Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #567 ecto, Number 567 Monday, 10 May 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* re: bi-weekly; yes i'm way behind... ;) Oh, there you are! Re: free Re: ecto #566 uli, i deleted your address :( Happy Birthday Personal Announcement Re: Evan Welsh's Ecto Intro Re: Help her someone ! :) :) :) (Fwd) Re: Get Together Need copy of the FAQ Whoops Re: response to mitch The Crusade ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 09 May 93 18:52:10 CST From: kiri Subject: re: bi-weekly; yes i'm way behind... ;) I've been wanting to chime in something about this bi-discussion, but I just haven't had the time so I'll let this quote from Barbara Ehrenreich's essay in 10 May Time "The gap between gay and straight" say it for me: 'Perhaps it is time to acknowledge that the potential to fall in love with, or just be attracted to, a person of the same sex is widespread among otherwise perfectly conventional people.... Quite apart from sex, all men would surely be better off in a world where simple acts of affection between men occasioned no great commentary or suspicion, where a hug would be a hug and not a "statement."' While I don't agree with every bit of what Barbara has to say in this essay, i think for the most part she's on the ball. on a totally unrelated note... Icehouse is without a doubt a supreme example of the perfect pop band. Also since neither Courtney or myself will be able to attend Katemas at Gaffa Central...:) we were thinking about holding the 1st annual, 1st ever mid-south Katemas party at my apt...any and all ectophiles in the area i.e. (mid-south, south, or whereever!) are invited to attend. Please drop me a note if you would like to come...more details will become available as the time draws near, but for now I'm just trying to gauge if there is anyone out there that may be interested. kIrI "fish are like those fruit-flies, they're insects right?" anonymous byhargie@vm.cc.olemiss.edu ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: re: bi-weekly; yes i'm way behind... ;) Date: Sun, 9 May 93 20:35:38 EDT Forwarded message: > From @rutvm1.rutgers.edu:BYHARGIE@UMSVM.BITNET Sun May 9 20:17:51 1993 > Message-Id: <9305100004.AA15076@ns1.rutgers.edu> > Date: Sun, 09 May 93 18:52:10 CST > From: kiri > Subject: re: bi-weekly; yes i'm way behind... ;) > To: ECTO@ns1.rutgers.edu > > on a totally unrelated note... > > Icehouse is without a doubt a supreme example of the perfect pop band. They're not bad...when I'm in the mood for silly bippy pop, I pull out Scritti Politti (Green's voice, singing about women, is just so incredibly incongruous that it's incredibly sexy) or Jane Wiedlin. > "fish are like those fruit-flies, they're insects right?" anonymous This is amazingly silly! What the bloody hell is it? It would make such a wonderful non-sequitur...but then, a rubber carp is the ultimate N-S so go figure. Yes, I'm fluff-babbling. ObHappy: I'm planning to order Ecto soon. Yay! Drewcifer ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 9 May 93 22:33 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Oh, there you are! Howdy folks, Well, I got to glance thru some back digests a little; ecto is a busy place these days, from deep sociological ponderings to Dennis' hilarious Paul Harvey post (Dennis, I could actually hear that unique delivery of his in your post! Great stuff!) Actually, I haven't heard PH in years. If he's on the air in Philly, it's not on a station to which I listen. And I'm not about to go looking for him anyway. But it was great to read that post! Well Meredith, now that your interview is out, are we getting a transcript? I'm anxious to hear this most in-depth interview, needless to say! And speaking of interviews, I promise(!) dbx that I WILL get the World Cafe tape to him this week. Likewise, I'll be sending a certain overdue PG video to Chris Down Under... Brni, I didn't know you were connected to the Eastern European War Horror! My sincere regrets on your loss. It's a damn shame what's going on over there! I know this won't help much but your Gentle Giant tape is ready. I took the liberty of putting some of my own music at the end of it, so please forgive me that in advance! Actually, I was an OK bassist; to follow another ectothread(tm), one of my old bands opened for Styx in Racine Wisconsin many years ago. It was us, Exile, and Styx. I was not a big fan of their music, but they turned out to be very nice people who had breakfast with us after the concert and treated us as equals. I was most impressed. I'm digressing all over the place. Just wanted to check in and say hello to everybody! Hopefully the next week won't be such a doozy and I'll find the time to post more frequently! Take care y'all (am I turning southern, or is it because I am now facing south?) and we'll see you later. Greetings