Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #181 ecto, Number 181 Tuesday, 10 March 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* currently offline Wanting to see Happy Rhodes perform live problems, problems Fluff (tm) Acadie / Uh-oh Tori Amos on VH-1 (well, sorta kinda maybe....) less than two weeks! well, okay, so it wasn't Happy Nature Re: Tori Amos Can fried thoughts fit into a lowfat diet? and other stories Hey, look! Something I actually wanna buy! One more thing passing down the Maine Line Oh well, it could be worse the seals are blamed again... ======================================================================== Subject: currently offline Date: Mon, 09 Mar 92 09:59:25 N From: Klaus Kluge Dear Ectophiles ! Just a quick note to let you know that we couldn't send and didn't receive anything from inphobos for most of last week. Xenox, the machine where we are connected to has been down, and still is. You'll see when we are back. In the meantime any important mail can reach us through my old office-account kkluge@Materna.DE More later soon (I hope) ... Klaus. _____ Klaus Kluge, Dr. Materna GmbH, Vosskuhle 37, DW-4600 Dortmund 1, Germany INET: kkluge@Materna.DE TEL.: +49-231-5599-301 FAX: +49-231-5599-100 ======================================================================== Date: 9 Mar 92 08:48:00 EST From: Michael (M.M.Y.) Hui Subject: Wanting to see Happy Rhodes perform live Being a lurker in this list for the longest time, now I am in a position to sample real life Happy Rhodes. I'll be in a conference in Atlantic City, NJ, from April 5 to 9, and plan to visit Philadelphia for a few days after that, and then tour up to NYC and on to New Haven, CT, and possibly on to Boston, MA, and finally back home to Ottawa, Canada by Sunday morning from NYC. My simple question is: would I be able to catch a Happy show anytime during my stay? I can sneak out to Philly on each evening during the conference (ooops ... no one tells my employer, please). My turn to present my stuff is Monday morning, so the rest of the time I'll be relatively relaxed. Just e-mail replies to myhui@bnr.ca to save bandwidth on your already very busy and certainly fuzzy ectolist. By the way, I'm on the digest version only, and want to remain that way, so if you want an immediate reply please e-mail direct to me. By the way, judging by the amount of fuzziness in most of your posts, there just may lurk a bunny-lover in there somewhere. I mean, loving bunnies as animals and pets, not as the main ingredient in your pie. << Bunnies are your friends. Hug them. >> << Buns are people too. Hug them. >> << Bunnies must be free ! >> ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 9 Mar 92 22:54:00 +0200 Subject: problems, problems From: Alan_Ezust@mango.apc.org Date: Mon Mar 09 12:54:26 1992 GMT+2 First of all, to Jessica: Thanks for re-sending all those digests which I requested. Yes, indeed, I am not FTPable from here. Announcement to All: You would not believe how difficult it is to get a reliable source of E-mail in Zimbabwe. I just lost approximately 500k worth of e-mail, which I had been expecting for over 2 weeks. All of it is GONE - not bounced back, but GONE... To the land of no return, etc etc. If you sent me anything and you are expecting a reply, please send it again. At the moment, I am still able to login on a daily basis, but from April 6 to April 20th, and from April 23 to sometime in July, I will be unaccessible via E-mail. I think it is best that I sort everything out before I go, so with great remorse, I am hereby temporarily UNSUBSCRIBING to the Ecto list, until I am back in North America. I wish I didn't have to do this, but you won't BELIEVE what's going on with the system here. The amount of data loss I have experienced over the past 20 days has been too disgusting for words. I hope that by reducing the volume I will be able to keep track of what is going on a little more easily. So long ectophiles! -Alan "Zimbabwe" Ezust --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ezust@mango.apc.org University of Zimbabwe, Harare Engineering CAL Project ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 9 Mar 92 18:09 GMT From: Merow!! small news flash... Kiri Sis..how was i morbid?? honestly blondly clueless!!!!! Mitch..those last three posts of yours..babies compared to what we usually receive..STILL took up a whopping 31 blocks of space..not much for some big shots with LOADS of space..but i have limited access after all.. this isnt anything other thana tease at Mitch and an explanation for why things do the ole bouncerama from my account sometimes!! ALERT!!!!! anyone knowing of CHEAPER Loreena McKennitt CD's..please contact Kiri..ok?? Canada is TOO expensive but i am so desperate for her other CD"s that i just might fork it over!!! Kiri..WAIT before you buy and see how much that phone bill was..i am betting on around $40...send me the balance..k? thats all.. mew to all and to all a MEW night... (needless to type..i am feeling a bit better!!) Courtney! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 9 Mar 92 13:26:25 MST From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Fluff (tm) Greetings, Thanks Greg for the ideas and information about Albany. I'll e-mail you a note with what few details I have about transportation, et al. However, my own plans between shows are completely open. If anyone is planning any get- togethers in the area, let me know! Also, be aware that my last day I can read e-mail before I leave is Friday! I'm starting to get very excited about this!! Just nine more days!!! (Is that enough exclamation points for everyone!?!!?) Fort Collins is slowly, slowly re-constructing its links to the world today. Our network connection just returned to life an hour ago. As usual, 'snow in Colorado' is a news event on the order of 'Dog bites man', but we got pounded last night in one of the wildest storms in my memory. It started as a heavy rainstorm late Sunday afternoon and turned into a heavy snowstorm with the frontal passage in the early evening. The most amazing thing were the thunderstorms embedded in the front. Hail, lightning, thunder, and even two tornadoes (one unconfirmed) were reported along the Front Range. I don't remember ever seeing lightning in the middle of a snow storm before, but 'stone cold beans' (as some here would say), or spectacular (as I would say). Howling winds also accompanied the storm, thoroughly coating my window screens so that I couldn't watch the storm! :( :( The snow continued most of the night, and in the morning, _everything_ was coated with white. Just in Fort Collins, eight to fifteen inches (let's see, that should be 200-400cm for you left-handers) lay on the ground, and any other flat surface. Heck, even some non-flat surfaces. I saw a chain-link fence with a precarious six inches of narrow snow sitting on top of it! Monday morning was a mess. Fortunately, everything was closed, easing some problems. I do mean, everything. The major freeways and highways were closed, including every road and even cowpath out of Fort Collins. Schools, business, government, the works. However, two organizations around here never close. Denver's Stapleton Airport was open, as always, though, of course, no flights had arrived or departed since last evening. The other was my workplace, Colorado State University. University of Colorado in Boulder closed for the day with less snow than we got, as did every other university, school, and government entity closed, but old CSU sneered at those wimps, (though did cancel classes at a very late 8am). So I had to go to work, and with my tiny little Honda buried by fifteen inches of snow in my unplowed parking lot (whose driveway was blocked by a car stuck in the snow), I walked to work, (which actually I do quite often). Walking in the snow (actually in the snow ruts in the streets) was fun, especially watching even four-wheel drive vehicles fishtail on the barely plowed and very icy streets. There was just no way an ordinary car could have driven on the streets. So here I am at work in a very quiet department, finally getting our computers up and running in the wake of many power outages (no damage, luckily). On the plus side, I do get to post something to Ecto about the mess. Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Acadie / Uh-oh Date: Mon, 09 Mar 92 18:31:12 EST Hi! On an unrelated topic, let me say this: Daniel Lanois - Acadie ---------------------- BUY IT! I got this yesterday, and it is one of my favorite albums of 1992 (I know it was released in 1989! :-)). Eno's influence is so amazing. The instrumentals have this magnificent ambience, and the way he interchanges between French and English in some songs is simply amazing. David Byrne - Uh-Oh! -------------------- LISTEN TO IT BEFORE YOU BUY IT I didn;t and although I don't regret it, I am not particularly impressed, although some tracks are fun. I have had this for a week now, and still can't decide if I really like it or not. And now for something completely different: Do I hear Alllllllllbaneeeeeeeeee? A-L-B is for Happy A-N-Y why ask why? Do I hear Phillllllleeeeeeeeeeeee? P-H-I *&^*#&$^????? OK OK time to let you know that +=====================================+ |'My ears have parasites'-hApPy RhOdEs| +=====================================+ Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 9 Mar 92 19:38:36 -0600 From: rjk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Subject: Tori Amos on VH-1 (well, sorta kinda maybe....) Greetings from another lurker! For the first time in I don't know how long I flipped by VH-1 while advertisers were paying for the show I was really watching. Anyway, I was quite startled to see TORI AMOS written in big letters across the bottom of the screen whilst bits of what I must presume was a video of hers played in the background, somewhat drowned out by an announcer trying to tell me which 1-900 number I must call if I ever want to see this video again. It seems I stumbled across VH-1's weekly top-20 countdown and they now do a little thing each week (perhaps they