)
BELA FLECK & THE FLECKTONES: "Bonnie And Slyde" (UFO TOFU)
BIRDSONGS OF THE MESOZOIC: "Sombre Reptiles" (The Fossil Record)
ROBERT FRIPP & THE LEAGUE OF CRAFTY GUITARISTS: "Spasm for Juanita" (Show of Hands)
ZAP MAMA: "Brrrlak!" (Adventures In Afropea I)
THE FLYING BULGER KLEZMER BAND: "Kandel's Hora" (The Flying Bulger Klezmer Band)
ZUSAAN KALI FASTEAU: "The Message" (Prophecy)
INGRID KARKLINS: "Ar vilcinu Riga braucu" (A Darker Passion)
MIRANDA SEX GARDEN: "Distance" (Suspiria)

THIS MORTAL COIL: "Song To The Siren" (TMC Promo CD5)
TORI AMOS: "Upside Down" (Winter CD5)
KATE BUSH: "Sat In Your Lap" (The Dreaming)
====================

Some notes: The new Cranes album seems incredible, judging by the previewing I
got to do today.  Definitely worth checking out.

Aimee Mann continues to impress.

So does the new His Name Is Alive... and I think I may have to break down and
seek out the PRAISE album, irregardless of my first impressions (I checked the
review sticker: "Mid-80's Madonna in a head-on collision with Bananarama on
Valium."  Don't ask me where I got that, I now have no clue).

Meredith
meth@delphi.com

"Any kind of touch I think is better than none, even upside down"- Tori Amos

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