Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #489 ecto, Number 489 Tuesday, 16 March 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Two new FAQ's sent :) Shifting to an alternate life Seasonal segues redux Lots of things Catching up... Re: Snow Story MSG and The Story About Hamlet & Field of Dreams (etc) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 20:49:42 +0100 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Two new FAQ's sent :) I love it when I get someone interested in Happy Rhodes. Not norwegians this time but one from Finland and one at Univerity of Durham. BTW I talked to one with contacts in the student-radio at University Of Oslo. I'll send him a tape and some info about Happy Rhodes and The Ecto. Since someone borrowed my copy of Warpaint before the weekend, I've mostly listened to old Genesis. I really love their Trespass album. Hmmm, I got a question about John Mayhew.....he was the drummer until 1973 as Phil Collins replaced him. What happened to him? I got a live-recording from 1973 where he is pictured at the back of the cover - And the text under the pictures says - In memory of John Mayhew or something like that ( I haven't got the album up her in Tromsoe). As far as I come is that he died that year but how? I just love his style of playing! Regards, -- * * *** Yngve Hauge ******* And the summer became the fall ****** ** University of Tromsoe ** I was not ready for the winter ** * yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no ** It makes no difference at all **** *********************** 'Cause I wear boots all summer long * ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 17:04:04 EST From: Alan_Moorse@mts.rpi.edu Subject: Shifting to an alternate life I've had to shift the PR project to an alternate life here on RPI's MTS system for a few days. During the blizzard, the computer center's chillers broke down, and the parts won't arrive until at least tomorrow. One of the casualties of the resulting overheating problem is the machine in which my home directory resides. So if anyone NEW wants to volunteer, you can send me a note here, and I can get those letters out. The rest of the letters will be delayed until my host gets back on its feet. Meanwhile, I finished the PR letter and came in to work Saturday afternoon in the misdt of the blizz to fax it to Kevin. He called back with changes, and it's ready to go. I'll upload it and the new bio sheet Susanne sent me before the first letter goes out. Oh, and a while ago, one or more of the Australian Ectophiles were saying how much they'd rather have a day of our weather than one of theirs during their hothothot spell. Right about now, I'd take 'em up on the trade. sick o' snow alanm ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 16:10:23 CST From: Subject: Seasonal segues redux In Chicago, at least, the snows of the other day have given way to drizzle, and grassy areas everywhere are now soggy but fully visible. So WRT yesterday's bloviations about snow segues: there's now at least one major American city where it would now be logical to segue from Carly Simon's "After the Storm" to Happy's "When The Rain Came Down" to Lou Christie's "Rhapsody in the Rain" just for good measure :-). I have not heard of any major thaws yet in ecto's Middle Atlantic heartland and its surrounding states, but it's entirely plaus- ible that the liquid water will be measurable in inches if the snow melts fast enough. My suggested segue for them is to follow the aforesaid Simon song with "After the Flood" by Lone Justice. As I write this, I'm listening to NPR's account of the mutiny at the New York Post. A testament to the resiliency of the human spirit. I guess I guessed about 25% right on Vickie's guessing game WRT films and Happy's lyrics, though Angelos did think of _Field of Dreams_ before I con- cluded that the connection was attenuated. But if you interpret T&E as the ruminations of the spirits of the dead, as I did not but others do, it's easy to infer a link to the scenario of Shoeless Joe and friends holding batting practice in Kevin Costner's erstwhile cornfield. The link of Closer to Macbeth is less obvious to me; Lady M. was not, IMHO WIVH, cooking up all her evil schemes in reaction to being under the total domination of anyone. She was, in fact, played by Glenn Close in the Gibson remake, but I still think that's a stretch. My narcolepsy must be getting worse. Last night, not only did I sleep thru part of _Northern Exposure_, but most of _World News Now_ as well. But I caught enough of the latter to be confident that their taste in music is as good as ever; both the weather and sports visuals were done to the musical accompaniment of Iris DeMent. Chris' comment about the deletion of references to the Queen from the Australia n citizenship oath reminded me of something I read in the _Australian Parliamen tary Manual_ a couple of years ago, while in search of some datum or other in the realm of comparative government. As of a couple of years ago, at least, the oath of office for the Parliament, and possibly