Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #571 ecto, Number 571 Thursday, 13 May 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Tidbits PJ Harvey HaPpY Birthday ectogram Thanks for the birthday favor.. Who knows... Happy Rhodes Who knows... My first posting :) Cleaning up at Tower Chicago words ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 May 93 02:21:33 MET From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: Tidbits Hi all! Todays (actually, yesterdays ;-)) newspaper contains a review of P.J. Harvey's "Rid of Me". Though I haven't heard much of her music, I remember her name mentioned on Ecto, but no mention of this album. The review is quite positive, though by a reviewer I haven't heard of before (a new reviewer with an Ecto'ish taste? I keep an eye out for her...). If you want to check it out for yourself, just get a copy of "Politiken" from the 11th or I could mail you the review... Oh, it's in Danish, by the way! ;-) On a different note, I heard a track from the new Cyndi Lauper album, a couple of days ago. Cyndi Lauper gone folk???!! It sounded like Steeleye Span (at least according to long fading memories) on a hip-hop drum beat and with Cyndi's rather rough voice... Quite a combination! Could be a very interesting album, anybody heard all of it? Still haven't found a copy of "Suspiria"... :-( Jens P. Brage | No time gives us reasons for why it just goes by brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | And no man can stop the seasons /\ | But so many men will try \SphereSoft | - Jefferson Airplane, "Common Market Madrigal" ======================================================================== From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: Tidbits Date: Tue, 11 May 93 23:21:04 CDT Jens mentioned: > > On a different note, I heard a track from the new Cyndi Lauper album, > a couple of days ago. Cyndi Lauper gone folk???!! > > It sounded like Steeleye Span (at least according to long fading > memories) on a hip-hop drum beat and with Cyndi's rather rough > voice... Quite a combination! Could be a very interesting album, > anybody heard all of it? > Not yet, but as a general note to anyone in the vicinity, Cyndi is playing Dallas May 17th at Trees. I'm brave.. I'll admit to being a closet Cyndi fan... ;) -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 21:22:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: PJ Harvey Jens asks about PJ Harvey's new album, _Rid of Me_. I love it. But it's not exactly ectophile music which is why I haven't mentioned it earlier. I bought _Rid of Me_ a week ago, which was the day it came out in the U.S. I adore _Dry_, her first release, too. _Rid of Me_, for those who know _Dry_, is even more raw, less melodic, more powerful. In some way it sound a lot like _Dry_, but she's taking her sound and emotion one step farther. She has a gutsy punky sound. If that sounds good to you, PJ Harvey is a must have--she's the best at that kind of sound I've ever heard. --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 May 93 12:54:49 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthday Here's wishing a very Happy Birthday to Steve Fagg on May 15th. Have a great day Steve, Peace, Terry === Only in your eyes lies your soul ========================= Happy Rhodes === _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] Terry (Tel Boy) Partis | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) \_.-._( ''' With a smile and a song - I'm HaPpy Let me sleep awhile and dream of Avalon and the Beltane fires.................. ............................................our souls entwined for all eternity ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 May 93 07:55:40 EDT From: woj Subject: ectogram Chris Sampson sez: >SS (rest assured that this opinion is arrived at after several >listens) on the other hand, IMNSHO, lacks the thematic cohesion of the first, >and is also, song-for-song not as deep, pretty, or poetic. The first album is >rich in imagery. Whereas, again IMNSHO, Tom's Diner is merely precious. remember that many of the songs on _solitude standing_ were written before (or at the same time) as the material on the first album. since there was also new material on _ss_, it stands to reason that there will be a con- trast between her earlier, less-developed work and the later songs of a more matured songwriter. your comment about thematic cohesion mystifies me as i've never really linked the songs on the first album themtically. i've linked them by an overall tone though, which was particularly striking one grey, autumn afternoon in 1985. sez: >One thing Angelos didn't mention in his paean to the new _Pulse_ is their >latest swipe at college radio. They write of the First Amendment suit brought >by DJ's let go by the U of Washington station in connection with its recent >format tinkering, and imply that the DJ's are imputing sinister motives to >the station's replacement of them with _World Cafe_, which they say is less >adventuresome than the local shows they used to do. Go figure. well, personally, i think that the kcmu ex-djs' suit is bullpucky...but also, i think that their replacement by the world cafe is bullpucky too. kcmu made the decision to use syndicated programming for a number of reasons, one of them being a desire to attract more listenership (and as a result, generate more money during fundraising drives). while generation of pledges is an admirable goal, replacing