Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1162 ecto, Number 1162 Thursday, 30 June 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* We are trained so well.... Jessica firewalled from her own list? future mama spottings, Crow, df Disappear fear Calling German ectophiles Re: Disappear fear re: Wrong Century-Vickie accidently deleted :-Onica Re: Disappear fear Dreams are... think about this... Re: woodstock's wrong century Re: milla and boingo Re: spotted at Ollsson's tonight Wrong Century (& SOS, for the heck of it) payperview etc. Re: accidently deleted :-Onica Re: Wrong Century (& SOS, for the heck of it) moon seven times Automatic Reply from EMS Re: PPV, Joyous Lake, WC & more Couple to watch for Re: Maryen Cairns Wrong Century Re: moon seven times Re: Wrong Century (& SOS, for the heck of it) Spin Doctors and such... ======================================================================== From: snpf@lucid.com (Sarah Noelle Pratt Ferguson) Subject: We are trained so well.... Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 13:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Wrt beauty. Yes, there are those of us who reinforce evil sexism. Fear is the root, fear of not being accepted? I'm a little confused though. I don't know any ugly people. Perception? mine? Ok. We each have our own eyes. A most recent post about men being attracted to beauty more than anything else... Regardless of gender. You have to think the person you're attracted to is beautiful (to yourself at the least). Unfortunately I find myself at least somewhat affected by other people's perceptions--but it doesn't matter if I know the person well. A male friend was saying how he is initially attracted to how someone looks. A female friend and I agreed about how it is personality which makes someone more attractive to us. It is socialization. In our society, it is more acceptable for a male to not fit the media image, to be old. It is the opposite for females. Only a narrow image is acceptable by the "media". Media does not represent real womyn. It is showing only young (no matter how old) painted anorexic (usually), hairless girl-children. I'm disgusted, andthuslyend. -seanympf ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 16:59:53 CDT From: Subject: Jessica firewalled from her own list? My post yesterday won me one of the same bounce messages that Anthony (I think it was) received, indicating the incapacity of the net to complete the handoff of ecto incoming to Our Founder. To add insult to injury, I sent the header to her to tip her off to what the list was going through, and got back a message that the latter missive had bounced in the exact same manner. Go figure. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 16:10:05 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: future mama spottings, Crow, df I just picked up the latest art house schedule, and found that in mid- September a film called Mizike Mama would be playing. It's a 1992 French documentary on Zap Mama. Start scouring the video stores and theaters VIckie! It also notes that they will be at the San Diego Street Scene that month, but gives no dates. I'm glad the note was there, because I need to plan a 10 day house/job hunting trip to Maryland that month, and would hate to miss it. So, can you actually not say "cum" on late night tv? That seems kind of surprising to me. Saw The Crow last night. While I was disappointed with the film, the Jane song over the final credits was amazing. I've gotta get that soundtrack now! And was that NIN song really done with New Order? (The credits went by kind of quickly.) After a few listens, I have to grudgingly report that I'm not particularly taken with the new disappear fear self titled album. As one of their biggest ecto cheerleaders, it's kind of hard for me to admit that. It is the first one of their discs where I haven't known all the songs based on repeated live performances, so I'm hoping my opinions will change. There are a few standout tracks, particularly "Be The One", but there are actually some pretty lame songs I don't much like at all! This was not the case on the previous discs. The music seems less rough and a lot glossier, and it starts off with a number of simplistic yet likable enough political songs. I always thought the relationship songs were their strongest suit, and there are some of those here. The way to long Reggae track is pretty unbearable for me though. Anybody else have this and have thoughts on it? (I think the fear list is in transit, so I haven't heard anything on what the net fearheads are thinking of it.) Apparently still cranky, Neal (but the new Toni CHilds really is great!) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 17:15:25 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Disappear fear HI, Neal C. writes: >After a few listens, I have to grudgingly report that I'm not >particularly taken with the new disappear fear self titled album. Hmm, maybe I shouldn't buy it right away then... Last night I put on deep soul diver, and was impressed with it once again. It is *so* good. There isn't a single throwaway track on that one, and the styles range from quasi-industrial folk (before SV's blood...) to beautiful early indigo girl-like harmonies, to nice harder folk/rock. Too bad that I will be over the atlantic when they take the stage in Berkeley. Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 17:38:00 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Calling German ectophiles Hi, Sorry to bother the entire list, but this is a way to get their attention... I will be in Frankfurt from 10:30 am to 8 pm on Sunday July 3rd, stuck there waiting for my connection to Athens and tired after a direct SFO-FRA flight. Any german ectophiles willing to meet at the airport and then do a quick tour of Frankfurt and buy some CDs?? Please contact me directly before Saturday if you're interested. Oh, and even if you can't make it, any tips on how to get to Frankfurt from the airport, and what to do/see in the time that I have, and where to go for CDs will also be appreciated. Danke Schoen, Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 17:38:29 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Disappear fear Gees, now I feel even worse. I've managed to kill one sale (so far!) for a band I have always been supportive of. Angelos, maybe you should buy the disc and give ecto your opinion. I have notably bad taste! (deep soul diver is a great album though, especially the title song. Maybe I'll put it on my HGP tape. I have Postcard from Texas from Live at the Bottom Line on it right now.) Neal who should be ignored more often ======================================================================== From: Cloudbust@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 20:56:19 EDT Subject: re: Wrong Century-Vickie Greetings all! On June 29, Vickie wrote >Anyone can interpret anything any way they want, but Happy herself said >that it is about a Native American male (to answer the question from >the Duchess) who is suddenly reincarnated (not a time machine, but not >regular reincarnation either...artistic license) into a modern day >male. Actually, that is the way I interpreted it (well, not the part about the Native American). Mostly due to some of the lyrics in Equipoise, particularly in "Play the Game" and "I Say". It appears, at least to me, that the theme of gender ambiguity/confusion/transfer pervades both songs. I may be way out of left field on this, but those observations led to my interpretation of "Wrong Century". (Keep in mind that "Equipoise" was my first exposure to Happy.) Regarding the Native American part, I had actually thought it was a man from either a primitive or underdeveloped culture suddenly located in a modern one. I did not consider Native American because I was unaware of that culture having the term "Angel" specifically, so I never made that connection. This is not to imply that I was dissecting the lyrical content, rather, the observation was one of those almost superficial impressions I occasionally get subconciously. Just an observation. Bob. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 18:19:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Lee West Subject: accidently deleted :-Onica Yes - accidently deleted. At about 12:45 last night (after watching Tori) I returned to the computer (which was being used by another) hoping to read the 1 plus pages worth of messages that had come in sinceGG`@ I was last on. Looked like about 30+ messages. Anyhow, I did notice (before deletion) that there were some messages to me in particular that were there. So...what I'm getting @ is...If anyone sent me a message between 5:00 and 12:30 pacific time on tuesday, June 28, please send it back to me, if you can, and sorry about not getting back to you, you now know my reason. In case you need a fresher, They may have been relating to Music/BEAUTY or my message praising and giving info on Danielle Dax and Amy Denio. I was/am sick about losing all these messages from whomever. I did notice WretchAwry (Vickie?) on a couple of them. Thanx OODLES!!! **00 -Onica (she who loves water) nijoh@teleport.COM Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-14400, N81) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 18:28:11 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Re: Disappear fear Neal C. writes: >Gees, now I feel even worse. I've managed to kill one sale Hey, I said I wouldn't buy it *right now*, didn't say I would not buy it at all! :-) So don't feel bad! I have become a disappear fear fan, so nothing could stop me from buying the album. Even if the consensus was that it sucked completely, I would probably buy it just to see why. Angelos (who's caused enough trouble for the day) PS. Same goes for Happy, Sinead, Kate, PG, TR, NIN and many others. I guess that once you're an addict of a musician's music, you can't trust others' opinions of their latest works. I would buy *anything* by my small clique of musicians whose CDs reside in a separate rack (in case of rapid evacuation of my apartment :-) ). Anything does not include CD singles with one bonus track tho. That's where I say enough! ;-) ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 13:38:47 +1200 Subject: Dreams are... Hullo all This doesn't have much relevance to anything