to all of you who are active on the Genie Happy topic; I'll see you there as well as here! (BTW, it seems the Happy/Tori subtopic on Prodigy has ended...) Hasta luego! -foop- ======================================================================== From: composer@beyond.dreams.org (Jeff Kellem) Subject: Re: free Date: Mon, 10 May 93 00:03:45 EDT On the ecto mailing list, Angelos Kyrlidis wrote... > Which brings to mind a question. Why does Happy not try a free promo > handout type of thing? Picture this marketing scheme to break Happy in > Boston: she makes 500 cassingles of 'Runners'/'Save our souls' which > won't cost more than $500. She distributes 100 of them to 5 stores (2 > Towers, 2 Newbury, 1HMV), does a tie-in in store performance in the > Cambridge Tower which stocks her stuff regularly, and the rest will be > history. Or maybe she doesn't *want* to break the Boston market. > Sometimes I wonder... Tower Records (Newbury St/Mass Ave location, Boston) not only carries Happy Rhodes CDs, but currently has Warpaint in the Tower best seller section. FYI... -jeff Jeff Kellem Internet: composer@Beyond.Dreams.ORG ======================================================================== Subject: Re: free Date: Mon, 10 May 93 00:13:55 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis Jeff Kellem writes: >Tower Records (Newbury St/Mass Ave location, Boston) not only carries Happy >Rhodes CDs, but currently has Warpaint in the Tower best seller section. YOW!!!!!!!!!!! This is err, UNBELIEVABLY AMAZING! :-) I knew that Tower stocked Happy, but best seller? That's definitely front page news in ecto! I'll go check it out tomorrow after I turn in the thesis chapter that I have been working on for the last two weeks!!! I'll try to remember to bring a camera along! :-) Angelos (tired, but at least I've finally written up my work for the last nine months, so I am Happy!) +===========================+ |'My eyes have parasites'-me| +===========================+ ======================================================================== Subject: Re: ecto #566 From: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) Date: Sun, 09 May 93 22:08:18 CDT From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) > One of my favorite movie endings: Tarkovskij's "Stalker". The (very) > downbeat ending is established some 10-20 minutes before the end of > the movie but then, in the last few seconds, Tarkovskij turns > everything upside-down. You probably won't realize until well into the > end titles... Huh? I saw the movie when it first hit the states, and found it unbearably depressing, which the person I saw it with didn't. Did I miss something? If so, what? mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) writes: > lessee, i don't quite know how many personalities sharry has, > but talking to them was quite a trip. kate is a six year old > (kate drinking vodka was a mindfuck in itself), who very clearly > refers to herself as "we.": "we're not going to brynmawr anymore. > we're going to go to temple. stephanie is going to do the work." Hmm... Have you turned her/them on to Happy? I'm finding that some of her songs really strike a chord for those of us with "cohabitants". (See? Your post *was* Happy-related after all!) "You could be an ocarina salesman going | Metatron Press | Austin, Texas! from door to door..." -- Laurie Anderson | Human Systems Performance Group ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 May 93 02:40:59 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: uli, i deleted your address :( so i am posting to ecto instead and wasting everybody's bandwidth. ______________________ > >Hi brni, > >the following bounced back due to your wrong address on monet.rutgers.edu. >So I have to resend it... > >Bye, > >Uli > i'm sorry :( :( i've tried to get this fixed, but no one here will even return my messages... >----------------------------- >Hi brni, > >> uli, you can complain all you want about postal prices in deutschland, >> but at least you don't have to pay $100 to get seats to a gabriel >> concert that you will need to bring binoculars to be able to see anyways, >> and where the sound will have turned to mush long before it ever gets >> to you. > >Ok, I have to admit, $175 is more than I would have payed for it. YUCK!!! >But I don't think you really need binoculars to see anything. At least not >if the venue is comparable in size with the Stuttgart, the Frankfurt and >that Norway (was it Oslo?) venue, the former two hold about 14,000 people. >The stage was that big and long that there were quite a lot of places where >you could see just perfectly. At least when you are big enough (I am). >We were there about 20 minutes before opening and we found place about >3 meters from the stage. Standing places, no seats except on the ranks. >If you are not 2 meters tall (as I am) the ranks (with unnumbered seats) >would be the best places. I think the sound is good all around the venue. > the spectrum is a basketball and hockey arena that they also use for concerts. i'm not sure quite how many people it holds: at least 25000, not as many as 40000. i went to concerts there a lot when i was younger, and from the 2nd and 3rd levels (and even the back of the first level) having binoculars helps a lot. i was on the 3rd level when i saw Rush, and they looked like insects with guitars. >Perhaps you can try to get tickets just before the show. When those >ticket-dealers are afraid of sitting on 20 tickets they might lower the >prices. But of course the opposite might be the case. Just try it. > probably the opposite, around here at least. fortunately, my parents managed to pick up tickets somewhere, and when they found out that i couldn't go, they gave me theirs. thanks, mom and dad!!! :) >Good luck, > >Uli > brni mojzes@monet.vill.edu ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 May 93 08:13:43 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: Happy Birthday Here's wishing a very happy birthday to Mark Semich on May 6th. Sorry I'm a couple of days late Hope you had a great day Peace Terry === Only in your eyes lies your soul ========================= Happy Rhodes === _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] Terry (Tel Boy) Partis | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) \_.-._( ''' With a smile and a song - I'm HaPpy Let me sleep awhile and dream of Avalon and the Beltane fires.................. ............................................our souls entwined for all eternity Z ======================================================================== Subject: Personal Announcement Date: Mon, 10 May 93 10:28:08 +0100 From: Stephen Thomas Fellow ectophiles, I have happy news for you all. Yesterday, on the 9th May, my partner, Jane Gowar, and I decided to get engaged. We probably won't actually get married for a couple of years yet, finances permitting, but we felt we were ready for this step. What else can I say? I am so very, very happy! I wanted to tell you all because you're such a great bunch of people. I'm still walking on air here, and I'll take a little while to settle down... Keep well, Stephen ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 May 93 10:47:50 BST From: E Welsh Subject: Re: Evan Welsh's Ecto Intro uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) writes: > As Vickie said, you had cross-posted to Ecto, but you really did. And > cross-posting is what some people here do all the time, so it has to count. Ah that rant! I thought it just want to jitr. I didn't realise it was cross-posted. > Evan: Welche Art von deutschen Schimpfwoertern moechtest Du hoeren? > Solche, bei denen man nur zurueckschimpft oder solche, bei denen man > anfaengt, an Deiner Erziehung zu zweifeln? I get the gist of this but I think I'm going to have to have a word with my English-Deutsch diktionary when I get home. I didn't say how much of a beginner I was, did I? And thanks for the quote as well. Maybe it's just as well you didn't post translations, eh? And brni writes: >>"Wenn man eine dumme Frage stellt, denn bekommt man eine dumme Antwort." >> >> --not Max Weber >> > help: my german dictionary is packed away... > "when one asks a dumb question, then one becomes a dumb answer."? Since I made such a bad job of translating Uli's message allow me to have a crack at this: "IF one asks a dumb question, then one GETS a dumb answer." Bekommt != become. And, finally, thanks to Vickie for pointing out that I managed to forget the Aussies in my last post when I tried to cover ecto's geographic distribution. Absolutely unforgivable! Stop-press: warmest congratulations to Stephen and Jane on their engagement. -- _____________________________________________________________________ / Evan Welsh \ \ Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre (+44 31 650 5960) / ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Personal Announcement Date: Mon, 10 May 93 13:37:50 BST On Mon, 10 May 93 at 10:28:08 +0100 Stephen Thomas wrote: > Fellow ectophiles, I have happy news for you all. Yesterday, on the > 9th May, my partner, Jane Gowar, and I decided to get engaged. We > probably won't actually get married for a couple of years yet, finances > permitting, but we felt we were ready for this step. Congratulations! Let's hope that your finances don't prevent you from taking the extra step for *TOO* long! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 May 93 14:59:08 +0200 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Re: Help her someone ! :) :) :) > What? A tape with everyone from Grace Darling to Bessie Smith to > The Innocence Mission to Dolly Parton to Dead Can Dance to Diamanda > Galas didn't drive you crazy? I'd better try harder next time! :-) No, it didn't.....:) I'm waiting for the result of the next try already :) Just a little question......Seems like I counted wrong on the last tape (femme collection VI) but I got one song less than what the insert had..Am I wrong, did I sleep through one of the songs or have I got insane afterall? :) The Groups Psychowelders and The Catherines don't have any CDs out, so wht am I supposed to do to get hold on their stuff? (Sounded very interesting) Today I found a piece I wrote for my Philosophy-exam 2.5 years ago, about Music and Ph. which I changed to "Music in the Philosophy of Pythagoras and Platon" but it became everything else than a philosophical work... My finale piece was called "Where Do We Come From?" and was somewhat sarcastic about everything between heaven and earth which was commented at my exam but I passed at least :) But back to the first piece - I read through it this morning and found it very interesting...hmmm, maybe I should continue on that one (I wrote 12 pages before I ran into the mud) Just a thought........... Reagrds, -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 10 May 93 11:01:51 EST Subject: (Fwd) Re: Get Together Forwarded message: From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (S. A. Ezust) Date: Mon, 10 May 93 10:47:52 EDT To: "Michael Blackmore" Subject: Re: Get Together [In message "Get Together" on Apr 30, "Michael Blackmore" writes:] | | > I'm going to be in Cambridge, MA next week... | > If you wanna meet sometime, let's exchange phone numbers. | > My number there will be 354-5252. | | Alan, | | Sounds good my home number is 396-5603 and my work is 496-1074. | So far next week I'm busy Monday, Tuesday, Thursday nights and Sunday | day. | | - Michael B. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- your answering machine must be broken or something... I tried calling you twice but wasn't able to reach you... In any case, we were unable to organize any get-together for that thursday so you didn't miss anything. I'll try again on my next visit to Boston... cheers - alan -- | Alan Ezust depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| ======================================================================== From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Need copy of the FAQ Date: Mon, 10 May 93 10:04:16 CDT Hey guys, I just realized that I don't have a copy of the ECTO info letter. Y'know the thing with the ftp sites listed, etc.. Could someone be so kind as to send me a copy? By the way, Neile, I have my modem now and can help out with the Ecto guide to Fine Music (tm) if need be... Muchisimas Gracias.. br!an -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 10 May 93 11:37:30 EST Subject: Whoops Hi Gang, Sorry about the forwarded message. I'm beta-testing a beta version of a windows version of our e-mail software, and I occasionaly make wee little mistakes! : - ( - Michael B. ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 10 May 93 12:11:51 EST Subject: Re: Personal Announcement Congrats Stephen! Yea! : - ) > Fellow ectophiles, I have happy news for you all. Yesterday, on the > 9th May, my partner, Jane Gowar, and I decided to get engaged. We > probably won't actually get married for a couple of years yet, finances > permitting, but we felt we were ready for this step. > > What else can I say? I am so very, very happy! I wanted to tell you > all because you're such a great bunch of people. I'm still walking > on air here, and I'll take a little while to settle down... > > Keep well, > > Stephen > ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 9 May 93 21:29 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: response to mitch > >"Wenn man eine dumme Frage stellt, denn bekommt man eine dumme Antwort." > > > > --not Max Weber > > > help: my german dictionary is packed away... > "when one asks a dumb question, then one becomes a dumb answer."? Almost ;-)... you made an error many German pupils learning English do, but of course the other way round: to become = werden to get = bekommen So the not-Max-Weber citation translates as "when one asks a dumb question, then one gets a dumb answer.". Bye, Uli ======================================================================== From: Andrea@hivnet.ubc.ca Date: Mon, 10 May 93 10:56:53 PDT Subject: The Crusade Hi! Our choir was on its retreat (two solid days of rehearsing!) this week- end and I gave _Warpaint_ to our Vannagon driver and got her to play it on the way home... to rave reviews! That's five more people heading off to Black Swan records here in Vancouver to buy some of Happy's stuff. I sure hope the bus we're taking to Calgary next month has a stereo! There's 70 people in our choir so I'm hoping for mass conversion. P.S. A happy belated Mother's Day to all to whom it may apply! Andrea. ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)