local talent with a fairly homogenized program such as the world cafe goes against my belief of what college/community radio is all about. the station staff should be encouraging the devlopment of their own shows, not riding the coattails of some "prooven" fundraiser - even if said fundraiser supports happy rhodes (this falls into the same category as "why i don't like wxpn too much"). >Wonder how many hours after I send it this post will finally emerge from >RUTVM1. ah, the perils of bitnet. far as i know, mitch and myself are the only bitnet subscribers on ecto. i know this since i get messages from uicvm telling me when my ecto posts get delivered to him. there's also the brown distribution list, but that's not really a subscriber. :) lusky@sol.hc.ti.com (Steve Lusky) sez: >Yesterday's paper noted Billy Joel's comments in a college commencement >address. He was talking about music commercialization, and strongly >encouraged going out on your own. He said alternative music expands the >art. Many if not most are not satisfied with popular music. i take it that _stormfront_ is an example of "alternative music"? :) Suspended In Duct Tape sez: >Saw The Story at the Iron Horse in Northampton, MA on Saturday night. me too! (surprised?) 'twas a fun show. i must concur with whomever it was who said that their live shows are better than the album. _grace in gra- vity_ is all well and nice, but it never left much of an impression on me the many times that i listened to it. the live show is much more involv- ing and that much more enjoyable. i echo meth's command: see them! i scared myself in two ways last night. first, i rearranged the living room, which necessitated picking the cds up off the floor from their piles and putting them in boxes to make them more manageable. on a whim, i estimated roughly about how many there are as about 550. this is quite disconcerting as the only time i actually ever counted them (about a year ago, i guess) there were 384. eeek. second, i paid my visa bill. when looking over the statement, it was sick- ening to note that about 3/4 of the purchases were music-related. well, maybe not as much sickening as sobering. somebody stop me before i buy another! augh! and finally, in a happy-related vein (for a change), i recently was sent a chain letter type thang along the lines of those send-a-pair-of-socks-to- the-first-person-on-the-list-and-add-your-address-to-the-bottom deals. only instead of socks, it is a tape of miscellaneous music. i had been thinking that i'd make a tape of some of the weirder music i've been listening to as of late...but then it hit me: why not make a happy rhodes sampler instead? so, soon as i get my butt in gear, i'll be doing that for one heidi i-for- got-her-last-name whose name is at the top of the address list. i'll be sure to post any responses. :) +woj ======================================================================== From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Thanks for the birthday favor.. Date: Wed, 12 May 93 9:23:19 CDT A profuse thanks to the ectophiles that sent birthday greetings to my friend Kathy. She was very touched by it and said it was one of the most unique birthday gifts she'd ever gotten... Thanks again, guys! (or "y'all" as I'm probably expected to say) (I'm not Texan, I just live there.... ;^) ) br!an -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 May 93 17:26:15 +0200 From: Karl Dotzek Subject: Who knows... Who has an idea (and can tell me) who sings the following lines in what songs? (guesses so far in brackets) 1. I met a fan dancer Down in Southside Birmingham (I recall that it's sung with a high male voice, perhaps it's by Lake, a German group of the 70s?) 2. Nothing ever grows in this rotting old hole 3. Cold and wet December day We touched the ground at JFK (Chuck Berry: "Back in the U.S.A."?) 4. Let's set sail for seas of passion now 5. Come on let's cruise, you've got nothing to lose (Beach Boys: "Kokomo"?) 6. She buys a radio station with her husband's legacy 7. He'll build a little home, just meant for two, ======================================================================== 8. When I called you last night from Glasgow (Sting?) 9. So if you are in sight and the day is right She's the hunter you're the fox (Dalbello?) 10. I look at you all, see the love there that's sleeping (Beatles?) If you have new guesses, I'd be interested in those, too. Greetings, Karl. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 May 93 08:19:17 PDT From: jimc@snsc.unr.edu (Jim Cullen) Subject: Happy Rhodes Hi All: This is a long shot, but what the heck. It's also a duplicate posting, so apoogies if you see it somewhere else. I was browsing on Internet yesterday and ran into a person who had a quote by a person named Happy Rhodes in his signature line. Well, it so happens that I once knew a Happy Rhodes. Actually, her first name is Shawna, but everyone called her Happy. She had two brothers, Chris and Mark, and her mom's name was Danny. Danny was a Ballet instructor in Schenectady, NY from 1977 to 1979 and Happy and I took ballet class with her mom for a few years. At the time I knew her, she was writing her own songs and played guitar. At our last meeting, she was just learning synthesizer and was playing gigs at a bar in downtown Albany. I lost track of the family about 6 years ago. Any chance we are talking about the same person? If so, I'd love to know how to get back in touch with them. Any