Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #488 ecto, Number 488 Tuesday, 16 March 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* ecto #486 Re: What a weekend Re: on the subject of CD singles how to get other people happy happy peppermints, keeping German roots in the English language The Magician Ectophile Scan Gallery A ringing in my ears Another forwarded post ;-) Re: What a weekend Lyrics: "Wear Your Love..." Snow Story ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 00:29:29 EST From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) Subject: ecto #486 Steve wrote: >and then goes on to list no fewer than 64 brilliant quotes from >Happy's lyrics. I think this exposes the whole problem many of us face >in trying to select just one Happy quote. There's so many wonderful >lines in her songs that it's impossible to select one over another. >Perhaps we should use Vickie's list as the start of a database of >quotes and then somebody (who's more au fait with such things than me) >could maybe write a program to append a random choice from the >database to an outgoing message. Any volunteers? > Well I could help with writing a program to create an "active" .signature file, if someone wants to do this. I've done such things with my .plan file (which I'm rather proud of). -Anthony ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 3:25:01 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: What a weekend An-geloses: > Hi all! > > Well. The storm was not the storm of 'the century' in Cambridge, since it > switched over to rain at some point, and we got 13" of the white stuff, > that is now covered with a 2" crust of ice... :( *HUGS* to everyone who got hit by that storm. Does anyone need help? > Vickie wrote: > >The Mystery movies: > >The Bard plays Baseball > > If you think that you helped me, Vickie, you are wrong... I am now utterly > confused. For some reason when I read this I thought of 'Field of Dreams'... > But I haven't seen it, so I am not wagering a guess on it. Ah, you shoulda wagered...yep, T&E was inspired by _Field of Dreams_. You win, halfway. Since any other clue for the second one would give it away right away, I might as well go ahead and give it away right away. "Closer" was originally inspired by the film _Hamlet_ with Mel Gibson. Note, the song is not about Hamlet (or Mel Gibson, for that matter). "Inspired by" is very very very different from "Based on" ("Would That I Could" is *based on* A Midsummer Night's Dream) I'm not directing that toward you specifically Angleos, it's just a general FYI for anyone. I haven't seen either movie either. (Happy was shocked to hear that, I think. She urged me to see them. We talked movies for quite a while. Another one she loved that I haven't seen yet is _The Hunt For Red October_ which she wrote another song about...it didn't make it to EQP. She *loved* _Bram Stoker's Dracula_ which I wasn't suprised to hear. She thought it had some problems, but still saw it a zillion times.) (Oh, speaking of films, I *highly* recommend _Mad Dog and Glory_!) Angelos, I don't know the story behind the name Tirk. That's a question for another time. Meredith can ask her when she interviews her too. Martin, you posted a while back about how much you liked the new Sade, and you'll be pleased to know that Happy likes it quite a bit too. She also loves Lyle Lovett's new album. It's the only one she owns though. She said she likes Lyle's "perpetual in-jokes." Hello to any new Ectophiles out there! (Hey Joe, hello again!) > and crew staring at the ectomobile, etc? I would LOVE to have that one as > a gif, and as background on my Xdisplay! *PLEASE* :) NO! As long as it's not the one with me in it. I took a black magic marker to my print. If someone would do that before scanning it in, I wouldn't object. (No, I'm not just putting myself down, it's the all-time, worst possible photo of me *ever* taken. I will literally, no kidding, become physically *ill* if that shows up in the archives, unless I'm blacked out. The rest of the photo is great, and there are other decent photos of me elsewhere.) Geez, I really am serious, I'm honestly getting ill now just thinking about that photo. This is not a case of mere vanity, this is a case of real horror and shock. :-( Sorry, I am *so* depressed now. :-( Vickie (not vain, just prefers not to look like a total dorkohead in the archives) ======================================================================== From: Ulrich Grepel Subject: Re: on the subject of CD singles Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 