other public offices as well, was listed as pledging allegiance to "her majesty, Queen Victoria," with a footnote at the bottom advising the substitution of the name of "the sovereign for the time being," or words to that effect. It does have a certain quaintness about it :-). In the alternate, maybe it was the local hothothot spells,, whereof Alan spake, talking :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 11:15:26 +1000 From: GRAHAM.G.R.DOMBKINS@bhpmelmsm.bhp.bhpmel04.telememo.au Subject: Lots of things Hi ho all!! I go away for four days (to a great folk festival) and NOW I'm still trying to make my way through the mountain of e-mail/gaffa/rdt/ecto. From the looks of things I'll be posting soon about the "Find Graham a quote" contest :-) I'm not sure about it (did Vicki start this?!) but thanks to ALL those who replied with suggestions. Looks like I'll have to find a quote soon for the sake of my mail box!! :-) Martin sez... >Aural Gratification's "Sales Manager" is apparently still working on >distribution in Australia... having just "procured S.Africa and Spain" (!) >And he says that Tower International are interested, and are there any >Tower stores in Oz... There aren't any on the West coast, .. ChrisB? Graham? >are there any over your side? Nope, we have HMV and Virgin but no Tower Records. I have heard rumours for a long time now that they were going to open in Sydney. I can only hope. Sam Warren sez... >A while back, someone on this list was discussing "Gush Forth My Tears" by >Miranda Sex Garden. Well, I remembered that someone here was quite enamored of >this trio of women, but I don't remember who, and I don't remember what they >said. I just picked up the album "Madra" today (on which is included "Gush >Forth My Tears"). I am quite excited, and find it difficult to work without >the benefit of hearing this disc. But since I have to wait until I get home, >could the fan in question please respond to a couple of quick inquiries? > >1) There are 23 songs on one disc. No timings are listed. Are these songs >each 2:00 long or what? > >2) There was an "extended mix" of "Gush Forth My Tears". Is it a dance song? > >3) What kind of music would you say this is? 1\ Yep lots of short songs (one or two longer ones) 2\ Yes there WAS. I'm told that it's now out of print :-( 3\ I've often said that they work on the principle "If one Enya is good, then 3 Enya's are better!!!" ;-) They arrange old english tunes/poems. It depends on which album you get as to whether they sing a-capella or have simple instrumental backing right through to dance mix. Mitch sez... >Any of our Australian friends have a prediction on the election? NPR says it's >a horse race. No matter how you voted on Saturday it was going to be a donkey vote! ;-) BTW did any of you other Oz ectophiles see the "Santa Claus" and "Lord Rollo" candidates!! Vicki sez... >> ======================================================================== >> Graham Dombkins >> Space for undecided Happy quote. - HR >> ======================================================================== > >It's been *how* long?? C'mon, let's have a contest for Gra to fill this >spot. (Okay, I'm acting totally on my own here, without permission from >Gra, but it seems fun, even if he doesn't choose anything we come up with.) > >I'll start: > :-) So it WAS you Vicki!! :-) I'll let you ALL know soon what it's going to be! The trouble is that while I like them ALL there isn't one that has a special feeling/meaning for me (yet). It'll come soon! 17/3/93 This is one of the longest messages (time-wise) I've written! I started it on the 16/3/93 and now I've just got back to work after seeing Billy Connolly in concert at the State Theater in Sydney last night. Bloody funny show, I was laughing so much it hurt. Chris sez... >Well, John Hewson gambled too much with his controversial GST. The next >few weeks will be very interesting politically. I don't think it was JUST the GST that killed him. Did you ever look deeply at his work place "reforms". He was trying to re-introduce the Master-Servent policy which was finally killed off (or so we thought) 150 years ago. ---- Other things. Oh, Vicki I got you message about Gyan! It's nice to see that you don't mind her music. She's a wonderful person that seems to be missed be the media machine even though her albums have been great. Soooo, now the time has come! Drum roll please! My selection for a Happy quote for my .sig is...... "Reach into your chest. Pull your feelings out" I have kept looking for a quote all day till I noticed I always seem to be on the edge of my seat, anticipating this line when it comes around. I like it! PS. Happy St. Pats day ecto!! ======================================================================== Graham Dombkins GRAHAM.G.R.DOMBKINS@BHPMELMSM.BHP.bhpmel04.telememo.