Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #188 ecto, Number 188 Friday, 20 March 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* I'm a bit confused here... Ecto Mama ack! no more athos Philly welcomes On the road again (I won't spell it that way!) Wow... A very late introduction ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1992 07:12:21 EST From: eperry@kean.ucs.mun.ca HAPPY BIRTHDAY GEOFFREY!! Thanks to David for Part 1 of the Happy Albany Concert diary. Anxiously awaiting Part 2... :) I'm glad that Vickie managed to get to the concert - pretty wonderful gesture by Happy and Kevin! Hey Mitch, any word on Vickie's computer? Is it going to recover? Is your stomach going to recover? - or was the state of your stomach a big motivator in your choice of the Billy Crystal quote from _The Princess Bride_? :) Beth ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 92 12:45:31 EST From: Frumpy Subject: I'm a bit confused here... Everybody seems really glad that Vickie made it to the concert as a gesture from Happy and Kevin. I've heard Vickie mentioned a lot here and there, but WHO IS SHE? I've only been reading messages for a few days now and I'm kind of lost. And, Who's Ecto mama? I'm sorry to be so ignorant, but I find it all interesting and I'd like to know what I can... I doubt if I'll recognize anyone at the Philly Concert, but I will be there too. :) Christine :) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 92 13:14:22 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: I'm a bit confused here... Christine says: > I've only been reading messages for a few days now and I'm kind of > lost. welcome to ecto -- leastwise we are all lost together ;) > I've heard Vickie mentioned a lot here and there, but WHO IS SHE? > And, Who's Ecto mama? well, vickie's presence at the shows was *supposed* to be a surprise, but since it has been revealed... Vickie Mapes is a delightful person whose Kansas City/Chicago/etc. radio show _Suspended in Gaffa_, and enthusiastic posts in rec.music.gaffa (the KaTe Bush newsgroup) and ecto have introduced many of us to a whole world of female musicians... i haven't ever heard a SiG show, but it was Vickie playing me a couple of Happy songs while we walked the streets of London that got me into the wonderful ecto-whirlpool i live in these days (sorry if that wasn't real coherent -- i haven't gotten much sleep since the albany show ;) > I doubt if I'll recognize anyone at the Philly Concert eep!!! well, we will be *quite* visible in our tee-shirts, and i have made up name tags -- DON'T BE SHY!!!!!!!!! if you can't meet us at eden at 3:30, look for us at the auditorium!!!!! we will probably get a chance to talk to Happy (she spoke with us for a while after the albany show... footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "if love is a game, i win" -- HR ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 92 13:37:23 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Ecto Mama oops... didn't quite finish my answer to Christine... she asked: > And, Who's Ecto mama? this is a term some people have used to refer to Vickie... Vickie herself uses it with some frequency... i must confess that i avoid the term myself... Vickie is a wonderful, sweet woman (not *that* much older than myself :) and i prefer to think of her and all of you as _friends_, plain and simple... (hee, ok ok ok, not always all that simple... ;) footah and swiss on rye! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "i want to feel you in the dark, babe" -- HR ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 92 14:37:48 EST From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: ack! no more athos athos is being decommissioned. :P Everything is being moved to dartagnan. I'm sure sending mail to athos will still work for a long time.. But i won't be using it anymore! I'll work on moving ecto to one of the network-services machines. (probably hardees). next project is to get a moon crater named "ecto" so that I can name my workstation that. jessica ======================================================================== From: golden@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Stephen "Jokey" Golden) Subject: Philly Date: Fri, 20 Mar 92 14:40:31 EST OK, so now I'm going to assume 3:30 at Eden is correct. If anyone needs directions to the restaurant let me know. If anyone gets in town early and is bored, you can call me. If people want to drop their stuff off somewhere (if they don't already have a hotel or something) let me know and you can leave it at my place. I'm still looking for someone to copy the HGP tape for me. Any volunteers? So this is the itinerary: 3:30 Eden for late lunch/early dinner meal * 5:00 Get in line at Museum door 6:45 Get great seats in the Auditorium 7:30 Show starts afterwords: ??? If I'm off schedule anywhere, let me know. * For the person who asked (can't remember who) Eden does have vegetarian meals, but I'm not sure how extensive the menu is. I personally think their Cesear salads are great. I know they also have pasta and vegetable dishes. One more day, hard to believe! -- -------------- "Won't you take me to, Funkytown? Stephen Golden Won't you take me to, Funkytown? golden@eniac.seas.upenn.edu Won't you take me to, Funkytown? (215) 573-8734 Won't you take me to, Funkytown?" ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 92 14:49:48 EST From: jessica Subject: Re: Philly Stephen, I tihnk your schedule sounds about right! Vickie and Doug will be staying with me tonight (yay!) and we and anyone else leaving from the NJ area will be leaving from here at 2pm. We will probably stop by our hotel to register and drop things off, then will meet you at Eden! (hey, i've been there before, it turns out, though we didn't eat there. We were a bit confused (and it was very busy) so we left:) Christina, there's no way you will miss us. Look for a large group of people all wearing blue Tshirts with an ecto-face and "happy rhodes" on the front, and "I'll be here/I'll be ecto" on the back :) If you can, meet us at Eden at 3:30 too! If you're driving down, feel free to ask me for directions and stop by my place on the way down. We'll be consolidating cars.. People who were at the albany show were awfully disappointed to find me with solid color hair :) I'll be fixing that for tomorrow:) (I *had* wanted to put my streaks back in before the albany show, but life's been just a wee bit too hectic:) Oooooooooooooooooh i can't wait 'til tomorrow! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 92 14:46:43 PST From: barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu Hey jessica, just curious, why are they decommissioning athos? Didn't they just recently move the machine over to a new building, and now their going to get rigd of the machine? Okay, so how do we go about naming a mooncrater ect :) opps I meant ecto :) Barry ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 92 15:13:50 EST From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: welcomes Welcome Peter Kulawec and Tracy Barber! Peter, a digest is available, if you'd prefer that over the loose mail, let me know! Tracy is getting the digest via Richard Caldwell's bbs system. Tracy, it seems you were at the concert in albany wednesday night!? It's too bad we didn't know you before hand!! Did you notice who we were? There were ten of us ectophiles.. Richard says you have a review to post, please don't send it 'til saturday evening - lots of people who weren't in albany will be in philly, and we want to keep everything a surprise for them. Thanks. :) jessica ======================================================================== Date: 20-MAR-1992 15:25:36.86 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: On the road again (I won't spell it that way!) Hi! I think I'm recovered from Albany now. %) woj's tape of the concert came out INCREDIBLY well, I'm anxious to hear how the others' did, too. For the record, I like the T-shirt. It wasn't too loud, though the sound was muddy in spots and the system in the QE2 wasn't the greatest, Mitch Elrod wasn't good but he wasn't as horrendous as the dude who opened for Suzanne Vega when I saw her in Maine four years ago, and Albany isn't a very attractive city, at least not from the way we came into it. HOWever, Happy is amazing. The show blew me away (am I being original yet? :). She's got great stage presence and she was really cool to us after the show... but I think she's forever going to think of me as That Idiot Chick From The Front Who Had The Balls To Ask Me My Shoe Size After The Show. I did have a concrete reason for it, I swear...but I'll keep you all in suspense until I get back from Philly...who knows what weird stories I'll have to tell then. ;) Woj and I are off to Philly within the hour, to visit a friend of mine in Bryn Mawr. Maybe we'll run into people beforehand, but if not, see y'all at the restaurant tomorrow afternoon. We really are going to look silly in the shirts...won't it be great? ;> (Greg and Angelos, I wasn't sure if you liked the show or not...could you be more specific next time? ;) +----------------------------------------------+ | Meredith A. Tarr | | +++ | | "Oh let me fly, give me something to show | | for my miserable life..." -Kate Bush | | +++ | | mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu | +----------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 92 17:03:38 EST From: Frumpy Subject: Wow... I think its really sweet of y'all to be so prompt in replying to my messages... I was asked how I discovered Happy...well, my best friend was going crazy over her music (he discovered her music from his suitemate at school who is on the kate newslist) and made me a compilation tape with some of her music on it....It kind of grew from there... :) I'm going to the concert with three friends and we'll be leaving the Trenton area around 5:30pm, so I'll miss the lunch date... I look forward to spotting you all.... Also, Of those that has written to Happy, has she always written back? Keep smiling! Christine :) ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 21 Mar 92 0:43:19 MET From: Albert Philipsen Subject: A very late introduction Hi! It's your Dutch Ectophile again. Time for some badly timed Blue Fuzz. (People allergic to or not familiar with Blue Fuzz should skip to the --- mark below.) I think I owe you all an explanation why I have been so silent all these months. [I've