really, but perhaps I'll throw something appropriate in at the end :) Anyways, I went through several years it seems where I rarely ever dreamed when asleep (that I have any recollection of), but for some reason I've started again recently... As often happens with these things, I don't usually remember what they were about when I wake (although the disturbing ones often linger: a few nights back I dreamed that Willow (the last of our three cats; she died earlier this year) had been bitten by a snake which I was told was upstairs on a rug... I went upstairs to look and there was a dark red snake about three or four feet long... then it had gone downstairs, and someone was trying to show me where it was so I could grab it, and they were pointing at it and I couldn't see it at all until it seemed to poke its head out from a shadow, and then I could see it faintly and so I grabbed it but it shook free of me and dropped to the floor, and so the other person picked it up and was holding it like one holds a cat... I think the dream ended about there...) Well last night I had a dream that Loreena McKennitt was singing to a a group of people which included me, although I don't know who they might have been... we were seated on benches attached to the inside wall of what might have been a restaurant or hotel room or some reasonably nicely decorated place, and she would sing each song to a section of people and then move along... I appeared to be at the far end of the line, and when she reached us she sang a song or part of one just to me (that's allowed to happen, because it was my dream :) although I don't recall what song it was, if indeed it was an actual song... I can recall having snakes mentioned to me not so very long ago (albeit briefly) in a conversation, and I think the last album I listened to before going to bed last night was "The Mask and Mirror" (although I read for an hour or two before going to sleep) but it's quite weird to suddenly begin having dreams again... (Well sleeping dreams at any rate... my mind wanders all over the place when I'm awake :) I guess I could claim relevance on the grounds that I mentioned Loreena :) Philip (never been on a roller-coaster in his life) _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 18:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Lee West Subject: think about this... I've been reading this mail about 'image' and what so and so thinks is beautiful. I see someone first bought a Kate album because they saw that she is beautiful. Well, on that, I think, glad she's lovely as well as talented 'cause the world needs to hear her! But, on the other hand, I wonder how many amazing, talented women (and men) we haven't heard because someone didn't think they were 15% prettier.?. Think about this. We need to not perpetuate this kind of sick judgement. -Onica nijoh@teleport.COM Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-14400, N81) ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: woodstock's wrong century Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 22:46:56 -0400 (EDT) meth thpeaketh: > Yes, women can generally hear tones of a higher frequency than men can. > For example, I can hear the high-pitched little whine emitted by television > sets and computer monitors when they're switched on, but every single male > I've pointed this out to has looked at me like I'm nuts. This physiological > difference has been proven in studies, but I don't think they've figured out > why yet. As usual, I land on the wrong side of this. I have two large monitors on my desk at work (a NEC Multisync and whateverthehell DEC puts on its DecStations) and not only do I hear the squeals from them, but I can hear the difference tones of the squeals. And of course everyone looks at me strangely when I mention this. (A semirelated anecdote: a few years ago, a coworker tried a personality test on me. She said that the results tracked with an almost entirely female personality, and that the results from her own test showed an almost entirely male personality. Of course, I fell head over heels for her B-]) > There are only two American male narrators alive at the moment, I think: the > guy who does PBS documentaries and the dude who does the Monster Truck > and major arena concert ads ("arrrrgh!"). They must be very rich, very hoarse > folks. A few years ago, the two top guys were Scott Muni (a DJ on WNEW-FM) and Mason Adams (best known for playing Lou Grant's boss (I think)). I don't know if they're still at it. ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: milla and boingo Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 22:57:34 -0400 (EDT) brni srmises: > on boingo: > i am always suspect when a band changes its name. it *always* comes > with a change in Image, and this is a concerted effort by the band or > by the record co to make the band something other than it is, for the > purposes of attracting money, i mean, consumers, i mean, listeners. > bands go thru natural changes, and the sound changes, and the style changes. Danny Elfman says (in an interview in Axcess): "We've just kind of considered ourselves Boingo for a decade now. We wanted to change our name to Boingo in '85, but our old record company [MCA] wouldn't let us -- something to do with record store bin cards." This album does sound different from the rest of their stuff -- I have the disconcerting feeling that it was made by a bunch of grownups. It's almost impossible to put on in the background. Elfman's reminding me more and more of Zappa, as he's one of the few people who can move between orchestral and rock music easily. (Actually, that's the Elfman/Bartek group mind, or whatever.) It's going to take a lot more listens before the album sinks in, but it feels to me like it'll be worth it. There are lots of ideas that I want to steal B-]. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 23:04:16 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (we are penguins) Subject: Re: spotted at Ollsson's tonight [i'm still catching up on email but figured that i'd reply to this note now instead of waiting for the klaus....] jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu sez: >The disc, on Chesky Records (Checky JD115) is proudly proclaimed to be of *bing* the memory circuits just fired in my brain. sometime before i moved in what? may? i received the latest latest chesky records newsletter and catalog which highlighted the rebecca pidgeon album. i've been so busy lately that i hadn't had time to order it yet (or the second sara k album which is also on chesky) nor tell ecto about it! mea culpa! >Anyway. Whilst searching through the discs, I found two, Two, TWO discs by >Magnetic Fields! I don't know that both are by the Magnetic Fields a >number of us know and love so well. yup, there are two recently-released magnetic fields albums. _holiday_ is one and _charm of the highway strip_. note that both of these albums are post-female vocalist and stephen merrit's singing voice may grate on some ears...especially those who don't go for male vocals at all. the music is pretty much the same though. i haven't picked up the latter yet but the former is good but underlistened to due to lack of time. +woj ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 23:25:56 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Wrong Century (& SOS, for the heck of it) Woah, NewBob has editor problems :) > On June 29, Vickie wrote > > >Anyone can interpret anything any way they want, but Happy herself said > >that it is about a Native American male (to answer the question from > >the Duchess) who is suddenly reincarnated (not a time machine, but not > >regular reincarnation either...artistic license) into a modern day > >male. ?!?^^^^?!? My original post said "woman" not "male" and I even skipped a line so it would be clearly seen. Where'd that come from? "...a modern day *woman*" is what the character is in "Wrong Century" - having been reincarnated from a Native American male. Just wanted to make it nice and crystal clear :). > Actually, that is the way I interpreted it (well, not the part about the > Native American). This is partly in answer to Sarah (affectionately known as "Duchess") which is still in my "to be answered" file (quite big *sigh*) but I'll kill 2 bir...(sorry Emily) amoebas with one stone. There's no particular reason that the pre-reincarnation character is Native American except that Happy herself is part Cherokee (as Tori is) and likes the culture. > Mostly due to some of the lyrics in Equipoise, > particularly in "Play the Game" and "I Say". It appears, at least to me, > that the theme of gender ambiguity/confusion/transfer pervades both songs. I > may be way out of left field on this, but those observations led to my > interpretation of "Wrong Century". (Keep in mind that "Equipoise" was my > first exposure to Happy.) I love the personal (warning, buzzword coming :)) affirmation of the songs PTG and IS. There are many songs throughout Happy's albums like that. It's a powerful (to me) balance between the depressed, scary, suicidal songs that Happy is more, ummm, "famous" for. > Regarding the Native American part, I had actually thought it was a man from > either a primitive or underdeveloped culture suddenly located in a modern > one. I did not consider Native American because I was unaware of that > culture having the term "Angel" specifically, so I never made that > connection. This is not to imply that I was dissecting the lyrical content, > rather, the observation was one of those almost superficial impressions I > occasionally get subconciously. Interesting. Since so many of Happy's songs deal with feelings, there are a lot of songs that one "gets" subconciously. Your post reminded me of that, though that's what drew me close to Happy's *lyrics and music* in the first place (as opposed to what first caught my ear, which was her Kate-ish high voice). "Angel" (artistic license again? Probably) I always worry about my "Happy says" posts, because most songs can have many different interpretations to the person listening to the song, based on their own experiences and viewpoints, and yes, feelings. I never mean for "Happy says" to be taken as "end of discussion" but it's a line to walk between what people think and what Happy *really* meant. "Wrong Century" and "Save Our Souls" tend to