Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #495 ecto, Number 495 Friday, 19 March 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Maniacs and Poetry To(yester)day's your birthday friends... I have a heart (thank goodness!) HaPpY Birthday Sig Terra Incognita Happy Birthday to Alan Sodoma Anna Domino (was: Music, or Neile's buying binge) Happy Birthdays Re: Some Notes A HIT, A PALPABLE HIT! Re: I have a heart (thank goodness!) translitteralization *SHEER HAPPYNESS!!!* Lene Lovich/Nina Hagen Connections Shona Laing Today's your birthday friends.... ======================================================================== Date: 18 Mar 1993 22:41:30 -0500 (EST) From: METH@delphi.com Subject: Maniacs and Poetry Hi! Drewcifer opines: }And I'm well aware of "fudge necessity," so please don't }patronize me. I had no intention of patronizing you, I was merely pointing something out. }> WHAT????? "Scorpio Rising" is "anemic and colorless"? Oh, } }No, it's not. I had forgotten that track. :) Just as long as we're clear that it is in reality far from "anemic and colorless"... :) }I think it's a perfect case of mediocre (at best) songwriting }spotlighted by too-slick production. 'Twas the production on }Wishing Chair I loathed; the songs needed a bit more body in the }arrangements, and they would have been fine. I should have }clarified the anemic/colorless comment. Yes, you should have. I think the arrangements on _The Wishing Chair_ are wonderfully simple, as befitting the style of music they were producing then. I believe that was John Lombardo's doing, if nothing else- the first John and Mary album has the same feel (haven't heard the new one yet, so I can't comment on it). In one sense the Maniacs lost a lot when he left the band, but they recovered well. }> Go listen to "Jezebel" and "I'm Not The Man" again with the }> lyrics in your hand, and see if you still feel that way. } }I just did. I still feel that way. Jezebel: the lyrics are }almost as good as her earlier work (I'm docking her for being }too eager to tell where she used to show), but the music sounds }like it was pieced together from two different songs that were }better apart. There's too wide a gap; the mood is shredded. I first heard this song performed live last May, and it's precisely that musical dichotomy within the song that drew me to like it. Once I had the album and could figure out what the lyrics were, I loved it. The speaker in the song is trapped in a relationship where she is forced to act one way yet feel the exact opposite emotions of what she is showing: that struggle is reflected in the two different musical styles within the song itself. The abrupt change in tempo and mood adds to the power of the desolate mood of the song as a whole. }I'm Not The Man: excellent lyrics (spoiled only by questionable }use of personal pronouns), but the melody lacks interest. Both }songs lack drive and fullness, and neither affects me the way }the earlier material did. Yeah, okay, the melody is a little bit bland, but this goes back again to the music reflecting the mood of the song's subject. There this poor guy is, it's his last night on Death Row, and he's replaying the events in his head over and over "until the cinderblocks can breathe". The way Natalie sings it is what attracted me first to this song- I don't think she moved her lips once while recording it, from the sound of it. She sounds so defeated and deflated, just like I would imagine I would feel, were I in the same situation. And the song is in the first person, so of course there's going to be a perfusion of personal pronouns. If it weren't from the personal point of view, it would lose all of its power and most of its meaning. }I think so. I think she's quite beautiful in a wholly Schnopic }sort of way...which is, of course, the best way. I'd gathered that, from your reactions to opinions that differ from yours... Alan Ezust proffers: } However, it is only recently that I tried reading Kate Bush }lyrics as poetry, and it's not easy.. Kate Bush lyrics do not }scan - they have no rhyme or meter, and it's obvious by the way }she stretches one syllable over 5 notes. Yes it works with her }music, but I would call it prose more than poetry, myself. Gee, Alan, then by your count poetry went out of style years ago! ;) I submit for your approval one of my favorite bits of poetry of all time: "Take away the love and the anger And a little piece of hope holding us together Looking for a moment that'll never happen Living in the gap between past and future Take away the stone and the timber And a little piece of rope won't hold it together." Kate Bush "Love and Anger" So what if it's not in perfect iambs and fits some preordained rhyme scheme? It is still a collection of words beautifully brought together to encite some emotion in the reader, and that, IMESHO, defines poetry. There are countless examples in Kate's lyrics, but this is the one that stands out the most in my mind. Meredith meth@delphi.com "I know life is a relative term" HTR Pick any song from The Kick Inside and you'll see > what I mean. Kate is a musical genius, yes. An awesome storyteller, of > course, but a good poet, NOT!! Oh. My. Tree. I don't know where you learned about poetry (for all I know you have a Ph.D (Eeeeep! Sorry for those stray 7 lines up there- I have NO CLUE where they came from, and on this mailer I can't delete them...) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 1:40:02 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: To(yester)day's your birthday friends... HAPPY (belated) BIRTHDAY to Alan Sodoma!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Barry Wong!! Vickie ps, and Happy (belated) annivarsary for the Albany concert! ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 2:59:53 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: I have a heart (thank goodness!) Wow, I had an awfully strange day. I had chest pains in the morning and was told by my doctor to go to the emergency room. I did, and spent 7 hours in the ER hooked up to machines. They ran a bunch of tests and even gave me an IV for some reason. It sounds dramatic, but it was really boring. Thank goodness they didn't want to keep me overnight. I *hate* hospitals! I hadn't set foot in a hospital since my mother died in one in 1982. Everyone was really nice, but no one told me anything. I'll talk to my doctor tomorrow though. I'm sure I'll get a lecture, which I deserve, but even worse, I dread going to work. I have papers from the hospital, but I don't know if it will matter to them. They don't like me much anyway, and missing a day might be used as an excuse to fire me. Sorry, I'm just really, really depressed. I feel as if I wasted the time of the people at the hospital, because of course, I didn't have pains or anything unusual while I was there. I just feel stupid for going, and missing work for nothing. Blah blah blah, I'll be ok, I just needed to dump my frustrations, sorry. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 08:34:59 +0000 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthday Here's wishing Happy Birthdays to Geoff Carre on 20th March and Bob Brown on 22nd March. Have great days folks, Peace Terry =============================================================================== Only in yor eyes lies your soul..............................................HR _ __ _ __ / `-' ( ,,, Jolly Hockeysticks / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' Terry (Tel Boy) Partis \_.-._( ''' _ __ (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) _ __ / `-' ( ,,, With a smile and a song / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] I'm HaPpY | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' \_.-._( ''' Let me sleep awhile and dream of Avalon and the Beltane fires.................. ............................................our souls entwined for all eternity ================================================================================ ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 08:45:23 +0000 From: Terry Partis Subject: Sig I've decided on a HAPPY line to add to my signature below, it seems to go well with the other quotation that I have at the end of my Sig. I guess I'm just a silly old sentimentalist at heart!! Terry =============================================================================== Only in your eyes lies your soul.............................................HR _ __ _ __ / `-' ( ,,, Jolly Hockeysticks / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' Terry (Tel Boy) Partis \_.-._( ''' _ __ (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) _ __ / `-' ( ,,, With a smile and a song / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] I'm HaPpY | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' \_.-._( ''' Let me sleep awhile and dream of Avalon and the Beltane fires.................. ............................................our souls entwined for all eternity ================================================================================ ======================================================================== Subject: Terra Incognita Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 09:15:04 +0000 From: Stephen Thomas I was listening to Warpaint last night, consoling myself that next month I should have some spare cash to order Equipoise (BTW, how much should UK ectophiles send? Do we send Dollars or Sterling? Help!), and I was struck by something in Terra Incognita. You know that bit in the latter third, where Happy sounds like she's describing something to someone over a telephone, or into a hand-held dictaphone. She seems to be saying something like (this is from memory, so is pretty hazy) "... a [dragon? creature?] .... turning into an oriental man travelling through time .... he wants to get back, but I'm telling him he's going to have to do it himself." What is this about? Is Happy relating a fragment of a dream she had? (sounds like that to me) Or is she talking about something else? Whenever I hear it, I'm put in mind of "Tea With The Black Dragon", by R.A.MacAvoy, a most enchanting book. Can anyone enlighten me? Keep well, Stephen ======================================================================== From: Steve Fagg Subject: Happy Birthday to Alan Sodoma Date: Thu, 18 Mar 93 9:13:45 BST Many *HAPPY* returns of today to Alan Sodoma, our Lucky Lurker. Alan, I assume you are *NOT* the Alan Sodoma who works for NT-NAS in Rochester... or are you? -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 12:58:55 +0100 From: drotschm@eos.