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Hello Earth!! hello Earth..." - KT "I'm out chasing nuns in the yard..." - TA "Reach into your chest. Pull your feelings out" - HR ======================================================================== ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 23:20:56 MET From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: Catching up... Hi! Martin wrote about "Until the End of the World": > As a consolation prize, I went and saw "Until the End of The World" > for the first time instead. Wow! What a film! I absolutely loved it. > Especially all the groovy little 8-years-in-the-future consumer products. > The technology was very realistic ... it put most Hollywood SF to shame. > And the Australian bush landscapes in the last half reminded me very > much of Warburton in central Australia where I was born and raised. > Cool. Great film! I managed to see it three times in a couple of months... There's also a lot of beautifully composed pictures, rivaling the best of Ingmar Bergman. A couple of memorable scenes: Towards the end: Claire is sitting with her video player, beneath a cliff, by a lake in the middle of nowhere. The picture composition is fantastic. I'd love to have a poster of this scene... Also towards the end, the narrator says some like "this disease of images", and meanwhile Claire is photographed against a rising flock of birds. Beautiful, and ironic. Not to speak of the russian search program's computer graphics! :-) Add to this believable technology, good actors, obscure plots and great music... WOW! Much later, Martin writes about: > Re: Picture database > Since discussion has returned to this seemingly neverending topic > (I think I first raised it about 18 months ago!) ... I am happy > to say I am now in a position to do the scanning. Hmm, it seems that at least three ectophiles are willing to do this. May I suggest that you form the "Ecto Subcommittee on Mug Shots" to coordinate the scanning (e.g., it might be nice to have all the pictures in the same format...). Nice initiative, though! Angelos alerts the European ectophiles about Suzanne Vega: > This being her last show in the US (except for one tonight in NJ), European > ectophiles should be alert. I *strongly* urge you to not miss this show. > It is not quite like a Happy Rhodes show, but it comes very close in terms > of diversity, musical and emotional power and fun. Thanks for the alert, though I suspect she isn't coming to Denmark... > And having said that I can start the outline of my PhD thesis, and hope that > in two months the outline will blossom to the final document. ;-) Optimist! :-) Dirk and Tracy helped out with the name of the singer on Tangerine Dream's "Tyger". Thanks! Btw., American ectophiles are recommended to take a look at the new release of "Tyger"... Mitch mentions that Indigo Girls are giving a concert: > Turns out that the Indigo Girls, and an accompanying act to be announced (which > by the law of averages, probably won't be Happy--rats!) will be doing a single > performance on April 20 at Valparaiso University in the Indiana town of the > same name, a longish but still doable drive from Chicago. It will be at 8 PM > (not sure if that's Central or Eastern time) in the Athletics Recreation Center > . They say, "ticket sales begin soon" (how informative :-) ). For more info, > they say, call (219) 464-5233 or -5230. Let me recommend this concert to all of you! I saw Indigo Girls in concert in Copenhagen last November and they were great! The audience managed to call them back on stage so many times they didn't have any prepared material left (the stage hand had even turned off the monitor speakers, thinking the show was finished). So they ended up doing a jam session, including impressive solos by each member of the band... Continuing the discussion on laser harps, Ulrich writes: > I don't think you would need that type of expensive equipment. Think about > something like the scanner checkouts in the supermarket. They use a rotating > laser beam, something like Jarre's laser harp uses too. Now if you take > quick and short 'shots' of the beam, you just have to measure time to find > out what shot got reflected. You won't be able to see any difference on TV or > video, but you also won't be able to do that with your multi-beam-thingy. Ahh, but this cheapskate (:-)) harp cannot tell the position of the player's hand along the "wires", only which wire is touched (and if you watch Jarre, you'll notice that he moves his hands as though the harp could measure this). "My" harp could do that! And there could be a visible diffence too, how about 12 different colors, repeating for each octave (I'm guessing here, I don't know how many strings a harp has per octave). Vickie et al support the much maligned "Blind Man's Zoo": > For reasons unknown and not understood by me, 10M's _Blind Man's Zoo_ > gets relegated to the trash heap a *lot* and I just have to pop up > every now and then and defend it. > > I **LOVE** THIS ALBUM!!! Thanks for speaking up, I've often seen this album but have refrained from buying it because of the frequent bashing... Equipoise status? Just getting better... :-) Jens P. Brage | Dance the circle dance of dreaming, brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | lonely by the