generate a lot of discussion and I think that in both cases, Happy would like for people to understand where her head was at when she wrote the lyrics. She's very interested in Native Americans and would want listeners to know that that's what she had in mind...to honor them. She's very interested in the concept of reincarnation and would want people to know that that's what was on her mind (while at the same time thinking that if some want to think of the "change" as a more scientifically-based time travel concept, that's ok), and is interested in the chaos of modern society and how we all, but women in particular, have to cope with it, and that's what she wants to get across. I'm not being clear, I don't think, but in essence....interpret however you want, but at least tuck away the knowledge of what she had in mind. "Not you, or her, can say who I am" ah... That's a disclaimer that I *can't speak* for Happy, and things I pass on are sometimes a mixture of things she said to me and my own feelings. Happy never *said* that she *wants listeners to know* this stuff. She told me what the song was about, some of her strong feelings about things like reincarnation and Native Americans, etc. and I turn around and pass on my feelings that Happy would want people to know. Hard to explain. You can see why "Happy says" is always a strange subject for me :) Unless it's in Happy's *own* words there is always going to be a filter. Btw, I'm not claiming to be the "her" in the song "I Say" but boyo, sometimes it feels like she's speaking to/about me. Like now :) As long as I'm digging an incoherent hole... When _Equipoise_ came out, there was an intense discussion about the song "Save Our Souls" and in this case, I *know* Happy wants her interpretation to be perfectly clear in eveyone's mind. The song has a streak of irony in it and sometimes it's not clear. Happy does believe in alien races. Happy does believe that the world has some major problems. Happy knows that *some* people want to find the aliens specifically so they can save our world. That's what the song is about. Happy *herself* believes that we have to save ourselves, and that it's folly to think that we can hope to be saved by an alien race. That's also what the song is about. Jeff posted about the song "Baby Don't Go" which seems to have 2 different characters. "Save Our Souls" has 2 different *points of view* though it is *so* subtle that it could be missed. The words "save our souls" is a plea from the first pov, and "pity our emptiness" is a sad statement about making the first statement, from the second pov. Any questions? :) Vickie (who hopes she hasn't confused anyone with her ramblings) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 23:26:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: payperview etc. Hi! I just heard on the news that a 12-year-old kid was killed by a pitch at Little League baseball practice in Brooklyn this afternoon. Gack. You never know, do you? :/ Well, you folks have convinced me that scientific studies are just a crock of you-know-what. :) Either that, or ectophiles are all somehow related to bats... Thanks, Vickie, for posting that Woodstock pay per view info! But are we sure that the coverage won't just be for the biggest names on the docket? >I bet you'll change your mind about Joyous Lake :-). I just bet. It's >really important, it'll be great to see her again in a small place before >she starts selling out huge theaters :), you'll want to see what kind of >shoes she wears, you'll want to see Kevin (swoon!) again and you'll want >to write about it all to Ecto and make those who couldn't go jealous as >hell. You want to go, you know you do. After all, you can go to work *any* >day...but how often can you see Happy live in concert? If you miss it, you'll >just be kicking yourself on down the line, especially once your current job >is but a mere, dim memory. You know I'm right :) You're evil, do you know that??? All right, all right. Okay, how far is this Joyous Lake place from New Haven, hm? My knowledge of local geography is abyssmal... >Anyone can interpret anything any way they want, but Happy herself said >that it is about a Native American male (to answer the question from >the Duchess) who is suddenly reincarnated (not a time machine, but not >regular reincarnation either...artistic license) into a modern day >woman. Whoa. Never heard that one. Makes sense, though I like my interpretation better, so pffft. :) Ah, ecto's first post has resurfaced once again. :) I was wondering where the ceremonial reposting of Note #1 was on June 18... Dennis opined: >I am sure she knew she ws planning to play Precious Things, in >particular because of the shorter length and the . Perhaps >she chose the song because she could play without the band and without the >weird piano effects. I'm sure that's part of the reason, but why not "Baker Baker" or "Pretty Good Year" or hell, even "Icicle", all of which she has at some point played on television? Why something not from her latest album? Is it part of some grand plan to make those who are just following TNBT (The Next Big Thing) aware of the fact that she has another album out there? >Since Cornflake Girl is played mostly from tape, the band would have >played along. ... like they did the last time she was on Letterman. For a fleeting moment, it looked as though Dave would actually speak with Tori on camera after she was done, but alas, it was not to be. He did get a Tori Hug (tm), though... bastard. :) I wonder why this was booked on such short notice, and with positively no advance publicity? 