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Wolfgang Drotschmann) Hallo! Belatedly thank you all for the warm and encouraging welcome on Ecto. Hey Greg --- I'm a bit clueless about footah, too, and I will follow further comments and clues about it very carefully! :-) Hi Vickie! You'll still have to wait for my impressions about _equipoise_ :) I think I will have another session with it, now with a much closer look on the lyrics, because I'm familiar with the songs and sounds now. As I told you, my Happy collection is complete. But I didn't have the time even to hear all of them a couple of time. Although, _Ecto_ is (like yours) my favourite album. And Meredith :) Wo hast Du Deine Sporen in Deutsch verdient? ;-) Where did you learn German? I'm always a bit surprised to hear (lets better say read here) things on the wide InterNet in my mothertongue. Oh, I'm sorry, I think it should be called "Oberstleutnant" and not "Oberleutnant". But I'm not sure: I've never been there... Tja Dirk, there seem to be many more German Ectophiles on the Net --- more than we think! May be there will be a chance to have a meeting with all of them sometimes? One of them I hope to meet soon: Hey Klaus! I will be at the Suzanne Vega concert in D"usseldorf. We should make an appointment there :) Okay, the weekend starts here... Ciao, Wolfgang ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 13:24:22 +0100 From: drotschm@eos.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Wolfgang Drotschmann) Subject: Anna Domino (was: Music, or Neile's buying binge) Wolfgang here... Neile, who was on a binge, wrote... -} Yes, I've been on a binge lately. I'm still celebrating (or at -} least that's my excuse). Prost! 8-) Are you still celebrating? :) ...and is still happy about... -} I also found out that I'm getting a local Arts Commission grant to -} support me over the summer!! (I have a 10 months a year job) :) -} :) :) It comes late, but: Congratulations! Enviable. ...but fears a bad ending: -} Boy, good luck comes in patches! Now I can spend those 8 weeks -} writing instead of looking for freelance editing work. Yes, it's -} true, I am really lucky. I'm a little nervous, though, waiting for -} this luck to end. This reminded my instantly of a part of a song. "If it doesn't rain and the train's on time if you're out at night and you don't commit a crime don't trust your luck luck has never served the righteous" The beginning of the second verse of a song called ---you guess it!--- "luck". It's on _colouring the edge and the outline_ from Anna Domino. Anybody who knows her? She's one of my favourite female artists :-) So Neile... be aware ;-) Ciao, Wolfgang ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 14:45:20 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Happy Birthdays Happy Birthday, Barry Wong, today's your day! Happy Birthday, Graham Dombkins, today's your day, too! Happy Birthday, Geoff Carre, tomorrow's your day (hey, it's springtime) Dirk P.S.: Oooops, Fee Waybill COMPLAINED about the smoke, of course. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ || \\\\\ || ///// | dkastens@dosuni1.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE || ))))) IRK || ((((( ASTENS | "Music's the way, the only way I know" || ///// || \\\\\ | Happy Rhodes ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 07:31:01 MST From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Re: Some Notes To Bob Lovejoy and all Ectophiles, On Sunday, they'll be at WMMR for a taping to be aired a week later. Whenever these segments are aired, I'll be taping. Doug, if I send the tapes to you, can you handle the dubs? Please e-mail me... I can do so very, very easily. This goes for anyone else who captures stops on her radio tour. Let's record all of them! Just send the tapes to me, and anyone who does will get their choice of _two_ free tapes from the dubbing project! As usual, I'll keep everyone informed when tapes are added to my list. Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 10:07:05 EST From: Chris Sampson Subject: A HIT, A PALPABLE HIT! .----------------------------------------------------------------------. | ROSENCRANTZ: | |. | | |\| | Both your majesties might, by the sovereign | |\| | power you have of us, put your dread pleasures | |\| | more into command than to entreaty. | |\| `-----------------------------------------------------------------------'\| \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\| `------------------------------------------------------------------------' Hello, all, Chris Sampson, your friendly electrogustometrist, here....replies to that forthcoming. Never being able to avoid a pedantic debate, I just HAD to toss my $.02 in... >> So where does Ophelia fit into it? >>>She's Hamlet's sister. >No, Ophelia was Laertes' sister, and Polonius' daughter. Correct. > She was, in a sense, >Hamlet's girlfriend, although he acted rather discourteously towards her in >the course of the play. Of course, this was primarily because Hamlet knew >Ophelia was helping Polonius to spy on him for the benefit of the King and >Queen. Hmmmmmmmmm, *I* always thought she was more like Hamlet's betrothed. Furthermore, I believe (not "I know") that his roughness with her was more a function of: a) His obsession with the avenging of his father's death. b) His need to appear "mad" (though, we find out, "there's a method to it") I never got the impression that Ophelia