help you could offer would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Jim Cullen Assistant Research Professor Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidate Desert Research Institute University and Community College System of Nevada P.O. Box 19049 Las Vegas, Nevada 89119 (702) 895-0462 At home: 9456 Mast Drive Las vegas, Nevada 89117 (702) 254-8815 On Internet: jimc@snsc.unr.edu or jimc@spring.wrc.unr.edu ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 12 May 93 11:49:28 EST Subject: Who knows... Karl > 10. I look at you all, see the love there that's sleeping (Beatles?) "While my guitar gently weeps" - The Beatles. George Harrison specifically (singing and writing. - Michael B. ======================================================================== From: jarle@stud.cs.uit.no (Jarle Lyngaas) Subject: My first posting :) Date: Wed, 12 May 93 18:24:32 METDST As number four on the list from Norway, I'll just send a greetings to everybody here and if you want a piece of cake you have to hurry up - cause my birthday is tomorrow (May 13) !!!!! Jarle Lyngaas (jarle@stud.cs.uit.no) Tunvn. 13, B-11 N-9018 Tromsoe Norway ... and I love postcards... ======================================================================== Date: 12 May 93 11:42:49 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Cleaning up at Tower Chicago Glad to see methy and wojy enjoyed story! Aren't they something? Now that I am fully familiar with GiG, I wish I could see them live again. They were supposed to come to Chicago a while ago, but never showed up. I have spent a ridiculous amount of money on CDs the last couple of weeks. Record Exchange went under, so I bought a few there (I found a copy of Lisa Germano's CD used ($6.99) --- I'd been looking for this for so long! I did a double take when I saw it there); got the new World Party (Bang!) (I'm still on a World Party kick -- they're great); found an interesting thing by Bradley Parker(?)-Sparrow, a very interesting artist from Chicago who founded a studio called Southport that has produced a small number of recordings of a Jazz/ future vein. The one I got is called The Desert Rat Suite. It is a concept---variations on a jazz theme. There is an a cappella version (yay), jazz, piano, operatic, cuban, salsa, etc. Sparrow has neat ideas. He narrates some of it in an incredible bass voice that simply must be experienced to be believed. The concept is that music is becoming mediocre and this Rat thing is piped in from another planet. Some bits are excellent. Also, the length of the CD is 73:19 and he says in the notes that, as the CD time limit was based on Beethoven's Ninth (as legend has it), so he wanted to create a suite that fit exactly into that time frame. Anyways, it's cool. Has anyone ever heard (of) this guy? Then yesterday I hit Tower, searching for a few things and ready to take advantage of the World Music sale they had. I had seen the Zap Mama disk a couple of weeks earlier (remember when I was searching for Ingrid K.), and now I figured I'd get it on sale. Also, I wanted to see if they actually had the I.K. disk. Well, long story short (they again had to consult every employee there 5 times) some guy found it *ON THE FLOOR* in the World Music section. Great! That meant it was on sale too. Plus, I finally found the Mouth Music disk, but not only that: also the new one Mo Di and the CD single: all in the World Music section! PJ Harvey's new one was also on sale, and I also picked up a copy of Dry which I'd been searching for a while: it was still in a longbox, and since they are discarding all the longboxes in favor of cellophane, I got a dollar off of that one. Finally, I was happy to see Aimee Mann's "Whatever" CD, which I promptly added to the lot. This is actually the only one I've really listened to yet in totality, and I must say, I love it. She still has that wonderful voice and a great gift for songwriting. There were blurbs about her and Zap Mama in the latest Tower Rag (Pulse), which came with a free CD, BTW. I assume people (at least in the US) have access to these. It is such a shame that she was screwed by her record contract (they would not promote Til Tue. but at the same time held her to the obligation of producing more albums), esp. in view of what I regard as wholesale quality music (Everything's Different Now is still my favorite TT album). She said it was like being married to a guy who says I don't like you and I won't sleep with you, etc. etc. but I won't grant you a divorce! I guess the album is about that, but mostly about failed relationships (she seems to have had her fill). Anyways, check out "Whatever" --- she's still got it (in fact, after a couple of listens, I'm almost tempted to say this is *better* than Til Tue.) --- her ability to write interesting (musically) and lyrically clever (*very* clever and subtle wordplay, which I love) songs is a present as ever. I'll undoubtedly report on my impressions re: some of my other recent acquisitions as I gradually absorb them. It's so exciting to get new music. Yay! -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 12:48:40 EDT From: Chris Sampson Subject: words Hello ectophiles, Steve Lusky says: [Re: John Allen Paulos] > What Chris says of this fellow tends to confirm my inference from the >.sig quote. It is similar to the outstanding article "Risk within Reason" >published in Science 4May90. Both remind us that what we judge must be >relative to