Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #240 ecto, Number 240 Friday, 15 May 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* half asleep thoughts Tori Poem... (fwd) Poem... Tori on Dennis Miller Cats? re:Tori, AnD my HPB selection - Breeze On Alice's Adventures in Kidvidland, and other stories When in LA... Crucfy, UK single in 2 weeks My Half-Life as a Wordsmith and other stories ======================================================================== Date: 14-MAY-1992 02:56:10.90 From: Valerie Nozick Subject: half asleep thoughts in the midst of doing lots of cutting and pasting for a set design, i found myself staring at my exacto knife. but i couldn't recall what it was called...all i could think of was 'ecto knife'. i had to ask a friend (who luckily is familiar with ecto, so as to avoid the stares of incomprehension) what the thing was called. and yes, the knife is blue. so i guess i'm now the proud owner of the happy rhodes ecto knife, good for cutting open the cd packages. i think i'd better get some sleep... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Valerie Nozick "And if I die today, I'll be the happy phantom" vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu --Tori Amos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ======================================================================== From: my friend my moon Date: Thu, 14 May 1992 09:08:10 EDT Subject: Tori Managed to catch Tori on Dennis Miller by pure coincidence...just barely got the tape in the machine :) Wow, a very sexy lady...I was just waiting for her to slide right off the end of her piano bench. :) She did that one they play on MTV and Crucify...sorry mind is mush this morning :) She's very flirtatious with her piano playing, I couldn't decide if she was trying to seduce the audience or seduce her bench.. maybe both. I liked the two live versions much better than the album versions tho Crucify is much more powerful in the album imho. I did notice she had almost the same facial expressions that Kate puts on...i can't say exactly what that means...something about the way they smile and sing...cept Kate beats Tori by a mile with expressing emotions through the eyes, guess it's those large expressive eyes. Anyway I was thoroughly impressed with Tori's live performance...but Happy still beats her by a landslide ;) kIrI -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Black room mirror echoes hargieka@craft.camp.clarkson.edu< > Warm blood tickles ebony lips Kirstin A. Hargie (kIrI)< > tear the cracking bone asunder "Just another 20-something< > set to grovel screams Gothic." < > fire whips < ----------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== From: Jeanne B Schreiter Subject: Poem... (fwd) Date: Thu, 14 May 92 9:39:33 CDT Forwarded message: ======================================================================== From: shark@CS.UCLA.EDU (Jeanne B. Schreiter) Subject: Poem... Date: Wed, 13 May 92 18:06:24 PDT 5-12-1992 No title It felt like marriage engaged in a kiss of passion so tender like the daisies and the velvet touch of the tulips that grew next to the house Natural like the sun that beams down into the hearts of two people when they make love for all the right reasons The pot of ripe tomato sauce seasoned by herbs and onions sharp and tart sweet like baked apples for dessert soft like the inside of fresh italian bread she eats the core he eats the crust Seems like a match made by karma, perhaps, horoscopes that come true fortune cookies of the gods Maybe it was just me or you Whatever it is I like it -JB Schreiter ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Tori on Dennis Miller Date: Thu, 14 May 92 12:22:18 EDT Hi, kIrI writes: >Managed to catch Tori on Dennis Miller by pure coincidence...just barely >got the tape in the machine :) Wow, a very sexy lady... Indeed...I was taken by her use of breathing to make the songs more sensual... > I liked the two live versions much better than the album >versions tho Crucify is much more powerful in the album imho. I will not agree with you here. I like both versions a lot. >I did notice she had almost the same facial expressions that Kate puts >on...i can't say exactly what that means...something about the way they >smile and sing... Thinking about it, I (shame on me) haven't seen the KaTe Live videos, so I can't compare. BUT, the way she sings 'Chai-ai-ai-ai-ns' and 'plea-ea-ea-se' in Crucify, are definitely KaTe-like. >thoroughly impressed with Tori's live performance...but Happy still beats >her by a landslide ;) Agreed. Although I enjoy listening to Tori's music over and over again, it somehow doesn't click the way Happy's music does... BUT, her version of 'Smells like teen spirit' really hits the nail on the head. Angelos ------- 'I'm worse at what I do best, and for this gift I feel blessed' ======================================================================== Date: 14-MAY-1992 13:40:09.33 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Cats? Hi! "Rendered up the spout". Mitch, Mitch, Mitch............................ Well, uh, I'm sure you'll keep us posted as to the progress of this cat's proposed pregnancy, if not at least her sex life. ;) Well, if Happy ever gets around to reading some Ecto-Digests, I'm sure she'll be highly amused by this one! :) ====================================================================== |Meredith Tarr "Get to the point you sappy wimps| |Wesleyan University I haven't got a lifetime | |Middletown, CT Simplicity is beauty | |USA, Earth Are there poets less sublime?" | |mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu -Happy Rhodes | ====================================================================== ======================================================================== From: my friend my moon Date: Thu, 14 May 1992 14:04:19 EDT Subject: re:Tori, AnD my HPB selection - Breeze >Managed to catch Tori on Dennis Miller by pure coincidence...just barely >got the tape in the machine :) Wow, a very sexy lady... >>Indeed...I was taken by her use of breathing to make the songs more sensual... Thanks for mentioning this Angelos. I thought that it was a really nice element to her music. But, I found it incredibly distracting after a while. It's nice when a musician can add these extra elements to their performance, but in her case I just wanted to hand her a ventilator. :) :) :) >I did notice she had almost the same facial expressions that Kate puts >on...i can't say exactly what that means...something about the way they >smile and sing... >>Thinking about it, I (shame on me) haven't seen the KaTe Live videos, so >>I can't compare. BUT, the way she sings 'Chai-ai-ai-ai-ns' and 'plea-ea-ea-se' >>in Crucify, are definitely KaTe-like. Yes!!! Blatantly Kate like..thanks again for mentioning that. :) I knew there were a couple things I forgot to mention about the performance, and you nailed them both. BTW as an aside: I finally picked out my song for the HBP. It's from an album called Woman Talk: Caribbean Dub Poetry. No it's not some feminist rambling, tho the lyrics sometime smack of aggression against man. I am going to play a song called Get Back it's by a Trinidadian dub poet named Breeze. The music is sort of a mix of calypso, reggae, and pure dub poetry. The album is simply brilliant...if you like reggae music, or calypso at all I think you'll love the song, if you're not sure about calypso et.al I think you'll enjoy the song anyway. It's an angry song, but IMHO it's absolutely brilliant. These women are the "sisters" of music in the Caribbean in many of the same ways that Kate, Happy, Tori etc. are 'sisters' of "alternative" music. The song "Get Back" is an attack on Jamaican DJ's, whose often-slack lyrics have threatened to forestall the developing feminist consciousness amongst Jamaican women. Anyway I hope y'all enjoy the song. kIrI -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Black room mirror echoes hargieka@craft.camp.clarkson.edu< > Warm blood tickles ebony lips Kirstin A. Hargie (kIrI)< > tear the cracking bone asunder "Just another 20-something< > set to grovel screams Gothic." < > fire whips < ----------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: 14 May 1992 13:46:18 CDT From: Subject: On Alice's Adventures in Kidvidland, and other stories A couple days ago, while reading the day's incoming ecto postings, in- cluding my own, it crept up on me that if I had it to do over, I would have given the above title to my denial of having unconsciously inspired Angelos' idea for building a cartoon show around the characters in Happy's monster artwork. (Which should not be confused with my present denial of intent to try to say things in as few sentences as possible, even if it means pack- ing every one of them to the fullest :-).) Well, now I've managed to work it in, so I can relax WRT that issue. Be that as is may, I now find myself facing the same issue again, and this time it appears that the unconscious inspiration is for real. Valerie's musing about her ecto knife seems to be building on a notion that I spoke of in pass- ing a half-year or so ago, about something called an X-ecto knife. On the other hand, the outcome of my vision