was, in any way, involved in the intrigue. In fact, I believe she wasn't taken very seriously by any one, least of all, Polonius. She is, IMHO, the *only* innocent in the play (including Ros and Guil), hence Hamlet's insistance (ironic) that she should get herself to a nunnery (a double entendre,there, I believe, as nunnery was also a synonym for bordello, cf. Hamlet's disillusionment with Gertrude). >P.S. As an aside to Jeff: You mention in your synopsis that Hamlet wanted to >kill both the King (his uncle) and the Queen (his mother) to avenge his >father's murder. I disagree. I don't believe he ever intends to kill >Gertrude. The only scene that comes close to making this statement is the one >in which he forces her to look at the two lockets (his [of his father], and >hers [of Claudius]). Some say he rapes his mother in this scene, some say he's >violent with her. At the very least, it's open to interpretation. However, he >doesn't murder her, and I don't believe he ever intends to. I only mention >this because there's been so much implied regarding his "Oedipal" relationship >with his mother. For the most part, I find this interpretation lacks validity. I agree. He *is* rough with her, but, I think more towards the end of relieving his frustration with what she has allowed to become of herself (vis a vis swooning over Claudius) "[some quote regarding swiftness and incestuous sheets]" and with "turning her eyes inward". He at once loves her (in more than a son-like manner???? I dunno, but almost got that impression from the recent video) and is incredibly disappointed etc. with her. EDITORIAL: *I* liked the Mel Gibson/Glenn Close version. Mel showed some substance which we, unfortunately, have been led to believe didn't exist. If you liked any of the Hamlets (including the version you read in high school) and have a sense of the absurd, see the Tim Roth/Gary Oldman movie version of Tom Stoppard's "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead". Stoppard also did the screenplay, and added a bunch of stuff. Absolutely wonderful....oh yeah, and Richard Dreyfuss has a role in it too. .----------------------------------------------------------------------. ./| GUILDENSTERN: | | |/| | | |/| But we both obey, and here give up ourselves | | |/| in the full bent to lay our service freely at | Chris Sampson | |/| your feet, to be commanded. | chris@neuron.uchc.edu | |/`-----------------------------------------------------------------------' |///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// `------------------------------------------------------------------------' ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 08:58:49 EST From: ken@startek.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: I have a heart (thank goodness!) Actually Vickie it was probably a good idea to go to the hospital. And I'd give brownie points to your doctor too. Think about this for a minute, when was the last time you heard of a woman having a heart attack? Hmm? I never had until I saw an article about the fact that women *do*have*heart*attacks* and the point the article was trying to make was that even doctors get so used to thinking about men & heart attacks that they don't make the connection between chest pains and heart attacks in women. Every once in a while I have chest pains and it always scares me. I have never gone to the hospital immediately for it (and I always call myself a fool), but I'm only 25 for pete's sake! It can't be a heart attack (so I tell myself). I did go in for an EKG once after the fact when I was in high school. That was probably the worst I'd ever felt, I had the sense of doom and difficulty breathing, felt like my chest was in a vise. The person sitting next to me (who didn't know me) asked me if I was okay because I looked green... but the EKG was completely normal afterwards. It doesn't help that I'm somewhat of a hypochondriac :^) -ken ======================================================================== Date: 19 Mar 93 10:47:36 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: translitteralization I have no doubt that due to digestive delays someone will beat me with Hawaiian punch, but nonetheless I will translate for the devil: +> > We no longer ask whether it is the Insider or the Outsider who has +> > monopolistic or privileged access to social truth; instead, we begin +> > to consider their distinctive and interactive roles in the process +> > of truth seeking." - Merton +> +> 8-) Mitch! What a perfect and incredibly appropriate quote! Good +> quoting dude! + +A rare occurrence is about to...er, occur. Watch closely as Drewcifer +admits ignorance. + +Silly me. I is a dumb little English/Cog Sci major with nary a brain in +sight. I'd be much obliged if someone would clarify the role of this +quote in resolving our dispute. Simply put, what Mitch's quotee is saying is that both the informed, and the uninformed, the naiive and the saveee, the ignorant and the knowledgeable have a (n equally) important role in discussing, analyzing, and disseminating ideas, information, and knowledge. Not only that, but their roles may be interactive... this is how the truth be gotten. So you don't need to know about something to contribute to the public intelligence about it. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: 19 Mar 1993 12:03:12 U From: "Chris Waite" Subject: *SHEER HAPPYNESS!!!