Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #569 ecto, Number 569 Tuesday, 11 May 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* NU comes thru Re: F* dich selber... Re: Personal Announcement :) :) :) :) :) :) Re: bi-weekly; yes i'm way behind... ;) quote from conversation #2 The Story Champagne Jam, 5/9/93 b'day thanks Congrat the old story ======================================================================== From: jlueck@merle.acns.nwu.edu Subject: NU comes thru Date: Mon, 10 May 93 20:24:24 CDT > I have very recently gotten into the habit of picking up a > copy of the free and mediocre (but still free) Daily Northwestern > student paper. This habit has quickly paid off. > > In yesterday's issue, there was an ad for a FREE Shawn Colvin > show at Northwestern, by the lake, on May 13, at 7pm! You know, this is really sad that the Daily Northwestern is delivered to my office, and I have to find out what's in it from Ecto! Thanks Char....er..ah....Mike! ;-) -- Chip Lueck (Jeff) work: jlueck@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu play: chip-l@nwu.edu "I want to be a lawyer, I want to be a scholar. But I really can't be bothered, ooh just Gimme it quick, gimme it, gimme gimme, gimme, gimme" -Kate Bush ======================================================================== From: jlueck@merle.acns.nwu.edu Subject: Re: F* dich selber... Date: Mon, 10 May 93 20:28:32 CDT > of this sentence to get the German version. Now any non-German Ectophile > recognizing the citation? > > "F*ck Dich selber, Du Arschloch!" Oooh. That's easy. Almost any American movie!!!!! I could probably list 100 of them. ;-) -- Chip Lueck (Jeff) work: jlueck@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu play: chip-l@nwu.edu ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: Personal Announcement Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 11:53:27 +1000 (EST) > > Fellow ectophiles, I have happy news for you all. Yesterday, on the > 9th May, my partner, Jane Gowar, and I decided to get engaged. We > probably won't actually get married for a couple of years yet, finances > permitting, but we felt we were ready for this step. > > What else can I say? I am so very, very happy! I wanted to tell you > all because you're such a great bunch of people. I'm still walking > on air here, and I'll take a little while to settle down... > Congratulations, Stephen. I hope that everything works out for you. Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 May 93 22:42:07 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: :) :) :) :) :) :) hi there! i just talked to my ex (the only ex that is *the* ex rather than *an* ex). she had called me about a month ago to see if i wanted go to the philadelphia folk festival and camp with her for a weekend, since her husband is at sea. :^>. anyway, when she had called, i told her about happy, and promised to make a tape and send it to her. so i taped ecto for her, and filled the rest of the 100 min tape (sorry bob) with what would fit from equipoise. then i got into a taping frenzy and taped her some gong and made a mix tape of stuff i listen to (including tmbg, happy, legendary pink dots, skinny puppy, and lots of throwing muses), and shipped it off to her. ok, so she has had the tape for over a week now, and hasn't gotten past the happy rhodes stuff. "first i got addicted to the first side. then i got addicted to the second side!" she's checked out the record stores and found (1 copy of) equipoise, and so she will be calling aural gratification soon (i very clearly stipulated that if she likes the music, she has to buy some of it herself). one more ecto-missionary has been born. but now i have to read _stranger in a strange land_. there were some other things i wanted to respond to. i can't remember now. sigh. no frowny face tho; i'm too happy to care. :) oh!!! i remember one. (i remember the other, too, now). 1) vickie, you mentioned a certain aversion to scientology (tm), and chris also said something to the same effect to me in personal mail (stemming from a gaffa thing). i was wondering what sort of run-in you folks had with scientology to create this reaction. (i have this sorta appalled fascination with scientology, you see -- but then again, i also did a lot of my work in philosophy on "evil"). if you don't want to give details, or don't want to post them up publically, i understand. 