wasn't blue, so Valerie gets full credit for that innovation. Then again, I don't think they make the Exakta line of photo equipment anymore, so I don't think I could get as far as I would have 25 or 30 years ago in proposing the addition of EXECTO cameras, lenses, enlargers, etc. to our extended line of goods. Ain't fallibility grand? (It occurs to me, however, that one needs to be careful around this unconscious inspiration stuff; I recollect that a number of prominent singer-songwriters have gotten sued over it. It may be just as well that we on ecto are not, by nature, a litigious bunch of bastards, as my old bwana in the legal research game used to put it :-).) The late, legendary baseball owner Bill Veeck wrote in his autobiography, "I have always hated to go to bed for fear I'll miss something." The accounts of Tori Amos' guest shot on Dennis Miller have reminded me that you don't have to go to bed to miss something. The irony of it all is that I was awake when the show was on, only I had no idea that there'd be any reason to watch. It scarcely seems consolation, in retrospect, that I managed to catch the last episode of _Friday Night Videos_, featuring a live appearance by Wilson Philips. (Apparently they no longer routinely shove Carnie into the back- ground, which may be an interesting development _per se_, but hardly of the same cosmic sigificance as the emergence of the Miller show as the one to watch for what the late Walter Winchell would have termed chantootsies in the Kate/Sarah/Tori genre.) Between Jane, Enya and now Tori on the one hand, and Carly, Carnie, Wendy and Chynna on the other, the rest of you have clearly gotten the better deal. If only I can stay awake when Happy Does Dennis (sounds vaguely pornographic, I know, but you get the general idea :-) ). It has occurred to me (as do all too many things these days, I'm sure many of you are thinking by now :-) ) that if my idea for display advertising in the Zine for ecto products ever gets off the ground (in theory, I should have an aptitude for copywriting in this connection, but nothing of the sort seems to occur to me in the short run, which should be reassurance in its own right that not _everything_ occurs to me :-) ), the logical next step would be _faux_ radio commercials for said wares. Perhaps such things could eventually be worked into some future edition of our semiannual audio _festschrift_, the Happy Solstice/Bday projects. Should our project list eventually make the jump to video, maybe so could the commercials. NPR just reported that the Feds have decided to permit logging in the spotted owl areas. I mention this chiefly so I can point to some degree of reality content in my postings, amid all the flights of fancy. :-) By the same token, it reminds me of one of the more imaginative bits of ad copy I've seen in a while. It is for a local restaurant called Hooters, whose icon seems to be an owl juxtaposed with a bimbo :-), and whose live-action shticks report- edly include the waitresses spontaneously sitting down with male customers and asking them how their work day is going. But to make a long story longer, they have just started putting ads on bus sides, with the slogan "THIS AD GOOD FOR ONE FREE BEVERAGE. ONLY ONE BUS PER CUSTOMER," or words to that effect. Some- how, I find it reassuring that even those with weird ideas about women can have a way with words. I don't know why. On the other hand, it is also possible that Hooters restaurant is more sympathetic toward owls than some segments of Big Logging. I don't know if that's really true or not. I have often found Jeanne's contributions to these pages pleasing, but for some reason I am unusually conscious of having such a reaction to her posting today. "Whatever it is, I like it." :-) It occurs to me (there he goes again, you say :-) ) that if ecto ever challenges gaffa to a Poetry Slam, a clear choice emerges for our point person. I'm tired, and I'm under the weather, and I've got other work to do, so I will trust to luck that future opportunities will present themselves to men- tion whatever it is that I've forgotten to expound on at this writing. There invariably is something. Mitch Pravatiner ________________________________________________ "I hear America snarfing." --not Walt Whitman "Well, it's good for people to laugh." --Calvin Coolidge (quoted in J.D. Barber, _The Presidential Character_) ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: On Alice's Adventures in Kidvidland, and other stories Date: Thu, 14 May 92 17:04:01 EDT To the best of my knowledge, Mitch wrote: :) > It has occurred to