* Subject: Time:11:46 AM OFFICE MEMO *SHEER HAPPYNESS!!!* Date:3/19/93 *Wow* *Wow* !!! Guess what I bought yesterday!!! (Yeah!) Equipoise!!! (good guess!) I LOVE IT!!!! I wanted to buy it in a store in New York City because I was so upset that they did such a bad job of carrying her stuff...but when I dropped by Tower (uptown) they were packed with Happyness!!! I had to buy Equipoise! I have called Tower for weeks now seeing if Equipoise has come in...and it unexpectedly had!!! Well, I left the store kind of happy and sad...happy that I had her CD ( I know I could have ordered it straight from AG, but I wanted to buy it from the store, so that the store would know that people will go there and buy Happyness)....I was kind of sad because I don't have a cd player.....luckily, I passed the WIZ....and fortunately, they had two store models that were on sale really cheap. I asked if I could listen to how they sounded...(and fortunately I had Happy's CD with me to listen to...) To try out how well it taped...he stuck in a blank tape and taped "Runners"...He asked all about her and I told her that Tower has all six of her CDs...When "The Flight" came on...everyone in the store started doing the Bat Dance...not quite like Happy can do it...but moving around while they walked...it was so neat... Now I'm at work listening to Happy and I'm very *happy!* Well, that's my happy story for the day... Vickie, I for one am very grateful that you went to the hospital...I don't want Chicago to lose not only its best tour guide, but its best music guide as well!!! Hope you're feeling better today!!! Christine :) ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 19 Mar 93 13:15:50 EST Subject: Lene Lovich/Nina Hagen Connections Angelos says > Woooah! (exclamation) I didn't know of these!!! Are they in the > discography? > The only Nina/Lene connection besides the PETA songs I was aware of, Well, they're not in the Lene discography dated 2/1/93 that I was send (and noticed yours and Vickie's names on!) Lene & Nina have been associated musically, and been friends (from what I hear), since the late 70s when they were both struggling artists. That was why Nina was able to have a simultaneous release of Lene's Lucky Number back on Lene's STATELESS & Nina's NINA HAGEN BAND. Beyond the official vocal appearance of Lene on Nina's EKTASY, I understand that they both did a number of anonymous appearances on each other albums including some of Nina's more recent stuff, which I don't have ;-( I can tape the tracks for you sometime if you'd like. The EKTASY cuts aren't so hot, but the Nina's cover of Lucky Number is awesome! Actually all of her early German stuff is some really great rock (NINA HAGEN BAND, UNBEHAGEN), and well worth the listen despite not knowing German! *************************MICHAEL BLACKMORE************************** "I'm talking to myself, talking to myself. I'm my own radio!" - Nina Hagen, Universal Radio Michael B (michaelb@ksgrsch.harvard.edu) ***************A TRADITIONAL OF EXCELLENCE SINCE 1963*************** ======================================================================== Subject: Shona Laing From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 06:37:52 GMT Is there someone in Ectoland who can tell me a bit about singer Shona Laing (sp?)? Somehow I have the impression that I read a bit about her, and it probably was here. A week ago I bought an interview CD ("Plain talking") from Manfred Mann, and he mentioned that she did vocals on the one song from MM's Earth Band that I don't have ("I who have nothing"). It was only released as a single, and I didn't have the money to buy it at that time. So I waited for the new album, just to find out that it was not included. It has never been released again. I've heard it on the radio at that time (must have been 8 years ago), and I really liked that song. It also was the first song with female vocals for MMsEB. Of course, if one of you has this song please let me know. All what I have of it are faded (and fading) memories and I would love to refresh them. ___________________________________________________________ . * | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | _ . * .* . | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | (_) . | --- Happy Rhodes --- | . . o | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge klaus@inphobos.w.open.de | <== ======================================================================== Subject: Today's your birthday friends.... From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 06:37:22 GMT i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *************** ***HAPPY******* ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* ******************* ***** Barry Wong ****** *** Graham Dombkins *** *********************** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Graham Dombkins Fri March 19 1965 Pisces Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham John Baker Tue March 24 1964 Berkeley Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Marc Power Sun March 30 1958 The Project Warpaint Mon April 1 1991 Brilliant! Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Unicorn Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.w.open.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)