'Twas strange. (Did anyone else think Penelope Ann wossername was a total ditz? I'm not so keen on seeing _The Shadow_ now...) mjm noted: >While I'm here, I think Flying Dutchman (TA) is as Kate Bushy >a song as Tori has written. It reminds me of The Empty Bullring, >in content and lyrical approach. Some of Tori's B-sides that >I am just discovering now are purre brilliant songs. I mean, >just *really* inspired songwriting. Upside Down. Humpty Dumpty >(no idea what it means, but it's great!). Flying Dutchman. >Sister Janet. Honey. These are all at least as good as anything >on the albums. Maybe better. Yep, she's queen of the b-side, she is. I'm interested in why you think of "The Empty Bullring" when you hear "Flying Dutchman", though -- could you elaborate on this a bit more? Actually, my favorite Tori songs are b-sides: "Honey", "Upside Down", "Flying Dutchman", "Sugar"... sigh. And "Humpty Dumpty" is one of those that was basically written as it was recorded. Disgusting, isn't it? Which brings me to something I've been wondering about. Does Tori record the piano and vocals at the same time? If you listen to the beginning of "Icicle" through headphones, you can clearly hear Tori catching her breath in between phrases of the intro, and a microphone intended just to record the piano wouldn't be situated where it could pick up the sounds of her breathing. You can also hear similar breathing in "Yes, Anastasia". It would make sense for Tori to record both piano and vocal simultaneously, since that's the way she plays the songs the rest of the time, but I don't think anybody has ever asked her this. Anybody slated to interview Tori in the near future, or is an e-mail note to the Caldwells in order? :) seanympf floundered: >I'm a little confused though. I don't know any ugly people. >Perception? >mine? Probably your perception. If you know someone is beautiful on the inside, you don't give a shit what they look like. If this were only the norm of how people were perceived... >Only a narrow image is acceptable by the "media". Media does not >represent real womyn. It is showing only young (no matter how old) >painted anorexic (usually), hairless girl-children. Out of sick curiosity, I checked out the premiere of "Models, Inc." (the spin-off of Melrose Place, which was a spin-off of 90210) this evening. An entire television series based on supermodels, those superficial, anorexic icons who are supposed to be paragons of female beauty. Gag me with a spork. :P :P :P Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 23:33:06 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: accidently deleted :-Onica > > Yes - accidently deleted. At about 12:45 last night (after watching Tori) > I returned to the computer (which was being used by another) hoping to > read the 1 plus pages worth of messages that had come in sinceGG`@ > I was last on. Looked like about 30+ messages. Anyhow, I did notice I can send you the last two digests..if your mail file can handle 2 large files. Has anyone else sent Onica anything? If no, say nothing. If yes, let me know. We don't want to flood her :) > I did notice WretchAwry (Vickie?) on a couple of them. Yep, that's me...I walked on by :) Vickie "And the wretches have gone awry, I saw them walk on by..." HTR ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Wrong Century (& SOS, for the heck of it) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 23:45:53 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Vickie sez: >Jeff posted about the song "Baby Don't Go" which seems to have 2 different >characters. It _does_ have two characters. They just live in the same brain. ;-) >"Save Our Souls" has 2 different *points of view* though it >is *so* subtle that it could be missed. The words "save our souls" is >a plea from the first pov, and "pity our emptiness" is a sad statement >about making the first statement, from the second pov. Another song with two characters, easy to miss, is "Murder", from _Warpaint_. The mini dialogue is: "You cannnot defy their will" -- "But I'd rather die than kill." I remember one ectophile after the Philly concert commenting that they'd never heard it as two different speakers until they saw Happy and Kelly sing the lines to each other. It was way cool... Personally, I never found the irony in SOS to be all that hard to miss. The bit about "we'll give you a cable show," was just too funny to think Happy was serious about asking 'em to come down! Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 00:41:32 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (we are penguins) Subject: moon seven times jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu sez: >Area lost just one person from the band, but added a few more and reemerged >as Moon Seven Times. I'm glad they changed their name, but I don't think >many people would have faulted Lynn and Steve for holding onto the Area >name. well, when you consider that area was primarily steve jones' band and neither lynn's or henry's, the name change makes much sense. area pretty much self-destructed after _fragments of the morning_ so the transition from area to m7x wasn't waht i'd call continuous. +w ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 01:25:43 PDT From: "Debbie Levoy" Subject: Automatic Reply from EMS Hi -- I'm on vacation until July 11th. Please call Alan Launer for any Stanford business-related emergencies at: 415/725-1854. Thankyou! --Deborah Levoy ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 10:52:24 MET DST From: Albert Philipsen Subject: Re: PPV, Joyous Lake, WC & more Vickie wretchawrites (among other things): >Yep, Albert has it right. *HUG* You see, Albert always has it right. :-) Now, who's going to confirm my theory about the aliens? Albert, searching for infinite intelligence "I am the queen of the night, of all that's dark and deadly. I am older and wiser than this place, than all the towns and countries and shining cities in this pedestrian world." ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 10:15:52 +0100 From: bridgesm@logica.co.uk (Martin G Bridges) Subject: Couple to watch for Hi gang, Since I've picked up so many recommendations from you guys, thought I'd pass on a couple of my own. Last night I went to a Fish concert at the Mean Fiddler in London. Not exactly ecto-fodder I know, but the support was quite interesting. A female singer/songwriter by the name of Maryn Cairns (think I've spelt that right). I only caught a couple of songs, but she was definitely interesting. She's a Scottish Australian (!) with a very strong, Kate-ish voice. Very expressive face too. Apparently she has an album out - don't know the title or the label. It was a completely acoustic show, and I like those, so I suppose that spoilt me a bit. Anyway, she's probably worth checking out if you spot her down your way. For any London people, she'll be playing at the Orange club in Kensington next Tuesday, 5th July. If anyone goes, give me a shout coz I wouldn't mind seeing her again. Secondly, and this is a little less ecto-ish, picked up a CD yesterday by Sass Jordan. She's getting a lot of hype over here at the minute, but I don't know what her profile is like elsewhere. She's very Rawk 'n Roll, with a heavenly gravelly voice, and some nice bluesy songs. One song on the album features the Godfather of Funk, George Clinton, on backing vox. Supposedly George has described her as 'one bad ass bitch', which I suppose is a compliment! UK listeners will be pleased to know that the album is currently on sale at the special price of 9 pounds! OK, that's it from me for now. Take care all, Martin the BigGuy *------------------------------------------------------------------------* The above opinions are all mine:Martin Bridges Logica Space & Communications Ltd,Stephenson House, 67-87 Hampstead Road, London NW1 2PL, England. Tel: +44 (0)71-637 9111 Fax: +44 (0)71-383 0530. *------------------------------------------------------------------------* >>>.............I don't exist when you don't see me....................<<< ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 10:39:21 BST Subject: Re: Maryen Cairns Yay! Another Maryen Cairns fan. I've got her last album - can't remember the name (something like "The Pictures Within"). I even managed to pick up a copy for a friend for 2 quid in London (cheap place round the corner from Leicester Sq. tube). For some reason there's two different CDs floating around (same CD different cover). One is a black&white cover with Maryen looking like she's wearing a very bad curly blond wig. The other one is very pink! with Maryen having undergone a complete style change! ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 06:52:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Lovejoy Subject: Wrong Century Hi! Funny, when I first heard of Happy, I thought she _was_ a Native American! I mean, the album was named Warpaint, and I thought the name was Happy Roads, which could be up there with Flying Wind as a Native American kind of name. It did not diminish the impact of her music to learn the truth! Then again, WRT Wrong Century, I thought she was doing a feminist thing: Someone called her "girl" and she said no, it's "woman". Either way, count me among the song's admirers. Welcome back brni!!!! You were missed. Are you going to the Big Concert next month (Sarah, October Project)? We and all ectophiles attending should get together. I should write to dbx's classifieds and post a formal concert gathering notice. I hope I do! Talk to you all later. Bob the Lovejoy ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 22:57:22 +1200 Subject: Re: moon seven times Just a mildly amusing coincidence... woj wrote: > area pretty > much self-destructed after _fragments of the morning_ so the transition > from area to m7x wasn't waht i'd call continuous. And just as I read it, the words "we sat and watched as the moon rose for the very first time" came