12:05:35 MET Steve says: > In the Dallas area, it's cheaper yet to go to a Sound Future music > store. They will let you listen to virtually any CD without any > commitment to buy anything. $0. Anyone gathering a list of stores > with such a sampling policy? Sound Future's CD pricing is competitive, > but this policy makes them my preferred store. And if you are in the Darmstadt area, you can go to the Digital-Studio in the Rheinstrasse, they let you do the same thing, they have a big data base with all the CDs they know, they will try to order what they don't have, and they are medium priced (for Germany, anyway). Ok, there aren't too many ectopeople in the Da. area (who don't know that shoppe already), but I'll do my best... Uli ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 12:47:52 +0100 From: Ulrich Grepel Subject: how to get other people happy Hi all, soon there will be another (non-net (yet?)) ectophile in Germany: I copied him a selection on side two of a tape that had YKTR on side one and now he says that he'll send out an order of 6 CDs to Albany as soon as he has enough money again. (Or should he use another address? Heard (actually read...) that Happy & Co. are moving?) The selection I chose should contain two songs of each album, now I found out that this might get difficult with the new and longer songs on Equipoise, but as you see I even was able to put three songs of Rhodes I onto it. Seems (proven by example) like a good choice to introduce a long-term (pre-Dreaming- time) Katefan and Torifan to Happy. Uli P.S.: For those who don't like the bagpipes at the end of out like a lamb: perhaps they have been put there to keep the equipoise someone else has noticed (closer being the exact (time-wise) middle of the album). Any comments? P.P.S.: Anyone else here who's reminded of Tori's (traditional) Skyeboat Song (Etienne Trilogy part 3) when OLAL is ending? Happy Rhodes - Diverses 50:05 ---------------------------------------------------- Equipoise: 5) save our souls 6:16 8) cohabitants 5:41 Warpaint: 5) Phobos 5:13 6) Wrong Century 4:22 Ecto: 4) Off from out from under me 3:53 12) Poetic justice 2:59 Rearmament: 1) Perfect Irony 3:59 5) The Issue is 3:21 Rhodes II: 5) Let me know, love 3:23 15) Under and over the Brink (barely salvaged from the vault) 2:32 Rhodes I: 1) Rainkeeper 2:21 2) Oh the drears 3:14 5) Possessed 2:51 ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 12:48:54 +0100 From: Ulrich Grepel Subject: happy peppermints, keeping German roots in the English language Mitch mitches: > I'll have to remember to look for that Happy Peppermint stuff the next time > I'm in the vicinity of the old German enclave around Lawrence and Lincoln. > It would not surprise me if either the German deli or the German apothecary > shop carry it on a regular basis. I doubt it a little bit, I think they are quite new around here. BTW: Their packaging is more or less red with some greenish pics, only the bars themselves within the outer packaging is green. The Happy Peppermints are from Sprengel. > Mitch > (Pioneer in keeping German syntax > alive in the English language, or > at least in its academic dialect) No, you can't seriously want to be the pioneer in that! Don't forget all those German pupils learning English...;-) (BTW: (-; doesn't look good, looks like someone who had a stroke...) Uli P.S.: Bob, you just have to write to love-hounds-request@uunet.uu.net to join the list form of the news group rec.music.gaffa. The list form is the original format and is just email again. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 12:49:42 +0100 From: Ulrich Grepel Subject: The Magician Vicky Wraves: (Wraves is better than my last try...) > He also wrote the music for the film _The Magician of Lublin_ and the > song "The Magician" which Kate Bush sings. *Nobody* has a tape of the > original song, all we have are the snippets from the film. It's a > wonderful little song and serious Kate fans would give anything to > hear it in its entirety, without dialogue all over it. Gush! Hide! Go into the next corner! Don't look back! I think Kate would have a tape of that, and so you call Kate a *Nobody*!!! How can you do that? (For those who didn't notice: ;-) Uli P.S.: I think we should really try to use modern equipment to calculate the song out of the English and the German version. The song (and perhaps the horses and market sounds) are what can be heard in both versions, the voices of the actors (or their German voices) can only be heard in one of them. So there HAS to be a way to extract the song itself. If someone has the equipment to get the soundtrack good enough (16 bit, 44.1 KHz) into a computer and is willing to send me BIG emails, I might think about the software part. I also could provide the German version (in analogue form) and I think my computer wouldn't be busy for too long time calculating the thing out. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 08:59:40 EST From: matthews@ectds.com (Michael Matthews) Subject: Ectophile Scan Gallery Oooh, I'm gonna regret this........ Anyway, I've got pretty easy access to a scanner (and for those of you who've seen the Equipoise scans, it's a very good scanner) and would be willing to scan in pictures of people out there and put them on the FTP site(s). If you so desire to have a picture scanned in, my SnailMail address is Mike Matthews 7 Manorvale Court Rockville, MD 20853 [actually, that'll change within two to three months but since this is my home address I'll get them anyway.] Please include any special instructions (like "only scan in this section OR ELSE" or "don't do anything like tweak the bits" or whatnot) with the picture, and whether or not you want the picture back. I've already got one of Jeffy [who, by the way, can't log in to read his mail because those .... ....... ...... folks at UMCP's CSC dep't use NeXTcubes as file servers, which go down and stay down at the slightest flicker of power, and have been down since Saturday morning] which I'll upload (debating on whether or not I should ask his permission.... hm.....) later. Mike ======================================================================== Subject: A ringing in my ears Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 11:07:13 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Hi, *Wow* Last night I was fortunate enough to make it to Avalon, one of a multitude of nightclubs in Boston, on Lansdowne Street across from Fenway Park. As you may recall Suzanne Vega was playing. It was one of *those* concerts. Those that I will remember for a long long time. The Kitchens of Distinction were an interesting choice for an opening act. I knew nothing of them, and was quite pleasantly surprised by the guitar playing. Interesting dreamy guitar, reminiscent of the Cure at times and of more recent neo-psychedelic acts. Their set lasted about 40-45 minutes. And then later Suzanne Vega took the stage with her band. She played about an hour and a half, covering most of 99.9F, and not forgetting old classic songs of hers ('Small blue thing', 'Left of Center', 'Neighborhood girls', 'The Queen and the soldier', 'Luka', 'Tom's Diner' and others). The most impressive to me aspect of the show was the music. 'Marlene on the wall' featured a noisy guitar solo that added a new dimension to the song, 'In Liverpool' also took a very rock character when the last chords were repeated over and over, 'Blood makes noise' was *awesome*, with Suzanne shouting the lyrics through her little black bullhorn and the band jamming. There was a time when I had lost my interest in Suzanne Vega (the reasons weren't entirely musical, as they reminded me of some good times that were gone). But first with her wonderful new album, and now with a solid concert performance she has recaptured my interest and turned me back to a loyal fan. And I like her attitude. She said in a funny little monologue that whenever the venue she chose for Boston was mentioned people asked her why she isn't playing where she 'always' plays. And her response is that she wants the audience to do whatever they feel like. Dance if they want to, sing along if they want to, take their clothes off if they want to, and a club gave her audience that freedom of choices. And most of the audience took advantage of this freedom (well not the last part, to the best of my knowledge ;-)). And that made for a fun show. This being her last show in the US (except for one tonight in NJ), European ectophiles should be alert. I *strongly* urge you to not miss this show. It is not quite like a Happy Rhodes show, but it comes very close in terms of diversity, musical and emotional power and fun. And having said that I can start the outline of my PhD thesis, and hope that in two months the outline will blossom to the final document. ;-) Angelos 'It's going to be a great show, right?'