me (as do all too many things these days, I'm sure many >of you are thinking by now :-)) that if my idea for display advertising in the >Zine for ecto products ever gets off the ground It is already in flight...and its landing is up to editorial approval. Note: The good thing about dense posts is that you can't skim them, you *have* to read them, so there...:) Angelos +=====================================+ |'My ears have parasites'-hApPy RhOdEs| +=====================================+ ======================================================================== From: shark@cs.ucla.edu (Jeanne B. Schreiter) Subject: When in LA... Date: Thu, 14 May 92 15:14:01 PDT As a request, I'm making a special post. This afternoon, I had my first taste of sushi. In particular wasabi sauce (a horseradish..HOT HOT if you eat too much of it or place too much in your soy sauce.) and then dip the rest of your meal..rice and sushi and seaweed in the sauce. As a Midwest native (Wisconsin), being brought up on beer and bratwurst, sushi wasn't my first choice. And since leaving Wisconsin, becoming a vegetarian (not necessarily in that order), raw fish just doesn't suit my appetite. I should mention here that I don't eat fish either, never have. Until today. As a recommendation, I say try it at least once. If you don't like it, do not eat it again, but I'll put my plug in here for anyone who comes to visit. Try it just once. Jeanne PS..I'll never eat it raw again. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 15 May 92 0:24:24 EDT From: jessica Subject: Crucfy, UK single in 2 weeks I stopped by my local record store today.. it's the kind of store that has lots of intersting stuff, and brings it to record shows.. Anyway, i asked if they had anything interesting tori-wise at the moment (we got our winter limited editions there) and they said no, but there will be a Crucify UK single in 2 weeks - it will have more unreleased tracks on it. Cool beans! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Date: 15 May 1992 13:08:13 CDT From: Subject: My Half-Life as a Wordsmith and other stories Been awhile since I've inadvertently set off the intensity of reaction to anything I've said that I seem to have inadvertently set off with my "rendered up the spout" remark the other day. Last night, I was hit with the recollection of the last time I can recall it happening. In 1974 (making this one of my relatively few distant memories to have its genesis within the lifetime of most Ectoians), I was reporting to my History of American Sociological Theory class on the work of the eminent 1920's sociologist W.I. Thomas. After summarizing what the lectures and read- ings had reported about his life and research, I went on to relate what the instructor in my demography course the previous year--almost a contemporary of W.I--had said about W.I's professional Waterloo. It seems that the work of Thomas and his wife (especially the latter) in the World War I-era peace movement had incurred the displeasure of Henry Ford, William Randolph Hearst, and others of their ilk. To put the screws on W.I., the legend goes, Hearst engaged a woman to lure him up to her hotel room, where a photographer was planted in the closet. Upon the predetermined signal, the woman (my words) DROPPED HER SOCKS, _ET AL_, the photographer captured the desired parts of the scenario, the _San Francisco Examiner_ plastered the photo on an early page, and Thomas's career was toasted (in the Rhodesian sense). I hope no moral reactionaries with respect to adolescent sexuality are reading this. If I ever read that they're preaching abstinence with the statement that "If you drop your socks, _et al_, you risk being rendered up the spout," I'll explore the possibilities of suing them for plagiarism. I share Jeanne's pleasure at having been turned on to sushi. It happened to me in New York in 1980, and ever since I've considered it Kafkaesque what the usual processing does to tuna (of the canned variety). Court, I've just put a bunch of tapes for you in the mail, as per your appeal in January. The mailing shop says they should arrive in 7 to 10 days. They didn't say how much longer if the Irish postal strike spreads to Wales. Meredith (and all others), just a reminder that Garrison Keillor is doing his show live from Bangor tomorrow (6PM EDT on public radio). Angelos, thanks for the kind words about how the information conent comes through so well in my writings, after the reader has been stimulated to work at it. Anything to promote literacy among the masses :-). Mitch ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)