from my stereo :) Philip (those words from Dead Can Dance's "The Carnival is Over" off the album "Into The Labyrinth" for those who wondered) ======================================================================== From: Cloudbust@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 08:36:47 EDT Subject: Re: Wrong Century (& SOS, for the heck of it) Greetings all! Vickie, Yes, I goofed big time. It had been a long day. When I copied your paragraph I missed the last word, and when I manually typed "male" I had intended "female". Unfortunately, I was off in limbo somewhere. Sorry. Thanx for the clarification. Thanx also for the information. I had no idea Happy was part Cherokee. I also appreciate any insights into an artist's lyrics and frame of mind in a song. It is especially gratifying in a time when so few recording "artists" have an apparent mind for that frame, making Happy's songs all the more impressive! BTW, I also thought of the main character's situation in "Wrong Century" in a bit of a strange way. I thought of it as a sudden consciousness shift from one being from another, which presupposed two distinctly unconnected entities. Upon reflection, I warped that into more of a shift between lifetimes. Kind of like applying the idea of reincarnation to "Slaughterhouse Five" wherein Vonnegut's (sp?) character "skipped" back and forth randomly thoughout his own linear life/time. In the case of "Wrong Century" though, multiple life/times are involved. (Did that make any sense? I sometimes have difficulty explaining what I am think, even to myself!) I have always enjoyed the observations of the pompous, conceited human psyche portrayed in "Save Our Souls". I also believe alien races exist. This universe is far too large for them not to, and that "psyche" is evident in the idea that in all that expanse WE are the only sentient beings. I think about the idea of alien races with space travel ability and wonder if they would even bother with us, or would they consider us spoiled little whiny children and ignore us until we grow up? I believe that any species that can achieve viable intergalactic space travel must have surpassed some serious intercultural hurdles to acquire the harmony necessary to devote to the vast research and development of such an ability. Of course, this is a subjective view. OK, I think I am rambling again. Anyway, thanx again and I apologize for any confusion my typo may have caused. Bob. ======================================================================== From: Chad Edward Lundgren Subject: Spin Doctors and such... Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 09:49:18 -0500 (CDT) 'Lo all, Being a lurker, it is rare that I make a contribution to the mailing list (lucky you). However, I have found an easy way to contribute causing minimal embarrassment (intentionally misspelled because I'm not sure of the proper spelling ;) and with as little effort as I am capable of putting forth (which, for people who don't really know me well, is not a lot at all). Yes, for those of you watching at home, I have gone overboard with the parentheses (I just don't have the inclination to stop using them). So, without further ado, let me introduce you to the brainy (cerebral) person locked inside my head (thought cage?) (btb, there are about fifty people locked inside my head. Although one is due for release in less than a week.). Here's me. Thank you for the lovely introduction. Anyhow, someone posted about Spin Doctor's song Cleopatra's Cat (great song by the way). Stop it! You've had your turn! It's my turn now! Sorry. The album is great, as are the songs. Here are the lyrics to Cleopatra's Cat... Cleopatra's Cat -------------------- Cleopatra's favorite cat Got his hands on Caesar's spats The heat was on as you could see So he front 'em to Mark Antony Said, "My girlfriend's cat is smarter than me." Caesar had an eye for clothes He saw them spats and said, "I like those." Caesar had no thing to say, except, "Jesu Christi Domine, Et tu, Brute, Jesu Christi Domine, Et tu, Brute." The senate tried to sympathize It was the cat they should despise Informant told his whereabouts Centurions to seek him out Centurions! There go the centurions. Brutus had to turn his head When that cat done went and said, "If he's got this thing for shoes, He just might be ambitious too. They got holidays all in his name, And all a tyrant needs is fame. Those fascists don't play pretty games Egypt is the place to be... But Rome is a democracy. Rome!" Caesar never got them back 'Cause they killed his ass in the second act Brutus speaks, then Antony: Said, "My girlfriend's cat is smarter than me. Friends, Romans can't you see My girlfriend's cat is smarter than me Egypt's biggest rivalry: Cleopatra's cat and me." There you have it. I just want to mention one thing before I go. The new STP album is not a bad listen, but the last track, the hidden track after "Kitchenware and Candy Bars", is absolutely hilarious. Chad A testament to the effects of four hours sleep and a bad case of terminal boredom can do to a person. (Oh face it. You have no life.) You just go away!!! ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)