crystal sea. /\ | Spin the web of mist and moonlight, \SphereSoft | come, beloved, and follow me. ======================================================================== From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (S. A. Ezust) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 19:16:52 EST Subject: Re: Snow Story Just switched from getting digests to getting bounce-mail.What fun ! I have a program that automatically sorts through my mbox and puts the different list mail into separate mbox files, so it's not too hard for me to get the urgent stuff first, but aaaaaanyway... [In message "Snow Story" on Mar 16, Mike Mendelson writes:] | | First, let me heartily recommend The Story live. Taking | (I believe it was) Alan (???)'s advice, I avoided listening to | their music until the performance. It is pleasing to know you had enough faith to follow my guidance, Grasshopper... :-) | They are two women, who embody all the pretention, political | correctness, disdain and glory of the artsy alternative class (right down | to the black buckle boots) Excellent review, MJM! I couldn't have said it better m'self. | chord of any kind. The guitar and vocalese reminded me distinctly | of Joni Mitchell -- this is undoubtedly a style a mode a sound that | took numbers of years to evolve Actually, Jonatha reminds me more of Suzanne Vega than Joni Mitchell.. I always thought of Joni as more mellow subdued, while Jonatha is just ready to explode with all this energy which she tries to let off in small doses through the show... But I haven't seen Joni play live - have you? Actually, Suzanne Vega doesn't strike me as a super-energetic person either, come to think of it, but Jonatha reminds me of Suzanne for different reasons, I guess. | They have but one album, | Grace in Gravity, which is good, but suffers from the same fate as | many other "new"folk artists whose live performances | are absolutely riveting but whose recordings bury the haunting | starkness in layers of bass, drums, and BVs. Actually, Grace in Gravity is starting to grow on me now. I was very disappointed with it when I first heard it, but I go back to it every now and then, especially when I am thinking of how great the show was... And it isn't as bad as I thought it was at first. I'm sure Jennifer and Jonatha feel the same way about the "end product" called Grace In Gravity - I know they hate the Grace In Gravity version of Dog Dreams, and with good reason! | Don't get me wrong, the | depth is certainly there, but just an acoustic 6-string and some singing | is where these two women excel (Jennifer and Jonatha?). Yeah, I hope they release a live album... (bloody unlikely, but one can hope). | Yes, as my brother pointed out, they were pretentious, | singing about naked princesses on aquatic islands, and the injustice | in South Africa when a car accident involving a black man and a white | man results in the black man being refused at hospitals and dying | consequently. Actually, he was paralyzed from the waist down, and he was a professional dancer before, who since then became one of Jonatha's coreographers while she was studying in New York, so it isn't one of those typical "screaming about injustices" kind of songs, but rather a second-hand experience for her. But as pretentious music goes, I think that The Story is definitely not as bad (if pretentious music is a "bad" trait to have, which is also debatable, considering most of my favorite music just oozes with pretiousness - Happy Rhodes for one, and Legendary Pink Dots as another example), as say, the Indigo Girls, who I find hard to enjoy because of their pretentiousness. | But there was also an honesty, a baring, a stripping | away, a fantastical journeyesque motif, and at bottom, a fundamental | self-mockery and flippant ridicule often reminiscent of Seinfeld. beautiful!! :-) -- | Alan Ezust depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| Chew your gum and close your eyes and nothing can annoy you. - E.Ka-Spel ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 16:38:42 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: MSG and The Story Well, Miranda Sex Garden's "Gush Forth My Tears" extended dance mix may be out of print, but there's a store here that has it--so if anyone is really anxious to have it, please email me and we can make arrangements for me to walk up the hill after work to pick it up. I thinks it's around $10 U.S. or less. (Sorry I have a bad memory). I found The Story used and since folk here had been talking about them I bought it on spec. While it's not my favourite cd, I really like "Grace in Gravity" and a couple of other songs. I just put "Grace in Gravity" and "Dog Dreams" on a sampler for Jens. I can guess that seeing them live would be wonderful, but the music stands on its own, mostly, for me. I would say I'm most reminded of early Suzanne Vega. Have I told people I had bought this already?? Early senility--I can't remember. Ah well. --Neile (who has no short-term memory but plenty of the random access stuff) ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: Shifting to an alternate life Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 10:51:15 +1000 (EST) AlanM wrote ... > > Oh, and a while ago, one or more of the Australian Ectophiles were saying > how much they'd rather have a day of our weather than one of theirs during > their hothothot spell. Right about now, I'd take 'em up on the trade. > > sick o' snow > Would that we could average the weather, eh. Then we'd both be happy. Although hang on ... what are the temperatures over there exactly .. ? Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: Seasonal segues redux Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 10:56:00 +1000 (EST) Mitch wrote ... > >Chris' comment about the deletion of references to the Queen from the Australia >n citizenship oath reminded me of something I read in the _Australian Parliamen > tary Manual_ a couple of years ago, while in search of some datum or other in > the realm of comparative government. As of a couple of years ago, at least, > the oath of office for the Parliament, and possibly other public offices as > well, was listed as pledging allegiance to "her majesty, Queen Victoria," with > a footnote at the bottom advising the substitution of the name of "the >sovereign for the time being," or words to that effect. It does have a certain > quaintness about it :-). In the alternate, maybe it was the local hothothot > spells,, whereof Alan spake, talking :-). > Interesting that you mention that. When was the inimitable Queen Vic no longer a queen ? Australia was 'opened' if you will on 1 Jan 1901. Was Queen Vic still around then ... ? Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 20:31:20 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: About Hamlet & Field of Dreams (etc) Mitch mini-mitches: > "After the Flood" by Lone Justice. That's my very favorite song by Lone Justice! > I guess I guessed about 25% right on Vickie's guessing game WRT films and > Happy's lyrics, though Angelos did think of _Field of Dreams_ before I con- > cluded that the connection was attenuated. But if you interpret T&E as the > ruminations of the spirits of the dead, as I did not but others do, it's easy > to infer a link to the scenario of Shoeless Joe and friends holding batting > practice in Kevin Costner's erstwhile cornfield. The link of Closer to > Macbeth is less obvious to me; Lady M. was not, IMHO WIVH, cooking up all her > evil schemes in reaction to being under the total domination of anyone. She > was, in fact, played by Glenn Close in the Gibson remake, but I still think > that's a stretch. AnDrewcifer, you shouldn't think so much about who's in the films, or even so much about the films themselves, but rather, think about the *ideas* expressed in the films. That's why I wanted to put the emphasis on "inspired by" rather than "based on" because Happy took the ideas of life and death, hope springs eternal, what does come after "this earth", would that we could live our lives over again, etc, etc (I say etc because I haven't actually seen FoD, I'm just going by my basic knowledge of the plot) to come up with what eventually became "Temporary and Eternal." The song is not about the movie, it has nearly nothing to do with the movie, but it has a lot to do with the ideas contained within the movie. The same holds true for Hamlet. "Closer" is *not* about the movie, but the idea, the basic premise, came after she saw it. (And after all, it's Shakespeare, not an original screenplay.) I really can't say anything else without having seen the films to pick out possible "idea points" because Happy didn't give me any, and I certainly can't speak for her in any more depth about this. I have to admit, not only have I not seen MG's Macbeth, I've never seen any film/production of it, and I've never even read the play, so I'm pretty much in the dark. I really only know the cliched "To be or not to be" tidbits about it. I don't even really know what the plot is. I would compare Happy's using these film's ideas as starting points for her songs with Kate's using Stephen King's book "The Shining" as a starting point for the song "Get Out of My House." GOoMH isn't the story of Jack & Danny & Wendy Torrance, Kate just wanted a song with the same "frightful feel" of TS. I'm not speaking for Happy here, but I just guessing that she wanted the same "poignant eternity" feel of FoD for "Temporary and Eternal" and the same feeling of "anger"(?) as Hamlet for "Closer." Something like that anyway. I guess I'd better go rent Hamlet so I know what I'm talking about. I *know* what "Closer" is about, but I have no idea what Hamlet is about. (And no, I'm sorry, but I can't tell what I know. If Happy wants to tell the story, or gives me the ok to tell it someday, then you'll know. Otherwise, hints here and there, such as her passing on the Hamlet reference, are all I can offer.) (Mitch...good one! I hadn't even thought about Glenn *Close* being in the film!) About Winter songs, one of my favorites is "Winter Kills" by Yaz. Vickie ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)