other similar things. Pile a lot of data on top of data and >you can easily get stuck in a "local minimum" while climbing over the >"hills" to find something reasonable. I.e., you may be blinded by all the >data and not see that what appears reasonable may not be. > Say you have a baby sleeping at home, and need to dash to the store. >Would you leave the baby alone for 10 minutes, or take the baby? Most >would take the baby. However, the risk of you having a car accident is >much higher than anything adverse happening if you leave the baby home. Beautiful. JAP goes on in a similar vein, but that'll become clear once I transcribe the article... Anybody got an idea how to find out this guy's email address??? > The use of statistics is often criticized. My concern is that people >do not use them enough when making decisions. "Often too much weight is >placed on risks of low probability but high salience." If we took this to >heart, our society would be a far nicer place to live. Yes, Chris, please >send me the article. Granted (the first part) but I'm not so sure where the trade-off between the alternatives should be. If you have a car accident, you may walk away from it, none the worse for wear. But that which is "likely" (or not) to happen to the child, is potentially far worse. Never mind the fact that if you get into an accident, the kid'll be home alone for more than 10 minutes. Statistics has gotten a bad name, mostly, IMO, due to those who don't use them well or properly. Thanks for the tip, Steve, I'll go look for the 4May90 issue of Science. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - brni writes: >hmmm. i didn't read vickie's post as being "flamage" at all. Right...I did (kinda) and was hoping to avoid a confrontation. I found myself getting more and more...riled...throughout. No biggy; debate is a good way to promote intelligence. Anyway, at some point I felt accused of being dippy (re: judging a person by one song, "off" switch). For a flame...idunno...skirmish(?) these are the necessary ingredients. For it to escalate out of control, requires a certain degree of anonymity or out-and-out beligerence...neither of which prevails on this list, thank Warren (inside joke). Anyway, Vickie and I have exchanged apologies. Disagreeing as to the merits (or lack thereof) of SolStand is fine, great, encouraged even. Again, I see, but don't agree with your point of view (Perhaps, if I'm super mature, I'll dig out the LP soon and try again...). As for the "these are my early songs" as a theme ;> I have to admit to coming to SV sorta outa the blue. Actually saw her at "My Father's Place" when a friend had an extra ticket. Perhaps "thematically" is not how they were linked at all, perhaps it's more of an intangible interconnectedness by which one song flows to the next (the exception being, IMO...the one about the "neighborhood girl"). Didn't mean anyone in particular, or even EVERYone....(sigh) could've left out the broad-sweeping comment about tastes...Opinions are funny things; when we see our own bias(es) and recognize their value (lack thereof) and do away, there's another immediately beneath it which we don't see for awhile :) I sit corrected. If I may try to restate the point; LUKA was (over)played on top40 stations; not a big draw with this crowd. I had, by this point, an image of SV in my mind (along with visuals, as I'd seen her in concert) as a poet of sorts...anyway, Luka, while not immediately grating to me, was, I felt a regression towards the mean (read, run-of-the-mill, boring same old stuff). The possibility exists that I have missed some inherent value in the music...Personal preferences rarely stand up to full explanation to others. So here she is, getting fame (yes, well deserved) for what *I* believe is not her best work, and I fear(ed) for the misunderstanding that might arise (SV does THIS kind of music...No she does THIS kind of music...Come now, you two, New Shimmer is a floor wax AND a dessert topping) Granted, this all exists outside my involvement, it's just opinion. Sort of a mental exercise. >V> d) your radio has an off switch and > > Please don't lecture me on freedom of choice. > > yup. we'll leave that for Devo... > Blew by me in both lanes....But anyway, I found this to be insulting, hence my "reaction >>um, this is dangerous, but might i (again, most respectfully) warn >>against making hard and fast judgements on people's characters based >>on the way they approach music? >> (Blush) See the admission of being human-ish above. Touche' C> Probably only half as much with the bisexual women,... >the bisexual woman that i am involved with adores women as much as many >of her lesbian friends, or my lesbian friends, or me, and more than many >straight men and lesbian women that i know. This was a joke based on semantics...not exact, just cutesy. The premise: bisexuals divide a fixed amount of "adoration" among eleigible recipients. Since the number of eligible recipients is roughly twice as large for bisexuals.... just a joke. Not a great one. A throw-away line. On a serious note. Brni, I am very sorry to hear about your loss. Perhaps the thing we, as Americans, don't usually realize is that "world events" happen to lots of individuals, with families. I knew someone who was on Pan Am flight 103...that's when I realized the extent to which we are USUALLY insulated from these things. Ta ta for now. Chris ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)