-Anonymous handshaker ======================================================================== Subject: Another forwarded post ;-) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 12:18:52 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis ------- Forwarded Message From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: on the subject of CD singles Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 11:33:51 +1000 (EST) Alan says: >The world would be a better place if there were no such thing >as CD singles. Angelos wrote ... > > I am not so sure I agree with you. As Kristi pointed out, they are a nice > way to acquaint yourself with artists you would hesitate to spend $10 on. > > PLUS, if the CD singles are worthwhile you get: > a) LOTS of new music. > b) More interesting artwork. > PG-Steam (the limited edition version). I would love to own it, but > $14.99 for a cool box and a live version of 'Games without frontiers' > is too much. > I agree completely with this, but I can understand the complaint about them. The price gap here seems to be bigger however ... you can get most CD singles for about $7, while full length CDs are $28. I suppose $7 for 1 or 2 songs doesn't compare fabourably with $28 for about ten (although hang on a tic ... if you get 2 new tracks for $7, you'd get 10 new tracks for $35. That's not too bad after all, and then you include all the extra artwork, and the fact that they're rarer and that the tracks probably wouldn't normally make it to an album (that's why they're not on one in the first place) and you've got quite a decent deal actually ... Hmmm. (do I need another close bracket here ? ) ). There that's better. Incidentally, which was sort of what made me reply here, the Steam box edition of the single was only A$8.50 for me (although it usually goes for about $10), so either the US companies like ripping you off, or I got a really good deal!! Mind you I have imported US singles before (since they come out earlier for some reason) and that gets quite expensive. Oh dear I appear to be rambling. I'll stop now. Oh, and I'd _love_ to see aome Happy CD singles. Oh, and my reply to Vickie that seemed to imply that there were no quotes was just me being silly, but it didn't really work, so to make up for it I'll try and come up with my own favourite quotes. Later though ... *:) Ummm ... Byee. Chris. - -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ------- End of Forwarded Message ======================================================================== From: Scorpii Subject: Re: What a weekend Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 12:24:26 EST > > Ah, you shoulda wagered...yep, T&E was inspired by _Field of Dreams_. > You win, halfway. Oh, LORD. > > Since any other clue for the second one would give it away right away, I > might as well go ahead and give it away right away. "Closer" was > originally inspired by the film _Hamlet_ with Mel Gibson. Oh, LORD, again. Happy, I love you, darling, but I think I could have lived without knowing that. Kevin Costner is on my video-rental killfile. And as for the Mel Gibson Hamlet...well, *I* wouldn't have based a song on it. It was nice to see Helena Bonham Carter, but the whole thing was just a bit too Hollywood for my tastes. Better than anything with Costner, though. Fortunately, the songs are better than either film (although admittedly I never watched Field all the way through). Sorry to dis Happy's taste in films (but then I have a soft spot for the Alien saga and Dune, so look who's talking). :) > > I haven't seen either movie either. (Happy was shocked to hear that, I > think. She urged me to see them. We talked movies for quite a while. > Another one she loved that I haven't seen yet is _The Hunt For Red > October_ which she wrote another song about...it didn't make it to How odd. > EQP. She *loved* _Bram Stoker's Dracula_ which I wasn't suprised to > hear. She thought it had some problems, but still saw it a zillion times.) I've seen it three times. I went to the opening night in gothwear and fangs, and walked out stunned. I took a close female friend the second time I saw it, liked it but laughed a lot. The third time I saw it was on campus and I was no longer impressed by anything except Hopkins (and Oldman, occasionally). The feel of the movie was incredible. It looked fantastic and the scripting was OK. Most of the acting was atrocious and I really detested the "love never dies" theme. Ugh. I hope (and yes, I missed this discussion) you're not going to tell me that "He Will Come" and "The Flight" were inspired by BS's D...now that I think about it they fit Dracula better than they fit the Vamp Chronicles. Drewcifer ======================================================================== From: Scorpii Subject: Lyrics: "Wear Your Love..." Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 12:32:39 EST Here they are: the long-awaited lyrics to Donovan's "Wear Your Love Like Heaven," covered by Sarah McLachlan on _Solace_. WYLLH, by Donovan Leitch ------------------------ Color in sky: Prussian blue Scarlet fleece changes hue Crimson ball sinks from view CHORUS Wear your love like heaven (3x) Lord, kiss me once more, fill me with song Allah, kiss me once more, that I may, that I may Wear my love like heaven (2x) Color sky Havana Lake Color sky rose carmetene Alizarian crimson CHORUS Can I believe what I see? All I have wished for will be All our race proud and free [and here Sarah goes directly into] CHORUS -fin- Donovan's lyrics go into the "Lord" thing, and the word "Carmine" appears at the end. I haven't heard the original, but I don't think Sarah does anything differently from the above (except "All of our race proud and free"). This is from a cheesy book called "Favorite Pop/Rock Lyrics", published in 1969. I can post bibliographical info if anyone really cares. Sorry this took so long, Uli! :) Drewcifer ======================================================================== Date: 16 Mar 93 13:06:20 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Snow Story Having spent the last weekend in Ann Arbor and experienced the live performance (as recommended in this space) of The Story, I figure I owe it to impart my opinion on my fellow ectolytes. First, let me heartily recommend The Story live. Taking (I believe it was) Alan (???)'s advice, I avoided listening to their music until the performance. They are two women, who embody all the pretention, political correctness, disdain and glory of the artsy alternative class (right down to the black buckle boots) that frequent hip coffee bars and might well have initiated an enlightened twist on grunge style. Yet, for all that, they are endearing and folksy and musing and lyrical. Just a single acoustic guitar graced twisted, perfectly executed harmonic gymnastics... an updated Indigo Girls with nary a straightforward chord of any kind. The guitar and vocalese reminded me distinctly of Joni Mitchell -- this is undoubtedly a style a mode a sound that took numbers of years to evolve (actually I saw this written in a blurb they had at the show). They have but one album, Grace in Gravity, which is good, but suffers from the same fate as many other "new" (as opposed to Pete Seger, say) folk artists (Patty Larkin, Shawn Colvin) whose live performances are absolutely riveting but whose recordings bury the haunting starkness in layers of bass, drums, and BVs. Don't get me wrong, the depth is certainly there, but just an acoustic 6-string and some singing is where these two women excel (Jennifer and Jonatha?). I must say I had been looking forward to attending a show at the Ark in Ann Arbor (Michigan, home of Univ. of Michigan and one of the folk- capitals of the US if not the world), and I was not disappointed. The acoustics were superb, the noise was totally nonexistent, you could see from everywhere, great ambience, stage just big enough. The Story performed flawless number after flawless number, their voices soaring around each other over under between, using silence as well as sound, and adjusting dynamically as well as I have ever seen it done. The guitar playing, as I said, was quirky... lots of Michael Hedges chords, unfamiliar fingerings. Technically, they were outstanding in every category. Yes, as my brother pointed out, they were pretentious, singing about naked princesses on aquatic islands, and the injustice in South Africa when a car accident involving a black man and a white man results in the black man being refused at hospitals and dying consequently. But there was also an honesty, a baring, a stripping away, a fantastical journeyesque motif, and at bottom, a fundamental self-mockery and flippant ridicule often reminiscent of Seinfeld. Their stage-presence was stunning, both due to physical appearance and grace (not a coincidence) and in their ease of delivery and outgoing banter and interplay. A pleasure to behold. They like food, they like eating, they hold disdain for supermodels (although they look pretty good themselves), they dance and move with only the least pretention of inhibition. I think the album is worth giving a few listens (one certainly won't do it -- this is rather oblique stuff) even if you can't catch them live which you should certainly do if you are into the kind of stuff I just described. I was taken in... perhaps you will be too. -mjm P.S. Snowman is my fave snow songs (Then There Were Three, Genesis) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)