been here from the start, when ecto was still ectoplasm.] You may not think so, but I'm going to tell you anyway. The basic reason is that I was too scared to tell you anything. [I could come up with some poor excuse, like I was too busy, but considering the time I spent reading netnews, this wasn't the case.] Sometimes I had all kind of great posts all worked out in my mind, but didn't type them in. There are even some things I typed in and never sent. [This little story will probably undergo the same fate. (NOT!)] What was I afraid of? That you wouldn't find it interesting at all what I had to say. [This is clearly not the case; I've got some nice reactions to my posts. THANKS!] That you would ask why I had been so silent all these months. [This is getting silly!] [This is nothing to be afraid of, I'm actually now answering that question!] I think the following quote (which I found in a book by a Dutch writer, Hannes Meinkema [I'm borrowing a part of her writing style, all these irritating [[[]]]] :-) nicely sums it up. "Life, from beginning to end, is fear. Yes, it is pain, yes it is desire, [I (Albert) am working on DESIRE, a framework for DEsign and Specification of Interacting REasoning modules (something to do with Artificial Intelligence and Expert Systems). :-] but more than anything it is fear; a certain amount rational, an enormous amount irrational." -- Vivian Gornick I still sometimes get very nervous after I have sent something, but I'm getting over it. I've made the above part especially hard to read, so you wouldn't. Thanks for reading anyway... :-) --- Blue Fuzz almost gone Now I should probably tell you what I look like, but that would spoil the surprise for those who are going to the European Ectophile party, so I won't. Thanks for all the reports about the Albany concert. It is really nice to hear that Happy is at least as good on stage as she is on tape or CD. She has a tendency to wear out on tape, though (I want those CDs!!). BTW, I couldn't stop listening to Little Earthquakes for two days after the Tori Amos concert. I wonder if the Happy concerts have a similar effect. (I've got a Tori Amos interview in a Dutch magazine. Very interesting stuff. If you're really desperate I could try to translate it back, just ask.) I just listened to my first Sugarcubes album, Stick Around For Joy, and I like it. You are really good at stretching my musical taste. The first thing it reminded me of was the Cocteau Twins. (So far I've only heard Garlands, it took some time to grow one me, especially those harsh drum machines, but now it's heaven.) They both have weird, almost unintelligible vocals. Got to listen to it some more. I must remember to bring earplugs to the Sugarcubes concert. Something I haven't seen mentioned here before is Laurie Freelove's Heaven on Earth (in some way my favorite song from her album Smells Like Truth) CD single, which I found some weeks ago. It contains the following tracks: 1. Heaven on Earth (Remix) A shorter, slightly remixed version. The guitars are mixed more to the front. 2. Heaven on Earth (Freelove on Earth Part I) A lot of instruments and vocals are removed. You can now hear much better what is being said in the background. 3. Heaven on Earth (Radio Edit/LP version) The album version with some of its head and lots of tail cut off. 4. Looka (written by Laurie Freelove) This new song actually took some time to grow on me. It's very moving once you start to understand the lyrics. It contains some of her rawest singing. 5. Dear Prudence (Live, written by Lennon/McCartney) This song was recorded live on cassette (there is some distortion). It has a sparse arrangement with talking drums and electric guitar (or synth?). I haven't heard the original. If you like Smells Like Truth, I can highly recommend this (Ensign records, 1991, 3237852). It is printed in Holland, so you might have trouble finding it. I'm going to watch Get a Life now (an American TV series about the grown-up paperboy Chris Peterson, titlesong is Stand, by R.E.M.). ... I'm back. That was absurdly funny. Is that series well known in the States? I thought I heard someone mention Sam Brown, a long time ago. Are you still there? She's one of the first female vocalists I really liked, and I still think she's great. My favourite songs are on the This Feeling CD single. There's some nice weird stuff with backward vocals. Someone who also belongs in that category is Nadieh. She's Dutch, but not well known in The Netherlands. I believe she's quite famous in Japan. Her first album Land of Ta is still my favourite. Got to tell you more later... Or you can come to the European Ectophile party. (Klaus, I hope there is still some time in the party schedule to play some of my music?) Usually, I only write technical documents in English, and I'm afraid it shows. I hope Vickie doesn't think it's because of her I didn't surface sooner... Nah, she wouldn't. Tell me more about the concerts... Albert Philipsen -------------------------------------- I have a box that is filled to the top with letters I've never sent sorrows I've never spent sentiments grown old and tales never told (Dana Kletter, Blackgirls) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)