2) oh shit. what was i gonna say? oh yeah! i just wanted to say that i liked the image created by "ask a stupid question, and you become the stupid answer" better than "ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer." it just seemed true to me. hmmmmm.. on a roll here folks. (i'nm very happy, you see). well, since i've been talking about happy here, i might as well explain why i like ecto better than equipoise. the drumming. simple as that. ecto is very minimalistic. its very much a *studio* sort of production, a "here we are in the studio, so lets experiment" sort of album. because of this, the trappings are stripped away, and we're left with what's important in happy's music: her voice, the composition, the lyrics. equipoise has more of a "live band" sort of feel (hence it is more "commercially viable" than ecto), even tho its not really a live band album. a lot of the time it is successful, and the result is wonderful. but when i put on equipoise, the first song is "runners" and something keeps nagging at me... and eventually i pinned it down. while a lot of y'all loved the drumming on equipoise, i thought that it was too repetitive, too formulaic, and too non-drummerly to consistently succeed with the "live band" feel that the album has. i guess my recommendations would be either 1) spend a lot more time and money (my fingers sorta automatically type monet instead of money, since i use monet much more often...) on high end drum machine stuff, or 2) hire a drummer to do the final recording session. i guess that the example of this that i can give is from kate. she wrote "under ice" on the fairlight, but something about the samples strings kept nagging her, and she finally went out and got people to play the instruments. oh, yeah, i had wanted to tell you all my theory of ghosts... its not really a theory, but a dream i had once. but i thought that the concept was fascinating... assume for a minute, that there are these non-corporeal, ether-like, sorta energy creatures that share a world that is both identical and entirely different from ours. that is to say, they and we exist in the same "space" (using a broader definition of space than is usually applied by physics), but their experience of the world and ours are wholly different, because we are entirely different kinds of beings. but they would "watch" us, intrigued, trying to figure out why we do the things that we do. and occassionally, some of them would want to learn what "feeling" was, to comprehend the sense of touch, to learn what it is like to be corporeal, and (this is *my* dream after all) to learn what it is like to make love. and so they go and hang out in a human for a while. they sorta insert themselves in and become echoes of the neural firings that occur in a human being. they become an echo of the human's nervous system. this is dangerous for them, tho, because they are so *involved* in being the human that they've entered that they can lose their own *selves*. usually they don't, or if they do, then they remember after a while. but occassionally, especially if the human dies in a particularly traumatic way, this humanity gets permanently imprinted on the creature. at some point the human dies. but the energy creature does not. but it thinks that it is the human, and that it has died. and it doesn't understand why it is still around. and it wanders around forever, lost in humanity, dead and yet alive, but in a sense it is as dead as the human who it became. um. i think i should stop now. this is long enough. if any of this sounds abrupt or something, please don't take offence. i've been typing in a frenzy (a glorious frenzy -- and despite the fact that this is the sort of thing that "society" frown upon, i absolutely REFUSE TO FEEL GUILT!) [is it offence or offense?] and i may have said something to someone or about something that i may later regret. its after 10. i think i'll go make some dinner. thank you for listen to me babble i love you all brni i need a happy sigfile. how about some cocteau twins: "oh, dear heart mop in my face in the background" :> ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: Re: bi-weekly; yes i'm way behind... ;) Date: Mon, 10 May 93 23:11:22 EDT Forwarded message: ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: bi-weekly; yes i'm way behind... ;) Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 11:49:44 +1000 (EST) Drewcifer replies to ... > > > > Icehouse is without a doubt a supreme example of the perfect pop band. > with ... > They're not bad...when I'm in the mood for silly bippy pop, I pull out > Scritti Politti (Green's voice, singing about women, is just so incredibly > incongruous that it's incredibly sexy) or Jane Wiedlin. > Anyone who doesn't mind later Icehouse stuff should listen to their first album. I think you guys know that album as Flowers, but what actually happened was that the band was called Flowers and their first album was called Icehouse, after the song of the same name on that album. Then, apparently, they discovered an American band of the same name, and changed their name to Icehouse. Anyway, their first album is full of some really nice music, with some dark atmospheres along with some brighter stuff. Worth a look, if you haven't heard it. Or should that be Worth a Listen. Oh well ... Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 May 93 23:38:15 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: quote from conversation #2 "i'm forever indebted to you for getting me through these times of finals and papers by introducing me to a goddess" she apparently likes ecto better than equipoise, too, and is going to order VI, VII, rearmament, and ecto. "i can't get all six," she said. "i'm poor." goodnight, all brni ======================================================================== Date: 10 May 1993 23:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: The Story Hi! All this talk of AI here, and all I can think of when I see those initials is Artificial Insemination. (See, I've been reading discussions of long-distance Lippizan/Andalusian horse breeding on another network, and people have been commenting on how they think of Artificial Intelligence when they read "AI" over there, and, well... oh, never mind.) Vickie muses: }It very well could have been the song "The Sensual World" }because Kate sings a line "the annals of desire rewrite the }speech" (or something like that. I'm too lazy to go look it up.) "And then the arrows of desire rewrite the speech" A direct slam at the Joyce Estate for forcing her to paraphrase Molly Bloom's soliloquy in order to release the song. Brilliantly done too, I might add... Saw The Story at the Iron Horse in Northampton, MA on Saturday night. They were, in a word, amazing. I hadn't paid much attention to _Grace In Gravity_ since I bought it, I usually had it on in the background while doing other things. But tonight I listened to it again with new appreciation- seeing the songs performed live really did it for me. I had tears in my eyes when Jonatha and Jennifer sang "Grace In Gravity" up there on the stage not five feet from me- I knew the story, but it hadn't struck me before that moment just how tragic and pathetic and sad the fate of that poor dancer was. Jonatha is a pretty talented woman- and Jennifer is a kick. Daniel Lanois was playing the second show that night, so all his equipment was on the stage with them (including this huge plastic moon thing in the corner that was a frequent topic of between-song conversation :), and at the end of the set Jennifer went around touching the equipment, so she could say she had done it. They were pretty bummed that although they performed before him, since it was two separate shows they couldn't say they've opened for Daniel Lanois. (They have a very dry sense of humor, and their introduction to "Dog Dreams" had me rolling on the floor. Unfortunately no one else seemed to find it as funny, so the two of them looked at me rather strangely, but hey.) Jonatha is exceedingly anal about tuning her guitars. Their new album is out on Elektra on July 16th. Meanwhile, they're providing backing vocals for Patty Larkin's new album (due out the beginning of October), and performed with her a couple times recently. Speaking of performing, here's their upcoming tour schedule (subject to change): 5/13: Cambridge, MA Passim (two shows) 5/15: Providence, RI Stone Soup Coffeehouse 5/16: Saratoga Springs, NY Caffe Lena 6/18: Exeter, NH Loaf and Ladle (not conf.) 7/10: Vineyard Haven, MA Wintertide Coffeehouse 7/16: Montclair, NJ 1st Congregational Church 7/17: Philadelphia, PA Penn's Landing 7/23: Trumansburg, NY Finger Lakes Folk Fest 7/24-5: Hillsdale, NY Falcon Ridge Folk Festival 7/27: Newton, MA Jackson Homestead 7/31: Peterborough, NH The Folkway 8/2: Blue Hill, ME Left Bank Cafe 8/5: Portland, ME Raoul's 8/15: King of Prussia, PA Upper Merion Parks Folk Fest 8/28: Waterville, NH Festival Pavilion 9/3: Chattanooga, TN Miller Plaza 10/2: Somerville, MA The Somerville Theatre If they're even remotely in your area, GO SEE THEM. That's an order. :) +===============================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| +===============================================================+ | The painted stage, it comes alive at night | | When all the world is dead | | And I become the sole audience, and they linger in my head... | | *Happy Rhodes* | +===============================================================+ ======================================================================== Date: 10 May 1993 23:53:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: Champagne Jam, 5/9/93 Hi! Well, it finally happened: I broadcast my interview with Happy yesterday. I taped it, but then spent the afternoon hiking in a nearby state park and left the tape to bake in the back seat of my car. Yes, I know, STOOOOOOOOPID. It's kinda warped, but I think it's salvageable to send to Doug anyway. (If anyone out there listened in and taped it, let me know ASAP! Thanks...) So here's what happened in and around the interview: ============ CHAMPAGNE JAM 88.1 FM, WESU-Middletown Wesleyan University Sunday, May 9, 1993 (Mother's Day) 11AM-1PM 10,000 MANIACS: "My Mother The War" (The Wishing Chair) THE STORY: "The Alarm Is On Love" (Grace in Gravity) JULIANA HATFIELD: "Ugly" (I See You EP) * AIMEE MANN: "Fifty Years After The Fair" (Whatever) CONCRETE BLONDE: "True" (Free) (r) JOHN AND MARY: "Angels of Stone" (The Weedkiller's Daughter) KATE BUSH: "Wuthering Heights" (The Whole Story) (r) ** **Interview With Happy Rhodes** Songs included from _Equipoise_: Runners He Will Come The Flight Out Like A Lamb Closer I Say THE MOON SEVEN TIMES: "Miranda" (The Moon Seven Times) HIS NAME IS ALIVE: "Mouth" (Mouth By Mouth) ZUZU'S PETALS: "God Cries" (CD5) KATE BUSH: "Mother Stands For Comfort" (Hounds Of Love) * The final [snif] dedication from the Deli King to the Deli Queen ** Very Special Request (tm) by Valerie Nozick, who called from Atlanta :) ============ I'll start work on the transcription as soon as I can. I'm going away for a few days on Wednesday, so be patient y'all, I'll get to it eventually! +===============================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| +===============================================================+ | The painted stage, it comes alive at night | | When all the world is dead | | And I become the sole audience, and they linger in my head... | | *Happy Rhodes* | +===============================================================+ ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 May 93 20:37:06 PDT From: megatest!plethorax!bgregory@uu2.psi.com (Brian Gregory) Subject: b'day thanks indeed. 30. hmm, I don't feel any different, I guess I'm not. anyway, *thanks* for the birthday greetings!!!!! Brian ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 May 93 0:42:38 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Congrat ulations ST!! *HUG* Vickie ======================================================================== From: "Klaus Kluge" Date: 11 May 93 08:52:34 MET-1 Subject: the old story Once again a message from my office account. You know the story. I'm without e-mail and news for over a week now, so it's about time to let you know. My excuses to everybody who is waiting desperately for email from me, especially to the people which had their birthday in the last week. I posted your cakes, but I would be very surprised if they made it to the list. So here is a belated "Happy Birthday" to all of you. What follows has been written a couple of days ago, so all references to time are out of date. Yesterday we received our copy of the 1st "Happy Rhodes Radio Tour" tape (thanks Doug!). It was a good interview at WYSP and excellent live performance at WMMR. Adding bass to voice and guitar after the WYSP performance was a good idea. What a difference it made! At one point in the first interview, where Ed and Happy were talking about wine and cheese people, Claudia and I exchanged looks and burst out laughing. Guess what we were having at that time. :) I couldn't help noticing that all 3 songs that Happy selected for her live session at WYSP had a SF topic, although not completely in "Look for the child". Last week we saw/heard two interviews with Suzanne Vega. First, a very small one with an even tinier excerpt from one of the concerts she gave in Germany in the last week, on TV. Then, an 1 hour special about her on Deutschlandfunk (radio) with a couple of songs from her albums and a long interview which only took place 10 days ago. I must say that I like her speaking voice, and some of the things she said and the way she talked reminded me quite a bit about Happy. I have both parts on tape, so if you're interested let me know. One thing I forgot to mention when writing about our Suzanne Vega concert, was the music that was played before and after the support act. First, it was Elvis Costello's "Juliet Love letters" (I'm very sure that SV selected that, because she mentioned EC as one of her favourite artists in the interview), then it was PJ Harvey's "Dry". Was that the same selection at your concert Uli? When shopping two weeks ago, we found Bobo on the cover of the "Wiener" magazine, and it had a couple of pages about her. Because of it's size I won't start typing/translating until I see someone asking for it. The most interesting bit was the question about her musical influences, where she listed classical baroque music, Kate Bush, Joni Mitchell and Talk Talk. BTW, one of the songs on her new album is dedicated to Joni Mitchell. Our best musical discovery of the last month is the debut album from the Irish band "The Cranberries", titled "Everybody else is doing it, so why can't we?". I'm not sure if they've already been mentioned on ecto. If they haven't been covered yet, I'll write about them for the music guide (better late than never). It's about time that I start to contribute to that project. In our ears they sound a lot like 10000 Maniacs with a touch of Sinead O'Connor and are well worth checking out. Hope to write to you again from inphobos soon, ... Klaus. ___________________________________________________________ ( "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. ) ) Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." ( / --- Happy Rhodes --- \ / Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge klaus@inphobos.w.open.de \ ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)