have been doing it for a long time; the only time I watched much at all was when L&A and TWW were in their rotations) where they show clips from 3 new songs and um, _allow_ the viewers to pay $1 a call to tell them which one they want to see next week. So, if Tori gets the most votes, be watching this weekend. You are now warned. Ob Happy: (sort of) In a similarly freaky incident, I walked into a Music Vision (a large chain of record stores that tend to be on the pricy side) for only the second time in 2 years. I really don't know what possessed me to walk in, as I only had $13 in my wallet, not enough to buy most things there ($14.99-$15.99, with few exceptions). I walk in the door, and there hear the words "Kate Bush" and "Tori Amos" mentioned in quick succession from behind the counter. I ambled over that way, and it appears that one of the gentlemen behind the counter was reading a magazine with Tori on the cover (anyone seen this? I forgot to look 8( ). They had Little Earthquakes in stock, to my astonishment, at a mere $15.99. Out of luck. I figured I might as well check out some other names mentioned here, just out of curiosity. A-B-C-D---McLachlan! Solace! in big letters. On sale. $10.99. Great! Wait! there aren't any copies of Solace in the bin. I guess I had better go ask. (and this is why I forgot about the magazine). They got in 8 copies 4 days ago. They apparently put it in heavy rotation in their store CD player and the result was 8 sales in 4 days. All because it got into rotation at the store. Sigh. Made me want to rush home, pick up Warpaint, run back to the store and demand that they put it in the player and glue the drawer closed. Sigh. Bob rjk1@cec1.wustl.edu ======================================================================== Subject: less than two weeks! Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 00:38:09 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu My ticket sits taped to the wall by my computer, where I can turn and stare at it occasionally, sighing in anticipation. At this point, I'm starting to feel an urge to make some preperations. These include: a) Philly pholks figuring out where/when we're going to meet before the show. My biggest concern with a pre-concert gathering is that it happen early enough to ensure that we get to the Auditorium early enough for good seats (unless someone convinces Happy/Kevin to convince someone in management to reserve a row for us...;-) I know that a number of suggestions for a restaurant were posted, um, last week, wasn't it? I don't, however, remember a concensus being reached. b) Finding the auditorium... I'm pretty sure my dad has a map that includes Philly somewhere around the house, but if anyone has a reasonable idea of how to get downtown to the UPenn area, it would be _greatly_ appreciated. While I've been to Philly and the UPenn campus quite a few times, it was always by train; I've never driven in that city. c) Setting up somewhere to crash for the evening if necessary. This was discussed long, long ago when the Philly date was announced, and a couple of people were kind enough to offer floor space. This was a while ago, though, and I just wanted to check in with whomever that might be (I remember Jessica offering, but don't recall who else. d) So are we all gonna wear our Ecto shirts and freak out the residents of Philadelphia with our solidarity? ;-) Wow. I can't wait! My only regret is that I can't go to Albany. So it goes. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Subject: well, okay, so it wasn't Happy Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 00:42:29 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu At a small stunt kite competition I went to yesterday, an acquaintance of mine flew an individual ballet choreographed to Jane/k.d.'s "Calling All Angels". Apparently Sherrie flew the same routine down at the Southeast Stunt Kite Championships a couple of weeks ago, and placed 4th in her class (Intermediate Individual Ballet). It was a wonderful usage of Jane's material, and has started me wondering what other Siberry Songs would work well. obHappy: due to some fortuitous timing, I happened to be listening to "To Be E. Mortal" whilst pedaling my bike up a particularly grueling hill this afternoon. The music did a wonderful job of keeping my mind seperated from my legs. Ahhh. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== From: Jeanne B Schreiter Subject: Nature Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 10:01:27 CST (little poem) Nature 3-09-'92 As silent as the sky dawn hovers busy lives move on nature keeping us calm. -jbns ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 09:37:12 MST From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Re: Tori Amos Greetings, Lurker Bob Kollmeyer emerged to tell tales of record purchases. I also have been surprised how easy it's been to find Sarah McLachlan's _Solace_ and Tori Amos' _Little Earthquakes_. I've always had to do some digging to find albums mentioned here before, but these two were featured and on sale in two record stores where I usually have to dig to find KaTe and have never seen Jane Siberry. Maybe there is hope for this world! :) Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: 10 March 1992 11:37:34 CST From: Subject: Can fried thoughts fit into a lowfat diet? and other stories In the past 24 hours, the weather in Chicago has gone from warm and wet, to warm and sunny, to cold and rainy, to cold, windy and snowy. As I write this, snow is still falling and blowing outside the window. It all reminds me of the W.C. Fields short _The Fatal Glass of Beer_, in which a running gag was for Fields to open the door, look at the blizzard outside (the story was set in the Klondike or some such place), remark "Ain't a fit night for man nor beast," and get creamed by a mass of snow. Having taken yesterday off to do a little political research (and discovering that in 1901, the Chicago City Council passed a new ward map, which the mayor vetoed because it fell short in the areas of compactness, contiguity, and equality of population--_plus ca change, und so weiter_), I have now decided to come out of the cold (as it were) to say a few words :-) about a number of things. My ecto t-shirt arrived last Friday. It's a nice color scheme for the cover art from the ecto album. The only thing I wonder about apropos the design is that the uninitiated could see the imprimatur "Happy Rhodes" under the picture and misinterpret who/what it's a picture of. My other worry is that over time, launderings would first vitiate, and ultimately destroy, the paint job. Anyone got any ideas? It may be of interest to Doug (if not quite the Abominable Snowman, certainly Our Man in the Abominable Snow, by contrast with the merely execrable snow now going on here) that early Saturday morning, I was listening to an NPR series on the environment which listed Jennifer and Ted Stanley among the underwriters. Seems those two are branching out. Has anyone stopped to think that the ultimate beneficiary of the death of the CD longbox may not be the jewel box in its natural state, but that redoubt- able brainchild of the cardboard industry and certain record labels, the ecopak, aka the digicrap? Apropos Meredith's delight last week at discovering Court had turned someone from Maine onto Happy: It somehow made an unusual impression last week when Saturday's episode of _Car Talk_ on NPR featured a call from the wife of Vaughan Meader, whose JFK spoof _The First Family_ was one of the classic comedy albums of the 60's, who now lives outside of Augusta. This in turn caused me to recall that the wife of one of my graduate school mentors originally hails from Bangor. Strange how reading stuff in Ecto can make one think. Friday's Chicago Tribune carried an interview with Alison Moyet, in which she comments at length on the effects of earlier celebrity on her quality of life. It seems to reflect my recent essay on the Midlist, to which she seems delighted to be joining. The same issue also states that one of Channel 50's most popular videos at present is Tori Amos' "Silent All These Years." I'm listening to her new album at this moment, and I like it. It also contains a favorable review of the new movie _A Paper Wedding_, a literate version of the _Green Card_ concept starring Genevieve Bujold. In response to queries, the internet address for Amazons International is thomasg@ulrik.uio.no . Jean Redpath is very prominent in folk circles. I had meant to look up whether she still has albums in print before writing this, but didn't get around to it due to the need to deal with snow first. I'll try to get back to y'all on this. I enjoyed Michael Hui's set of theorems on bunnies. Being the kind of thinker I am, my first thought was that they would be the ideal chants for feminists picketing the Playboy Clubs, were they still in business. "Bunnies are your friends--hug them" would have been guaranteed to give Hef & co. conniptions, especially if any customers actually tried to do it. :-) As I almost draw to a close, I'd like to take a moment to honor the memory of two great men of the movies, and one of sociology--respectively Nestor Almendros, Pare Lorentz, and Hans Zeisel. As I actually do draw to a close, I hope Court will eventually be able to read whatever has bounced due to the magnitude of my screeds. The content of ecto is always worth reading, irrespective of who writes it. Mitch Pravatiner Friendly, elephantiasis-free detonator of email spools, if not exactly from Maine (there it goes again) to California, then certainly from Middletown to Swansea ____________________________ "Happy Winter" --hand-lettered imprimatur on a box of Kleenex on the desk of my art history instructor my first quarter as an undergraduate (c. November, 1969) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 10:32:02 -0800 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Hey, look! Something I actually wanna buy! Doug Burks noted that it is becoming easier to find music worth buying at the local CD store... Maybe this *is* a good sign. I contend that the cash cow aspect was one of the driving forces behind the 'CD Revolution' -- a CD re-issue could be manufactured for less than a vinyl LP, leaving the record companies with a tidy chunk of new change... Well, maybe this is a sign that the re-issue frenzy is about over. Just maybe we can get back to the business of promoting *new* music. Sheesh, i hope so...it's about time! Cheers, Mp p.s. Doug, thanx for the chilling story...hope the climate has improved! ======================================================================== Date: 10 March 1992 12:37:12 CST From: Subject: One more thing passing down the Maine Line Forgot to mention just now that Garrison Keillor will be doing his show from Portland on May 16. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: 10 March 1992 12:49:16 CST From: Subject: Oh well, it could be worse It has just occurred to me that some of the worst winter weather of the season is occurring precisely during what this university, and I believe many others, defines as Spring Break. Sort of in the great tradition of the cold- est night of Mark Twain's life being in July in San Francisco. At least this reduces the probability that the consequences of Global Warming are going to finally hit the world full force _this_ week. :-) Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1992 16:12:18 EST From: eperry@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: the seals are blamed again... Let me start by passing along hellos to everyone from Vickie. I received the Ecto SiG and HGP tapes late last week and have been enjoying them ever since. At first I thought that I would ask any fellow ectophiles who might be speaking with Vickie to pass along a message for me but I decided to do it myself. I was just too delighted with the tapes and had to let Vickie know. We had a great chat! She did say that she hopes to have her computer back from the computer hospital any day now (Are you out there yet Vickie?). Overall you folks picked some wonderful music for the HGP tapes. I was already familiar with some of the pieces and, like other ectophiles, have been madly compiling a 'get some music by' list based on the other pieces. It is also lots of fun to hear peoples' voices. [Now I've got voices to go with the names... :) ] There was one big surprise on the HGP tapes... Jorn chose a piece which I have been trying to track down for years now! Unfortunately I am still not sure what it is called - the opera piece which, as it happens, I first heard in the movie, _I Heard the Mermaids Singing_. Does anyone know if there is a soundtrack to that movie? Actually the tapes couldn't have arrived at a better time. I really needed a pick-me-up right now to relieve the stress at work (I have been working with seal for 10 years now)... As you may already know we, in Newfoundland, are in a very bad way at the moment. Most Newfoundlanders depend on fishing for their incomes and it has just been announced by the federal Fisheries scientists that the cod stocks are nearly depleted. Government officials are scrambling to find a *diplomatic* solution to what is an ecological problem. Depending on which official one listens to, the blame lies either with foreign offshore overfishing (primarily by Spain and Portugal) or the exploding seal population. The reason that I bring this up is that I am getting more and more frustrated by the situation. As usual, the seals are being blamed completely for a situation which involves many players. It is true that the harp seal population has exploded since the end of the large vessel hunt (1983). In 1990 the population was estimated to be 3 - 3.5 million and I think this is probably an underestimate! It is NOT true that the seals are competing directly with fisher(wo)men for the cod. They do compete *with* the cod for a particular prey item (capelin - a small smelt-like fish) and, therefore, probably do have some effect on the cod stocks. In an effort to deal with this situation, two possible solutions are being discussed: 1) a seal cull (which has Greenpeace ready to move) and 2) increasing the seal hunt effort (which has the British government ready for a boycott). What about the foreign offshore overfishing!?! My frustration stems from the interference that we are feeling from external uneducated (and often very righteous) sources. Many other countries are preparing to impose their own forms of punishment if our federal governement choses to focus on the seals but I have yet to hear how these countries are going to help reduce the foreign overfishing problem. Unfortunately, it is Newfoundland NOT Canada which will suffer and we are not getting the help that we soooo badly need. Argghhh! I could continue for screens on this topic but before someone thinks this lengthy message is from Mitch [ :) ] I'll get off the soapbox. Of course, if anyone wants to know more about the seal issue please ask... To the seal numbers, Beth "Absence makes the heart grow fungus." Barenaked Ladies ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)